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Yvettep
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Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 11:55 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

CHERRY HILL, N.J. -- In the basement of the Cherry Hill Mall, Dante Moore, a first-time author from Washington, sits at a table tucked between two security gates in the entrance of a tiny Borders Express. Piled neatly on the table: about 20 copies of his book, waiting to be bought and signed.

Few passersby stop -- mostly women, mostly African American -- and they laugh a little at first when they notice the book's cover. They are tentative, but they are interested. After all, the cover is eye-catching: a man towers over two black women sitting in desks (those awful ones from high school with the wooden writing surface attached to the spindly metal chair, remember?) with the book's title, "The Re-Education of the Female," scrawled on a chalkboard. The "students" are listening in rapt attention. This must be every man's dream.

Moore's slim treatise purports to explain how women should go about sex, relationships and marriage -- according to men. Here is his mission as a self-described reeducator: "I want to express my anger and frustration as a man with the women I feel are miseducated, misinformed, and ill-prepared about their responsibilities in getting and maintaining a relationship with a man of quality," he writes in the introduction.

Moore, of course, considers himself just such a man. Read his book, ladies, and you can snag a catch just like him. Your responsibilities include cooking, staying skinny, wearing sexy things around the house and doing whatever your man tells you to do (because, Moore writes, "Here's a little secret, ladies: men never really ask for anything. They command. . . . And believe me, what you won't do, ten broads around the corner will.")

There have been several other books of this unvarnished ilk, recent releases that have both horrified and fascinated women: bestsellers such as "Rules of the Game" by Neil Strauss, and "He's Just Not That Into You" by Greg Behrendt and Liz Tuccillo. Evidently, what men need in order to be happy remains mystifying, despite all these books, so Moore hard-boils it down to three things: food, relaxation and, you know.

...It only took Moore seven months to research and write his book. He shopped it to a few publishing companies before it was picked up by Strebor Books, an imprint of Simon & Schuster and a company founded by Zane, a prolific African American erotica author who's built an impressive empire. Zane -- who persistently declines to reveal her real name to the media -- provided his big break. She threw the weight of her name behind Moore by putting "ZANE PRESENTS" on a banner across the cover.

Not that she agrees with his views; she just thinks he really is a typical man, and readers will be able to relate to the situations he writes about. "If he hadn't put his name on the book, I would've thought my ex-fiance wrote it," the Largo-based publisher says. "There are some men who feel exactly like he does. I feel like women should be forewarned and realize what's out there."

...A 14-year-old girl notices the display and pulls on her mother's hand; a few minutes later, she is bounding out of the store, clutching a copy of the book. "When you finish reading that, I want to read it next," her mother says to her as they walk away.

Maybe feminism is dead. Or maybe women are just humoring Moore (and men everywhere), reading his book and others for a good laugh.

If we're to believe the author: Women have been throwing themselves at him since the book's release. "Those dudes that think their woman just comes out to get a book signed are probably in for a rude awakening," he confides. "As I'm hugging them they're whispering right in my ear, so I'm loving it."

What do they whisper? "Stuff like, 'Can you write your number down?' or 'Where you gonna be after this?' " he says. "I mean, I would prefer something more sexual, but hey, that'll do."
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And so it is that in this messed-up world where relationships between men and women are plagued by misunderstandings, we are all to take lessons from a man who says his best decision as a teenager was to stop treating women well.


Full article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/27/AR2008082703400. html
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Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2008 - 04:25 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

All I could do as I read this was to chuckle. This guy makes the inadvertant statement that for for every woman who doesn't adhere to his standards that there are 10 others who will. What he is really revealing is that he prefers the hard-to-get ones, but will settle for the door mats.
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Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 12:18 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

These books ain't worth the paper they're printed on.
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Posted on Wednesday, September 03, 2008 - 12:55 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

