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Carey
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Hello
First, you will have to excuse me if some of my letters stick together. See, I just finished eating those leftover Hamhocks and my fingers might be a little sticky!
I think I know why I write, I am not a writer by definition but as witnessed by this board I like to express myself. Also I like to read, I get pleasure out of doing so. I also believe that somewhere below the obvious reasons why we all do what we do, there is more; something deeper that we may not even be aware of, or maybe not want to address. Self examination can be a bi*ch, as well as an awakening. I am aware we all "think" we know why we voice our concerns to others, we all talk for different reason. We talk to pursuade, we try to convince others, frequently we display emotions through our words. Why do YOU write?
Writing is tough, underneath the seemingly obvious answer of money, tell me what's at the core of your desire to express yourself via words/writing. I have my opinions but obviously I couldn't grow (in any endeavor) if I am constantly relying on my limited knowledge.
In short, why do you write and what do you get from your reading? |
Cynique
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I read because -- "I have the cool, clear eye of a seeker of wisdom and truth". I write because - it is a challenging way to transform my creativity into words.  |
Ferociouskitty
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I write because there's nothing I enjoy more, that I can get paid to do.
Legally. ;-)
I write because I love language and good stories. I read for the same reasons.
I love the power of language, of words. I learned their power as a child-reader, when books enabled me to imagine a world and possibilities beyond what I could see around me.
I've been in awe of that power ever since. |
Emanuel
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I write because I like to entertain people with my fiction and inform them with my nonfiction. (Of course if a little bit of money and recognition came with that, I wouldn't turn it down.)
I mostly read to obtain knowledge but I do occassionally read for pure entertainment (which sometimes contributes to my knowledge anyway). I love books that use language in a clever way. |
Carey
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Thank You
Interesting stuff.
Would you write if there was no one to read it?
Writng is a very difficult task. I don't want to start a thread on Good writing/books VS Poor writing/books but when I look at all the elements of good writing; all the required tools to do it right. Lets see, one has to make sure he or she has NO Dangling modifiers-Faulty Logic-Awkward Construction-Misplaced Modifiers-Errors In Diction-Faulty Abbreviation-Fused Sentences-Sentence Fragments-Proper Prepositional Phrasing-Errors In Grammar-Irregular Verbs-Misspelled Words-Errors In Verb Form-Clear Meaning,ect......AND MAKE THE STORY/MEMOIR INTERESTING!
Kitty, you have shared with me your fear of speaking in front of others. Is it the story that brings your joy or the words within the story.
Can you put into words the mindset of a writer that differs from a speaker; the spoken word.
Emanuel, I can't put into words the instant feedback I receive from an audience and the joy that it brings. It allows me to adjust my path as I go. You spoke of entertaining others. How and when do you know you are entertaining them. Where does Ego fit into the equation.
Cyn-Cyn, you spoke of it being a challenge. Do you set goals? I guess I am asking how do you fullfill that challenge. Do you need affirmations from others. I think we all do but your answer seemed to be rooted in pleasing yourself. Am I correct in that assumption? |
Carey
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Hello
Kitty, I just read your post on Noah Lukeman. It appears one has to be committed, serious, talented, patient and rejection proof. |
Ferociouskitty
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Carey:
How fitting that doing some fiction writing that I just couldn't tear myself away from has me up at this hour contemplating your question. ;-)
I admire spoken word artists. I can't do what they do. With effort, I might be able to crack that nut, but I lack the nerve. It's all I can do to read my own work in front of small groups without passing out; I can't imagine having to do the performance thing on top of that.
On the other hand...writers and spoken word artists are both performers--but with different skill sets, on different stages.
The story and the words both bring me joy, but I don't have to speak them or hear them spoken to appreciate them. |
Carey
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Thanks Kitty
You could be doing worse thangs at this hour of the night  . I really do appreciate you and the others for your imput! I'll let you go to sleep or get back to work but you KNOW I have more questions, hope yawl don't mind.
Sabiana (sp?) busted up in that one thread and it appears she shut it down *lol*. I am not even going to mention the name of the thread but you know what I am talking about  . Soooo, I thought I had a little time to ask a few questions. I hope the TC police don't give me a ticket. |
Vanders
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Hey All; Carey what a good question you pose. I write because I have to. I have to see my thoughts and expression on paper. It makes it all that more real for me to deal with them and if I want, to share them in hopes that they resonate with someone else. Isn't that what reading other writers do for us, especially african american writers who share with us our history and our experiences; the good, the bad, the ugly, and the beautiful struggle of it all. For me it is not just that I read, it is what I read, and what I have read from my literary ancestors to the comtemporary writers have helped me in my self discovery and taught me to celebrate my cultural heritage. I get that from non fiction as well as fiction. My only struggle is how to balance this passion for reading and writing because at times it literally consumes me. Help. Vanders |
Carey
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Hello Vanders
Thanks for jumping in. You wrote: "I write because I have to see my thoughts and expression on paper. It makes it all that more real for me to deal with them and if I want, to share them in hopes that they resonate with someone else<>The good the bad, and the ugly". I feel you, I can relate. In your response you said "REAL FOR ME". That's why I asked the question, "if no one was around to read your writing would you still write.
Self Discovery!
I'll share a story: I've been through a storm. It rained death of a spouse, incarceration, death of friends that I directly own some of the responsibility, addiction, teenage father, lose of faith and my soul. I lost all my joy, I had little to smile about. In the depths of that utterly deep dark hole, I wrote, I penned my thoughts, I started a journal. Suicide was a viable option, depression was my constant companion. Upon wakening each morning the impending dome was more than I could bare. Yet each day in an attempt to walk away from myself; get out of myself I would write. Sometimes I would write to God and sometimes I'd write to myself. I didn't know how to share my pain with others, men aren't suppose to do that, yet I had to express myself in some way, I was dying, so I wrote. TODAY....Today, I still journal in that same book, good thoughts, new dreams and blessings. I look back at those tear stained pages and sometimes cry. The storm is gone. Yeah, the good, the bad, the ugly, and the beautiful struggle of it all!
Again, Thank You Vanders. |
Sisg
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Writing allows that everyday dreamworld where i sometimes live and observe to become real. Sometimes i view behind closed lids, and open ones...i sit and listen and watch this world unfold in front of me, an then i get so excited about it, that i have to share it...
Writing is my release.
...gives me peace
...expresses my joys, pains, visions and journeys
...allows me to create and recreate for the sake of telling a story.
