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Troy
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 09:06 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He is Black and that is all I care about period.

I don't give a crap if he has funny colored lips, a white mother, and African Father.

I don't give a sh-t if he went to Harvard and has little in common with your typpical African American, including myself.

I don't care if some Black people say that if Obama is so popular amoung white people that he must be bad for Black people -- F'em!

I don't care how little experience Obama has in polictics. I'm sure he is smart enough to surround himself with people who are smarter than he is on the important subject matters. Besides, can he be any worse than the due in the position now?

I don't care what anyone says. I don't care about any of the dirt the Clinton campaign will dig up. I don't care.

I don't care what any of the other so called Negros, who are in bed with Barack's opponents, say. I'm still viting for Obama. I'm even registering as a democrat just so I can vote in the primary.

I don't care if this is completely irrational. I really don't. I want a Black man in the white house. I want little Black boys to believe it when someone says, "you can be anything you want to be -- even president of the United States".

I do care that is why I'm voting for Obama.

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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 09:57 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Troy,

DITTO! And SCREW what everyone else thinks!

HAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 10:03 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm voting for the best (wo)man for the Job.


As far as 2008 and this issue is concerned...I'm "colorblind."


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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 11:39 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tonya,

We never REALLY know who's "the best (wo)man for the Job" of being president until YEARS after they've taken the oath of the office.

And even THEN, the shyt can be iffy.


Tonya. Why don't you be honest and admit you'd RATHER vote for anyone other than a Black man, be he of African or American extraction?
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 11:43 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He is Black and that is all I care about period.

(I can't believe you can post this. Would you support him if his name was Joe Willie and he lived in Brooklyn and had gold teefus and wore his pants sagging?

Of course not. You are not supporting him because he is black. You are supporting him because he is black and he is a "better class of Negro"--he went to Harvard and was editor of the Law Review and he is so well spoken and clean--

None of these things, by the way, means squat as to whether he is fit to be President.

He is not.)


I don't care if some Black people say that if Obama is so popular amoung white people that he must be bad for Black people -- F'em!

(What if they are right? It makes no difference if this Negro would order you and your family into the cattle cars for the last ride to the death camps as long as he is black and went to Harvard?
You are better than this, man. Take a chill pill and think)


I don't care if this is completely irrational. I really don't. I want a Black man in the white house. I want little Black boys to believe it when someone says, "you can be anything you want to be -- even president of the United States".

(Of course, this is bs. on several counts.
For one thing, unless you have 200 million dollars and you are acceptable to the group that really runs this nation, The Military/Industrial/Political/Financial/Intellligence Complex, you cannot even think about running for President.

How many little black boys and girls will this describe?

Secondly, though to powerless negroes shivering over their keyboards and worrying about the rent the President is nothing more than a glorified orphan boy for these people and people in the Media, the Religious establishment, and the oil industry.

I cannot believe the 21st Century has dawned and Negroes are still thinking like this.

The day a Negro sits in that White House, most Negroes in this country will come to rue the day.

But don't get excited.

He will not even be on the ballot.

This is just a thang, like Jessie Jackson did in 1988, to get black folks excited and registered and voting for whoever the real (white) candidate is.

Sit down. Take some deep breaths and realize where you are and what time it is.
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 11:55 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

well i know for me its not about him being a black man.

i would seriously like to vote for him because i would like a black in office but then i dont know if we can trust him just yet...alot of people get in office and make a complete turn around once elected. ...plus there is not enough known about him....

foreigners dont usually understand the plight of african americans....they are usually conservative in their views on racism and think most things in this country are peaches and creame when it comes to race. they usually think blacks omplain too much. ....at least i know what hillary is all about and i KNOW what she will do for blacks and the downtrodden..we need hillary to get things back right again.

now if i knew what obama was really about and knew for sure that he understood what's needed to level the playing firled in terms of blacks i would vote for him.if i had experience with him i would probably vote for him
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 11:56 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Misty,

You're going to trust WHITE foks to do more for Blacks than you would a Black man who, by both his record AND his rhetoric, has been a active/faithful supporter and contributor to Black people and causes?

What the hell has Hillary Clinton done for Blacks other then shake them down for votes and use them to build her and Bill's profile and standing?
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 11:58 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Besides, you already had a Black Man in the White House (at least that's what Toni Morrison said) and he double crossed all his friends and couldn't keep it in his pants in the Oval Office.