LOL, uh oh...Chris and Cynique, y'all keep that up and next thing you know, Dante Moore will be running up here telling everybody about how many books he sold, blah, blah, blah...
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Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 12:57 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I caught that *lol*. Dang, my instigator skills are lacking. I wanted ol'boy to come back so I could get my beg on. Heck, he got all that loot I know he could flip for a book or two. Then again he didn't want to pay the cover charge. Come to think about it, trying to get a book out of him would be about as hard as me gettin' some sugar from Cyn-Cyn :-).
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Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 12:59 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

But I think ol'Dante is onto something....I think every women needs to read his book and stop playin'.
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Hey All,
I live in the Washington, DC and was APPALLED. Then again, there is no real surprise about the readership and his ability to capture a bottom fold front cover of the Washington Post Style section. I suppose I take most things too seriously - however the backlash that Black women are taking is INCREDIBLE. From the alleged liberation of video vixen to other self-prostituting women the moral floor has fallen and society has sunk to new lows. Ironically, there are new heights society has also attained -- from Iphones to Obama.
What I see as the outcome is a cleavage [no pun intended -- see I can be ribald] between humanity and human form - those persons masquerading as human. Thus, this "book" - I am glad that I live in country where opinions like the winds can blow - the deleterious effect of this tripe is what I don't like - similiar to walking on a spring day and being passed by a trash truck -- its still spring but now its funky -- ya dig --- peace

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ps just an aside -there is a white man in drag with a comedic act/persona Shirley Q Liquor http://www.shirleyqliquor.com/
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Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 10:50 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hello Soul Sister (always loved that name)

I know I am in the right place if you are here! I don't know about the rest of you but there are times when I've run into people from my past and they take me back. The experience either serve to make me very grateful or to remind me of who I've become ...good or bad. You dropping by, Soul Sister, has been one of those moments.

For all of you that may not know it, Soul sister has been visiting this board for several years (pre-register) and has always been .....well, "Soul Sister". Just after I said every women should read Dante Moore's book, She walks in the room. I believe she knew I was kidding but I felt like I got caught with my hands in the cookie jar.

Hello Soul Sister, it's always nice to hear from you.
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Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2008 - 04:50 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Brother Carey,
Its all good - I am learning to unstiffen my lip and loosen my mind on something -- then all of a sudden "da truth" rises up in my finger tips -- and off goes the post button -- I have always appreciated your warmth and humor -- Im mostly here lurking the background -thanks for the shoutout - peace brother -
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Posted on Friday, September 05, 2008 - 01:54 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I would have thought someone would have commented on Zane's involvement by now. Do you take it as a "warning" or an "endorsement"? Just a matter of "business is business"? Or is it irrelevant?
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Posted on Friday, September 05, 2008 - 02:01 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Zane has never been one to tout the virtues of being a discriminating female. But she do luv dat bottom line. Ka-Ching
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Posted on Friday, September 05, 2008 - 03:53 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Controversy Sells.

I reviewed a similar title four years ago. Below you will find the review. I'm sure this latest one is of the same cloth.

Yvettep: I'm sure your post just increased sales for the book. As for me, I'm down with some bell hooks kind of sh!t.

Here's the review of the other book:

Play or Be Played
Tariq "K-Flex" Nasheed
Fireside (Simon & Schuster)
ISBN 0743244923 $12.00 205 pp.


What you get if you combined the DNA of Dr. John Gray with Bishop Don Juan? You'd probably get Tariq "K-Flex" Nasheed, the author of "The Art of Mackin'." In his latest book, written for "women who are tired of being played by men and who want to be players themselves," Nasheed gives his wisdom from the streets to the women who are willing to hear his opinions on the dating scene. "Play or Be Played" is not your average advice book from a psychologist, relationship expert, or even talk-show host. Instead it is from a man who doesn't claim to be an intellectual and admits that he has no credentials other than being a former player himself.

Written primarily for African-American women, the book begins by explaining what the author believes what both men and women want most-an orgasm for him, attention for her. He also explains how men and women differ, men being the natural leaders of the world and women being the natural nurturers of the earth. He later lists what he believes are the various personality types of both women and men, which includes players, hoochies, drama queens, and scrubs.