Carey- i have always thought some of our most powerful writers, and talented were the ones who had suffered much and in the end gained themselves. |
Carey
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Hello Sisgal
I am so thrilled that you and others have dropped a little wisdom and insight into this thread. That's what I like about this board, so much knowledge. Each has given reasons why they write. You said "release". Sisgal, you've done it again, you like the others have given me avenues of thought. Your: "ones who had suffered much and in the end gained themselves' speaks volumes. I've said this many times, if I had your skills and the others that post I would maybe share my journey, it's painful, some of which I've never shared with anyone. I am not a writer but I write, it's cathartic, yeah, it's a release. |
Vanders
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Hey Carey; Thanks for sharing such a potent piece of your life story with us. It took alot of gusts and courage and I honor you for that. Sisgal is right when she said "powerful writers are the ones who have suffered much and in the end gained themselves." Your story could help someone. Maybe you are not ready to write it now but one day I hope you will. Peace. Vanders. |
Hen81
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I started to write because I had too many thoughts that come into my mind that turn into vapor if I didn't write them down. They may never go anywhere and I may not visit them for months. Sometimes that title, page, character or chapter turns into 80,000 or so words.
I had a 26 year quiet period where I didn't write at all. A loss of a brother from tragic circumstances lit the creative flame again. Writing is one release, knowing that the words are read is the second.
After 3 books, I write for the art of it, but not for art's sake. If I felt that my work would not continue be read, I don't know if I would continue to write. I could compose the stories mentally. Putting those thoughts into book format is for sharing purposes.
www.DTPollard.com |
A_womon
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I write to release pain,ideas,creativity,joy, happiness,need.
I write because I was born to do it, because I'm driven to it. The characters that are born inside my mind demand I do it, to tell their story, or allow them to tell it.
I write for the sheer, utter pleasure of it, the pain and labor of it.
And because I love it! |
Chrishayden
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In short, why do you write and what do you get from your reading?
(I write because I am compelled to. A guy once told me that reason was BS, but that is the only one that is the most consistent answer.
Other times I would say I write because I like to read books and I wanted to have my name on some.
What do I get from reading? Stimulation. Information. Some idea of how others are doing it) |
Carey
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Hello
I see a common thread in each of you that have been brave enough to reply. To some degree each of you are entertainers. All of you have a story to tell. While writing your stories, it appears each receive serentipitous rewards. Albeit ALL are not accidental, yet I can't help but believe some of the pleasures of writing may not surface until after the process has begun or ended.
I've had the pleasure of reading the work of some that have posted. I can feel them in their writing. Kitty shared with me that she has a hard time writing about some of her pain, yet she sometimes interjects herself into her characters. I wonder if that's common?
Vander, two questions: Other than the board I do not know what you write. Would you care to tell us. I wrote for survival, your sentiments of my story is shared by others on the board. Yet, I truely wonder if anyone really learns or is helped by the plight of others. Seriously, think about it. Most change only comes through pain and consequences. Not my pain but that of the individual.
Sisgal said "when she writes, dreams become real. It allows me to create and recreate for the sake of telling a story". Again, the signs of an artist and entertainer are present.
Cynique termed it as a challenge, I can see that. Maybe it's like the joy one receives from working a puzzle?
Hen81, I've only read your titles. I do not know what to say, your stories appear to for a select audience, they wouldn't be considered "thought" books. You said, "writing is one release, knowing that words are read is the second, if I did not think my work would continue to be read I don't know if I would continue to write". I think that is such a honest answer. I think an artist needs a audience.
Kitty shared with me some of her struggles while going through her mother's passing. Others encouraged her to write about it, reminding her that she was a writer, she could not for various reasons. Some of my questions to kitty and the board have been for personal reasons. Over the years I've interjected myself into my posts(to the dislike of others ). I have no fears or secrets that I am affraid to expose. Vanders said it was brave of me to share a little story. I really don't understand why!?
My journal goes back over 15 yrs. I was writng to myself. Maybe subconsiously leaving an excuse or reasons for my behavior. As I've said, I've been through the storm, do not feel sorry for me. The following is jagged streams of thought, yet I will share:
Unedited: My life is at an all time low. I've lost everythin! Ann, my job of 25yrs, my freedom, my selfrespect, my direction, and the respect of my family!........I am down on the ground...I am drowning...My demon has kicked my ass. Iam lost, I don't know how to do this thang called life <>I am lonely, I am blessed. I am continually amazed at the blessings that have come my way in spite of myself <> I've had some nice talks with my son, he's trying real hard, he's tuff. he's had some rough times. I feel bad about not being more there for him, I really do. When Ann left our whole world fell apart. She was the glue to the whole deal, she was our rock. I didn't give her all the things she needed<>My daughter is doing well. I have a very bright grandson, she named him after me. I want to be part of his life...I need to be. This story is not over, I can stand up...I must! 3 years without Ann, I've been floating on the brink of ...of...nothingness...how will I know, when will I know. I can't give up! I must pray for the courage to fight <> I love my kids, I think I did a good job of raising them...depression-lights aglow-pain-HOPE on the horrizon-dark tunnels-awake to emptyness......
I wrote the above as a survival tool. I have no regrets about my past. Personally I wonder why I would share all it and other details of my life with others? Maybe I am still looking for answers and thus my opening question "Why Do People Write and Read? |
Cynique
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Putting your thoughts down on paper is a validation of one's existence. Cognito ergo sum. - I think, therefore, I am.
Writing for the eyes of others is an ego trip: "Hey, world! I'm special! Read what I have to say."
Reading is a more important pass time than writing. It indicates curiosity and a hunger to broaden one's mind. IMO |
Carey
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Ahhh Cynique, I can't help but think others will try to be respectful when addressing you last reply BUT you may have slapped a few. I can't believe you wrote that and then slide it under "IMO"..... "Hey, world! I'm special! Read what I have to say"
What the...... |
Hen81
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When I was younger (16-20)I wrote for the fun of it all. I was just starting and reading Aesop's fables really started this.
My first book was triggered by some family losses and focused on the brazen world of the rich hence - The Trophy Wife Network. My second book came from deep thoughts on how to bring a singular human message with Katrina as a backdrop to others. My third book set out to humanize the people behind the scenes of the magachurch phenomenon and show how ordinary some of them really are.
Carey these reviews will give you a flavor for my writing:
Rooftop Diva – A Novel of Triumph After Katrina- ESSENCE bestseller
http://reviews.aalbc.com/rooftop_diva.htm
Fools’ Heaven – Love, Lust and Death beyond the Pulpit
http://www.therawreviewers.com/artman/publish...