The country has had enough.
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 12:18 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hillary leans farther to the left....if you listen to obama's speeches he leans farther right than hillary...he is a bit too conservative for me (and he may be even more conservative in his views than he lets on to be being that he's foreign).

plus ask yourself why so many whites like him and think they can trust him?

hillary on the other hand...whites despise her because she's ultra liberal and she stands for everything most whites are against. which is helping the black, the poor, the woman and the down trodden

she was basically the brains behind bill clinton...when they were in office the budget was nearly balanced and minimum wage was higher. that mainly affected black people....interest rates were lower (which again affects blacks and the poor in a more positive way)...they also fixed it to where blacks would get a failry decent job and not jsut spend their entire lives on welfare. when there were in office there was more money going towards social programs to help black youth and the poor. it took bush less than a year to destroy all of that.
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 12:19 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

hillary was way more radical than bill clinton
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 12:21 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

whoever whites despise the most is usually your biggest ally
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 12:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Abm,


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Tonya. Why don't you be honest and admit you'd RATHER vote for anyone other than a Black man, be he of African or American extraction?




Ah, nah, bruh…we're gonna get this thing real right now cuz youze a liar.


SHOW ME A BLACK MAN!!!...

(I mean one with true convictions that I believe in.)

...I BET I'D MAKE A LAIR OUT OF YOU RIGHT NOW.

Infact had A BLACK MAN ever made a run for office, I could have made a liar out of you long ago...

For now, tho, since some serious bred and butter issues are at stake, I couldn't care less about making a liar out of you or anyone else. Sorry if this hurts your feelings. Though it’s been a long time since a Black man or white man running for office have worried about my feelings getting hurt.

...And THAT THERE is the way it really is my brother.
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 12:53 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Troy I think it is cool you are voting for Obama. Reason being, your comment about you 'not caring tat he went to Harvard'. These are the blacks we should be supporting, the ones who did well. So young black men and boys can look up to these men and aspire to emulate them.

LOL, I am FREAKED OUT by Obama's lips though. They frighten me.
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 12:57 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"(What if they are right? It makes no difference if this Negro would order you and your family into the cattle cars for the last ride to the death camps as long as he is black and went to Harvard?"



i agree......that's what got clarence thomas where he is today just so he could get up there and be harder and more cold-blooded towards his own people than alot of white folks..
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 12:57 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hillary and Bill Clinton:

Ask Ricky Ray Rector, Lani Guineer, Sistah Soljah, Jocelyn Elders, Deval Patrick, Ron Brown--oop! Can't. They bumped him off, didn't they?
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 12:58 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Chrishayden offers a very good rebuttal to Troy's blanket endorsement of Obama. Were I a romantic, I would be asking myself if the stars came together in a fortuitous pattern at the moment of Obama's birth? Is he an idea whose time has come? Is his ascendency his destiny - or his doom? And is there some kind of poetic justice in a man of African descent with a Muslim name mesmerizing white America? The whole situation has dramatic Shakespearean overtones and there is a certain relevancy in the quote from Julius Caesar, which reads: "There is a tide in the affairs of men, which taken at the flood, leads on to fortune; Omitted, all the voyage of their life is bound by shallows and in misery." And of course there's the more familar observation about "how the man can make the office, or the office can make the man". Alas, - I remain undecided. I'm awaiting a sign from the gods. In the meantime good luck, Barak, in kicking the cigarette habit.
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"(What if they are right? It makes no difference if this Negro would order you and your family into the cattle cars for the last ride to the death camps as long as he is black and went to Harvard?"



i agree......that's what got clarence thomas where he is today just so he could get up there and be harder and more cold-blooded towards his own people than alot of white folks..

(Say it again.

Maybe if they keep kicking Colored Folks in the butt one day the message will reach their brains
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 12:59 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynique:

Sometimes you amaze me.
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 01:15 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


Troy - I love your passion, but you are putting the cart before the horse. Obviously you can't vote for Obama if he doesn't run. First he has to run, then he must gain the Dem's nomination, then you can cast your vote for him as your next POTUS.

I haven't made up my mind. But I found out something very negative and disturbing about Obama in the past couple of days - he is a smoker and I'm not down with that. As a matter of fact, I do NOT associate with anyone who smokes those nasty ass cigarettes (the smell makes me ill) and I don't think I would vote for someone who smokes. I don't believe that anyone who loves themselves and their children would even put a cigarette to their mouth. Plus it demonstrates to me a lack of self-discipline.

And I don't know if I'd vote for someone simply because they are Black. That seems too much like the blind leading the blind. My candidate would actually require some substance. Not just skin tone.



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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 01:19 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Chris:


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Cynique: Sometimes you amaze me.




Damn, me too. And I agree with her. Your post was right on the money!
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 01:40 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

After the pathetic showing of the Senate this week, all Senators are off the table far as I am concerned.

There are no more Mr. Smiths!