"Play or Be Played" is best when sharing the secrets of games and lies men use with women. In fact, some players will probably get upset when they discover Nasheed is divulging the secrets from the Boys Room. It is especially entertaining when the author uses humor to make a point. Written with tons of street slang, i.e. "hit that ass" for sex, "Captain Save a Ho" for a man who may save a woman from poverty, and "chickenhead" for a woman living poverty with no game. You don't know what a chickenhead is? Don't worry. Nasheed provides a twenty question survey to help a woman determine if she is one or not.

While the book gets check marks for its raw, streetwise vernacular and its sense of humor, it will make some people cringe for its sweeping generalizations of genders and their roles (i.e. women need to let their men be kings and serve as their queens), stereotypical ideals (i.e. women whose names end in esha must be from the ghetto), and conflicting statements. For example, one minute the author says all men are macks. A few minutes later he says a player did not bring his game to mack status. But how is that so if all men are macks?

It's surprising that a book which is supposedly written for women can be so offensive towards them. Even Oprah is fair game. I predict feminists will tear this book apart for its misogynist and chauvinist opinions, then set their sites on the author. However, it wouldn't surprise me if some women will love it because of the author's straight talk and street knowledge. Love it or hate it, the book will undoubtedly spark discussion and controversy between and within the sexes. And let's face it, controversy sells.
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Posted on Friday, September 05, 2008 - 11:46 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What you get if you combined the DNA of Dr. John Gray with Bishop Don Juan?

Classic!

It's surprising that a book which is supposedly written for women can be so offensive towards them.

That's because you've never been examined by a disrespectful/misogynist gynecologist. Seriously.

I predict feminists will tear this book apart for its misogynist and chauvinist opinions, then set their sites on the author.

I predict that feminists will largely ignore this book and its author. If not, they should. What's the point? I doubt the author's open to that kind of dialogue; if he was, he wouldn't be writing this stuff in the first place. Feminists should ask themselves why this message resonates more with certain women than feminist rhetoric does. And, if they are mothers, they should parent, educate, and empower their daughters to laugh at such books, not buy them, and raise their sons to do the same. In other words, focus on demand, not supply.

As for Zane's I feel like women should be forewarned and realize what's out there."...Ka-ching is right. Any woman who doesn't already know what's out there, who doesn't have family and friends (of both sexes) to school her, and who would turn to a book like this...well, there's no hope for her. I don't think the issue is that women don't know about game; the problem is some women don't demand better. They settle.

Anyone can be a fool once. But as the saying goes, just don't be the same fool twice. I don't need to be schooled in the details of game; I just need to have some self-respect, trust my instincts, and use some freaking common sense!

The other problem with such books is that they put women on the defensive and seriously lower their expectations. It's one thing to be wise and discerning; it's quite another to expect to be dogged out at every turn. That kind of attitude is a turn off, and then those same women will wonder why they are alone. Lowered expectations also creates the "all men are dogs" mentality, and so women settle for the "least" doggish of men, instead of holding guys to higher standard, instead of holding out for a decent man.

Now, let me sit down and brace myself for Hurricane K-Flex to blow through announcing his sales figures, lol.
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Posted on Saturday, September 06, 2008 - 01:37 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't know Kitty ....Aside from sounding like a misogynist ....there are (IMO) just a many predator women as there are men ....oh yeah! ...and .....AND, dem MFers is low down ...yeah, I said it ...looooow DOWN-trifflin' mud-kickers. Now I ain't read ol'boys books and do not intend to but ...I'd bet there are some women eatin' up that sh*t. Just flip the script and BAM ....player B**ch. Of course that doesn't make it right but I know plenty of brothas that have been played out of their souls. And I know women that thirst for a new D**k ....on the hunt Ho's.

But it is a man's world and we can get away with flaunting foolishness ....but wait ....just wait ....I can remember a time when Rap Music was just some fools that couldn't sing ....now we have millionaires buying NBA teams off rap money. Soooo ....out popped Zane and what's next ....Danteyell Moorisha ....stay tuned.

