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Yvettep
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"Jazz Greats Return to Glory on DVD"
See clips here: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14222410
Capturing seven of America's greatest jazz icons at the height of their powers in Europe, a new DVD collection offers a fresh perspective on the likes of Duke Ellington, John Coltrane, Sarah Vaughan, Charles Mingus and Dave Brubeck.
Until this week, American audiences have never seen most of these revealing and remarkable '50s and '60s performances, which spent many years buried in European governmental archives. Through these seven DVDs, which benefit from excellent audio and video quality, viewers can glean plentiful insights on these legends' personalities and talents, their approach to music and their appearances and actions in a live setting...
Among many rare treats, the set offers the opportunity to hear a German recording of Coltrane performing with Stan Getz and Oscar Peterson in 1960, as well as an assortment of illuminating between-song moments, such as the one in which Wes Montgomery teaches a song to a group of Dutch performers, in the process explaining its structure and tempo. Unlike most recordings for American TV at the time, the European shows simply rolled tape for moments that display the performers' personalities, whether it was Montgomery's graciousness, Charles Mingus' cantankerous nature, or Sarah Vaughan's nervousness as she performed in 1958.
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Troy
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I heard this today as well I just posted these DVD's on this web site.
Didn't you just Love Sarah Vaughan singing Billie's tune.
Here is a link to the box set: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000TNJINS/ref=nosim/aalbccom-20
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Cynique
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John Coltrane, Stan Getz and Oscar Peterson! What a triumvirate that has to be! |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 12:08 pm: |
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Until this week, American audiences have never seen most of these revealing and remarkable '50s and '60s performances, which spent many years buried in European governmental archives
(You hadn't heard them because nobody else thought they were worth putting out. Now they are scraping the bottom of the barrell for people desperate to hear something cut before 1960--
What next? Miles Farts? Mingus Throws Up? Ornette Coleman digs between his toes and smells it. |
Yvettep
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 12:57 pm: |
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What next? Miles Farts? Mingus Throws Up?
...Chris pontificates?
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Chrishayden
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Chris pontificates?
(At least it would be fresh...wait a minute. The liner notes say, "Live at the Apollo Theater in Harlem, 1967") |
Cynique
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I can't believe that chrishayden would try and put down "vintage" recordings. Especially if they contain spontaneous ad libbing. |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2007 - 02:32 pm: |
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They put out everything that's worth it by now. |
Cynique
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That's like saying that the original drafts of a masterpiece have no intrinsic value. |
Mzuri
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Good Grief Chris Hayden. How can you say they put out everything that's worth anything when you haven't even heard everything?
Sometimes you seem so brilliant and then there's just the real you.
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Ntfs_encryption
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"They put out everything that's worth it by now."
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! That's funny. Chris, do you ever think about what you write before you post it? Just curious..... First of all, your comment is ridiculous. That said, recordings from personal collections and newly discovered archived videos are being brought forth all the time. One of the most recent was Coltrane and Monk live at the Five Spot. A guy stumbled across this gem accidentally. It was buried at the LOC. No one knew it existed until he accidentally discovered it.
Many of the European televised concerts of Eric Dolphy, Charles Mingus, Sonny Rollins and others are being discovered and documented for public consumption. I came across an incredible Sonny Rollins video from 1958 with Henry Grimes on bass at YouTube last night. I was stunned because I had never heard of nor saw this particular trio recording before. It was simply awesome but where did it come from????? Why was it not available a year ago?
I was in Borders yesterday and saw a Miles Davis quintet, "Live in Milan 1964." I knew of the recording date many years ago via a guy in Poland (or all places) who had posted a listing of broadcasted Miles European concerts (e.g., Vienna, Warsaw, London, Paris, et al). Same thing goes for a Charles Mingus concert date that was recorded at UCLA in 1965. So fortunately, you are very wrong. Historical as well as quality music is constantly being discovered and made available to the public.
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Chrishayden
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They put out everything that's worth it by now.
(I used to be gullible as you poor pitiful dupes--when somebody discovered a dusty old tape done by one of my favorite artists and never intended for release and put it out I would run and buy it--to be ultimately disappointed and ripped off.
If you ain't heard it, it ain't worth it.