Bring on the Generals and Admirals.
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 01:43 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do you ALL even KNOW Obama's record as a federal and IL State legislature, as an community activist and organizer, particularly with respect to how it benefits foks like yourself?

Are you going to at least ATTEMPT to divine such?

Or have you already - BEFORE the campaigning begins in earnest - reached the conclusion that because he's just another evil Black man (one who has a very Black wife and daughters, btw) who, by genetic coding, is pathologically incapable of thinking and acting in concert with the better interests of yours and people like you?


By every standard of measurement - INCLUDING those of the GOP - Obama's been a most PROGRESSIVE lawmaker and advocate. And to presume he'd suddenly become something else would also require you to ALSO disbelieve the predictability of the record and promises that his COMPETITORS present and assert (and that INCLUDES those of your favored so-called nikka-loving Hillary Clinton).
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 01:45 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Maybe if they keep kicking Colored Folks in the butt one day the message will reach their brains

And what message would that be?

How about the one about the crab fisherman who never needs to put a cover over the barrel...he knows no crab will ever get to the top because all of them will just keep pulling each other back down.

I encourage all of you who think Obama is some sort of closet Clarence Thomas to continue to do your research. I doubt you will think that when you read his books, go over his voting record, listen to his speeches. I hope you are sincere in finding out more about his potential candidacy. I hope you will apply these same standards to and be equally suspicious of any other candidate.

Afterall, the last thing we need in this day and age is a bad case of crabs (heh-heh LOL)
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 01:48 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Such hyperbole; such rabidly inaccurate accusations. People are, after all, entitled to wait and see before they make up their minds about who they vote for. Are you familiar with the voting record of John Edwards, ABM??
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 01:55 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yvettep,

Can you believe these people?

Obama is about as close to being Clarence Thomas as Jesse Jackson is to being Grand Marshall in a Ku Klux Klan parade.

Awhile a go I offhandedly discarded Kola's concerns about African Americans supporting Obama. But this sh*t here proves how (once AGAIN) that crazy African chick knows us BETTER than we know our own bootlickin' selves.
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I repeat, ABM, such inaccurate exaggerated accusations you make. And did I mention such a proliferation hot air. The presidential election is months off and anything can happen. Not everbody impulsively jumps on a bandwagon. Taking one's time about making a decision is not synonymous with endorsing Hillary Clinton, a conclusion you seem to have reached in your blind devotion to Barak.
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 02:24 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM:

And once Bill Clinton demonstrated for peace and once he got in office he bombed women children and old men in the Sudan and Serbia.

What they did before they became POTUS doesn't mean a damn thing.

You need to stop reading those Captain America comix before it is too late.
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I hope you are sincere in finding out more about his potential candidacy.





No. It's more like "[EVERY CANDIDATE'S] potential candidacy."




quote:

I hope you will apply these same standards to and be equally suspicious of any other candidate.





Because Blacks are not suspicious of white political candidates...LOLOLOL!!

We're debating whether he should get A FREE PASS simply for the color of his skin. I'm sure other candidates would sell their children to be included in such.
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i am going to vote for him because i feel that he is the best candidate, i wouldn't ever vote for alen keys and he's black. i'm not saying that because he's republican either i wouldn't vote for alan keys because he seems like a little beotch. so i have to always factor in the beotch factor. if clinton could run again (bill) and he was going against obama, well let's just say o-dawg wouldn't get my vote. i happen to like him better than all other candidates hillary, mccain, edwards, julie ann knee, and i dont even know who else is running. troy you gotta be careful with your way of thinking because if being black is all that matters then you should never complain about clarence thomas like figures who would pay top dollar to get michael jacksons bleaching cream secrets.
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 02:42 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Abm, where are you getting your information? I don't recall anybody on this or any other thread writing anything close to some of the crap you're spewing.
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 02:49 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Let's cut the sh*t and be real and plain here about ALL of the current crop of presidential candidates who are NOT named Barak Obama:


@ John Edwards - Millionaire shyster attorney who essentially bought his way in being a Senator in podunk South Carolina. But then could NOT even deliver the state to John Kerry during the 2004 presidential election. His former Senate seat was immediately claimed by the GOP and his standing in SC is such that he couldn't reclaim his former position in the Senate if he tried. The SMARTEST person in his household is his WIFE, Elizabeth. He needs to get the fuhk out of her way and tend to their kids while SHE runs for president. 'Cause, unlike him, I'd SERIOUSLY consider voting for HER.

@ John McCain - Got in the Senate and maintains esteem PRIMARILY because he was a POW. Has an interesting legislative record but is a war HAWK who's inclined to get us even DEEPER into that shyt in Iraq than we already are in. And inspite of his defiant postering, his actual congressional VOTING record is as conservative as most you'll find in the Senate.

