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Tonya
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As Stage is Set for Final Presidential Debate, Obama Backers Await the Knockout Punch
Wednesday, October 15, 2008
By: Associated Press and BlackAmericaWeb.com
Barack Obama and John McCain will both pursue the image of a strong leader in troublesome economic times as they meet Wednesday night for their third and final presidential debate.
Their face-off comes as Obama widens his lead in typically Democratic states and campaigns with an air of optimism about his prospects, while McCain seeks a way to gain ground and finds himself defending traditionally Republican states with less than three weeks left in the race.
"We cannot spend the next four years as we have spent much of the last eight: waiting for our luck to change. ... As president I intend to act, quickly and decisively," McCain said Tuesday in battleground Pennsylvania. There, he unveiled new economic proposals and previewed a possible debate strategy: Argue that he would be different from Bush and better than Obama.
One day earlier in swing state Ohio, Obama outlined his own economic plan and showed off his own pitch. He suggested that McCain was more of the same and that putting a Democrat in charge was the only way to fix the economy's woes: "It will take a new direction. It will take new leadership in Washington. It will take a real change in the policies and politics of the last eight years."
The economic crisis has transformed the campaign over the past month. Obama has built leads nationally and in key states as the turmoil has returned the nation's focus to the unpopular Bush's policies. Now, the burden is on McCain to try to reverse his slide.
Wednesday's debate at Hofstra University in Hempstead, N.Y., is slated to focus entirely on the economy and domestic policy. The candidates will be seated at a table with moderator Bob Schieffer of CBS.
Gender, age, race have all been factors in the 2008 campaign, but there’s one more factor that analysts have tried to determine the value of in presidential politics: Cool.
Obama is said to have plenty of it and pundits have debated whether it is working for him or against him.
Currently up in some polls by double-digits, there are those who say it’s made all the difference. Others say Obama has been too cool, that he lacks the fire in the belly to throw the knockout punch. He didn’t K.O. Sen. Hillary Clinton during the Democratic primary season, and doesn’t seem inclined to do so against McCain.
“He didn’t want to shred his opponents,” former Rhode Island Sen. Lincoln Chafee told NPR’s Michel Martin last week. “The challenge we have in this is that when he wins, there’s going to be enormous challenges ahead,” and Obama needs to have a civil relationship with both sides of the aisle to get traction for his agenda.
Chafee, a Republican who voted with McCain against the Bush tax cuts, eventually switched his affiliation to Independent. McCain campaigned for Chafee as he sought reelection -- failing in the effort -- but Chafee still decided to endorse Obama.
“The Republicans have always, at least in the last few years especially, have had a strategy to motivate the base, and they’ve excelled at that,” Chafee said. “But, by its definition, it divides the country. I always like to say the Republicans are great at winning elections, but they have trouble at governing.”
Chafee said Obama’s steady demeanor and the efficiency of his campaign machine helped convince him to support the Democrat.
“He had the best organization, and I believe that translates into an administration,” Chafee said. “They all like each other; they trust each other; they work well together. There have been no cost overruns.”
McCain, on the other hand, “realized he had to pander to the Republican base, and time and time again, I saw him go back on the things he believed,” Chafee said. “And I have never agreed with him on his approach to the world. It’s very belligerent.”
McCain poses himself as a fixer; he temporarily (and tactically) suspended his campaign to meet with his congressional caucus to try to secure a deal on the Wall Street bailout. It backfired when House Republicans balked and McCain himself blew up the deal in the Senate GOP caucus, telling his colleagues he wouldn’t support the initial version on the table.
“For McCain, politics is always operatic, pitting people who agree with him against those who are ‘corrupt’ or ‘betray the public’s trust,’ two categories that seem to be exhaustive -- there are no other people,” commentator George F. Will wrote in a column last month, taking McCain to task for “behaving like a flustered rookie playing in a league too high” as the nation’s financial stability began to waver.
Obama, meanwhile, didn’t stake out a strong position on the economy early on, basically deferring to the administration, saying he wanted to allow time for a bipartisan solution to be worked out without the injection of politics his presence might bring.
But can one be too cool? Bill Clinton said he felt our pain during the nation’s last economic crisis and portrayed George H.W. Bush as failing to understand what was happening to the average man. Obama’s critics say he seems to get it intellectually, but not emotionally. His supporters say his calm assures us that everything is going to be okay if we just keep our wits about us.