Go on. Obviously you don't have lives and have to fall for anything the music companies throw out there-- |
Cynique
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Why do you think your experiences are so definitve, and are the standard by which everything should be measured, chrishayden? Maybe your being disappointment over the release of previously unheard material is a indication of the stupidity inherent in not being able to appreciate the uniqueness of a vintage impromptu performance captured and preserved in a vinyl disc. |
Steve_s
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He doesn't even know who Henry Grimes is. He probably thinks you're talking about the main character in Go Tell It On The Mountain (John Grimes). LOL
Another newly discovered set is the Monk and Coltrane at Carnegie Hall. Yeah, like that's not great.
Anyway, thanks for the tip on the YouTube video of the Sonny Rollins trio. I have the recording of the same trio (except that Pete La Roca is on drums) in Stockhlom 1959. It's on a French label but same tunes, same King Super 20 tenor, etc.
I picked up Joshua Redman's new trios CD. He plays a few of the same standards that Sonny recorded, but with original arrangements with modulations and other surprises. I have it on my iPod but haven't had a chance to listen to much of it yet.
He calls it "Back East" (one of Sonny's trio dates is called "Way Out West") but the liner notes contain quotations about East and West from: Rudyard Kipling, Henry David Thoreau, Horace Greeley, John Colrane, Ornette Coleman, and Edward W. Said! (He must have read it; I did too, although I doubt that my opinion's the same as his).
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Yvettep
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Steve, the Joshua Redman is excellent. I am very happy at how he is stretching out and paying tribute. It is kind of how I felt when Wynton began his "standard time" series of releases. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"I used to be gullible as you poor pitiful dupes--when somebody discovered a dusty old tape done by one of my favorite .................
If you ain't heard it, it ain't worth it.
Go on. Obviously you don't have lives and have to fall for anything the music companies throw out there--"
And there ya it. See what happens to the brain after years and years of intensive drug use?
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Steve_s
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Hi Yvettep, Yay! I listened to some of it today. I love it. I agree with you about the standard time series too. I also liked Hot House Flowers the string ablum from the eighties.
Bassist Henry Grimes was out of music for a long time but started playing again not too long ago. My late friend used to have a quartet with him, Roswell Rudd, and the late Steve Lacy in the sixties before Steve moved to Paris. They only played Monk tunes and only recorded one album called School Days, which is amazing but is long out of print. Oh well.
Oh, have you read any of the Junot Diaz novel? I read a few pages in the bookstore. It starts out with a bunch of jive about magic and the supposed curse on all those who supported Trujillo, like JFK and even Trujillo's assassins, former generals in his army. I guess that's the politically correct version, a term I seldom use. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"He doesn't even know who Henry Grimes is. He probably thinks you're talking about the main character in Go Tell It On The Mountain (John Grimes). LOL "
This is true....
"Another newly discovered set is the Monk and Coltrane at Carnegie Hall."
Wonderful recording. I wasn't too happy about the CD graphics, but the music was outstanding. This particular recording along with the Five Spot recordings, are the only surviving recordings (at this point) of that fantastic Monk-Coltrane group.
"Anyway, thanks for the tip on the YouTube video of the Sonny Rollins trio. I have the recording of the same trio (except that Pete La Roca is on drums) in Stockhlom 1959. It's on a French label but same tunes, same King Super 20 tenor, etc."
OMG! I love that recording! Yeah, Live in Stockholm is fantastic recording. Love the picture of Rollins on that cover. It's just an extension of the monumental 1957 trio Village Vanguard trio recording. Mr. Rollins plans to reenact this historical recording date with Christian McBride and Roy Haynes, 18 Sept 2007 at Carnegie Hall. Naturally, the event is sold out. One of my best friends will be in attendance.
"I picked up Joshua Redman's new trios CD. He plays a few of the same standards that Sonny recorded, but with original arrangements with modulations and other surprises."
I've heard of but I have not listened to it as of yet. It was a serious blow to the music when his father Dewey, passed away. Dewey Redman was an original and I'm insane about his collaborations with Ornette. "Where is Brooklyn?" Need I say any more? Oh yeah, have you heard the Donald Harrison trio recording\? I was shocked to see this release. I also like the Bradford Marsalis trio dates.
"He calls it "Back East" (one of Sonny's trio dates is called "Way Out West")......."
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! That's so funny. But when you are clueless about this particular genre of music (among others), what do you expect?
