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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 02:37 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hello All,

According to a white skinny racist Congresswoman from Minnesota, blacks and other minorities are the cause for the collapse on Wall Street. This sour face aneroxic heifer name Michele Bachmann, from Minnesota, read into the Congressional record at the time of the bail out vote that because Clinton made a rule, making it easier for blacks and other minorities to get mortgages that we are the reason for the fall. Here's the link, http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2008/09/bachmann_takes.php

Is there any black folks in Minnesota that can vote this TRAMP out of office!!

And get this, this is the tramp that John McCain has speaking out for him on the TV news channel like CNN. Birds of a feather flock together.
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 02:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thumper,

Why you mad at her, she just telling the truth. Now I know it hurts to hear it, but that is what happened.

Here is the scam. They keep calling it "homeownership" or putting people "into homes". The fact is that you never really own the home you just have possession of it. instead they own your @ss for the next thirty years. The interest that one pays under these arrangments is mind numbing and yet noone says squat about it.

If we are to get mad at someone it should be the banker that hoodwink our @sses and the representatives that failed to do their legislative duty.
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 03:02 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hello,

Disciple: You need to know what you're talking about. I bought my home through that program. And I have never been late with a payment, and got a decent flat rate interest on my mortgage, and that that sub prime mess either So, I don't have a freaking clue as to what you or that tramp is talking about. I wasn't hoodwinked or anything else. You need to do more research and it may help to actually talk to the people that benefitted from the program.
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 03:33 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That's right, Disciple. Whenever something goes wrong in this country, blame the niggers and spics for it, because after all, they're to blame for everything. Them, and the gooks, and (sometimes) the kikes. Yeah, right. Fucking Germans!
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 03:45 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thumper;

That great for you, you are one of the fish that got away,though not entirely. As for knowing what I am talking about; let's see. I sold real estate on long Island from 1983-1991. I originated Loans from 1986- 1991, and then again in 1996-98. So I am extremely familiar with the process my friend.

During those times I operated under the same dillusion that you currently are under "that I was helping them own a home" and everyone appreciated it and to my knowledge most of them paid them off. But upon reflection I now know better. Since then, countless others have followed in their foot steps and these were not so lucky. So what turn out to be great for you and many others turned out to be a nightmare for others, so I speak to the whole, not just you.

Now since you own your home then i trust you are familiar with a document called a "Good faith and lending Statement" right. Well, I don't know how you can look at that without feeling that your been duped! How can someone rightly claim hundreds of thousands of your wealth as interest and that be called good faith. It is a mathmatical scam. Maybe it makes you feel better, but anyone that buys real estate under those terms just got taken...well to the bank!
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I have heard about this. Here is what does not logically make sense about laying the blame on "low income minorities" for the housing crisis. (Note: this is just my own logical exercise, not a matter of hard facts that I possess.)

First, what percentage of the American population is "low income," "minority," and--presumably--adult?

Of that percentage, what percentage own their own homes, or have owned their homes since this law went into effect?

What was the dollar amount of those loans, as well as the percentage of the broader subprime mortgage pie that these loans represent?

It is very hard for me to believe that whatever these numbers are, that they represent a significant chunk of the current crisis. That is not to say that the crisis has not affected minorities disproportionately as compared to Whites. But this is so blatantly an attempt to scapegoat minorities.

Thumper, I no longer have a say in MN politics. (But that's OK--IN surely needs my vote more.) But I have every faith that Keith Ellison will keep folks there in line. He is good people.
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 04:03 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Schakir,

I never said that it is our fault, just that we got pulled into it and became PART of the problem. The fault is these scandelous stealing @ss bankers and these lazy @ss legislators that failed to reign them in. I thank God that he opened my eyes because, until he did, I thought that everything was alright. But believe you me its not, and everyone should be angry, but it must be directed at the right cause.
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 04:21 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

George Bush's homeowners agenda 2002
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/homeownership/homeownership-policy-book-execsu m.html

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021015-7.html

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=62687

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020618-1.html
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 04:22 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Okay lets walk through this real slow.

When ever you are dealing in a market, you need a buyer and a seller. If you are not dealing with a fixed price item then someone will have to pay a lower price and someone will have to pay a higher price.

Since whites have better access to capital ( better paying jobs, access to credit, friend of a friend, etc) they are the first to buy at the best price and the best terms. Now in order to get them out with a profit, they need someone to buy the houses out from them at much higher prices. These, in turn, need someone to buy them out and so on. I don't have to tell you who's last in line; do I?