Cynique,
I have to disagree that wanting to have your work read by others is an ego trip. I think it deals with if you feel your work has messages that need to be heard by others.
Let's be real, anyone that puts a book into the market for sale with an ISBN has written it, in part, for the eyes of others. If you are submitting to agents/publishers, following their guidelines, following formatting rules and waiting on those accept/rejection letters you are writing for the eyes of others. If you make changes based upon feedback, you are writing for the eyes of others.
If we were not writing for the eyes of others, then any style, notebook, scratchpad etc. would do. I respect the self-satisfaction and theraputic value of writing, but when it is submitted or produced as a book, it is also written for the eyes of others.
I am a businessman and feel free to be blunt about my motivations and how I feel about a situation. I have not written in a while but have about 5 projects started. I may or may not go back and finish them. On the other hand I have a book signing tomorrow 7-19-2008 1 PM at the new Barnes & Noble in Arlington, TX at The Parks Mall on S. Cooper Street.
This is my first store signing this year as I took a break due to burnout from last year.
www.DTPollard.com |
Cynique
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Why all the bristling about my referring to people who put their work out for there for "public consumption" as being on an ego trip??? This is no crime. If a person doesn't think what he\she has to say is important and compelling, then why say it? If a person thinks he/she has a special message to convey then this means they hold their opinions in high regard. Conversely if what people write for others is rejected and panned, then their egos are bruised. Writers are not selfless. They are self-aware. Most creative people are.IMO |
Carey
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The phrase my dear has a negative connotation. Not an opinion....fact.
I am relatively positive you will stand on your statement, however can you nevertheless see how that may have affected others?
Sure, they may hold their opinions in high regard but to call it ego tripping does not speak to their desire to write OR to share what they write.
Look at what A_womon wrote. She talked about expressing her pain. She talked about the pure pleasure of it, the pain and labor of it. She also called it a release just as other have said. This is from a young womon that needs to express herself. I can relate to that. Ego Tripping....come on, I THINK NOT. You are free to express your opinion but it might be wise to speak for yourself. Did you write your book as a means to juice your ego? Talk on it, tell us how that goes....FOR YOU.
It could be that you were trying to identify some hidden needs that are deep down in ALL writers?
I am not trying to pin you on the spot but if it's true that the phrase "ego tripping" is seen by many as a jab at someones character then tell me why it should not? |
Cynique
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When I said writers are not self-less, I meant that they have egos. Everybody has an ego. Some are just more propelled by their egos than others.
I do, indeed, stand by my opinion. Why share your innermost emotions by making them available to the public, if you haven't convinced yourself that what you feel would be of interest to others? Why not just seek sanctuary in privacy?
And, BTW, I'm not reluctant to say that it is my ego which motivates me to dismiss the idea that others might be offended by my use of the term "ego trip". Tuff.  |
Emanuel
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Ego? Hmmm, not very much for me Carey because I know I'm nowhere near the best writer out there nor will I ever become the best. The last two novels I read were just so phenomenal on the one hand I wanted to scrap my manuscript and start from scratch. On the other hand, they motivated me to finish a rough draft I hadn't even looked at since January. I finished the rough draft this week too. (Yayyy!)
My ego gets inflated a bit when I get a good review from recognized media (that validation Cynique talked about) or when I get the celebrity treatment after being a guest on a radio show, being in the newspaper, or sitting there signings copies of my novel. Booksignings, for me, are a surreal experience. If only I could find a way to live off of the income from writing...
Of course if I ever get a traditional deal, my head will not fit through the door. |
Emanuel
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I agree with Cynique. If we only wrote because we had to or because of the release and all that other stuff, we wouldn't try so hard to sell our work. We would give it away. Of course, many people do give away their work on blogs and other websites. Kudos to them if that's what their goal is. Mine is to sell my work. Who on this board doesn't want to sell their work? Who just prints up bound manuscripts and gives them away? Sure there has to be some ego to believe you have the skill to write well and sell it. For me though, it's not such an ego that I think my shit don't stank and my writing is the best thing since sliced bread. |
A_womon
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Emanuel,I don't think it's an either or, I think it can be both. Of course you want to sell your work, but most of us were writing before we published anything and for the reasons stated and I'm sure we'll be writing (heaven forbid) we can't sell anything. Sure you want to feel that people want to read what you write too.Just look at all the writers who have passed on who have who have left behind reams of stories, both finished and not.Granted some are more prolific than others, but such is life. |
Disciple724
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My name is Joseph, and I am a first time poster. I also am a Wordaholic.
Words are a means of communication; which is the process by which we share ideas, thoughts, opinions, statements, logic and illogic. From these both Wisdom and folly are spawned. Choose wisely. By them we are moved or directed; some towards our Destiny, others towards their Damnation.
We write because we want to share our power and/or our powerlessness. Perhaps we will find others like ourselves and fulfill that human need to be united in a world that has driven us apart. We struggle.
Unlike the spoken word, which quickly dissipates and hence can be quickly forgotten ( save for recorders), the written word has the semblance of permanency; able to transcend both time and space ( save for fire, shredders, and delete). As such, it gives us Hope of Immortality.
Words are Power, let's Eat! |
Disciple724
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Cynique : Posted on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 01:25 pm:
" Putting your thoughts down on paper is a validation of one's existence. Cognito ergo sum. - I think, therefore, I am."
" Writing for the eyes of others is an ego trip: "Hey, world! I'm special! Read what I have to say." "
" Reading is a more important pass time than writing. It indicates curiosity and a hunger to broaden one's mind. IMO "
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If one doesn't write, does one cease to exist? It’s a tougher question than at first it might appear. Thinking is a mental process that requires no outward action. Speaking and /or writing is an action by either tongue or hand that expresses the evidence of a thought or Existence. The first (speaking) offers evidence by sound, the latter (writing) offers it by hand and is received by sight. When properly constucted and recieved, these give us a pure Knowledge, Understanding, and Wisdom. Yet, sometimes things Exist even though there is immediate evidence of such. For these times we write; praise God.
Sometimes we write to serve ourselves. Other times we do it to serve others, then again as a testimony; undoubtedly this depends on who you are/are becoming. Nevertheless, given the power of words, it is almost impossible to do one without accomplishing the others. In the end, the determinate factor here is intent or motive.
When one reads, they are merely observing the thoughts of others. Sometimes these thoughts have validity, other times less so. How is it that the thoughts of others are more important than your own? Still, your comments do have tremendous merit; since reading, like listening, allows someone to be heard; and is the first step to Discretion and Wisdom.