“He sometimes appears to favor both sides of a proposition as he listens and talks to people. You don’t always know where he is. He’s his own inkblot,” Stanley A. Renshon, a presidential scholar and psychiatrist, told The Los Angeles Times.
“I don’t think any of the armchair quarterbacks out there can argue with how (Obama) ran the primary or the general election,” said Michael A. Brown, a City Council candidate in Washington, D.C., and son of the late Ron Brown, the Secretary of Commerce in Bill Clinton’s administration and, before that, chairman of the Democratic National Committee.
His father, also remembered by many as a cool customer, “was the first person of color to win a national election when he became chair of the DNC,” Brown said.
“He had to go to all 50 states and campaign,” Brown told BlackAmericaWeb.com. "Granted, it’s only a several hundred vote population, but when you’re standing up in front of a group of people in Idaho trying to convince them to vote for a black man, that’s something special. So I think it’s absolutely possible that (Obama) will win it."
“He’s calm. He’s attractive. He’s got the right message," Brown said. "He’s set the right tone. He has the best organization, the most money, and he has put himself on the doorstep of winning this thing.”
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Tonya
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Professor Boy Next Door is gonna WIN yet again! |
Tonya
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Obama's got that Steve Urkel thing working for him, and it's been GOLDEN.
In contrast, John McCain's become the Crazy Uncle of the intellectual branch of the Conservative/Republican Party. (His peeps are already locking him away behind that poorly lit backroom's door…(teehee!))
CLEAN SWEEP,
for the BRILLIANT LEADER,
of the Democratic Party, the country, and the world. |
Cynique
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 15, 2008 - 11:31 am: |
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IMO, you are much too optimistic. I, for one, am not impressed with Obama's lackluster nerdy performances. And there is nothing about John McCain's folksy "my friends" approach that suggest's great intellect. That's why he and that air-head Sarah Palin appeal to the stupid hocky moms and joe six-packs.
Obama needs to bring it, - needs to deliver a decisive knock-out. His poll numbers don't mean "shyt". |
Carey
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Obama is doing just fine. You should dance with the lady you brought to the "party". Just because she puts on a little weight and bucks differently doesn't mean you should kick her to the curb...just hold on! I knee jerk reaction could be costly. He could lose his grip and fall into the hands of another lover. |
Cynique
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Oh, jeeze, enough with the platitudes. Who said anything about abandoning Obama??
In any case, he is not above reproach, and he needs to step up his game, - advice most of his supporters are hoping he will take. |
Carey
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Platitudes you say? I wouldn't call it that, I'd call it advice to all the media driven reactionaries.
I also didn't imply that anyone should abandon Obama?!
If McCain listened to all "the advise" from most of his supporter he'd still be riding around broke in that $10,000 a day bus AND wouldn't even be in the race. He ABANDONED an IDEA.
Why should Obama do anything other than what he's been doing. Never leave a place you're making money unless....... |
Cynique
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You are the one who is media-driven if you think the polls are infallible, Carey.
Obama needs to totally neutralize McCain by scoring a decisive victory over him in the debates. This would make it a win-win situation. |
Carey
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I think the polls are slanted. Yet I couldn't tell you in which direction they are tilted. There are so many different polls and I am yet to speak with anyone that have been a part of one. i just don't know how wise it is for Obama to change his stride in mid-stream. what's the indicator that would make that necessary.
I do feel whites that my be moving towards Obama are somewhat fearful to say so. Given the state of racism I believe whites are close to the action and therefore more proned to hide their true decision to vote for Obama.
Again having no true indicators, none without errors, I would advise Obama to just keep doing what he's been doing.
I think you will agree and I think you have said such, that this election is largely about race. Obama cannot change his skin and should not change his stride.
McCain, on the other hand was running from behind from the jump. He wasn't even a true favorite in his own party. He's running an uphill battle. He's doing the right thang by trying to rally hatred, it's a valuable tool. Obama would be hard pressed to find a defense this late in the game. The debate is a dead issue, Obama only has to hold onto the ball, don't pass it now. |
Yvettep
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Carey, your ambivalence about what, exactly, the polls show is warranted IMO. I have read some reports that say that many of Sen Obama's poll numbers may be under counted, due to their not catching as many cell-phone-only households. (You can look at the details of polling procedures to determine if cell phone users were included or not.) Cell-phone-only households are generally younger and better educated--a demographic that skews more towards Obama than to Sen McCain.