Having said all of that ....I agree with your post :-).
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Posted on Saturday, September 06, 2008 - 01:48 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And .....I hate to say this ....well, maybe I don't hate to but .....from reading the clips from Emanuel's post ...Dante is saying things "other" women don't want to hear ....really! Hey, I ain't trying to uphold an image or sell his book but if truth be told ...when he said (Moore) that women will do what others will not ....hey ...it's true ...and I ain't talking about low bottom (whatever that is). If we are just talking sex, it's a mix bag. If we are talking "control" that's another thang. Yet again, that's also a slippery slop. I guess it comes down to ....believe what you want and do what you do :-(.
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Emanuel, I just love you. Right now I'm reading bell hooks's Remembered Rapture: The Writer at Work. OUTSTANDING.

And while some of the essays are dated in terms of what is being published and our voices still being heard, they are so spot-on anyway.

Damn, let me get off the computer and pick it up, it's sitting right in front of me!
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Carey, thanks for the reminder about "playa-females". Since I don't associate with those types of women and they don't get as much media play as their male counterparts, it's easy to forget about them. ;-)

Also, as far as Dante saying things women don't want to hear...give women a little more credit than that. Many of us simply don't care about what he's saying because it's completely irrelevant to how we live our lives. So yes, he has a female audience, but I'd like to think it's a minority of women.

And it's not the topic; it's the style. I have a writer-friend-homie who is working on a similar themed book, but the difference is he and his co-author start from a place of real respect for women, viewing women as peers and women AND men as having equal potential to be trifling, and promoting healthy relationships. Oh, and he's smart and funny as hell.
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Kitty, very good point (not the topic; it's the style).

On a side note .....well, there is a connection ...I love the way you respond to others. You give merit when it's due yet reply in a "no holds barred" attack ....without attacking. You are a writer and a very good one ...and smart ...and funny.

Do you have any girlfriends like you ...am just saying *LOL*.

Take it easy on Troy ...you and Yvette are a handfull ....a mob!
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Posted on Saturday, September 06, 2008 - 06:22 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do women really need to read a book to figure out that those who captivate men are ones who smile a lot. No matter how tough or confident their facade, all men appreciate the approval and crave the security that a smile conveys when directed at them. The smile is the holy grail. A "BJ" is the crucifiction. Being supportive raises the spirits.
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Cynique, for once I have to agree with you ...it might be as simple as that ...really! It definitely sends a signal ...it lowers the guard. It says "I am alright" ... and it's power never subsides ... a smile always eases the pain.

Do you think it has the same affect on women (a smile)? From my own reference the first thing I look at his her smile ....and all "that" says ...first thang! Sure there are other desirable elements *smile* ....but I am tellin' you if the smile and mouth ain't right ...we ain't dancing ...noooo where.

You can't buy wisdom ...you just splashed a little for free.
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A smile certainly is an ice-breaker, even if the teeth are "irregular".
Women, however, initially tend to be attracted to a man's eyes, believing them to be the "windows to the soul". IMO
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Dang Cyn-Cyn, you hurt me ....I have a glass eye and a patch over the other (take it off around friends) ...what's a man to do?
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My boyfriend lives in Prince George's County (Troy's future 'hood), and unlike Pittsburgh, there's tons of black folks around, and therefore, tons of black men. Well, the first time we were out and about around here (PG County), black men in sales/service positions were talking to me left and right, really friendly but not quite flirtatious, even if my bf was nearby. Finally, after the clerk at 7-Eleven wished me a very good day, I finally had to ask my boyfriend, "I know that I'm not used to being around this many black men, but what gives with them being so friendly???"

His answer: "You're a black woman who smiles. Rare."

Carey, I'm a sucker for good dental too. If the grill is jacked up, I just can't. But I have to agree with Cynique; a man's eyes reveal a lot.

And I had no idea about your eyes!
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Posted on Sunday, September 07, 2008 - 04:41 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Carey is being facetious. He probably has 20-20 vision...in hindsight.
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Posted on Sunday, September 07, 2008 - 07:23 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nothing to add except--great conversation. Oh--and, again, not to hype "The Blacklist Volume 1" again, but Zane is also profiled in it.

Alright, alright. Forget it. I am hyping the program. LOL

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