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Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 7368
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 10:07 am: | 
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Oh those two snakes know how to do it,do't they? Tuesday night Hillary sounded like wood and looked like she was at a funeral. Wednesday night if you just heard Bill's voice you'd have thought he was down--but a look at his face and you could tell he didn't mean a damn nice thing he said about Obama.
And in both their speeches it was all about them.
At the vote you notice how the Governor and Charles Shumer had Hillary by both arms, propelling her to the dias. Looked like them two Dallas policemen holding Oswald up while Ruby gave it to him in the gut.
And none of her Rattlesnakes was fooled by Pelosi not taking a "Nay" vote (an old Chicago trick--ask for the ayes and say they have it before you get the nays to sound off and make it non unanimous.
Nobody's fooled.
Obama had better hit it out of the park tonight--fall on his knees, cry, point to the flag, talk about his dead mama--or he's been drilled again. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 12794
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 10:31 am: |
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Oh give it a rest, chrishayden. You're just miffed because the Clintons didn't disrupt the convention the way you hoped they would just so you could gloat. You're the one with egg on your face, still naive enough to think that the Hill & Bill are the exception, not the rule in the game of politics. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 12796
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 11:17 am: |
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Because you are so irrational and paranoid and vengeful, chrishayden, you see things that aren't there, and have difficulty grasping the possibility that The Clintons realized it was not in the cards for Hillary, and that sometimes you have to resign yourself to the tide of history.
If they had wanted to, the Clintons could have very easily created a scene at the convention but, unlike you, they are not foolish. |
Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 3157
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 11:25 am: |
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Chris, chill. No more political coverage for you. Only "America's Funniest Home videos" or "Dancing with the Stars" for you for the next 30 days. LOL  |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 7371
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 11:27 am: |
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If they had wanted to, the Clintons could have very easily created a scene at the convention but, unlike you, they are not foolish.
(They ain't stupid. If they had created a scene, they would have gotten the hook. Microphone problems. The band would have started playing Hail to the Chief. Suddenly dozens of delegates would have drowned them out with cheers.
You aren't old as you claim you are. You don't remember 1968--or have never been to a political rally.
Go to one.
You will see--Republican, Democrat, Nazi, Communist, it is the same mindless herd behavior.
They are counting on most people to get teared up and start yelling and not realize what is going on.
Which, with you, and several Negroes I saw on tv crying (what is wrong with you people? When are you going to start acting civilized in public?)it worked. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 7373
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 11:43 am: |
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I had not seen this before I posted the above.
Apparently I am not alone--
Analysis: Denver seems like the Clinton Convention
Aug 28, 3:14 AM (ET)
By JENNIFER LOVEN
Rarely in the history of American political conventions has the losing side received so much time and attention as this week in Denver.
Barack Obama has been forced, by the clout Hillary Rodham Clinton showed in their primary battle and his need for her voters in his race against Republican John McCain, to allow the gathering of Democrats to look a lot like the Clinton Convention.
The first day, Monday, was dominated by daylong dealmaking between the Clinton and Obama camps over ground rules for the nominating roll call.
The second day's highlight was Clinton's address. Former Virginia Gov. Mark Warner, designated the official convention keynote speaker, was just a footnote in television and newspaper reports. By contrast, among the most replayed shots of the night was of a still-fuming Bill Clinton, tightlipped and teary, watching his wife from a Pepsi Center skybox.
Then came Wednesday, day three of four, when the former president himself spoke. He garnered as much or more attention than what was supposed to be the evening's marquee event, the speech from vice presidential nominee Joe Biden.
As the evening's final speaker, Biden held the so-called prime-time slot. Yet, in Eastern and Central time zones, Biden wound up on TV after many folk's bedtimes and it was Bill Clinton people saw, being cheered so roundly that he had to plead "Please stop ... Please sit" to be heard.
"I love this," the former president said as delegates cheered and cheered for him through a speech that, characteristically, went on longer than it was meant to.
Another surprisingly Clinton-focused event was Wednesday's roll call vote. It climaxed with Obama's acclamation as the Democratic candidate for president - but only after Clinton amassed hundreds of still-diehard delegates and requested the process be shut down to make the night officially Obama's.
