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Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 5458
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2007 - 10:13 am: | 
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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071013/D8S8B38O0.html
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Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 2771
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 14, 2007 - 05:03 pm: |
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Sad, very sad. I'm sure it was it was unintentional, but it was murder.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 10286
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, October 14, 2007 - 06:51 pm: |
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I agree that very little outrage equals that shown by animal lovers reacting to any hint of cruelty shown toward their furry friends. It's like black kids are disposable, especially if they exhibit anti-social behavior. |
Doberman23
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Username: Doberman23
Post Number: 1068
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 04:14 am: |
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i remember seeing this a while back on tv. the nurse just stood there while they had the kid in a choke hold. he was on the slim and small side so i don't see why it took so many of them to be involved in the first place. i don't know the extent of the charges but i don't think that the guards should have had to serve life in jail for this incident. should all of them be fired and serve some sort of punishment for the death? yes.
when someone takes on this kind of job, they find out real quick that they are dealing with a bunch of little assholes who have little or no respect for anything other than themselves. it takes a special kind of person to deal with these little assholes on a day to day basis and it was apparent that these weren't the right people for the job.
they more than obviously went too far in this situation, but i do understand that just talking to these particular juveniles just won't work either.
this wasn't a racist act, this was over aggressive guards and an incompetent nurse .. who took things to far. |
Doberman23
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Username: Doberman23
Post Number: 1069
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 04:17 am: |
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oh yeah i forgot, the tv report showed that they tried to cover up the death ... so the warden is the one who should be doing the most time. and of course the nurse. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 2772
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 02:14 pm: |
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"when someone takes on this kind of job, they find out real quick that they are dealing with a bunch of little assholes who have little or no respect for anything other than themselves."
Bro Dobs, this is so true! Many people seem to have this mindset that juvenile offenders today are like the ones in West Side Story or like the teenagers who put fire crackers in your mail box in Leave It To Beaver. They have no idea how violent, aggressive and remorseless these offenders are. They are just as dangerous and violent at 13, 14 or 15 as they are at 25 or 30. The general public does not understand this. They believe since they are young, they just need a little mentoring, time outs or taken on trips to Sea World. Listen up people: MANY OF THESE YOUNG OFFENDERS CAN BE YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE. THEY HAVE NO REMORSE OR CONSCIOUS FOR THEIR SENESLESS CRIMES. THEY WILL VICIOUSLY BRUTALIZE OR KILL YOU OR YOUR CHILDREN AND BRAG ABOUT IT! FOR THE FEMALES, THEY WILL REPEATEDLY RAPE YOU ANALLY, ORALLY AND VAGINALLY WITH THEIR OWN SEX ORGANS OR WITH OBJECTS. THEY DON'T CARE. AND YOUR PLEADING CRIES OF PAIN AND FEAR ONLY EXCITES THEM MORE. I know this sounds bad or perhaps deliberately exaggerated and incendiary. But it is true.
"it takes a special kind of person to deal with these little assholes on a day to day basis and it was apparent that these weren't the right people for the job."
True again. The average person is not suited for these jobs. There are people who specialize and have the patience for this kind of work. But unfortunately, these people snapped and choked the boy out. I'm not defending what they did. They were wrong. But the teenagers in these detention and correction facilities are mentally no different than their older counterparts in San Quentin or Pelican Bay. Trust me!
"they more than obviously went too far in this situation, but i do understand that just talking to these particular juveniles just won't work either."
Ya got that right! As I said, the average person does not comprehend nor believe the level of extreme violence and aggressive behavior they possess. It's only they are personally confronted or witness their remorseless criminally, do they realize this. But for many, when this does occur, their reality check is too late.
"this wasn't a racist act, this was over aggressive guards and an incompetent nurse .. who took things to far."
Race is irrelevant. They began their own form of behavioral remediation and it went array. They fucked up. And now they are no better than the mini thugs they are paid to reform and detain.
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 10294
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 02:23 pm: |
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The specially-qualified people who can effectively deal with these "little assholes" probably aren't on the staff of boot camps. So you're left with a bunch of sadistic unprofessionals who are good at punishing bodies as oppposed to rehabing souls. It's a no-win situation. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 5469
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 03:06 pm: |
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Race is irrelevant.
(Until it happens to your black ass) |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 5474
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 03:18 pm: |
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The specially-qualified people who can effectively deal with these "little assholes" probably aren't on the staff of boot camps. So you're left with a bunch of sadistic unprofessionals who are good at punishing bodies as oppposed to rehabing souls. It's a no-win situation)
(Amen.
Everybody drops the ball in this situation. You got a kid who gets so out of control his parent or parents is so desperate that they will give him over to a sadist to "discipline"--
I tell you, if a kid has got to this point, the kid has something seriously wrong with him or the parent has.
But why don't they get psychiatric help for him? Why is the solution for Black Pathology a beating and white pathology psychology--or nothing.
Those Columbine killers' parents didn't see fit to put them in no boot camp. Whazzup wit dat? |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 5477
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 03:42 pm: |
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They have no idea how violent, aggressive and remorseless these offenders are. They are just as dangerous and violent at 13, 14 or 15 as they are at 25 or 30. The general public does not understand this
(Don't try to pull that crap out on me. I have talked to 12 year olds not long after they finished killing somebody.
Those kids were just as violent as these kids now. They were knifing people, beating people to death.
People are killers. You have to teach a dog to attack a person but you have to teach a person not to--very young, too.
In the end, they, unlike hardened adult killers are still kids. If you can't handle them then you need another job.
These white men and their Negro apologists think they are entitled to get jobs to brutalize Negroes.
They want to beat Negroes. It makes them feel good and makes plenty of Negroes feel good to see a white man beating Negroes--which they wish they could do the sick fucks!
