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Abm
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Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 10:53 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Clinton upsets Obama in NH; McCain wins By DAVID ESPO and PHILIP ELLIOTT, Associated Press

CONCORD, N.H. - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton won New Hampshire's Democratic primary Tuesday night in a startling upset, defeating Sen. Barack Obama and resurrecting her bid for the White House. Sen. John McCain powered past his Republican rivals and back into contention for the GOP nomination.

Clinton's victory capped a comeback from last week's third-place finish in the Iowa caucuses and raised the possibility of a long battle for the party nomination between the most viable black candidate in history and the former first lady, who is seeking to become the first woman to occupy the Oval Office...
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Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 12:41 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yeah, Good old husband Bill had to ride in and save old crying ass HILLARY Clinton. If it hadn't been for him the democratic race would've been over tonight! It's all good though. It makes things exciting. We haven't had This much excitement over an election in quite a while. If she wins everyone knows the new president's name will be BILLARY CLINTON
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Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 12:46 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

aaND she barely won by the skin of her teeth. it is only a two point victory
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Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 01:06 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If Obama were white, would he be a shoe-in for the nomination? The late night media such as MSNBC is already talking about what white voters do when they go "behind the curtain" in the voting booth to vote. One thing's for sure; if Obama doesn't win the nomination and another 9/11 happens in the next presidency, then all of those who couldn't get past his race might end up sulking in the misery of their own ignorance and stupidity. Hmmm...
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Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 01:12 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Senator Clinton was always ahead in NH.
This isn't a suprise. Senator Obama may want to rethink his strategy of ganging up on Senator Clinton. It gets women "fired up."

BTW, I predict the stock market will be up tomorrow. Ever since Senator Obama won Iowa, the stock market has been in the red. I am not sure if there is a connection, but Wall Street could be nervous about a Obama presidency.
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Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 11:23 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This is as it should be. It is far too early for any of the major candidates to think it is all over. On the Dem side, 2 candidates each have just 1 state, both of those were close, and Obama only leads by 1 delegate. Repeat: It is early. And whoever you're backing, there is still much to be done to get your horse in this race!
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Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 11:57 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

at Nels. Gee, guy, I understand that you're geeked cuz you finally found a leader you can identify with but you've gone overboard with the notion that if another 911 should occur, Obama would handle the situation better than any of the other canidates running for president. Why? Because his middlel name is Hussein?
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Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 12:08 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes, pundits seemed to have underestimated the power of women. When females perceive that one of their own is being ganged up on by her male opponents and constantly ridiculed and dissed, great numbers of them will come to the rescue of their sister. Especially the older ones because they remember the days when women were oppressed second class citizens.
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Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 01:36 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Like this one?

OBAMA WUZ ROBBED! I TOLD YOU SO!

January 08, 2008
Read More: Bill Clinton

Brazile on Bill: 'Depressing'


On CNN today, Donna Brazile lit into Bill Clinton with a vehemence that raised eyebrows in both of their circles:

Brazile: I could understand his frustration at this moment. But, look, he shouldn't take out all his pain on Barack Obama. It's time that they regroup. Figure out what Hillary needs to do to get her campaign back on track. It sounds like sour grapes coming from the former commander in chief. Someone that many Democrats hold in high esteem. For him to go after Obama, using a fairy tale, calling him as he did last week. It's an insult. And I will tell you, as an African-American, I find his tone and his words to be very depressing.

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Blitzer: But tell me why, as an African-American, Donna, you feel that the president's comments weren't appropriate.

Brazile: First of all, if Bill Bennett [also on the show] had said some of the things that Bill Clinton is saying about Barack Obama, I would have called Bill Bennett out of his name and said that Bill Bennett should shut his mouth because he is not speaking in the right tone. I think his tone, I think calling Barack Obama a kid, he is a United States senator. He's experienced. The people of Illinois elected him, and regardless of what kind of items are on his résumé, this is a man who has worked all his life. He's proven; he's been a college professor. I don't have to give Barack Obama a résumé. I'm not for anyone at this point. But I think for Bill Clinton to go out of his way to become a distraction to Hillary Clinton and to launch the kind of attack on Obama is just out of character for Bill Clinton. I think it's time he helps Hillary talk about her message and not go down this road.



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Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 01:48 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

How does this prove that the Clintons "stole" the election, chrishayden?? Maybe ol Bill was fed up with the unfair way the media was treating his wife by holding a woman candidate to a higher standard, while giving the male candidates a pass so they could continue to gang up on her.
You have no credibility where this issue is concerned because you are obsessed with your hatred for the Clintons and can't think straight.
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Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 02:35 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Donna Brazille says Senator Obama was a college professor? LIke that is a good thing?? LOL
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Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 02:56 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A black man in America can't win NONE of 'em
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Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 - 04:37 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Poor chrissy. He's so crestfallen over one defeat. He's like a child who is upset because his toy needs new batteries, never taking into consideration that dead batteries are not an indication of a broken toy.
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Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2008 - 08:28 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Actually...

Donna Brazille was trying to call Bill Clinton’s comments racist, and Wolf Blitzer rightfully asked her what about these remarks are racist again?


Donna Brazile Hints Bill Clinton's Obama Attacks Racially Offensive


By Brad Wilmouth
January 9, 2008 - 01:19 ET

On Tuesday's The Situation Room, CNN's liberal political analyst Donna Brazile, formerly an advisor to both Bill Clinton and Al Gore, hinted that she was racially offended by some of the former President's recent attacks on Barack Obama. Invoking Clinton's labeling of Obama as a "kid," and his accusation that some of Obama's claims are a "fairy tale," Brazile expressed that, "as an African-American," she found Clinton's comments "depressing." Brazile: "For him to go after Obama using 'fairy tale,' calling him a 'kid,' as he did last week, it's an insult. And I tell you, as an African-American, I find his words and his tone to be very depressing." (Transcript follows)

At about 4:50 p.m., while the liberal Brazile was appearing with conservative talk radio host Bill Bennett during the show's regular "Strategy Session" segment, CNN anchor Wolf Blitzer played a clip of some of Clinton's words from earlier in the day, as he described Clinton as "lashing out against the Obama campaign."

