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Emanuel
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Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 06:14 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If you missed it check out this very good interview of Cornel West on AALBC.com here:
http://reviews.aalbc.com/cornel_west.htm

I love that Dr. West addresses how a black president does not mean racism has ended and everything is ok.
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Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 09:16 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

****I love that Dr. West addresses how a black president does not mean racism has ended and everything is ok.****

This NEEDED to be addressed. You'd be amazed how many people think that having a black president is the end all be all to all problems that black men, women, and children, face because of the color of our skin. While I will admit that ONE huge barrier was torn down, a kajillion other barriers, tangible and intangible STILL have yet to be overcome.

Trust, when all is said and done, to some he will just be considered another "magic negro" who was somehow "better than" and not like the rest of "them".
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Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 11:44 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

West should give black people credit for not being naive about race after all of these centuries. I have yet to encounter one black person young or old who thinks Obama's election means that racial prejudice has disappeared.

It's also obvious from Obama's cabinet picks that only the upper echelon of blacks will be entrusted with any responsibility in running the country and even these high achievers are in the minority.

Obama is only as powerful as Congress will allow him to be, and as of yesterday, there is only one black senator.
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Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 12:16 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I might add that Kam Williams is the one who is naive. Anybody who thinks politics is about idealism instead of pragmatism is living in a dream world. I always got the impression that Kam is one of those fair-skinned brothers who has a need to bend over backwards to prove how black and radical he is.
Needless to say that Cornel West, in all of his wisdom, does bring broad perspective to the issues.
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Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 12:32 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hahahah! Kam Williams really yanked your chain with that one, eh Nique.

Poor baby!
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Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 01:37 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kam yanked my chain??? What are you talking about? I didn't have Obama on a pedestal when it came to his presidential aspirations or do I now have unrealistic hopes for his upcoming performance as president. I'm aware that he will be hard-pressed to make headway in curing the nation's ills.

People like you and Kam are the ones who lose control of your bladder at the thought of the new administration having a Clintonesque vibe.
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Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 01:49 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynique, you just got to admit Kam Williams is the MASTER!
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Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 02:05 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Master of what, chrishayden? What it is that you are spazzing about when it comes to Kam?

Actually, as far as Obama is concerned, Kam seems to have thrown himself in a league with the likes of Shelby Steele and Thomas Sowell. And you.
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Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 04:35 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hello

First, let me say I truly respect Cornel West. I think he is a mans man. He's fair, he's not affraid to speak the truth and he's just good people. Having said that, his opinion is still "only" his based on his own perspective. That's to say, it doesn't mean that what he said is right.

After reading the interview, I agreed with much of what he said. However I would also disagree on some issues. For instance, it was a popular opinion that Obama threw the Rev. Jeffrey Wright, under the bus. I do not agree with that sentiment. Also, on the Hillary Clinton issue, I think he was sort of hedging his bet. He didn't say he didn't think she was a good pick. He simply said that he thought Obama should "come of age".

Obama sits on a slippery slope. For years blacks have been crying for "the best man for the job". Now that he is using his judgement to pick the best individuals for the job, many are crying for black faces.

I am also so tired of people saying that most blacks think things are going to instantly change. What I want to know is who the hell is thinking that way.

Cornel West is the man. I even like his music taste.

I didn't see where Kam or Mr. West said or did anything wrong. I might have disagreed with a few things but I think it was a respectful interview.
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**West should give black people credit for not being naive about race after all of these centuries. I have yet to encounter one black person young or old who thinks Obama's election means that racial prejudice has disappeared.**

Actually it was the talking heads on the Fox Network who said that if Obama wins black people have no more excuses...
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Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 08:42 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yeah, this discussion is not really on point. Everytbody just weighed in with random opinions.
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Posted on Friday, January 16, 2009 - 10:06 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Actually it was the talking heads on the Fox Network who said that if Obama wins black people have no more excuses...

I remember hearing Bill Bennett say this on CNN on election night, just moments after the election was called for Obama, and all the commentators were asked for their reactions. He was so stunned, I thought he was going to cry. And not tears of joy.

What he said that night is quoted in this Color Lines article that talks about the election as referendum on race/racism:

http://colorlines.com/article.php?ID=478&p=1
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Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 11:12 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

For instance, it was a popular opinion that Obama threw the Rev. Jeffrey Wright, under the bus. I do not agree with that sentiment.

(No sentiment. It's fact. Wright, however, gave him no choice)

Now that he is using his judgement to pick the best individuals for the job, many are crying for black faces.

(Any black person who does not plan to move on to lobbying after the firt two years is a glutton for punishment.