@ Joseph Biden - Solid Democrat and overall a smart, engaging and charismatic man who's just busting to say the dumbest shyt that'll come to his mind. And that don't even include his inclination to fabricate sh*t about his history via lifting parts of OTHER mofo's biographies. Bidens living proof of how its what you AVOID saying can say MORE about you than what you do say.

@ Hillary Clinton - Boringa$$, wooden women who couldn't spell Charisma if you spotted her Charis. Help elect and steward a profoundly MEDIOCRE presidency, one in which the only thing we recall of it is welfare reform, sperm-stained, cigar-cQQchie interns and that it provided a near PERFECT prelude to the presidency of George Bush. Of course, the ONLY dayam reason she's even in the Senate is because she faithfully played the Stand By You Mayne role through that Lewinski fiasco. And she signed off on and continues to support a war that by EVERY decent measure is a wholesale catastrophe (Can't risk pissing off so many gun-totting, Arab-hating hillbillys that it fuhks up my becoming the first 'MADAME' President.).

Oh. I know Black foks don't want me to mention all of the Black foks the Clintons fuhked over while Bill was in office (Lani Gaunier, Dr. Jocelyn Elders, Ron Brown, Ron Espy, etc.). That's why I didn't mention any of that.
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Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 02:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Chris: "And once Bill Clinton demonstrated for peace and once he got in office he bombed women children and old men in the Sudan and Serbia...What they did before they became POTUS doesn't mean a damn thing."


It THAT is true, that one's prior acts is NOT a good predictor of future behavior, why should we be any MORE critical or suspicious of what Pres. Obama does than we are or what Pres. Hillary Clinton or Pres. McCain does?
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Where yawl at NOW??? I know you nikkas are still out there.

Like your Presiden Bush says: "Bring it ON!!!!"


That's right. I'm giving every Black person puredeeHELL for trying to doctor up some BS argument to chickshyt out of supporting Barak. And if you're going to be talking that Hillary Clinton for President shyt, then we go be SCRAPPING until the end of the 2008 Democratic Primary.
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Barak HUSSEIN (studied in a Madrassa) Obama is done before he started.

It's going to be a year or so for ABM.
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You assume that the people you listed are the ones we would vote for rather than Barak, ABM. And your reasons for disparaging them are opinionated. As I said, the election is months away and the campaiging hasn't even started. You are jumping the gun. You don't know what will happen between then and now. I reserve the right to make up my mind later and if you got a problem with that then go into the bathroom and cry.
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Wow! Can't we a have a little passion, intellectual and emotional commitment in these posts..???? Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
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Ntfs,

Today, I'm knocking out ALL Sucka MC's, bruh.

Hahahahaha!!!
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Gotcha!!! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
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Somebody give ABM a tissue so he can dry his tears and wipe the spittle from the corners of his mouth. snicker.
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You forgot about the oodles of snot gushing from his manly nostrils and clumping up his beard. LOLOL!
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>>giggle<<.
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ROTFLMBAO!

I deliberately left out the "studied in a Madrassa" bit -- not because I care ('cause I don't) -- because I knew some one would drag that up, as if it meant something, other than maybe Barack was educated well.

I don’t care even if his father was a polygamous, wife beating lush.

ABM speaks the truth, but I’m gonna be down right ignent on this one… ‘Cause I just don’t give a f-ck.

Black folks willin’ to bend over backwards and kiss their owns derrieres to give Clinton a pass when he is getting blown in the white house, impeached and everything else. But a Black man has to be pristine!

Look the name is as qualified as anyone else who has held the office and more qualified than a few. Plus I believe he will step up. At anyrate that does not matter cause I’m voting for him – even if he ain’t on the darn ballot!

Run Negro, Run http://authors.aalbc.com/barack_obama.htm!

Lemme ask y’all something else. Why is it Barack’s books are tearing up Amazon but failed to even crack the top 100 on AALBC.com? (see top 500 books here: http://books.aalbc.com/top_500_books_2006.htm) I already know the answer. I thought I would just point this out.


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Just like a stubborn ass hard headed man. You CAN'T vote for him if he's not on the ballot. And you CAN'T write him in if you're on an electronic voting machine.

You already know that Black folks have to be ten times better than white folks, especially for us judgmental Black folks.

Is the answer because we're shiftless

I'm buying the darn book right now so you can leave us alone.