Meanwhile, in interviews prominent Clintonites dumped on Team Obama's convention strategy. James Carville carped that the party's message is missing in action in Denver. Paul Begala ridiculed Warner's plan to talk "post-partisan."
It was easy to lose sight of what Bill and Hillary Clinton said from the podium. Their message - forcefully, graciously and unequivocally delivered by both, whatever their private feelings might be: Put the past in the past, get behind Obama and don't let McCain win.
Obama aides insist that by Friday, in the glow of Obama's speech before tens of thousands at a Denver football stadium and history-making ascendance as the nation's first black major-party nominee, they will have accomplished their goal and erased talk of the Clinton v. Obama story line. They say it wasn't a mistake to give the Clintons major roles that spread out over half the convention's four nights.
They had little choice. Clinton won 18 million votes in the bitterly fought primary races and only barely lost the nomination to Obama. The fear that those voters might stay home in November or even switch to McCain gave Clinton considerable leverage and she used it. For instance, Obama's people wanted Bill Clinton to introduce his wife, thereby containing the two Clintons to one night. It didn't happen.
Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, a Clinton supporter, said the Obama camp gets "an A-plus" for letting Clinton folks "exercise our emotions a little bit."
"It's sort of a smart thing because I think the Clinton delegations are going to leave Denver with a high regard for the Obama forces," he said.
What Obama risked by giving Clinton so much time was losing precious minutes from a convention otherwise designed to convince voters that he's qualified as commander in chief and understands their everyday problems.
There are risks for Clinton too. If Obama loses this year, she is all but certain to make another run at the White House in four years and thus needs to keep her support alive. And to win over Obama's backers.
Hillary Clinton stalwarts see an opportunity for her to emerge from this convention stronger than she came in. Major donors, including many who have been out of touch for a while, are promising to provide whatever she needs to stay viable.
But it's delicate. For if Clinton is seen as fanning her own flames too much, she could get a big share of the blame for any Obama failure. And then her 2012 chances would be severely diminished.
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EDITOR'S NOTE - Jennifer Loven covers the White House for The Associated Press. Nedra Pickler, who writes on politics for the AP, contributed to this report from Denver. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 12798
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 12:37 pm: |
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Face it, crissy. People like you and your ilk are malcontents. You create sinister scenarios in your mind and think a Hillary-backer is hiding behind every tree, plotting Obama's doom. You labor under the illusion that you can't be fooled and that everyone else is misled. 
The American people are who will write the script for this drama, not a bunch of hacks like you furtive fools.  |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 12799
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 01:17 pm: |
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I witnessed the 1968 riots at the Chicago Democratic convention and it was typical of what was happening during this era of protest. So what's your point, crissy??
Yes, political conventions are organized chaos and as such they come up with a candidate who weathers the storm. Each party wages a campaign and their candidate either wins or loses, by hook or crook. And so it goes.
Now go back to your nook, hiding under the rafters, ever-vigilant for signs of a conspiracy. Woooooo. |
Nels
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Username: Nels
Post Number: 1215
Registered: 07-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 09:09 pm: |
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Chris --
"Oh those two snakes know how to do it,do't they? Tuesday night Hillary sounded like wood and looked like she was at a funeral. Wednesday night if you just heard Bill's voice you'd have thought he was down--but a look at his face and you could tell he didn't mean a damn nice thing he said about Obama."
Believe it or not, Chris, I would tend to agree with the wood and funeral analogies for Hillary and that Bill didn't come off as enthusiastic as he could have been. Both of them were missing the real (preacher in the pulpit) fire that the convention has been lacking so far. A (successful) new kind of politics that leads to success? We'll see what happens. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 12803
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 11:49 pm: |
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Hillary Clinton waged a hard fought battle and suffered a disappointing loss. Why would she and Bill be jubilant and eager? She bit the bullet and did what she had to do: endorsed her party member. He took on the role of statesman and pledged his support. What more should be expected of them, and if these 2 just go through the motions of campaigning for Obama, then so damned what? What's the big deal??? |
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