But here is the problem, how can the poorest buyers qualify for the highest priced home. His credit isn't as worthy, he doesn't have the down payment, nor does he have the income. With these barriers how can we unload these over inflated houses to them?

Hummmm! Let's see. Let's say we change the rules this way we can cash out near the market top, the homes go into foreclosure and then we will buy back at the low. Great! but we have to find away to spin it as though we are doing them a favor. No problem, spin is our game. The beauty is since he will be the one holding the bag, we can't put the blame on him.

Perfect; street hustle 101. Don't feel bad, they had ne too for a while and i thought I was hustle-proof.
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 04:31 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

D724, do you have figures for the scenarios I put forth in my previous post? I am more than willing to admit that my disbelief was ungrounded.

I would bet that there were plenty of non-"low income minorities" who received subprime mortgages, as well as ones using suspect income documentation. Heck, affluent zip codes all over the nation are full of these now-foreclosed homes. (I browsed dozens during my own recent home search.) "Access to capital" is not as big an issue as all sorts of folks--especially ones with lots of capital--wanting more house in better neighborhoods with better schools than they could otherwise afford.

Until I see figures to the contrary my guess remains that "low income minorities" are being scapegoated. (Yet again.)
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 04:34 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

2003
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/12/20031216-9.html
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Yvette,

No, I don't have the figures, but that is not the point, stats are always manipulated to make whatever point you are trying to make. There are a number of dynamics at work here and just sorting it at in that manner would be confusing the issues.

Let's look at property values.

Real Estate property value are set by generally using 3 recent sales to establish the value of homes in the area. Getting 3 sales not only set the values for future sales, but set the terms for home equity loans as well.

In order to get those higher prices you need a fresh supply of buyers. When they ran low on "standard buyers" they turned to lower qualified buyers as a means to artifically keep real estate values high. So you are right that they are being made the scapegoat, but they were the last piece of a deep rooted problem.

I put together this illustrations that kind of speaks to the dynamics that are involved. Maybe this will add some perspective. Check it out

http://www.equitelligenceqr.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/us-web-of-inflation-i .jpg
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 04:58 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If all of us on T'sC chipped in our money, could we buy this house? :-)

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/30/dnt.mccain.house.for.sale.k tvx
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 05:08 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What if many of the foks who have lost their homes to foreclosure had NOT borrowed money at usurious lending rates? What if they were offered good fixed rate APR's versus these 2 or 3 years ARMS and balloon payment schemes?

Oh, and what if our ENERGY (e.g., natural gas, electricity and gasoline) bills hadn't double, tripled and even quadrupled over the last 7 years? What if our FOOD weren't escalating in prices?

And what if all these things weren't occurring WHILE our wages/salaries remained flat (even while some companies enjoy increasing profits), unemployment increase as we lose our jobs and businesses to a recession and/or foreign outsoucing that's lasted the entire duration of the Bush presidency?

Think if the above were not occurring all at once, a lot more foks - including even us 'ignant niggras' - might have been able to hold on to their homes?


Sure we can argue that a lot of these foks should NOT have taken the deals they took. And certainly some of them are better off NOT being burden with trying to continue to pay for a home they simply canNOT afford to live in.

But you are out your gotdayam MIND if you think that this crisis is solely or primarily the fault of efforts to expand homeownership, especially given all the socio-economic BENEFITS that follow homeownership (e.g., less crime, wealth building, familial and community stability, education financing, etc.).

Rather, it is what has happened surrounding efforts to expand homeownership (e.g., greedy & deceptive mortgage brokering practices, the tricking up of financial markets, exorbitant energy pricing) that is the true source of our current financial calamity.


Btw: The very fallaciously RACIST cries by that clown in Minnesota are ridiculous, though, alas, NOT unpredictable. It ain't like we haven't been here before...
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2008 - 08:58 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Disciple,

The point is that this c-unt from Minnesota IS blaming "niggers" and "spics" for bringing down a system which they have no control over. "Niggers" and "spics" by the way are just an effect of a rotten financial system and not the cause, but bratwurst-breath from the fucking Twin Cities refuses to see it that way.
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Economists are now saying that this current crises is first and foremost about credit, the life blood of the economy. Everybody - black, white, rich, poor, giant corporations and small businesses - all depend on credit. When credit is stymied, this affects all areas of the financial community because credit is what enables the lendee to make purchases, and the interest charged on the credit is what generates a profit for the lender. This dynamic is what keeps the business world on track.