BILL CLINTON: You said in 2004 you didn't know how you would have voted on the resolution, you said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war, and you took that speech you're now running on off your Web site in 2004, and there's no difference in your voting record and Hillary's ever since. Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairytale I've ever seen.


Brazile responded that she could "understand his frustration," but that his words were "sour grapes" before she hinted at believing the comments sounded racially offensive.

DONNA BRAZILE: It sounds like sour grapes coming from the former Commander-in-Chief, someone that many Democrats hold in high esteem. For him to go after Obama using "fairy tale," calling him a "kid," as he did last week, it's an insult. And I tell you, as an African-American, I find his words and his tone to be very depressing.


Blitzer soon asked Brazile to elaborate on why she felt, "as an African-American," that "the President's comments weren't appropriate?"

Brazile complained about Clinton's "tone" and contended that if anyone else had made such a statement that she would tell him he "should shut his mouth because he is not speaking in the right tone."

BRAZILE: I think his tone, I think calling Barack Obama a "kid," he's a United States Senator, he's experienced, the people of Illinois elected him, and regardless of what kind of items on his resume, this is a man who has worked all his life. ... I think, for Bill Clinton to go out of his way to become a distraction to Hillary Clinton, and to launch the kind of attacks on Obama is just out of character for Bill Clinton.


Below is a transcript of the relevant comments from the Tuesday January 8 The Situation Room on CNN:

WOLF BLITZER: Here is a clip. We played a little bit of it earlier. I want to just play it for you, what the former President said in lashing out against the Obama campaign.

BILL CLINTON: You said in 2004 you didn't know how you would have voted on the resolution, you said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war, and you took that speech you're now running on off your Web site in 2004, and there's no difference in your voting record and Hillary's ever since. Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairytale I've ever seen.

BLITZER: Were you surprised to hear the former President going at it like that?

DONNA BRAZILE: I can understand his frustration at this moment, but, look, he shouldn't take out all his pain on Barack Obama. It's time that they regroup, figure out what Hillary needs to do to get her campaign back on track. It sounds like sour grapes coming from the former Commander-in-Chief, someone that many Democrats hold in high esteem. For him to go after Obama using "fairy tale," calling him a "kid," as he did last week, it's an insult. And I tell you, as an African-American, I find his words and his tone to be very depressing.

BLITZER: You know, as I said earlier, you have campaign staffers who are supposed to do that kind of talking, whether a Terry McAuliffe or any of the other top people in the campaign, but for the former President to be doing that, it does underscore a certain frustration.

[BILL BENNETT]

BLITZER: But tell me why, as an African-American, Donna, you feel that the President's comments weren't appropriate?

BRAZILE: Well, first of all, if Bill Bennett had said some of the things Bill Clinton is saying about Barack Obama, I would have called Bill Bennett out of his name and said that Bill Bennett should shut his mouth because he is not speaking in the right tone. I think his tone, I think calling Barack Obama a "kid," he's a United States Senator, he's experienced, the people of Illinois elected him, and regardless of what kind of items on his resume, this is a man who has worked all his life. He has proven, he's been a college professor, I don't have to give Barack Obama a resume, I'm not for anyone at this point. But I think, for Bill Clinton to go out of his way to become a distraction to Hillary Clinton, and to launch the kind of attacks on Obama is just out of character for Bill Clinton. I think it's time that he helps Hillary talk about her message and not go down this road.


(Tonya: And here's a picture of Donna Brazille


You know, for a guy who spent his entire campaign trying to deny the reality of so many Black people, denying that racism even exist, man, he sure doesn't waste any time getting his surrogates to scream racism at any question or criticism that comes his way.)


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2008/01/09/donna-brazile-hints-bill-clintons-obama-attacks-racially-offensive
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Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2008 - 09:03 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

AND Donna Brazille is a Boogie Black Niggrerrr. What makes her think she can speak on behalf of poor Black women and the poor Black masses, anyway? She must didn't read HER OWN RESULTS in the latest Pew research. We're. Not. Kin.

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Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2008 - 11:28 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

As I suspected the stock market was up yesterday after Hillary's win. Investors are more comfortable with a known quantity like a Clinton. Senator Obama better reassure his wealthy friends that it will be business as usual if he is elected.
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Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2008 - 12:03 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I do agree that if Bill Clinton wants to help his wife he needs to keep his mouth shut or he will start alienating more and more black folks who are very sensitive about certain buzz words. I'm beginning to wonder if the wounds the candidates are inflicting on each other will be so easily healed after the Democratic convention selects its candidate?

Al Sharpton is going ballistic over some female sportscaster saying that young golfers probably want to take Tiger Woods down an alley and lynch him. She later apologized and Tiger, who is partial to blond blue-eyed women, accepted her apology saying he understood that she meant no harm.
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Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2008 - 06:03 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

No problem! It's done. Thanks Troy!
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Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 11:22 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynique, you are spot on about BC alienating black folks. There were a couple of angry black women callers on CSPAN this morning vowing never to vote for Hillary no matter what!!
If this is a divide and conquer black folks tactic by Senator Obama it is brilliant.
Unfortunately, the more Hillary is perceived as racist (which is ridiculous in my view) the more Senator Obama seeks to distance himself from "the race issue."

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