Disciple724 |
Emanuel
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I guess I consider myself more of a humble egomaniac then (Is that an oxymoron or what?). I say this because I've read and reviewed traditionally published books that were nowhere near as good as what I've written. At the same time, I've read some contemporary stuff or classic stuff and have realized I have a long way to go to be as good. Of course, I will probably never get there.
No offense to the people who say "if I don't write I don't can't breathe" but I get so tired of reading that cliche. I think it has always been politically incorrect to say you write to seek validation, fame, and especially money. Why? I don't know. (Although I think that's changing because I read a lot of blogs from new writers who admit they would like to live off of writing and not the income from their day jobs, spouses, or other sources.) However, let the publishing industry stop paying writers or let there not be any profit in self publishing and you will see just how many people write just to breathe. |
Carey
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Diciple:
WELL WELL WELL, I've been reading this board since it's inception and I have to tell you. Your post IMO, is probably one of the best I've read.
Even in the way you addressed others opinion. You did it in a smooth, succinct reply without the pointed edge that tends to shut down communication or moves some to fortify their position.
I knew the question was deeper than it first appeared. You found and uncovered two elements of human behavior that in themselves speak to the issue and we could say, problem at hand, INTENT and MOTIVE.
You killed it, you topped it off when you mentioned testimonials!
I've come to believe that underneath every human reaction/behavior there is a underlying propellant. Furthermore, I also believe the riches of self discovery are boundless, yet, ego will serve as an impediment. Leting go is difficult, familiarity is comforting, knowledge is king...well *wink*
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Cynique : Posted on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 01:25 pm:
" Putting your thoughts down on paper is a validation of one's existence. Cognito ergo sum. - I think, therefore, I am."
" Writing for the eyes of others is an ego trip: "Hey, world! I'm special! Read what I have to say." "
" Reading is a more important pass time than writing. It indicates curiosity and a hunger to broaden one's mind. IMO "
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Hen81 Posted on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 02:21 pm:
" I have to disagree that wanting to have your work read by others is an ego trip. I think it deals with if you feel your work has messages that need to be heard by others."
and added
" I am a businessman and feel free to be blunt about my motivations and how I feel about a situation. I have not written in a while but have about 5 projects started. I may or may not go back and finish them. On the other hand I have a book signing tomorrow 7-19-2008 1 PM at the new Barnes & Noble in Arlington, TX at The Parks Mall on S. Cooper Street.
This is my first store signing this year as I took a break due to burnout from last year."
to which I respond:
The phrase "ego tripping" originated to express the circumstances when ones ego--self awarness ranging from the awareness on one existence to narcissism--becomes so large that it causes one to stumble.
Writing is a form of self expression and in order to do it one must have so semblance of self awareness. This is the ego. However when one self awareness exalts to self love, pride selfishness, and/or narcissism, it clouds ones judgment.; hence the term ego tripping.
Writing gives us a chance to reveal certain aspects about ourselves and our motives and sometimes we wear these on our sleeves; in plain sight for all to see. Other times we try to conceal them; though few are ever really completely successful at this. Again, the common thread is motive, we all have them its just that some are more noble than others.
The irony is the Cynique--the name that the poster of the suject matter in question chose to reveal to us, though I'm not sure if it is her/his birth name--has its root in the word cynical, which literally means to question the motives of others; which in her post she clearly does.
Hen81, you posted a response to the primary theme question: Why do weread/Why do we write?, I'm sure for the purpose of entering into the dialogue and adding value. Yet, you also took that opportunity to plug your name, and your book; going so far as to hyperlink your sites and, by doing so, could distract readers from the dialogue. Though, in the end, you did express your motives clearly--business-- you can see how your act and motives might easily turn one off and defeat that purpose , can't you? You are both refuting and confirming the argument at the same time. This adds another ironic twist as It, in my opinion, gives some merit to what Cynique stated, though I don't think such is always the case.
For example: Carey: you originally posed the opening question, and you write with openness is empowering to me,--as I also share in a similar sufferings,yet I never, until now, had the courage to express it in written form; only spoken. And still you do it with a form of selflessness that serves as an inspiration to me and others as well I'm sure. No motives there. God Bless.
In sum, egos, which ranges from self awareness to narcissus, are a vital component of life; without it we would exist only in a coma. I have found that balance is the key. We must be aware of ourselves and others that are around us. Also important is the affect that we others and vice versa. If we exchange pleasantries and truths we will all be blessed, but even when we don't we can still learn from it
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Carey,
Thanks for your kind words, they echo mine towards you (please read previous post by me as it was written before I read yours). I have spent a great deal of time thinking and studying, though rarely writing, excepts when it comes to things of economics and finance; of which I consider myself to be a master (ego?). Still, with my usual audience on that topic, I have to mince words and hold back; and that can be confining if you know what I mean.
This board, I must say is special, by far the best I have ever been a part of and I feel somewhat liberated. I often had a fear that the thoughts that I had were not welcome anywhere in Black America (most Black mediums that I had encountered dealt with sex and music--favorites but corrupted and limited--or so much hypocrisy). But, after reading the thoughts of many on this board, I feel connected me to other thoughtful persons of my kind discussing meaningful topics. A new experience for me and breath of fresh air in a stench filled world. Thanks to all that have posted, and thereby have helped to set me free!
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Well, when it comes to writing, one thing seems sure about you, Disciple; you are intoxicated with opinions and this addiction is enabled by the written word. 
Ideas are abstract but once you give them visibility, then you promote the validation process which I referred to in DeCarte's quote. I am of the opinion that most creative people are ego-driven. Writing is an excursion into the maze of language. Ego trip? I say "yes." You say "maybe".
Emanuel, I'm also of the opinion that the reason there is such a plethora of self-published books out there is because so many people read a book and think to themselves, hummm, I can do that. This is the manifestation of the ego. Thinking that you can write is easy. Thinking that what you write has publishing potential is usually a figment of the imagination. |
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MY MY MY
Disciple: I read your latest post only after I posted my last. You have obviously "been somewhere". I use that phrase to imply that you have left a place of comfort and discomfort and have for the most part discovered something new.
Thank you for saying my post was inspirational to you. In my original post/question I was looking for answers to why I would or should write a book or memoir. I was looking for a motive. I've mentioned that writing in my journal was a survival tool. I've been told by many that my story could serve as some sort of inspiration to others. I never could grasp that. You mentioned that some try to hide their their motivations yet seldon do a good job of it. I certainly agree, and therefore I needed to find a reason to write without a selfish hidden agenda, hidden even to me. You mentioned courage and bravery. I understand the force of fear, yet do you care to tell us what fear you and or others my posses, that would give cause to use those words,as it has been applied in these conversations?