There also might be an effect that is the opposite of the so-called "Bradley effect," with some White AMericans afraid to publicly profess that they are going for Obama because it does not fit with who they see themselves as and with the folks who surround them, but who may actually vote for him in private.
Whatever the case, polls generally count "likely voters"--They cannot predict who will actually make it to the polls and pull the lever. (Or, whose votes will be counted--but of course that's a whole other can of worms...) |
Sara
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Hi, can I join in? Thank you, I appreciate your hospitality.
Er humm.... I'm Sara, and I was contacted twice for a presidential poll. So, yeah, some of us are in the mix. Having said that, I am more inclined to think that whites will play public liberal and profess to vote FOR Obama, then once in the booth, vote for McCain. We'll know in 3 weeks. |
Carey
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Err Hummm.....Sara, I see you are a Newbie Poster and I am busy today but your post caught my eye.
It caught my eye because....well, you might find this to be a hard place to practice.
I don't know if you are black or white. Heck, I don't know if you were approached via your phone (cell) or by a knock on your door. I certainally don't know the name of the "poll". Your age is in question along with your economic position and location. You don't have to answer any of those questions. I think there omission has already proved our point.
PLUS: Having said ALL of that, I have to question your opinion that whites are more inclined to "play public liberal", what's your reasoning. What's the payoff (if there is one)and would it be worth the downside...the other side! Remember "race" and hatred are big players.
Er...hummm, thanks for stopping by. |
Cynique
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I agree with you, Sara. I think white support for Obama is very soft. In the coming weeks, there may be a backlash to the way all of the newspapers and TV talking heads are characterizing the hockey moms and Joe 6-packs as Neanderthals, and the Liberals may very well surrender to their inner racism.
In the worst case scenario, it will be very difficult for Blacks to stomach the gloating of the white conservative bigots should they win, and this polarization may erupt in widespread violence. |
Carey
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Cyn-Cyn, how did I know you were going to show up *lol*. But since you did I guess I should ask you the same question. What logic are you using to suggest that white support is very soft?
Sure there will be a backlash, it's already happening. Religion and politices are a no-no in the workplace but it has invaded every boardroom and water cooler discussion...a big mistake! Many individuals passions has encrouched upon their good sense. People don't forget and many jobs will be lost solely by comments made during this election. The comments will not be the reasoning behind their removel but it will be the impetus.
So again, whats the rewards of faking a decision to vote for one candidate over another? What, fake out the polls!?
The person that sits quite during an office or workplace discussion is the one to keep an eye on. They may vehemently object to the debates on the floor and yet are smart enough to hold their opinion. Now that's the one I would be worried about especially if they had some control over my future. If I was a midlevel manager I difinitely wouldn't be making myself a target for the backlash that is sure to follow.
Even in Billy Bobs bait & tackle shop... what one says may lead to a swim in the deep END.
Yep, there will be a backlash and I ain't taking about violence. It's going to get ugly, some might want to consider doing the backstroke.
I am listening to Prince's "Pop light". |
Cynique
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It's Pop Life, not "Light".
Surely you don't think logic has anything to do with the emotion that is grounded in insidious racism. Actually, your befuddled comments seem to be more in agreement with Sara's, rather than disagreement. |
Carey
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Thanks for the correction "Pop Life, not "Light". Did you happen to listen to some of the lyrics *hint*.
I can see why you may have called my comments "befuddled". Thanks for the lead-in.
Some debators make the mistake of attacking small bits of the apposition and not agreeing with a statement that can be support by logic or reasoning. It's a sure sign of weakness. A vital quality of a good debators is the ability to agree, yet find a way to reshape the remarks and us them to their advantage. Cynicism and blatant dodging of the issues only plays to a narrow crowd. It gives the appearance of someone that is not listening and will try to win at any cost even if they all wrong and everyone knows it. The McCain camp has traveled this road and they are now running on flat tires.
Some of my remarks to Sara were not in direct opposition to hers (thank you for pointing that out) and that's my point I was merely trying to engage her in discussion and asked for clarification. |
Cynique
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You and I are never on the same wave length, Carey. There is just no rapport or communication between us. If you refer to Pop "Life" as Pop "Light", then your accuracy in other areas becomes suspect.
Sara wrote one clear paragraph sharing an experience with us. She then proceeded to make an observation similar to what many others have said, an observation that is grounded in the infamous Bradley syndrome wherein Whites deserted the black candidate for the office of Governor of California, thereby proving how the polls projecting him as the winner turned out to be deceptive. What about Sara's remarks was illogical and needed clarifying? And what about what she said attacked Republicans? She was talking, specifically, about white Liberals.