Obama is about to get the Dinkins treatment. Maybe he can do better)
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Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 12:16 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

No disrespect to either Kam Williams or Dr. West. But I couldn't finish reading the whole interview. One thing Black intellectuals are going to have to do in this so-called "age of Obama" is to figure out what their place is in it. Some of the old rhetoric is just not going to cut it--all sorts of folks, of every stripe, just aren't having it.

It is especially interesting to me how Black intellectuals who have found their place in elite majority White institutions tend to sometimes disparage how Obama has succeeded in a (for now) majority White nation. Do they really think that they (unlike, presumably, Obama) have become successful in spite of being radically Black? No, they have succeeded because they were radically Black--they have been "allowed" to be who they are in order to add a little flavor and "diversity of thought" to the university culture. The fact of their being there is not a revolutionary act at all.
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Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 12:50 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Very true, Yvette! What I found amusing was Kam Williams' attempt to shock the audience by declaring that he agreed with the Reverend Wright's condemnation of America, a rant that was straight out of the 1960s. It was like all of Wright's tired rhetoric was something new and daring.

And people do tend to regard Cornel West as a sacro sanct black icon, probably because he is so adept at mesmerizing his admirers with those intellectual spiels that leave listeners lost in a maze of words.

Like you say, West is just a propped-up example of the resident black radical that all Ivy League colleges have scrambled to add to their faculties in order to give the impresssion that they promote academic freedom.
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Yup, Cynique. I wonder if some of these folks, in their quiet personal moments, do not acknowledge the possibility that by taking a pay check from these institutions they have sold out? Perhaps they labor under the impression that they are "working the system from the inside" or something..."using the master's tools against him" or some such.

Now really, this is not a critique. We all do what we must do. Why shouldn't revolutionaries want food o their tables, a roof over their heads and clothes on their back--even good food, roofs and clothes?
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Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 01:48 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

FK, the article you linked reminds me of a story that came out during the election. If I recall correctly, a young White woman was canvasing door-to-door for the Obama campaign and came to the home of an older White woman. She asked the woman if she had decided who she'd be voting for in the upcoming election. The woman shouted back into the house to her husband, asking him who "we" were voting for. The husband shouted back, "We're voting for the n*****." The woman reportedly turned back to the canvasser, with a smile on her face and just as pleasant as you please, replied, "We're voting for the n*****."

No. Racism is not dead. It just has--and always has had--a very pragmatic side.
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Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 02:11 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yvette,

I would even argue that they are not "radical."

Marcus Garvey was radical.
Malcolm X was radical.
Nat Turner was radical.

Cornel West is a debater.

If you look at his personal life and
look at his writings (all of which I
have read)---he's done exactly what
Toni Morrison pointed out about
Ralph Ellison's book "Invisible Man."

That is what John Edgar Wideman,
Jesse Jackson, Cornel and all of
them do.

One of the reasons I admire and
become a close friend with Derrick Bell
("Faces At the Bottom of the Well,"
"And We Are Not Saved") is that he
had such a RADICAL and honest
view of the racial situation in
this country---almost identical
to my own (but with an "academic"
tone). His argument about the
"permanence of race" is the most
sensible, logical, clear-minded
and truthful revelation, even if
it's not what the world wants to hear.

I've always had a personal beef
with the fact that Cornel West
makes a 6 figure salary teaching
and has been to Europe and Ethiopia
(where he found a non-black Ethiopian
woman to marry in the midst of his
rantings)
....but has never set foot in WEST
AFRICA--the land of these ancestors
that he's always pulling out of the
air to talk about.

I recently castrated Ronoko Rashidi
about the same thing.

Why do so many of these SCHOLARS
of the "Wide Nose" always pay big
money to lounge around in pencil-nosed
Ethiopia and Egypt?

I love and cherish Barack Obama more than any
of the "radicals" you mentioned.







Obama is my first Male Leader since Malcolm.

I never would have took orders from those
other losers--including Farrakhan.










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Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 04:21 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The above posts are a fine example why I love visting this board. It's rich with intelligent individuals with excellent writing skills. Individuals, that, are for the most part unaffraid to express their opinions.

I think I was feeling Yvettes post. I didn't want to bash Cornel West, and I will not do that now. Yet, I did not think he spoke for all of us. As others have mentioned, his viewpoint is shaped from a different perspective than the majority of us. Therefore I aquired a small resentment and wanted to say, "how dare you".

Again, I agreed with many of his opinions, yet, other caused me to pause.

I am in agreement with Kola in saying that Obama has reached a level of respect with me that puts him in the company of Malcolm X, Dr. King, Thurgood Marshall and yes Louis Farrakan. Now of course they all bring a different flavor but they all have tapped my pleasure zone.

Someone, I beleive Kola, hit on something I had never considered. I knew I liked Cornel West but I never questioned why. He's a great debator. Iam not saying that in a negative way. I am simply saying I like the way he forms his words and delivers them in a concise manner.