Banks and financial institutions cannot advance credit when they become financially depleted because, among other things, their unscrupulous practices have driven them to underwrite mortages for people who couldn't afford to repay them when the unfixed interest rates escalated.

So now, the shyt has hit the fan.
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Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 08:50 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yvette,

No, I don't have the figures, but that is not the point, stats are always manipulated to make whatever point you are trying to make. There are a number of dynamics at work here and just sorting it at in that manner would be confusing the issues.

Let's look at property values.

Real Estate property value are set by generally using 3 recent sales to establish the value of homes in the area. Getting 3 sales not only set the values for future sales, but set the terms for home equity loans as well.

In order to get those higher prices you need a fresh supply of buyers. When they ran low on "standard buyers" they turned to lower qualified buyers as a means to artifically keep real estate values high. So you are right that they are being made the scapegoat, but they were the last piece of a deep rooted problem.

I put together this illustrations that kind of speaks to the dynamics that are involved. Maybe this will add some perspective. Check it out

http://www.equitelligenceqr.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/us-web-of-inflation-i .jpg
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Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 08:53 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yvette,

they expired that video preety fast huh?

Sorry for the double post!
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Oh, darn! Well, you can still look it up on the realtor sites. (For example: @ realtor.com http://tinyurl.com/3nvmjn)

You know--I do not know how advertising works on these videos on demand sites. But when I looked at the video--of this lavish home, with the realtor saying that even though it was big it was still quite cozy (?!), how the buyer would be buying part of Arizona and American history, how there were still signs of when the McCains lived there (e.g., "John" written in concrete)--following right after the piece was a paid ad from the Obama campaign. It was highly effective in its contrast!

Like I said, I do not know whether that ad appeared for everyone everytime, was randomly placed there, or was placed there for me specifically because of some info about me and my previous web searching habits stored somewhere...
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Speaking of skinny white women ...well, I didn't know where to stick this post so I thought what the heck. It's actually about fine SINGLE black women. Last night I was watching a discussion between a group of very attractive black women. It actually was on a DVD format. The topic was why are so many attractive "available" black women single. The numbers are staggering. Now these were not chickenheads. A few years ago the number was 20% NOW it's closer to 60%. I could not believe that. Some in the group chose to be single, others cried because they desparately wanted a mate ...well, they now have accepted their position or fate. Again, I am talking "take home to momma" type women, it blew me away. Of course some were in church others were professionals and down home women. I can assume most women knew of this and the reasons a good black man is hard to find?
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Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 10:14 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Back to the topic:

Like Yvette, I don't know the numbers but I do have a friend that also sold homes. In certain markets he said it was hard for a black man to sell homes yet when the lending laws changed he made some pretty good money off ...yes, our people. He said it was part of the game to attract blacks to the table and convince them to purchase a home that he basically knew they would struggle to keep. The buyer was frequently surprised at how much home they could purchase. Of course they were unaware of their future fate, they were caughtup in the fact that they would be the talk of their family. He said it didn't matter what rate they qualified for he would always jack it a whole point or even two! He would point out a flaw in their credit history and say if it wasn't for that little "mistake" in their past they would have gotten a better rate. But rate wasn't on their minds, they wanted a house. Some went in thinking they would purchase a modest starter home $86,000-$120,000 and left oweing $200,000 for 30yrs with an ARM starting 9%-11%! Now I can assume others...non-blacks fell for this so again, I doubt if blacks alone are the reason behind the present day problems but I'd say they are in the mix. Numbers, statistic would be great, I'd like to see them. But again, I don't think homes in this price range are at the root of the problem ...again I say "think", I don't know.
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Everyone,

It is a shame that we are attacking this problem as a racial issue. Would it make any of us feel beter if the statstics came back as said it was either true or false. What then? does that mean we get to keep our homes or not?Let's defend our position, not our color which by the grace of God need no defense.

The fact is a large number of the black community was adversely effected by this and if that number was 80%, 60%, 30%, or .000000001% it don't change the fact that 100,000's of black folk and millions of human folk were cheated by these son of ....you know. They always get us distracted off of them by getting us to engage in these senseless racial debates.

I know you all of you know at least 1 person that was hurt by this ( and some things that you still are not aware of). Well for me that 1 is enough; I don't need anymore to get me started.
Hurt 1 of my brother or sisters and And you have got me pi$$ed, especially since you used me as a tool to do it.