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Troy is one of those links the way to order ANY book from Amazon through AALBC.com? I order tons and tons of books from Amazon and so if I can do that through AALBC, hey, why not? I might not be voting for Obama come election--read: MIGHT not--but that doesn't mean I'm not one to support my Brothers and Sisters whenever possible, not at all.
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what the hell qualifies barak obama to be president of the united states?

does he have ANY experience in international politics?

barak obama is just NOT qualified to be president of the united states.

and lets not kid ourselves-

barak obama will NEVER be president of the united states.

he has no CHANCE.

the (white) media enjoys talking about a "black guy" as a potential presidential candidate.

but everyone knows this country would first have a woman president, before a "non-white".

barak obama for president is a "media novelty".

nothing more.
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Troy: "Lemme ask y’all something else. Why is it Barack’s books are tearing up Amazon but failed to even crack the top 100 on AALBC.com?"


Hatin' nikkas.
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Tonya - bless you. On virtually every AALBC.com Page you will find a link labeled "Buy Any Book” if you click this link any books purchased generate a commission for AALBC.com . If fact, it is even easier; if you click any Amazon link (Amazon search or a link to any book) AALBC.com will earn a commission. I added a "Buy any Book" link to the discussion boards. THANK YOU for your support! I mean that. I

I should be more diligent in pointing this out.

Mzuri, actually the answer is well known and has already been mentioned in the conversation here. It is the "crab in the barrel" syndrome. It is just y that simple.

We will dig up every excuse not to support another Black man when it really counts -- and it is freaking pathetic.

Some of us will get up on our high horse and claim; "we will support the best candidate", or "race does not matter". This makes us feel good enough not to recognize the self hatred which is really preventing us from supporting a Brother.

I already appreciate many, if not most, of our Black politicians will fall in behind Clinton for their own political and monetary gain – but is everyone else’s excuse?

We are more racist against ourselves that most white people are.

What are you all waiting around for, Mr. Perfect: Someone descended from the American slave, who grew up poor, graduated top of his (and I say “his” cause I KNOW the support for a Black woman would be even less) class from Morehouse, pledged Alpha, married his high school sweetheart who pledged Delta, is an ordained minister, tall, handsome, a full head of hair with a little graying on the temples, deep voice, and “articulate”. Of course he was in the service and while there jumped on a grenade to save his fellow troops (fortunately the grenade turned out to be a dud).

But a white candidate all he has to do is be a democrat and maybe not be a card carrying member of the Klan to get our support.

I seriously doubt, if Dr. King were alive, that he would get the “21st Century Negro” support for President.

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i'm voting for obama! he's preachin up there....thats a black man!
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You guys can't vote for him if he's not on the ballot.

I guess you'll be sitting around, drawing up fake ballots in crayon.

"Obama--3"
"Harold Stassen--1"
"Obama is the new President of the U.S.! Hooray!

With that and a dime he can't buy a cup of coffee.

Sad. Sad.

I suppose we should let you have your delusions.
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barak obama is just NOT qualified to be president of the united states.

(Troy and ABM are living the in the past, but you are too.

There are no qualifications to be President other than having 200 million dollars and the backing of the Complex.

They can pick a chimp for President and we will vote one in.

Some think we already have, several times in fact.
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Mzuri:

Just like a stubborn ass hard headed man.

(You rang?)
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It does seem rather telling that a simple little two letter word like "if" never occurs to the Obama zealots declaring who they will be casting their ballot for. What if Obama doesn't emerge from the Democratic convention as his party's nominee?? It's also the height of naivete to not discern the significance of a dummy like George Bush being president; it should be obvious that there's a lot more involved in becoming President than being smart and popular. There is also some inconsistency in bellyaching about institionalized racism and then believing that a black man can be elected President of the United States. As for me, if Obama weathers the storm and gets the nomination, there's no way I'd vote for anybody else. If Obama doesn't get the nomination, there's no Republican candidate that I would vote for over John Edwards or Hillary Clinton. And the idea that I'd be obligated to justify this decision is nonsense.
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Dr. Moss (a Reverend of some note, I presume) is one of the guest speakers on Tavis Smiley's 2007 The State of the Black Union (airing today on CSPAN). Dr. Moss made a very wise recommendation to Black foks that seems profoundly relevant to THIS particular discussion/debate:

"We [Black foks] should be careful how we DISS & MARGINALIZE imperfect BLACK men and women [e.g., Obama, Jesse Jackson Sr.] and EMBRACE, KISS, HUG & FOLLOW imperfect WHITE men and women [e.g., Bill & Hillary Clinton]."


And in what seemed a moment of Divine Coincidence CSPAN preempted the rest of Dr. Moss speech to switch to Sen. Barak Obama very eloquently announcing his candidacy for the Presidency of the United States of AMERICA!!!!
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Chris,

Obama will have NO PROBLEM raising +$200 million.

Truss-n-believe.