After visiting a place and talking with and to others I was approached by a woman that said, "young man, I doubt that you know this but you have something you need to give away". I still don't quite understand this. She said it will come to me, it has not.
You addressed some of the replies, you spoke of motives and consequences. Your insight is keen. Your understanding is to be admired.
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**LOL**
It appears we are writing at the same time *smile*. I will stop (I'll try) but before I go, I want to say without explanation, I understand your take/opinion on "EGOS". |
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Disciple724,
I respect your opinion, but you missed part of the point. Carey stated that my book titles were the only information known to that poster on my books. The review links were so more informaton could be obtained. That was a direct reply that some others may have seen in a different light.
I always end my posts with my website address. Some message boards will do it automatically as a signature. It's like my business emails that have company, name, title, contact info, etc.at the bottom of each email. Don't confuse a business corporate business style of written communication as an ulterior motive. I have been in corporate business equipment sales since 1981 and on email before PCs came along.
I look at the business of books, publishing etc. as a two sided proposition. There is the creative, artistic side followed by the sales, marketing side after the art is printed, bound and on the market. For years in busines I have been in the busines of conivncing businesmen of investing sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars in a business solution to benefit their companies. Approx. 99% of those people didn't look like me, if you know what I mean. Now I try to convince ordinary people to invest $15.95 in something that will give them reading pleasure, many of them don't look lke me also.
Turning someone on or off was not the point of my post, it was information. I was in Barnes and Noble last night and that store was full of books wirtten with as many different motives as we can think of. One thing was for certain, you could not leave that store with any book from the deepest personal thoughs of an author to how to build a deck without donating to the cash register first. How many of those authors would still write without the business/financial payoff?
Art is a great part of writing and creating. Publishers are in it for money. There is a balance. Being business minded also does not mean that an author doen't have thoughs and creative abilities to the equal of someone that is more singularly creative oriented.
I can breath without writing but it is an outlet that helps to balance the more logic driven business aspects of my days.
I think we have to look at what others are doing through a lens of 'I wonder why' vs 'I think I know why'. The 'I think I know why' is always colored by our own bank of personal experience, history and attitude towards the subject. Some replies come across in a lecture tone based upon a personal perception that may not refect what others perceive. We have to be careful not to project our individual reactions beyond ourselves, to do so assumes a stance that our view is a general view. That can be a perceived as self-centered.
Others may react differently to the same communication.
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Thank you Mr. Pollard.
It appears we have some big hitters this fine sunny Saturday morning *lol*.
I love being the moderator and sometimes instigator *smile* in a thread that I started. Really, it requires I stay invested in the topic. I posed the question therefore I have a responsibility to try to keep it focused on the topic.
Of course this IS Thumper's Corner and tempers and EGOs can intrude. Nevertheless, the end results are favorable.
Mr. Pollard hit on something. He mentioned the tone of a post, that's big. In parts,Hen81 and Diciple both where basically say the same thang. They both addressed perceptions. Perceptions sometimes harbor problems. You have the deliverer and the receiver......ooouuuuweeeeee. What is meant and what is heard in generally not synonymous. |
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I may be cut of a different cloth. I'm from a small Texas town where people like me were not on an evne keel with the majority. A large part of my persona has always been powered by a required self-confidence in the face of little push from society. That still is the mode today and probably the only way I got through in the business that I'm in, because there were few 'like' role models.
I still proceed that way and it extends to my efforts in writing. This just the honest truth. just as another view of where I came from.
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I don't know how this happened but sombody create it.
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Carey,
I apologize for my lack of timeliness, I lost connection, my modem went down. here is the post that I had intended to send.
Carey Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 11:26 am:
"I've been told by many that my story could serve as some sort of inspiration to others. I never could grasp that."
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Life is a maze of awesome complexity that is dwarfed only by its simplicity. Its complicated by the magnitude of pieces involved in "the puzzle" of Life... simplified by the simplicity that we each have a piece of it ...complicated by the idea that somehow our piece is more precious than the next person's (ego)...simplified by the realization that without the their pieces ours ceases to have meaning....etc, etc..
Your life, your struggles, your triumphs are not solely your own. You must share them, as we all must. They have bought you some resolve, yet some remain beyond your grasp. Share that which you have been given and expect other to do the same. By this we are all blessed. Words help, and hurt. Chose wisely.
Lately, I have been experimenting with the art of listening. I detect wisdom in your voice so I am honored to listen. |
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Hello Joseph
I am glad that you returned. I assume others share their insight and wisdom they may have obtained via this board I am no different. A friend of mine came by right after our last exchange. I told him of our conversation and asked the same questions of him. We wrestled with each others opinions and came to a conclusion. But first, I asked him how valuable has inspiration been to him? I was leading him down a path without stating my beliefs. I was looking for something because I believe inspiration is always present. Common struggles are at our finger tips. Again, I've stated that change, real change only comes via understanding, pain and consequences. They all play a vital role if sustainable change is the goal. I've heard it said that one can't keep something if they don't give it away. To a degree, I've bought into that concept. Now, my delimma was, has been, what do I have to give away. Sure, I've been through a mighty storm, several, more than the average, but so what. My blues may not be like yours but I know it also rains in Georgia.
We kicked it around and it finally fell to the floor. It's not the struggle that's different... the core of the inspiration, it is the solution that may hold the cup of tea! Oh buddy, now that is a big subject. For one, if the problems are of a mixed bag, are the solutions the same, a mixed bag? I think not. Don't get me wrong, I have not been in this place for a long time but I believe the solutions are less complicated than the problems. Easy...naw, without pain...nope, will there be a struggle between right and wrong....YES. I've learned to believe some get emotions and "right" kind of mixed up. It seldom feels good to do the right thang. Don't get me wrong, after the battle theres a relief but the mental agitations that try to persuade me to turn around,.... go back to what's familiar is forever present....there's comfort there, EVEN IF IT'S WRONG. I will rationalize it to fit my convictions. Don't get me started, I can go on and on about my victories over me. I had to grow up! Yeah, I had to shead an image I had created of me.
It's sometimes hard to tell someone that you love them because one might not get back the desired response, verbal or non-verbal (FEAR). Dang it, yougot me going. We talked about fear and why some are less proned to share their mistakes or character flaws. I believes it came down to what others would think of them. That bit of understanding explained why I couldn't understand the tag of Brave and Couragous. I find victory in being able to say I've been somewhere and I ain't trying to go back there!