Folks this economy is collapsing, that is a mathematical fact and it is by design ( Yvette, Novus Ordo Seclorum). We have but a small window of opportunity to advert disaster, and that must take place politically.

Let's not waste it debating meaningless statistic; those have been saying that we are doing fine which you now know is not true.
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It wasn't the subprime loans that got us into trouble, it was PREDITORY lenders, who convinced a lot of people to take out BALLOON mortgages, which made the balance owed on the loan come due all at once on a given date. And othr flexible mortgages that made the monthly payment skyrocket and become unaffordable. So why blame blacks for trusting their lenders wouldnt try to screw them in the end? I saw so many refinance companies open here, make irresistible deals on refinancing your home, put a little cash in your pocket and everyone's happy, right? Wrong. The agencies were taking all the peoples money, taking trips to the islands and then closing up shop and leaving town without a trace before the scams were discovered, leaving homeowner with a huge amount of debt in back mortgage payments. These scam artists and others like them bear the brunt of this crises. So lets tell it like it TIS is.
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A_ woman,

This is a 700 billion ( really a 3.5 plus trillion) dollar problem and it was not any one particular thing. The entire process stinks and this has been going on for decades. As a troubleshooter, you don't stop at the immediate symptom, but trace the problem to its roots. Thisthing stinks down to its roots. Now if we are looking to find fault or blame, any and all of the above will do. Pick one. But if you are trying to find a solution, you have to look at the entire process, and that is where the problem lies.

Would you work for me for 20 years if I would allow you to work the next 10 for yourself? yes or no!
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If the answer is yes, then there is nothing wrong with the system, and when can you start.

If the answer is no then you have to take a closer look at this process and demand better from your law maker.

I think that after a hard days work that a man or woman deserve to pay for their shelter first; before some politicain takes their money to pay one of his neighbors to study astroids in Zenon. Am I asking too much? I don't think so. Well, the reprsentative is supposed to be representing you, but we refuse to hold them accountable; so they stick to us time and time again. And we spend our time blaming things that matter little.

I know I am making sense, please tell me where I am wrong.
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"I know you are asking today, "How long will it take?" (Speak, sir) Somebody's asking, "How long will prejudice blind the visions of men, darken their understanding, and drive bright-eyed wisdom from her sacred throne?" Somebody's asking, "When will wounded justice, lying prostrate on the streets of Selma and Birmingham and communities all over the South, be lifted from this dust of shame to reign supreme among the children of men?" Somebody's asking, "When will the radiant star of hope be plunged against the nocturnal bosom of this lonely night, (Speak, speak, speak) plucked from weary souls with chains of fear and the manacles of death? How long will justice be crucified, (Speak) and truth bear it?" (Yes, sir) I come to say to you this afternoon, however difficult the moment, (Yes, sir) however frustrating the hour, it will not be long, (No sir) because "truth crushed to earth will rise again." (Yes, sir) How long? Not long, (Yes, sir) because "no lie can live forever." (Yes, sir) How long? Not long, (All right. How long) because "you shall reap what you sow." (Yes, sir)"


exerpts from Dr. Martin luther King's speech.
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Disciple, I don't think anyone on this board said it was a racial issue. They were simply addressing the original post. I think at time you sometimes imply or suggest that it is. I know YOU don't think it's that kind of party but you sometimes throw it on the table and then spank us for addressing it.
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Carey,

Just saying that there is a much bigger issue at play here than the " someone is blaming the niggar story" that's all i am saying. Somehow that always seems to get past us, or at least we don't talk about it.

Someone call us "niggah" and we are all up in arms ( I know i am guilty too, that word sets me off). Someone defrauds us out of billions and you can hear the crickets chirp. Just can't understand it, that's all.
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Black people are at the bottom of the totem pole, so it's only natural that injustice becomes synonomous with black folks. When they sought to fulfill the American dream of buying a home of their own, Blacks were exploited by a system stacked against them, and victimized by their own ignorance. As usual.
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Cynique;

What you say is true as a "statement of condition" not as a "statement of fact".

Meaning it doesn't have to be this way and we have the power to change it.
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Well, it's a fact until a change occurs. If a condition exists then it's a reality and reality is a fact, and I don't whether we have the power to change things or not.
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If you treat it as a fact then it will never change. But not to debate the issue, because most have already excepted it as such.
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I'm not sure I understand your answer. Did you mean to say "excepted" or "accepted"???
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Cyn,

Yes, Just having an ebonics moment, that's all!