Hell, Oprah, who's so much in love with Barak she look like she be having multiple orgasms when his name comes up, can break dude off THAT kinda cheese all by her lonesome.
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Why do you keeping shouting in the canyon ABM? Because you like hearing the echo of your words. Who on this board actually disses Obama or really sings the praises of Hillary Clinton? But you have been guilty of dissing and marginalizing Jesse Jackson as well as the members of the Black Caucus, not to mention Clarence Thomas, all of whom are "imperfect black men". So you and Reverend Moss need to practice what you preach. Correction: I think your cherished Kola did voice support for Hillary Clinton. snicker.
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LMAO. Don't let anybody tell you, folks, that it ain't fun bein a heckler.
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I don't think it's self-hatred if a person doesn't blindly jump on the Obama train. Besides, I don't even know what self-hatred is anyway because I love myself more than anything. If it came to saving myself and saving my offsprings, I can make more of them so they're goners! And dick is a dime a dozen so I'm not saving any of my men before I save myself either. Ya heard!

What I really wish is that we could have more than one Black candidate so that we'd have some options, and not be forced to choose whomever it is that has the balls to present themselves for the slaughter.

Some Black people that come to mind that I'd consider as serious presidential candidates:

Everybody's favorite token Black man - CP
LTG Honoré
Maxine Waters
J.C. Watts
Al Sharpton
Maybe Jesse if he acts right
Reginald Hudlin (if he can run BET he can be POTUS)
Prince!!!

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Troy,


quote:

Mzuri, actually the answer is well known and has already been mentioned in the conversation here. It is the "crab in the barrel" syndrome. It is just y that simple.

We will dig up every excuse not to support another Black man when it really counts -- and it is freaking pathetic.

Some of us will get up on our high horse and claim; "we will support the best candidate", or "race does not matter". This makes us feel good enough not to recognize the self hatred which is really preventing us from supporting a Brother.

I already appreciate many, if not most, of our Black politicians will fall in behind Clinton for their own political and monetary gain – but is everyone else’s excuse?

We are more racist against ourselves that most white people are.

What are you all waiting around for, Mr. Perfect: Someone descended from the American slave, who grew up poor, graduated top of his (and I say “his” cause I KNOW the support for a Black woman would be even less) class from Morehouse, pledged Alpha, married his high school sweetheart who pledged Delta, is an ordained minister, tall, handsome, a full head of hair with a little graying on the temples, deep voice, and “articulate”. Of course he was in the service and while there jumped on a grenade to save his fellow troops (fortunately the grenade turned out to be a dud).

But a white candidate all he has to do is be a democrat and maybe not be a card carrying member of the Klan to get our support.

I seriously doubt, if Dr. King were alive, that he would get the “21st Century Negro” support for President.




Not to bring up anything bad about Obama, been abusing my poor TV for that very reason so I wouldn't be bringing it up if I didn't have to make this point.

If a white man for prez admitted to smoking "blow," what do you think I‘d do?

Had this been any of the other candidates...let's say McCain or Edwards...you think I wouldn’t be on this board SCREAMING TO THE TOP OF MY LUNGS that them whiteys try'na put a roughneck Yankee up in The Whitehouse, screaming, "Lord, they went from an alcoholic to an ALLLLLLLL OUUUUUUT DOPE FIEND"??

You think I wouldn’t be accusing white folks of ALL KINDS of wicked shit??

Racism, redneckism, cannibalism

Anti-Jesus-is-the-son-of-God-ism

Lord-the-world-comin'-to-an-END-ism

Crackers-try’na-push-us-ALLLLL-to-the-bottom-of-the-sea-ism.

Try'na to turn us into swingers-ism

Take our booties & kitty-cat-ism??

You think Edward and McCain WOULDN’T be traitors of Christ???

Think their whole families wouldn't be a bunch of
Skanks
Skeezers
Sluts
Hoes
Hussies
Operation batwings
Gangstas
Pimps
Chinese militia tribesmen
Nig-gers
Wiggers
Niggerdrawses
Niggercrackers
Niggerfrauds
Niggerbamboozlers
Niggernobodies
Niggerfucktards
And Niggerslums????

that you wouldn’t put a hem on your smut machine 'fore its all said and done??

Come on now.

Do not tell me that I’m NOT giving Obama a hook-up. Cuz had he been ANY of the other candidates--left right center--his ass would've been missin grass by now... He'd be looking like Black folk backyards.



Now, of course I'm not saying I’m voting for Obama; not saying I'm not. I’m sayin, for me, the fact that he’s STILL in the race and in it THIS STRONGLY...