Very seldom will you or anyone else hear these words "I Was Wrong".
Big Subject....Huge!
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Hen81: Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 11:44 am:
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Mr. Pollard,
My words are never intended to attack or belittle. The truth stings a little, however, in the long run it perfects us. Admittedly, there are times when I might come across as "preachy" but I was only pointing out that in our struggle to survive, often times our own ego subtlety takes on a direction of it own. We all, myself included, suffer from this disease so outside perspective can be helpful if well intended.
The European culture, which fathers the thoughts of the American hierarchy, has taught us to be self-made, self-willed, self-motivated, ...you get the point. Within this "capital system"--which few truly understand the nature of-- those that self-centered often are richly rewarded. But not without a hefty cost to their souls. Sometimes in the name of business, we do things less mindful of the consequence and far less mindful of the effect that we have on others, nor ourselves .
We that write, are engaged in a communication process. This requires that we transmit a clear and certain message and that audience receive that same message and point . Sometimes we entertain, other times we educate, occasionally both. Always remember though, first impressions settle deep.
Carey wrote:" I've only read your titles. I do not know what to say, your stories appear to [be]for a select audience, they wouldn't be considered "thought" books".
If I'm understanding this statement correctly (I might be wrong), he was kindly stating that, judging for the names of the titles that you chose, he did see the need to investigate further. To be sure, I investigated further and came away with a few questions:
Why in an event ( Katrina) that has become synonymous with Black suffering and White neglect, did you chose the image of what, as best that I can tell, appears to be a woman with mostly WASP features. She might be Creole but most African American woman that I know would not identify with her. They might even construe this as minimizing their suffering.
Why the choice of the word "Diva" in your title? It literally means a female prima donna (again the ego), and points to the European culture of false god and goddess worship. Divas were exalted female goddess that because of their beauty and charming voices were to be revered by woman and men alike. Would most young African American women be inspired by her? If so, at what cost to self?
As writers, I believe we should always be mindful of the words that we chose; they have much deeper significance and are far more powerful than most of us realize. They also speak volumes about our own self-perception.
In sum, when we write we often must make a conscious choice as to whether we will entertain (flatter), or educate (empower). Now, sometimes we are pressured to write to serve our own agendas. I must acknowledge that I sometimes am guilty of this; so I am not judging you; despite the tone of my comments. In my humble opinion, however, our community is never short on entertainment and there are countless stories that remind us of our desolation. Fewer serve the more noble role of edifying and empowering, yet I must admit these carry small monetary premiums amongst us; generally speaking. This makes a writer's choice difficult and in the end we must all be pleased with our choice. Choose wisely, it defines who you are!
Good Day everyone! Thank you for your words, thoughts, and your ear.
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Carey Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 04:27 pm:
<i>"We kicked it around and it finally fell to the floor. It's not the struggle that's different... the core of the inspiration, it is the solution that may hold the cup of tea! Oh buddy, now that is a big subject." </b>
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One of the many answers that you seek can be found at the root of your written words: inspiration. It root is spirit.
Often miscontrued to have only a good nature, there also are many corrupted spirits in existence; we have touch on a few like fear, anger, depression, and so on.
These often take residence in us and, if allowed to remain too long, may even become a part of our persona. The challenge for every living person is to rightly discern between them, baste in the former and refrain from and or expell the latter. This is a lot easier said than done, since the corrupted ones often come attached to things that we find temporary and instant pleasure in, though in the long run are not good for us. To part with them means we must leave behind that which we have come to love. Only those that have the strength and the courage to suffer can accomplish this. Be brave Brother!
P.S. this writing is addictive and I'm about to OD!
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Disciple724,
You are thinking too much on something relatively simple. The title Rooftop Diva is a one time nickname I used because an unnamed character gave that nickname before he pulled her off her rooftop with a cable from a helicopter. We tend to box ourselves in by skin tone and appearance, this character's racial makeup is central to who she is and is not uncommon for where she comes from, New Orleans.
The book delves into her identity and how it shapes her. Chapter 1 takes care of much of that but it is who she is. If Iremerber correctly Katrina didn't check for race as it hit New Orleans and Mississippi. Just as Obama is a bridge figure due to his racial makeup, why can't a fictional character be that way also. The older root meaning of diva means a divine woman of great beauty. That is the context it is used in. To go down your road of conjecture without having read the book is unfortunate. You're drawing conclusions based upon other conclusions not rooted in knowledge of the story.
The feedback that I get from readers, bookclub members and reviewers have all been positive. This book is being added to African American collections in public libraries nationwide. In that aspect I feel that I have reached one of my goals of writing and that is to touch people with my words nationwide. Why stay in a self imposed box when I can reach more people by standing on top of it.
At my signing today I sold books to people of black, white and hispanic descent. It was the story and message, not the cover that sold the books. A cover can be a help or hinderance depening on if it is true to the book's content.
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Cynique is right and anyone who disagrees is retarded..ok retarded is strong but AT THAT MOMENT it seemed the best response. Why would a writer not roll with the "ego" assesment she made. ADMIT IT..its OK. DAM. I being a reader DAM sure hope the books Im reading are by authors with a ego. THOSE are the best works. Authors who KNOW they can write and want ME to read it, absorb it, "feel it", tell others about it and hopefully want to keep reading the work they put out. Do NOT write if you DONT have an ego. It wont read the same.
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Mr. Pollard
The beauty of fiction, is the author can color and shape the character, any way that he/she wants. It that sense they are the final authority.
Those that do it best, in my opinion (after all that is all that I am sharing),are those that tie it to real events and circumstances that the readers might have experienced or encountered first hand. In that way the reader can almost become a part of the story and can learn from the experience.
Different readers read for different reasons. Some to confirm certain realities, some to escape them, still others for resolutions to problems (I prefer the latter). In either case, authors help them do this through fact or fiction. Fictional characters surrounded by real events and circumstance allow us an opportunity to safely explore possibilities and perhaps find purpose, meaning, and resolutions.
Concerning Katrina, there is some truth in what you say about the nondiscriminatory nature of the damage along racial lines. But the true tragedy of Katrina was not in the distribution of harm, rather the distribution of help. Can you make the same claim that there was no discrimination there?
America is a World Class Nation, with a stellar reputation for being the first to act in times of calamity. Over the years we have spent trillions of dollar in aid to other suffering nations ( mostly for gain). We pride ourselves in being number 1, and have traveled trillion of miles in outer space in search of "life" or water. Yet when Katrina hit and certain citizens of this nation need help, what was her response. From my vantage point, I saw a leadership that was unwilling to respond to the suffering people that mirror you and me. For days they did nothing . In fairness, I also saw some people that looked like us, that sought to capitalize on the situation.