Consider. In 1708, it was a "fact" that Negro were slaves from a physical perspective. Yet some refused to mentally accept that "fact" so that by "2008" we are no longer slaves physically; though one could make a strong counter-claim on our mental part.
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I'm admittedly hyper-critical which is why I am vexed by all of those who wax supreme but, in the course of doing so, misspell and misuse and omit words. Being "detail-oriented" doesn't seem to be their strong suit and this undermines the points they are trying to make. IMO.
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Cyn,

I understand and I think that to some extent your point is valid. But I have also observed that the "white man" has always used these "small errors" to totally invalidated the natural intelligence of an individual; or race for that matter.

The primary purpose of words, in this sense, is to convey intelligent thought and ideas. If a word is misspelled or misused, but yet the thought is clear and cohesive, should one dismiss the entire thought? I say not, unless the objective is to find fault and dismiss that person to begin with.

It has never been my objective to "wax supreme" on this issue, just to share what I know with others so that they can benefit from the knowledge and experience that I have been given. While I am posting here I am watching stocks, doing numerous calculations, and communicating with thoousands of subscribers, so sometimes I don't "proof" my messages. Besides I am beyond the point of having to prove myself; I have nothing to gain or lose personally.

Lastly, I am extremely detail-oriented, where it matters. My writing skills leave much to be desired, but I know my thought process is as sound as any alive.
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I agree that requiring a person to be "detail oriented" is a form of nit-picking. But paying attention to the little things can go a long way in warding off criticism. It pays not to give your detractors grist for their mills.
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Cyn;

Thought all weekend about this. I have concluded that if individuals want to find fault in you , they will go to great lenghts to find it. Blacks have been conditioned to hate and invaliadte each other for century and I think it has become almost instinctive. I have welcomed critique on the fundamentals of my ideas, since these will usually help me to get better. So far, I haven't heard any on those; just me. Is that the purpose of this board?

All I have offered is a way for you to not be indebt, save or make you hundreds of thousands to millions, and have more control of your financial destiny simply by requiring that your representatives be more accountable to you. Why I would have any detractors to this is beyond me. Where's the fault in that?
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If you spent the whole week-end mulling over this, Disciple, and you now feel the need to defend yourself, then your thin skin is showing, and you are bordering on the neighborhood of victimhood.

In the first place, you take all of this much too seriously. I don't think anybody was really rejecting you. Some of us questioned your ideas, others may have just shrugged at your comments. Your posts were so long and detailed, I suspect many might not have even finished reading them. And your unsolicited dissertations may have been a little easier to digest had you not taken on the role of "Savior". People tend to view with a jaundiced eye anyone who makes extravagant claims whether they are justified or not. Don't be miffed if folks didn't respond to the information you "volunteered" to dispense to them. Could be they just didn't find what you have to say that compelling. Who knows?

The luke warm reaction you got here is typical for anyone who blitzes the board. Stop pouting and seeking the approval of others. If you believe in yourself, then their indifference shouldn't matter.
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Cyn,

Victimhood? Pouting? Approval? How so?

You misconstrue my post; but point well taken. The zeal that I had was relative to the gravity of the situation, but I guess time will show that. And some solutions require joint efforts, not single minded determination. I just know a lot of people will be crushed by this and trying to be helpful, that's all. I tried to be thought provoking and Instead all I did was provoke, my bad! But thanks for the reality check, really.
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Disciple, you are doing a good job. I don't have to tell you this but I will. Whenever the critique falls below not what you say but how you wrote it, you are batting a thousand! It's not your problem, it's theirs. Believe me, someone is listening and they all ain't on that dumb shyt. Of course your approach can be sharpened but keep working it my brotha, I like that in you.

Hey, maybe you can help me with this one. It's not about money or world affairs, check this out. I was visiting a friend the other night and her "ex" knocked on the door. We'll ol'girl opened the door and said she had company. he sort of stepped through and looked at me. I stood and extended my hand. We did our thang and I told her to talk with the man cause it didn't have anything to do with me. But check game, the man left and came BACK about an hour later ...he knocked real hard. Now I am a little uncomfortable. Of course am thinking what does this fool want now. Again, it ain't got nothing to do with me but now am thinking maybe it does. I know I wouldn't have put myself out there like that. You know, come over someones house when they have company. The first time was cool but hey, this wasn't looking good. Man, I've been through some storms and ain't trying to go back there but the brotha done put me in a bad spot. Plus, my natural instincts kicked in. I can't let this man do anything to this women, you feel me. I was trying to let them do their thang but man ...I was in some mess.