I said that I did't believe Rev. Wright was thrown underneath the bus. Okay, that phrase is generally used to say "fk him, I never liked him in the first place". In saying I do not agree that Obama threw Rev Wright away, like a dirty dish-rag, I simply believe we have to look at the reasons "he", Obama gave in his decision to move away from him. . He didn't say he didn't like the man and thus, threw him under the bus, in essense, trying to kill him. Therefore, regardless of what some "think" or how they use the phrase, it will always remain an opinion and NOT a fact.

Although I said I thought the interview was respectful, I felt a sense of someone talking down to me in a patronizing way.
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Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 04:42 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Carey,

I don't think Rev. Wright was
thrown under the bus either.

If anything, he BEGGED to have
his ass ran over.

GOD how Rev. Wright reminds
me of me!

For though I felt his sayings
were DEAD ON and True---

---I did not feel that "the
truth" alone should be allowed
to suppress and sabotage a
larger PRIORITY...that of
Barack Obama, our collective
HOPE-monger,
taking the White House.

I don't see Barack as a
Black man (to me, he is a
Half-Caste African);
I don't see him
as a "Black leader"

---but from a Sociological
standpoint, I feel that there
is absolutely nothing better
that could have happened
for Black America or AFRICA
than to have him rise up
and affirm us.

He does it very well and I
feel EXTRAORDINARY PRIDE in
both him and Michelle.

In my mind, he is a superior
new and improved
version of the BILL CLINTON
model that we liked
with a new and improved
Wife.

He was also better than any of
the Whites seeking the position.

AND...most important to a Cushitic
person

He has GOD's Hair; the Proof;
the Crown.

I just absolutely cherish him.

And yes, Cynique--that includes
his wonderful White mother.

(Not that I remotely dislike White people
for being "White" as so many
folks---not you Cynique--wrongly
assume just because I criticized
them and don't wish to be one of
them.

You can truly love White People and not want
yourself or your children to be one--
and they don't seem to understand that.

They're just as welcome at my table as
anybody else--as long as I'm doing the
cooking.
And I DO love White people.)






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Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 05:00 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That was exactly my point, Kola. He was not thrown underneathe the bus, it got in the way of the bus.

Check this, (within, 75 words or less :-)) why do you feel that you have to tell us that Obama is not a black man. I know your reasoning but why do you think we need to hear that and what do you think is the mindset of most, if not all blacks born in America, when they here you say that. Can you see that that opinion can only serves to distance yourself from others that you may wish to hear what you have to say and respect your opinion? You could say that you could care less about what others think of you but that would be a sign of a serious case of denial. Why do you think it's important for us to hear that. I am not being critical, I am trying to feel the women - Kola.

Remember, 75 words or less *lol*.
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why do you feel that you
have to tell us that Obama is
not a black man



Why do you feel that you have
to keep telling Americans that he is?




My love and support of OBAMA is NOT
for Black America's reasons...

THAT CAREY,
was the context of my comment.

In fact---without Michelle, who IS
Black, I may not have been as
enthusiastic about him.

Also, in a racist White nation that
disrespectfully claims" Black people
are so inferior that just anybody can
be one...
"

...like many Africans, I feel a very
strong need to rebuke the implications
of such racist Plantation-era Camelshitt.

On Tuesday, when Tiger Woods speaks
at the Inauguaration, he will speak of
how proud he is that a "multi-racial"
person is the President of America.

Obama's African grandmother, Sarah,
who comes from a nation (KENYA) and
a Family that considers Obama "Half-Caste"
will speak about why she's proud that
HER GRAND-BABY,an AFRICAN and a Luo
tribe member is President of the United
States.

Michelle Obama, a Black woman from
CHICAGO, will express her pride in her
"Black husband."

So you see...the world is getting smaller.

And each type of person who speaks...will
speak for themselves.







within, 75 words or less


Carey, as I once told a newspaper
editor

"I'm a Writer;

---not a Word Processor.
"

And on "message boards"---I SPEAK--I
don't really write.

ONE THING I can guarantee you is
that when most people read the first
2 lines of anything I write--

they find that they can't stop reading
until they finish what I'm saying.

People write me telling me that all
the time.


Whatever the case, I won't be stopping
my train of thought to count my words, love. :-)





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Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 06:25 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Okay Kola, I gotcha.

I hope you know I said the 75 word thang is jest, love, because as you know I can run on about most thangs without the fine sentence structure that you display.

I am a talker and I write like I talk. I love running my mouth :-).

So baby, hit us with your best shot. Now if you were my lady I could simply tell you to shut up and sit yo' ass down *lol*. Now that's not to say that you would but you know what I am saying.