If its life and water that we search for, are not these things right here; in us about us? What do you think de-motivation was? Do you think that skin color played a role? Moreover, who will tell the story of those that are dark? Moreover, will we care as much? Now I do recall seeing a relative few poor white sufferers, but, by in large, the bulk of the victims had a darkish hue to their skin. So what have we learned? I guess if we want to get a response from the masses we, lighten our skin a little, straighten our hair a bit more, slim down, and shape up, and then maybe people will see some good in us and come rescue us. You think?
Nah, no thanks, I would rather suffer!
In closing, I must admit that we all have some responsibility to those events and In a way I guess that this is just one of the many opportunities that you and I will have to respond. Just remember, as the author, you have the power to tell the story from whatever vantage point that you deemed worthy. You can shape and color them anyway that you chose. Out of all the hundreds of thousands of lives that you encounter, you have the choice and the power to tell their story and in some ways reshape reality. Now you know better than I what your purpose and motivations are, and in the end you don't have to answer to me anyhow. I'm just stating that the cover and the story line of your first attempt didn't move me much, personally, and I have offered my reasons why. Still, I have to admit that I don't have the view of the masses so if its mass business that you seek, perhaps you made the better choice. |
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ego trip
n. Slang
An act, experience, or course of behavior that gratifies the ego.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
ego trip
Noun
Informal something that a person does in order to boost his or her self-image.
Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006
e·go (g, g)
n. pl. e·gos
1. The self, especially as distinct from the world and other selves.
2. In psychoanalysis, the division of the psyche that is conscious, most immediately controls thought and behavior, and is most in touch with external reality.
3.
a. An exaggerated sense of self-importance; conceit.
b. Appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem.
Everyone has an ego. Some of this discussion leans in a directions that some actions are being taken solely for the purpose of feeding that ego to inflate self-importance. I really don't buy into that. Most writers I know feel that they are still trying to get better and have not arrived. Do they still promote, go to festivals/signings and tell others about their work, yes. I feel it is because they think their work will entertain, touch or help someone else,
Wanting others to read your work seems to be a natural desire for those with enough self-confidence, not overblown ego, that what they wrote is "good-enough" for what ever the purpose they wrote it for. Sometimes that self-confidence is off the mark and others will let you know, then you adjust.
Most people that I have ever met that were on an ego trip behaved in a manner that was only surface level supported by reality, maybe they dressed the part or knew some inside lingo. In the end analysis there was little substance underneath.
I think that most people here, including me, consider that they are still growing in their writing. I think each book that I have completed was better that the previous effort. I also don't have a clue if I hit what I was aiming for until someone else reads it and gives me feedback. I wait on reviews with anticipation of what the results will be.
Some people have a hard time saying to others, hey buy my book and this is why. That is a totally seperate task of sales. Some of that is surplanted when a publisher is pushing the book with marketing programs. When I started my booksigning today I had a goal of 10 books before I left. It ended up being 11 books in a cloud of dust. I was packing up after four hours with 10 books sold and wanted to sell 1 more in case someone didn't actually go to the counter and pay. I beckoned over an older white couple and sold them a paperback.
Doing a signing in a large store can actually be an ego challenging event if you are not prepared for it. People will browse all around you looking at the new arrival tables and not at your table with you standing there. I'm an unknown, my books are not in the store and my books leave when I leave.
You know this stuff is hard work. If you have a career, write, promote and sell your books it takes a bite out of your life. I write the stories and create the characters due to some spark or motivation that set off that train of thought. I promote, market and sell to get feedback on that work. There is a sense of satisfaction when someone says, hey, I loved that book when will the next one come out. It doesn't mean I'm there, but only heading in the right direction.
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All of these long-winded exchanges bespeak of writers who are really enamoured with what they have to say. Ego tripping? If the shoe fits, wear it. "Methinks the gentlemen doeth protest too much." |
Hen81
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Disciple724,
Look you're going down a road that I don't want to travel on. You have not read my book and I will not give it all away here. This is a link to read the first 17 pages:
http://www.iuniverse.com/lookinside/LookInside.jsp?isbn=0595402348
No one showed up to rescue this person sooner because of a lighter skin tone. She had to cut through her roof like others. Actually your comments are off base. I wrote the story and you are going to the divisive good/bad hair, wannabe/gigaboo of Spike Lee's School Daze. My main character represents a strong woman with African American heritage. I'm pleased with reviews and feedback from readers of all ethnic backgrounds. Several African American bookclubs from all over the country have read this book and given me great feedback.
I submit a better target would the the obviously black but sex-starved, no morals women characters that are riddled throughout much of popular black literature today. Some of those cover almost need a brown wrapper on them. I was in New Orleans last November for a book fair and worked on a habitat house in St. Bernard Parish. I also drove down the Mississippi coast through Pas Christian, Biloxi and Gulfport. It is all still a wreck. The items that are money makers are up and going, French Quarters/Casinos but the whole area is still suffering.
As for writing for the masses(sellout), that's not possible. No one wants to hear the word Katrina anymore, outside of the affected area it's a turnoff. That's why I wrote a story to keep it in the public mind as much as my feeble efforts could. I have to sell around the word Katrina in the subtitle.
Just let me say this in closing. This is a diverse world and country, we have been subject to the one-drop rule for years. If you can't accept those among us of a lighter hue as fully one of the group, then we have gone back to the house vs. field days. That is a sad day that I don't want to see again. This would be a strange time to go live in that environment given the political landscape. I certainly don't discount my worth due to my own skin tone. By the way no one is coming to save us.
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Hen81
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Cynique,
To each their own perceptions.
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Disciple724
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I guess the end sum, is that we all have different reasons and motivations as to why we read and write. Undoubtedly, this is what makes us unique. Moreover, most of us have multiple reasons. Maybe, a structure quiz could help some of us prioritize , if any dare!
I have taken the liberty of dissecting and reshaping the question ( hope you don't mind Carey) and followed each with my own answers. Feel free to amend and add lettered options as you deem necessary. Great self discovery!
Q: 1) What is the primary reason that you read:
A) to gather ideas, knowledge, incite, wisdom, travel, etc...
B) to support others and provided therapy.
c) money, and personal gain
d) to escape reality, fantasize,
e) other (brief explanation)
Answer:
§ A. I have a tremendous thirst for knowledge and wisdom and reading offers me a chance to leverage others, especially my Ancestors ( see d below).