As a man I want to take it to the brotha and ask him if there's anything me and him need to talk about. But human emotion is a hard thang to judge and I need a little advise on this one.
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Carey,

That one is tough. I think the first thing to consider is the length of the "ex'. If it was a few weeks ago, feelings might still be running hot, That's why those rebound relationship can be so tough. In any event you might want to consider meeting on more neutral grounds in until things simmer down. I would have a real heart to heart with her as to the extent of the relationship. It might be nothing, it might be something, I think you need to know.
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Well, Disciple, you appeared to be a tad crestfallen because people here didn't show enough enthusiasm for your advice. You also seemed to feel that you were being picked upon. That's why I said what I said.

As for the merits of what you say as opposed to how you say it, for me I tend to lose focus when I am distracted by bad grammar, misspellings and incorrectly-used words. Yes, on this board, this is a forgivable sin. On a professional level, however, I would find these careless lapses inexcusable.
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Cyn,

As I have openly admitted, I am not a writer, so you are only stating the obvious. The fact is, what I submitted is not about me and my desire "woo" you intellects, so I am in no way "crestfallen" and I am not shedding any tears. Besides, the plan has received quite a bit of attention and discussion elsewhere, just not here. But then again it was only meant to open a discussion on the "merit" of an idea, not as a finished body of work.

I write on at least an 8th grade level so I know that I am not totally incoherent. I guess, based on what my subscribers pay me, they value the thought process over the literary body of work. I'm doing too bad. Despite this, I could probably make a lot more If it were edited So I would appreciate it if you would edit my post and point these mistakes out, It would be a huge help to me and only improve me. Thanks!
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Cyn,

As I have openly admitted, I am not a writer, so you are only stating the obvious. The fact is, what I submitted is not about me and my desire "woo" you intellects, so I am in no way "crestfallen" and I am not shedding any tears. Besides, the plan has received quite a bit of attention and discussion elsewhere, just not here. But then again it was only meant to open a discussion on the "merit" of an idea, not as a finished body of work.

I write on at least an 8th grade level so I know that I am not totally incoherent. I guess, based on what my subscribers pay me, they value the thought process over the literary body of work. I'm not doing too bad. Despite this, I could probably make a lot more If it were edited So I would appreciate it if you would edit my post and point these mistakes out, It would be a huge help to me and only improve me. Thanks!
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There you go again Carey - putting some poor woman's business out in the world-wide-street.

Disciple – don’t take it personally. The board has been really slow for the past couple of weeks and that may be why hardly anyone has responded to your posts. Yes, the situation is serious and I believe everyone that posts here knows that. I just don’t see what a whole lot of discussion on the AALBC board is gonna do for it.

I’ll give you this though – everyone has a chance to “do something” about their representatives since they’re all up for re-election in a few weeks.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/
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Excuse me ...did someone say "Crestfallen"?!?!

The man has not wavered. The man has addressed all comers. I wonder why we try to divide? I am really try to understand why some of us love dropping salt, why we "dry" hate? I wonder if that's similar to a man that slaps his wife and then says he was drunk or that she made him do it?
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You are not an "author", you are a "techician", Disciple. Expository writing doesn't require creativity or talent. All it calls for is the professionalism exhibited by an accurate use of language.
I am not in the business of editing. It is your responsibility to double-check what you are not sure about. That's where being detailed-oriented comes in. These are my opinions and observations. They are probably old school. Nowadays, people are inclined to be less meticulous.
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Hey baby ...how youu doing Crystal?

There's one thang you ain't never got to worry about ...YOU & ME. Oh no, I ain't trying to see every man knockin' down your door because I said how delicious you are *wink*.

I am going to keep that sweet bliss to myself. But look, I wasn't telling HER business I was trying to see how I could maybe stay out of the penitentary. Besides, the only thang I said was she was divorced ...maybe I said "Ex". Anyway, the world knows that, they haven't been together in over 3yrs, so shut your big mouth.

Oh, I get it, you ain't crying today because your Bruins finally beat somebody. Or maybe it's because you still love me *lol*. I love you too. Now stop flirting and get back to work, if that's what you call it. Grown folks up in here talkin'.
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Well, Carey, any time a person spends a whole week-end ruminating about what he has posted on the board and then goes on the defensive, expressing dismay as to why people didn't respond, then referring to him as being "crestfallen" is not a stretch.