...is for one reason only:

he’s Black, half Authentic Black at that, colorism & a hook-up where I'm from.
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This was in '99 before Bush became Pres. I suggest Obama knows more in his two years than Bush can ever wrap his brain around when he is on the ranch cutting brush..
LiLi

Bush gets an F in foreign affairs
The Texas governor who would be president can't identify the leaders of Chechnya, Pakistan or India. Has he been taking lessons from Dan Quayle?


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By David Corn


Nov. 5, 1999 | WASHINGTON -- Have you ever gone to class unprepared and been surprised by a pop quiz, and then scored only 25 percent? Imagine if that embarrassing performance made the front pages.

When Andy Hiller, the political correspondent for WHDH-TV in Boston, had George W. Bush in front of a camera on Wednesday, he asked the Texas governor if he could name the president of Chechnya. Bush could not. Nor could he name the general who recently took power in Pakistan or the new prime minister of India. Bush only answered one of the four questions correctly when he identified the president of Taiwan as "Lee."

What made the Q&A worse for Bush was that he responded to the questions with petulance. Rather than explaining that he is a big-picture guy and calmly providing a strategic vision of U.S. foreign policy concerning these areas, he shot back at the reporter.

"Can you name the foreign minister of Mexico?" Bush asked, apparently proud that he knew the answer. Hiller reasonably replied that he was not the one running for president.

Bush's session with Hiller reinforced the notion that he is not ready for prime time. He may not even be ready for a debate. And his campaign staff seemed to be in a similar position. When Bush spokeswoman Karen Hughes attempted to defend her boss following the Hiller interview, she said that neither the Bush campaign's senior foreign policy advisor, Josh Bolton, nor foreign policy advisor Joel Shinn could name all four of these world leaders.

Perhaps it's not fair to expect a governor to know these people by name. While Al Gore and Bill Bradley, both brainiacs, probably could rattle off the names, most congressmen and senators would not score 100 percent on this test. But you would expect a presidential candidate (especially one with a deficit in foreign-policy experience) to hire people who could identify such figures.

But here was Hughes practically bragging that Bush's foreign-policy team is as clueless as he is. What's most revealing about this incident is that a Bush spokeswoman would think it a good idea to protect Bush by citing the ignorance of his advisors. Just as it had done so during the cocaine snafu, the Bush campaign staff seemed unable to deal with a controversy without inflicting further damage. The Republican establishment, which has placed a lot of money on this untested horse, has good reason to be nervous.

The average voter may not give a hoot that a governor running for president cannot I.D. a handful of foreign leaders. (Or that Bush earlier confused Slovakia and Slovenia and called Kosovars "Kosovarians," Greeks "Grecians" and East Timorese "East Timorians.")

And if you were a presidential candidate and had to choose between the week Bush had and the week Alpha-Beta Gore had, you'd pick Bush's in a flash. But the pop quiz probably will have an effect on the media covering the race. It is further proof that Bush is a candidate who has trouble answering tough questions. That should have reporters drooling over the opportunity to grill the man.

It's not just his foreign policy that ought to be examined. On a recent jaunt through New Hampshire, Bush was asked how rural areas could be economically revived and whether the Internet might play a role in a revival.

"The nature of the new economy is going to create all sorts of interesting opportunities and problems," Bush mused. "The interesting opportunities are, capital will move freely when we're a global nation in a global world. We're a nation in a global world. The ability to communicate -- and capital to move quickly because of the new economy -- is changing the nature of the world."

Has he been taking lessons from Dan Quayle? His response was a collection of buzz phrases that, strung together, meant nothing. His response was even more alarming than his inability to navigate Hiller's test. After all, as governor of Texas, he can be expected to have a few ideas about economic development in rural areas.

Bush has a good smile, a warm personality. He's been a champ at raising money and bagging political endorsements. These are all good traits for a candidate and have endeared him to the Republican establishment. But few people -- few voters, few reporters -- have seen him forced to think on his feet about difficult subjects. There are lots of questions that would be fun to watch him try to answer. Gov. Bush, can you tell us the status of the latest round of nuclear weapons talks between the United States and Russia? Can you explain China's importance in the next round of global-warming negotiations? How much does NATO expansion cost the U.S. taxpayer? What are the effects of third-world debt on public health in Africa?