And, like I've told others, if you don't like what I am saying, it's only a click away.

So Miss 4 times double X, D's, carry on.
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Carey,

I love you, too, handsome. :-)

And for those who never saw the
photos--you ARE seriously handsome.




Now if you were my lady I could simply tell you to shut up and sit yo' ass down



Wanna know something funny?

Only online do I do a lot of talking.

It's like an outlet for me.

I live so secluded and I'm so boring.

I'm single right now, but when I do have
a Man, I have a "set time" when I talk with
him (usually very late at night
AFTER we just made love or fuckked--which
ever ritual we did THAT night).

I do a lot of cooking and unless my sons
are home--which most of the day they're not
--I don't EVER speak.

If a girlfriend calls on the phone

WATCH OUT

That's when you can't shut me up. :-)



But Carey,

You would be SHOCKED to discover that
no man who has ever been with me has
ever complained about me "talking a lot."

ASK TROY JOHNSON!

Remember he met me at the party?

He can tell you that I
smile, laugh and nod a lot.

When I talk...I usually am really
saying something.

I don't just talk for talking sake.

I'm also extremely funny in group
settings.

Or so people claim.







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Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2009 - 06:54 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh goodness I think I'm going to get SICK!
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Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 04:13 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well Thump, If that post made you ill, I don't know what to tell you but THERE WAS A TIME!


Eat your heart out Thump.


Memories\

And a time

Don't Hate The Players *LOL*
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Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 05:28 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You shole is lookin' good! Youse a bona fide dime piece in your silky silky soul singer suit. Mmmmmmmmmhmmmmmp! Who you trynna catch? Betchu gots on some silky draws too! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!

I'm just teasin' Mr. Carey! Don't come back with nothin' nasty now! AHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHA!
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Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 05:42 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

UGH!

European days.

Carey, you're just as bad
as GOOGLE IMAGES

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&fkt=2687&fsdt=6156&q=Kola%20Boof&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

LOL! :-)


Carey, that's not even the photo
of you that I was talking about (BIG GRIN).

But anyway, I LOVE lavender and you're
looking FINE as hell smooth as glass, daddy!

You know, LAMBD and I chat a lot
through email and he never stops
teasing me about those awful "16 mms"
photos (I'm pregnant with Wombe in the one
you posted, you know).

I do have to say that between you,
LAMBD, NELS, Chris Hayden, and of
course....

"BIG DADDY" and "KING OF KINGS"

ABM

(bowing ABM)....

I owe the men of AALBC.COM a lot of
gratitude.

You guys have been so kind to me
through many painful years.

you always caught my falling star...

Thank you so much.






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Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 05:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You betcha, how'd ya know, silky leopard wife beater with draws to match :-). I ain't even going to talk about the socks and shoes. You don't know nothing about that.

Keep it up, I still have that picture that you sent me years ago. I'm just teasin'

OR .....should I pull out the one from that one night *wink*. oooouuuu weeeeeee, I better go take a cold shower.

OH NO! Philly just took the lead.
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Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 05:56 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

^^^^^^^^^^ for A_womon.
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Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 05:57 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA! YEAH ok! I gotcha BOSS!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Sh*t is FUNNY AS HELL!!!
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Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 06:10 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Carey I just sent it. :-)
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Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 06:12 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

*WINK* LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
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Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 08:18 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I ain't even going to talk about the socks and shoes. You don't know nothing about that.

Okay, Carey. You just gave me a flashback. In the early '90s, my mom (God rest her) sent my then-husband some dress socks that were so thin, he put them on and immediately got a RUN in them.

I called them "pimp socks." ;-)
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Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 08:30 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

LOLOLOL @ Ferociouskitty's pimp socks!!!
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Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 08:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What????

I don't know what yawl are laughing about. That's what they were called. Thick & Thin pimp socks. What, I had them in every color :-). Please, I am lucky that yawl can't see the shoes; baby blue patent leather *lol* ...for real.
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Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 09:07 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Gators, Carey??!?!??!?!?

Lawdamercy...
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Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 09:20 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Carey, post some other ones.

I loved the ones you sent me
from before.

If I hadn't lost them while
changing PCs I'd post them
myself.

You and LAMBD both are
cutie pies.

I wish I could meet
ABM in person--not that
I honestly care what he
looks like.

Remember the time his WIFE
came on here to scalp me?

LOL!

That ended me meeting ABM
in Chicago. :-)

Meeting and having LAMBD as
my bodyguard for BOTH Wash. D.C.
book signings was so much fun,
though.


Carey---post them!















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Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2009 - 09:49 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ferociouskitty,

Do you know Mochascafe's FB name? If so could you hit me up on FB and let me know? Thanks!

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