And while you're wondering why people attempt to divide, even as you yourself seek to divide I, like Crystal, wonder why you think your "love" life is of such concern to others???
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Cyn,

I don't quite understand your message did you mean "technician" as opposed to "techician"?

I'll assume you did, and you are right. The audience that I write to are prepared to act on the information so timeliness takes precedent over form. Every additional second could translate into millions made or lost, so who the hell cares about a comma.

Crystal, discussions, if constructive, brings enlightenment and empowerment.

Q:Why were the rum makers in Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands able to get $169,000,000 out of this package while black homeowners will either lose their homes our pay hundreds of thousands in interest to stay in them?


A:Because they were talking to the right people at the right time.
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. Yes, I did create a typo, Disciple. I assume you did, too, when you wrote "discussions brings enlightenment and empowerment" instead of discussions bring enlightenment and empowerment.

And I also question as to why it never occurred to a "multi-dimensional" person like you to attribute some of your errors to typos and haste rather than copping a plea about not having writing skills.
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Cyn-Cyn, okay, I can see your point on the "crestfallen" thang.

I don't think we want to do the "what's interesting" thang ...now do we?! Just like I mentioned to my man Disciple, some posts move quickly to file 13.

You've posted almost 13,000 times and do we need to go there?

Hey, I was just looking for a little advise ...you know. File it under "black culture".

I am so glad you responded. I was beginning to think you didn't love me anymore :-) ...**The Door Swings Open**

Okay damnit ...what'cha reading? ...what do you think of the political landscape? Is your 401K tight? What's Al Sharpton doing these days. Who's babies momma is doing who. Should Usher stop seeing his galpal?

There, are you "interested" *lol*.

Speaking of love life. Are you and Chris still making people jealous? Opps, we don't want to talk about that.
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Hey Crystal,

What is your email address?
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A_womon?????? ...ahh, 499!
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I've never met or even talked to chrishayden, Carey. But, of course, that makes no difference to someone like you who is a conclusion-jumper with an imagination that works over time.
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Oh come on Cyn-cyn, you can fool some of the people some of the time.
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"I've never met or even talked to chrishayden, Carey. But, of course, that makes no difference to someone like you who is a conclusion-jumper with an imagination that works over time."

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Ntfs, if you put that laughing prick on there one more time.....
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Are you calling me a liar, Carey? Enough is enough and I'm gettin sick of your ongoing "wink-wink" insinuations and accusations that there is something happening between me and chrishayden when there isn't. This is just an example of how you operate; thinking you're in the know about shyt when you ain't. I sent Chris a copy of my book and we briefly corresponded by e-mail a long time ago when my husband was still alive and that was it. So STFU.
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Keep the laughs coming, NTFS. They make a good foot note for Carey's ridiculous observations.
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Clowns on the left of me, jokers on the right, stuck in the middle with you.

No ma'am, I ain't calling you a liar.
But I am lost for words. First it's Ntsf's Prick Face and then your "STFU" with a tongue hanging out.

That's some mean stuff. I didn't say you and Chris actually did anything. I just said you were seen entering an area known for various activity. Now of course it could be a case of mistaken identity.

But please, I can't do the cussing thang with ya. I could but I don't want all the hate mail.

Hot soup ...that's it. Hot soup and a Viacodan.

Pssst....chill. It ain't about you, I don't know you.
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Well, then act like you don't know me, Scarey, instead of disrespecting the memory of my husband as you slither around like a snake who has escaped from its charmer.
And maybe you should try some viagra instead of vicodin so you can f*ck yourself.
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Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 09:07 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh no Cyn-Cyn, you didn't say viagra! See, that's part of my problem. It said on the box that if it lasts for longer than 4 hours I was suppose to call somebody. Well,I think I've been calling the wrong somebodies *wink*.

Okay OK...although I really think they know this but...it's time I tell everyone that I don't know you or Chris and have never seen or heard of you two doing anything. It was all a bad joke. I am sorry!

Dang, you've put a hole in my routine. I think I'll support the board by clicking on a few banners and invite some friends to do the same.

But you did bring up an interesting thought. I am going to read that box one more time. I don't know if it said anything about extension?... talking about a slithering snake.

Let me stop, see what you've done *lol*.