Bush, who pulled a C average at Yale, clearly is not a homework type of guy. He will not dazzle voters with his mastery of subjects from A to Z, as President Clinton once did. But Bush has to show he can effectively compensate for his less-than-stunning intellectual powers, and his campaign has to demonstrate it can competently manage hot spots. So far, neither test has been passed.
salon.com | Nov. 5, 1999




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David Corn is the Washington editor of the Nation and a columnist for the New York Press. His novel "Deep Background" was recently published by St. Martin's Press.
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Oooh, Mzuri, the first paragraph in your last post cracked me up! What brutal honesty! So much for "self-hate", that catch-all phrase that one black person relegates to any other black person who doesn't agree with their point of view. The thing is, is that there is no collective black consciousness, so we don't all think alike. But it seems to me, on this board, people do more poking fun at Obama than dismissing him. How could anybody not be impressed with him? Still, we don't all have to disintegrate into emotional hysteria about an intent to vote for him. And since when has it become a crime to debate an issue or express an independent opinion? Me, I'm still wondering whether Obama could exert more clout as a Democratic Senator from the great state of Illinois, - as a power broker who could call more shots than as a black president who will be so beholden to so many factions that he will be shackled into inertia. And it has been suggested that gaining leverage might just be his ulterior motive in running for president as opposed to actually seeking election
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Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 07:04 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tonya,

I'd be much more suspicious of a White (Black or Brown) presidential candidate declaring he-she did NOT smoke any blow than I would one who copped to it (ESPECIALLY if dude had the stones to admit to such WITHOUT others prompting him to do so).

Because I figure MOST foks have at some point tried some of that stuff.


Btw: You HONESTLY believe that Hillary Clinton, John McCain, John Edwards and about ALL the other White mofo's under, say, age 70 who've ran for the Oval Office of the last +40 years (and who were coming of age during the 1960's and 70's!!!) HAVEN'T done some form of contraband?
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Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 10:27 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Abm,

Honestly, I don't know what they did in the 60's and 70's. I mean, I've heard stories about it but not enough of them to get a real sense of what actually took place. To me, most people don’t do drugs. I come from a very Christian, socially conservative family and though I had my share of wild friends coming up, besides some guy I once dated, none of them did drugs harder than weed. Even now I don’t think I know many people who ever tried anything harder than that. Therefore it's hard for me to imagine that someone has done hard drugs, unless they tell me they have or it’s plain to see that they are actually on it.
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Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 12:27 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mzuri --

"Some Black people that come to mind that I'd consider as serious presidential candidates:

Everybody's favorite token Black man - CP
LTG Honoré
Maxine Waters
J.C. Watts
Al Sharpton
Maybe Jesse if he acts right
Reginald Hudlin (if he can run BET he can be POTUS)
Prince!!!"

I wouldn't let these idiots sell bus passes on the corner. And as far as Prince is concerned, he isn't even on this planet.
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Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 12:33 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

IMO, Hillary won't win jack. She thinks she's "entitled" to the nomination. That's her drawback.

Obama, he could actually win. He shows humility and he's taking nothing for granted. He's just happy to be in Washington. Even more so, he's somewhat of an average Joe, smokes, drinks, cusses, talks a little "junk" now and then, and challenges anyone who sits on their laurels.
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Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 08:21 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

President Clinton and her husband, Bill, already ran the country for 8 years. Her term in office is up. Not saying that I'll vote for Obama, I'm still feeling him out, but I'm definitely not voting for Clinton - AGAIN.
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Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 03:00 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

President Clinton and her husband, Bill, already ran the country for 8 years. Her term in office is up. Not saying that I'll vote for Obama, I'm still feeling him out, but I'm definitely not voting for Clinton - AGAIN.

(That's what I keep telling everybody. If she somehow gets the nomination look for the Republicans to run it in the ground.

I would vote for her if that stinking polecat of a husband was not around. With him around I would vote for the Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan before I would "Billary" Clinton)

Obama can't mak it.

Whites won't vote for him.

Give it up. The impossible dream.
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Posted on Sunday, February 11, 2007 - 07:03 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Barack and his wife, Michelle will be on 60 Minutes tonight at 7pm on CBS.
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Posted on Monday, February 12, 2007 - 12:49 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Chris --

The guy's half white, he courts a solid and ever-growing multi-racial center, and that ain't going to change. Fughettaboutit.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 01:14 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm not a dem, but I agree with Troy. I'll vote for Obama and worry about why later. If nothing else, it will do much for the self-esteem of young black children. Initially I thought he was too inexperienced, but it's a crapshoot with all of them regarding the politics, so I'll vote on the psychological impact.

As for Ms. Arrogant Hillary, she's done her time. We already dealt with Bush/Bush. Hopefully the country has learned from that mistake. Also, Ms Hillary was extremely inappropriate and self-serving at Coretta Scott King's funeral. If she wins the primary, I'm sure the opposing forces have enough dirt on the Clinton's to bury her. They probably want her to win. In addition to the policies noted above, the Clinton Administration can be credited with the mandatory minimum sentencing guidelines. If we scrutinize Clinton's record we will see the only thing Bill did for black's was play the saxophone. I can find a brother to do that, with a lot more soul I might add.

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