And if the purpose of a debate is to agree, then it isn't a debate. Anybody who reformats what a person says and uses this to make their argument is not a debater but a "spin-master".  |
Carey
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Hello Cynique,
I am glad you said "if the purpose of a debate is to agree". See, again, you were not listening because it's NOT the "PURPOSE" and that's not what I said. |
Carey
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Cynique, I can assume that our reasons for posting are not the same. You said you and I are never on the same wave length. You being a self proclaimed cynic "I" certainally understand why you may feel that way.
You used an example of me using "Pop Light" instead of "Pop Life". You brought it to my attention twice. Obviously you knew of the song or decided to look it up. I was listening to the song at the time I was posting. I have heard the song several times in the past. I don't know about you but I've sang along with a song and never really knew all the correct words. I am sure we've all done that. Heck, there's a TV program that illustrates that point. The title of the song wasn't very important to me... to you it obviously was. Some of the lyrics and the message is what I was trying to draw your attention to, I think it worked. One of the lines said, "girl, what's under that hair".
In a post to Mr. Copper I called Emanuel Steward, Emanuel "Lewis". I am sure he caught that but I can assume it wasn't something that he thought needed to be addressed. So, you have the right to question anything I say and I ain't made at you.
Over the years that you and I've been posting I doubt you've ever...EVER said that you agree with me. Either I've never been correct or the problems rests in the hands of the cynic. So I will agree with you once again, we may not see eye to eye. You may see yourself as the HNIC...BMOC....Queen Bee, but baby please, baby baby baby please. |
Yvettep
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Sara, welcome! I agree that this dynamic may be in play with some non-Black voters. But I do not think this is the case with a majority of folks for a few reasons:
1) The amount of small donations Sen. Obama has received: It is one thing to want to appear socially acceptable in a poll, but it is another to "pretend" to support someone up to the point of donating to his or her campaign.
2) The number of people coming out to Obama rallies: The same logic applies as above--though, of course, not as strongly. It is quite possible that folks just want to see what all the hubbub is about but may still vote differently.
3) The number of signs of support--from car bumper stickers to yard signs: I can especially see this here in Indiana, a traditionally conservative battleground state. Again, once folks make the kind of commitment that entails "branding" themselves as a supporter in these public ways, the less likely they are to recant in the voting booth.
All the above has to do with a human tendency to want to bring one's actions in line with each other. Most folks do not like the feeling of cognitive dissonance that involves walking one way and talking another.
But I think the main reason we should feel some confidence that the non-Black support for Obama is real is very simple and has, really, not a whole lot to do with Obama. Whether he is really a "maverick" or not, Sen McCain is still a Republican and the "Republican brand" right now is suffering. He must work extra hard to separate himself from this brand. That still may not be enough--Perhaps he should be praying for a miraculous turn-around in the economy over the next several days.
Or, of course, he can continue the attack and fear mode.
At this point I think that if we do not see widespread (note: not necessarily "landslide") Democratic victories at all levels it will be because (1) the Democrats did not do a very good job of getting people to actually show up at the polls, or (2) trickery to cause chaos and challenges at the polls and afterwards were successful.
Hopefully the UNANIMOUS (yes, even brother Thomas agreed!!!) recent Supreme Court decision not to tinker in Ohio is a good sign that the latter will not be successful. |
Yvettep
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Carey: "We all got a space 2 fill...Everybody can't be on top. But life it ain't real funky, unless it's got that pop. (Dig it.)"
LOL!  |
Carey
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Yvette, you've done me proud, a true Prince fan!
BTW, I loved your "cognitive dissonance", those 2 lines were deep and I might add...TRUE. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"You and I are never on the same wave length, Carey. There is just no rapport or communication between us. If you refer to Pop "Life" as Pop "Light", then your accuracy in other areas becomes suspect."
 .......and there ya have it!!! |
Cynique
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What is the definition of a debate, Carey? We obviously need to define terms if we are going to challenge each other. What is the point of 2 people or 2 teams coming together in a standard format, with standard rules, presenting 2 sides of a question, if it is not to air differences? Your idea of a debate seems to be a format where the participants take part in a loose discussion that includes acknowledging areas of agreement.