Let's move onto some interesting stuff like the Stock Market. The last time I check I was getting poorer by the minute. Oh well, the price of gas has been coming down. Lets see, lose $10,000 in a week and gain $6.50. Something ain't right. I know what I will do. I'll call the FDA and tell them to put a stop on Viagra because it seems like we all are getting screwed...excuse the French.

Now I am really lost for words. I can't talk about you and Chris or at least like I used to and I have to keep my participation to topics that are interesting...man, I think I'll just stick my finger in my ass until I come up with something. This could hurt :-).
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Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 01:11 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You can talk about me all you want, Carey, as long as you stick to the truth - something you seem to have trouble doing.
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Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 05:26 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Okay Cynique, that's a deal if you agree to do the same and take back all the names you've called me. Lets see, there's Carey The Clod, Curry, Scarecrow, Left-over, Blow Hard, Flannel Mouth, Busybody Gadabout, Renaissance Man (I like that one), Plagued By The Devil,Pug Nose, Board Tattletale and Scarey, just to name a few.

Now, take all of them back and we can start from go :-).
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2008 - 12:28 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Calling you names is not the same as telling lies about you, Carey, especially if there is a grain of truth in the "titles" I gave you. The point is, is that I've never cast you in a false scenario. That's your MO.
And it doesn't make me any difference whether we "start from the go or not".
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Posted on Wednesday, October 08, 2008 - 04:19 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Well, then act like you don't know me, Scarey, instead of disrespecting the memory of my husband as you slither around like a snake who has escaped from its charmer. And maybe you should try some viagra instead of vicodin so you can f*ck yourself."

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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 03:07 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ntsf, I hope you have a king size bed, those Pom Poms could make thangs a little tight.

Hold that dress down, you're showing your scar.
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 02:21 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Carey, ya know.....ummmm.....you've made yourself somewhat of a punching bag around here with your predictable obtuse comments and disastrous attempts at humor. Not tryin' to throw kerosene into the fire, but you really need to rework your methodology bro. Just a suggestion......Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 03:15 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ntsf, I hear you my brother. Those dancing pricks and other toys{gif's}you are so fond of are oh so cleaver as well. I don't invision a punching bag, it's more like a Dick Head....Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

I bet you were the kid that got their pants pulled down in the school yard. You should have taken advantage of that and found so warm soil to put your nuts in. Maybe you could have grown a pair. Military huh...don't ask don't tell. You can only fake the funk for so long. Call it obtuse if you want but you and others know exactly what I am talking about. Look man, now don't take this wrong but you can't be married to a black women. She would slap the SHYT out of you and put panties under your tree. You don't have to answer that. Your posts have already done that for you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, negrotrotious, niggatoadious, coonerydelicious, spectacalactous...dat be me, Ha,ha, HA!

Are we there yet? Are we done?
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 03:55 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

”I bet you were the kid that got their pants pulled down in the school yard.”

Nope. Not hardly. Unlike you, I did not have to prove my gender. Next…..

”You should have taken advantage of that and found so warm soil to put your nuts in. Maybe you could have grown a pair.”

Ummmm….This is the third time you’ve made a comment about male genitals when there was no reason to do so. Is there something you want to confess about yourself Carey? It’s ok to do so because most readers in this forum are not homophobic nor against transgenders. It’s fairly liberal around here. So, please don’t feel you have to remain in the closet. Ok….?

”Military huh...don't ask don't tell.”

Yep. I loved my career and I had a ball. Been to many countries and seen things the average person will never see. And you? Did you do a tour? No….? Uh huh…….

’You can only fake the funk for so long.”

Thank you! You’re finally getting the message. I can appreciate that. Better late than never….

”Look man, now don't take this wrong but you can't be married to a black women. She would slap the SHYT out of you and put panties under your tree.”

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! You don’t get it do you? What does being married to a black woman have to do with this conversation? Where in the hell did that come from?? Slap the shyt out of me? Why? Because you are having problems writing connected readable posts? Because you’re a failed comedian? A black woman would slap me because of your short comings? Wow! I said it before, I’ll say it again, please put down the…….never mind….just stay focused bro –stay focused. Ok….???

”You don't have to answer that. Your posts have already done that for you. “

Ya got that right! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

”Are we there yet? Are we done?”

Uhhhhhhhh…..Yeah. I would say so. Moving on…….
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Posted on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 04:16 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yep...Air Force...also loved it.

In fact, did a tour as a MC with a troupe, among other thangs.

Okay....done...moving on....

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