If you approach another human being with hate and disgust in your heart, they pick it up and you cannot deal with them.
I know, you will say I have a Mary Poppins, hippy style love everybody attitude.
No.
I can recall one time I was helping some people carry out an eviction. This tenant had warned that if his stuff was touched, he was going to kill anybody, etc etc.
When we showed up we had about a dozen cops with us.
As soon as we started carrying out the stuff, this guy pulls around in a car, leaps out, and shouts, "Put that shit back there!"
I just smiled, walked over to him and put my arm around his shoulders. I spoke to him and he just sort of broke down and talked while the stuff was carried out.
People wondered what my secret was. I just patted him on the shoulder and in all sympathy let him know I thought this was a goddam shame too and I was sorry but we had our orders and let him know by my manner and in so many words, without saying it directly, that, by the way take a look at all these guys with sticks and guns and we could beat, shoot and stomp him to death and get away with it if we wanted but there was no reason to let it get there and let him talk hisself out and even offered him the name of a lawyer to call
I handled bunches of evictions. Unless they were crazy the people knew they had to get out. All they wanted was some respect while you were doing it. Tell 'em its a goddam shame and you don't even want to stay with some sunofabitches that would treat you this way and sign this paper for me, bro.
Respect! The same respect you would give a dog! You wouldn't grab a dog by the leash and drag him. You would speak to him and pet him and take time and take him away.
But a Negro isn't entitled to it.
Shame on a society that feels this way. It cannot stand.
Patience,my old man used to say. When you get down to it, all most folks want is to have their say. They know when they got to take it.
It's when you think they ain't entitled to it, or you ain't got the time, you got problems.
Of course not everybody has this ability, neither do I all the time. But if you can't cook don't go in the kitchen.
Any adult who cannot handle a skinny little kid does not need a job fooling with them. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 5478
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 03:43 pm: |
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This incident now lets me know why Negroes, knowing their friends and relatives have to go to jail, do everything they can to keep them out.
Because they will get killed is why. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 2775
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 04:10 pm: |
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"This incident now lets me know why Negroes, knowing their friends and relatives have to go to jail, do everything they can to keep them out."
Brilliant thinking! That's right, even though they have raped, murdered, viciously assaulted or sell drugs doesn't mean you are not obligated from doing everything to keep yo folks from going to jail. Wow! Bravo Zulu Chris, you're a genius.
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Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 5487
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 04:23 pm: |
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Brilliant thinking! That's right, even though they have raped, murdered, viciously assaulted or sell drugs doesn't mean you are not obligated from doing everything to keep yo folks from going to jail. Wow! Bravo Zulu Chris, you're a genius.
(I, not being a barefooted savage, assume that if a person has been sentenced to jail, it does not mean that persons are at liberty to kill him.
This is why inmates who kill other inmates are prosecuted.
I, not being a low down, dirty snake in the grass who is afraid of his own people, assume that even if a person is sentenced to be executed, said exeuction must be carried out in a lawful manner.
If you stomp a dog to death in the pound, people like you want to hang them.
If they kill a Negro, you want to give them a medal.
How can you live with yourself?) |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 2780
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 07:56 pm: |
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"If you stomp a dog to death in the pound, people like you want to hang them.
If they kill a Negro, you want to give them a medal.
How can you live with yourself?"
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Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 2351
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 09:16 am: |
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Bottom line: if this young man collapsed after physical activity to the extent that they had to use amonia to revive him, then at that moment that particular "training" exercise should have been over. It is unbelievable that they were not even convicted of lesser charges, such as culpable negligence.
Adult criminals in maximum security prisons seem to have more protections than juveniles in these kind of facilities. Add to this that these kind of "get tough" and "scared straight" programs have little to no empirical support for their effectiveness and one has to wonder why states would even risk liability in the first place.
I hope that the family pursues civil charges and is able to send a clear message. |
Yvettep
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 01:32 pm: |
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From the NY Times:
Parents who come to wit’s end with troubled teenagers sometimes enroll them in residential treatment programs — so-called boot camps or wilderness camps — that offer challenging activities, like hiking and climbing, and military-style discipline that is supposed to help set youngsters straight. Juvenile-justice researchers have long shown that the camps are less effective at curbing delinquency than boosters claim. Now an alarming study by the Government Accountability Office shows that the “tough love” strategy, as practiced in this largely unregulated industry, can place children at risk of abuse, injury or even death.
The study, unveiled at Congressional hearings last week, found thousands of allegations of abuse and neglect at residential treatment programs over the last 17 years. The numbers are sketchy because no federal agency collects national data, and in far too many states, monitoring of the camps is lax. A number of states regulate publicly funded programs, but don’t license or regulate the private programs.
The G.A.O. report focuses on the heart-rending deaths of 10 teenagers. In one of the most outrageous cases, parents enrolled their 15-year-old daughter in a Utah wilderness program after she was the victim of a date rape. They hoped the experience would help build confidence and improve her self-esteem. Instead, the girl died of dehydration while on a five-day march. The staff members — advertised as a group of “highly trained survival experts” — accused her of faking and pushed her onward until she finally collapsed. No one could even call for help because the counselors were not carrying radios.
The study also found that there is a frightening lack of accountability even when things go terribly wrong. According to the report, five of the programs where young people died are still operating, some under new names or in new states. The founder of the Utah camp moved to another state and opened another program that was later closed down by the authorities. The founder then went to work at still another wilderness program where another teenager died. According to the G.A.O., she “is still working in the industry as a consultant, providing advice to parents who may not know of her history.”
Parents need to think twice before enrolling their children in these programs. Beyond that, lawmakers at both the state and federal levels need to bring these camps under much closer regulatory scrutiny.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/16/opinion/16tue3.html?_r=1&oref=slogin |
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