Also, I would have no reason to randomly look up the title of a song you make mention of. I just happen to be familiar with Prince's "Pop Life", and I know its correct title. Furthermore, Pop Life makes more sense than Pop Light. What is a pop light?? And, along these lines, the implication that I have to look up the stuff I write about on this board seems to be an opinion held by certain people. The fact is that, as a naturally curious person, I absorb what's going on around me. I read, I observe, I experience, I listen and I remember. That's how most aware people acquire knowledge. When a subject comes up that I remember something about, I make a comment on it. That's why I am often unable to provide a reference or specifics because I am recalling, not citing.
As for me considering myself the HNIC or Queen Bee, - forgeddaboutit! I rarely make an effort to take charge of either Troy's or Thumper's domain. I'm more about tweaking the noses of self-important, pompous people. Actually, you, yourself, are not exactly a passive figure when it comes to throwing your weight around. |
Cynique
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Yvette, I like your "brand" analogy. Certainly a term that resonates with a society that is preoccupied with labels and images.
My apprehension about an Obama victory stems from white people who say they wouldn't bet on him beating McCain. These are people who uneasily claim that they back Barak but that their peers are not planning to vote for him.
My skepticism about Obama winning is one instance where I will be glad to be proven wrong |
Carey
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Cynique, it's chilly and raining so it's a great day to do what we do.
Your questions about debate are good ones. I guess your posts sort of says in all. Consequently, since there are no standard rules in this forum, it's my opinion that what happens in this forum seems to run between both areas you outlined. I say that because when I witness a person standing so entrenced in their position that it falls from a "discussion that includes acknowledging areas of agreement" it gives the signs of a debate which takes me back to good debating. Of course everyones "good" is not the same. It depends on the motive and purpose of the debate and those involved. For instance, if one is trying to win-over a certain type of audience, he or she might play the hate card and not worry about being invested in the moment or the real issues. Yet in other situations or debates, it may be wise to show that you do not have scripted answers and are knowledgeable in the issues at hand. To agree in a debate is not a bad thang. You said when a person reformats what another person has said, you consider them a spin-master and not a debator. Spin-mastering has a negative connotation. I'd like to think of it as turning it around. No one says a person "spins" himself around and got his life back on track. I don't think a "debate" is absent of agreement.
If it's a duck, call it a duck. If it's a goose, call it a goose. If it looks like a duck and walks like a goose then maybe we can call it Thumper's Corner *lol*.
Pop Life...Pop Light: The song was talking about people in "the life". I can assume you know what that means. Well, the life in the song was filled with negativity and questions were being asked. Questions like "what's under your hair" and "what's that you are putting up your nose". So one can assume they, those people in the struggle had not "seen the light", hence, POP LIGHT, turn the light on and get out of the dark! Of course that was my take on it and it works for me. "Pop Life" is cool, hey, Prince titled the song. But if you listen to the song that "Life" will burst..."Pop". HEEEYYY...Pop Life-Pop Light, wrote a song about it, wanna hear it.
Yeah, you are right, I am not very passive on some occasions. I've also been called a punching bag. I'll take that punch along with all the rest. I can assume that some might see my name and skip over my posts. Some might take a peak to see what nonsense you and I have gotten ourselves into. Others my get excited because they may feel that they are in for a spirited exchange. Yet there may be some that see it as a chance to post a laughing prick *wink*.
And you....? |
Yvettep
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Cynique: I, too, have been intrigued with the idea of political "brands"--It is something I have read in numerous places. (So I am definitely not taking credit for coming up with it! LOL) As for skepticism, I think it is necessary for those of us who want to see an Obama presidency to not think this thing is in the bag. ANd to his credit, Sen Obama has said as much in recent appearances. |
Cynique
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Humm. Here we go disagreeing again, Carey. To me, the "Pop" in Pop Life is short for "popular" as in Pop Lit and Pop culture. I think the song is not about "the life" as in prostitution or homosexuality but as "in the mix" of what's popular rather than what's classic. |
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Username: Carey
Post Number: 1311
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 21, 2008 - 10:28 am: |
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Well Cyn-Cyn, I think we are walking down the same street. I am not saying we are agreeing....yuck. But you are probably correct, yet in the "popular" life there are elements that I spoke of. Again, I was merely speaking to the lyrics. But maybe you can agree that when a person says "I left "that" life" one could invision a host of life-styles. That's why I didn't break it all the way down.
But as much as I hate to say this, you might be right on the theme of the song. Do you know where I can cop a nickel bag, I think I am going to be sick. |
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