2) What are the secondary reasons that you read ( list in order of priority):
A) to gather ideas, knowledge, incite, wisdom, etc...
B) to support others and provided therapy.
c) money, and or personal gain
d) to escape reality, fantasize, travel to other places
e) other (brief explanation)
Answer:
§ B) By listening to others I find I am better able to responding to their needs. In return, I get a sense of self worth( this feeds my ego, but I don't think that I am tripping here). I feel useful, and when it is appreciated, I feel joy.
§ C) Knowledge, when used properly, can be spiritually, and materially profitable. Balance is key for me, as some values are best un-monetized. Lastly ...
§ D) Reading allows me to travel to places that time, and resources won't permit. I experience cultures different from my own. This helps us understand people that are not like myself. It also transcends me back in time, allowing me to visit my heritage and Ancestors; and in doing so discover my true nature. The Scriptures are ideal for me here; What a treasure chest!
3) What is the primary reason that you write:
A) to share ideas, interest, incite, wisdom, etc....
B) to vent and release; self therapeutic.
c) money, fame or fortune.
d) other (brief explanation)
Answer:
§ A) I want my son, brothers and sisters (blood and otherwise) to and appreciate the value of certain wisdoms that have been given to me by reading, thought, and prayer. Sharing is rewarding. Admittedly, there are risks here as those you love may reject you nonetheless. Somehow, one's joy is diminished when those that they love don't share it.
4) What are the secondary reasons that you write ( list in order of priority):
A) to share ideas, interest and incite.
B) to vent and release; self therapeutic.
c) money, fame or fortune.
d) other ( brief explanation)
Answer:
§ C) profit, although many times I have given it away freely; even though it has to me at considerable cost to me. Funny, I have found that unless you charge for it, most consider it worthless. And yet to some, wisdom, despite its great value, is to be avoided any all cost. Finally …
§ B) To vent, to a lesser extent; usually prayer and meditation works best for me here.
Final note: It accorded to me that all these change with time, and maturity and also are influenced by current situations and circumstances. Just one more twist in the puzzle of self discovery (ego). I guess the real test is how to refine the ego and to keep it in more perfect balance; to be aware and still not trip. I wonder what that will yield? |
Disciple724
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Cynique, some of us think more deeply; appreciating the complexity of the question at hand.
Ego is conscienceness, and some of us opt to be more conscience than others.
What about deep thought and discussion turns you off; so much that you feel you must throw spears?
Must everyone's answer be off the cuff; speaking what happens to be on their mind at the moment?
Lastly, never fall in love with your own opinions, I have found, that you might just have to change them! IMHO |
Carey
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WOW......WOW!
I leave to go catch a movie and hug and yawl up in here doin' it!
Lets see.....
Why do YOU write and why do YOU read?
............. *LOL*
Where is my pen? IT'S SUNDAY MORNING! |
Disciple724
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DT, Ok, by way of your persistence, I'll bite. Mostly because I am willing to see how you express yourself in story telling. Then I will offer my critique.
Don't be alarmed, as I am no literally genius; far from it. My strentgh lies in my thought process.
BTW, the crux of my debate was that first impressions go a long way towards capturing a targets attention, since we can't buy and/or read every book that is published. Moreover not every subject has broad appeal. Still if you believe that a story should be told, you will have to work harder to sell it, other times you might just have to give away; with the satisfaction of having told it as payment enough. Not everything can or should be priced in dollars. Send me info on how to purchase within the next few days. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 10:45 am: |
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Deep thought doesn't turn me off, Disciple, if I find it provocative and enlightening. But in a debate, verbosity can become tedious, redundant and irrelevant. Of course the solution to this problem is for a person to simply not read what they don't find compelling.
I confess to being the dart-thrower on this board. There are posters here who do seem to have a specialty, and, of course, everybody is entitled to express themselves in whatever way comes natural to them.  |
Hen81
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Disciple724,
My books are easy to order. You can get them here on AALBC:
http://aalbc.com/cgi/aalbcamazonproductsfeed.cgi?Operation=ItemSearch&Keywords=f ools+heaven&SearchIndex=Books
http://aalbc.com/cgi/aalbcamazonproductsfeed.cgi?Operation=ItemSearch&Keywords=r ooftop+diva&SearchIndex=Books
Audio:
http://www.recordedbooks.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=rb.show_prod&prod_id=CR437&con sumer
Since we share our thoughts here why not buy through here?
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Carey
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I like that Cyn-Cyn "There are posters here who do seem to have a specialty, and, of course, everybody is entitled to express themselves in whatever way comes natural to them".
What do you think, is the initiation of Disciple complete?
He is as you say, verbose. Do you think he will tuck and run or stick and stay?
I know where my money (if I were a gambler) would be placed!
Sooooo, you've finally raised your hand. You ol'dart-thrower . You are a insigator as well. Don't be stirring the pot of A_Womon. Old Refrigerator huh........good one! I like you, you can give it as well as take it. Now lets sit back, I am sure Hen81 and Disciple are not done *lol*.
Hey, let me ask you a question: Why do you write....NOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo.... |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2008 - 02:15 pm: |
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On this board, I write to communicate my ideas because, ego tripper that I am, I think that the different point of view which I inject into discussions makes people less comfortable in their entrenched attitudes. |
Cynique
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I think Disciple will do just fine in these environs because he's reasonable and non confrontational. |
Carey
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Hen81 and Disciple:
Although I may have joked about your debate, I was with you two the whole time. Each of you did a great job of supporting your claim. Really, some may have viewed it as Verbose yet I saw all the posts as necessary. Please don't let my sense of humor or anyones cynical remarks block your flow.
Nothing we say should imped the wisdom displayed in your exchanges. My hat is off to the both of you!
Again, imo, one of the best! |
Disciple724
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Carey, thanks again,
I may dig deep on a subject, but I have found there is more treasure beneath than there is on the surface. Drill, drill, drill! Your post are pretty darn good also, instigator that you are. |
Disciple724
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Cynique;
You and I can agree on the names of the letters of the english alphabet, I am sure.
Yet if we disagreed on the spelling of a particular word, where would we meet to settle that dispute? A dictionary right.
Therefore if this volume was create for the primary purpose of clarifying disputes surrounding definitions, why should we not use that tool?
If we each instead made up our own definition how will this not lead to misunderstanding s and miscommunications. How then could we ever be united?
Please respond; |
Cynique
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Post Number: 12484
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Good grief! I'm not knocking dictionaries. They are helpful references. But even experts don't always agree about definitions because they conceptualize things differently. |
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