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Ntfs_encryption
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"Bassist Henry Grimes was out of music for a long time but started playing again not too long ago."
Yep! Glad to see him back. his hiatus from the music and life in general is interesting if not depressing. I'm sure you are aware of his works on Bernard Stollman's ESP label. Lotta hard core music was produced during that period. The old site had pictures of many of the ESP artists when they were young (Sunny Murray, Milford Graves, Jane Getz, Steve Lacy, Giuseppi Logan, Sonny Simmons, Paul Bley, etc, etc...). Absolutely outstanding. For some unknown reason, that site was shut down and a new one has taken it's place. It has neither the scope nor depth of the first site.
"My late friend used to have a quartet with him, Roswell Rudd, and the late Steve Lacy in the sixties before Steve moved to Paris. They only played Monk tunes and only recorded one album called School Days, which is amazing but is long out of print."
Funny you should say that. Steve Lacy is one of my favorite artists. I probably have more Steve Lacy recordings that the LOC! He was the recognized Monkologist. I saw him once in Chicago in a duet with Roscoe Mitchell. I also have every one of his original Hat Hut recordings. My first introduction to Lacy was his BYG Actuel (a French record label founded in the late 1960s by Jacques Bisceglia , Jean-Luc Young and Jean Georgakarakos) recording from that incredible Paris music fest in 1969 (Archie Shepp, AEC, Don Cherry, Sunny Murray, Claude Thornton, Alan Silva, Aurthur Jones, etc, etc....). And I love those Rudd and Lacy recordings. Lacy and Rudd also did interpretations of Herbie Nichols music.
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Steve_s
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Nice to meet you. You've heard everything! I used to have hundreds of records because when I lived in the East Village and before that, Central Square Cambridge, I lived near two great used record stores and I'd stop in every day and find all kinds of bargains on rare records. Unfortunately, I had my apartment broken into one time and that was the end of my record collection!
Yes, as you say, the Stockholm trio is an extension of the Village Vanguard trios and then in the 70s Blue Note released a double album of unissued takes from the Vanguard sessions. Henry Grimes is the bassist on the three trio numbers on Sonny Rollins and the Big Brass, recorded in 1958. That one I have on CD.
I haven't heard the Donald Harrison trio with Ron Carter and Billy Cobham. How do you like it?
I like the Branford Marsalis trio recordings, Trio Jeepy and The Dark Keys, especially his arrangement of Ornette Coleman's "Peace" and "Doxy" on Trio Jeepy. I could never figure out the concept they were using on that tune but it sounds great. I also like the Kenny Garrett trio stuff.
I had a bunch of the original ESP records, a few I can think of are Ornette Coleman at Town Hall, the NY Art Quartet, and the Pharoah Sanders record with Jane Getz on piano and William Bennett on bass. One of the first jazz gigs I played in NYC was in Brooklyn and saxophonist Charles Tyler was in the audience. He introduced himself and said something complimentary or supportive, which I've found to be the norm among musicians of that generation.
I never had more that 4 or 5 Steve Lacy records, but he's one of the great saxophonists in jazz. Right now I just have a duo he did with Mal Waldron. I never had many Hat Hut or BYG Actuel records (was Dewey Redman's "Tarik" on that label?) because in the '70s I was mostly into other things.
I like Back East though. It's dedicated to his mother and in memory of his father, who plays on two tracks.
Yeah, I like Joshua Redman. I loved the acoustic quartet, particularly Beyond which features the duet with Mark Turner, and especially the one that followed, I think it was called "Passage of Time." I love that album, but I wasn't into the organ trio, I mean, Yaya3 was alright but I didn't dig "Elastic" because of the endless arrangements, or at least so it seemed the few times I listened to it. So I never listened to the next one, "Gaining Momentum." Maybe I should get a copy and give it a chance. Of his earlier recordings I like "Wish" and I also like "Timeless Tales," the first album he did after he changed mouthpieces. I also like the arrangements he does on the standard tune. You know who else is really good at that? Don Braden.
Another CD reissue I just picked up is Joe Henderon "Power to the People." The title is kind of dated but the music is not. It's a beautiful recording, comparable to the mid-1960s Miles Davis group.
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Steve_s
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I was given the ESP records by someone who lived on Riverside Drive and had stacks of records in his apartment, probably the owner himself. I went there with my friend and his friend who were in college together in Chicago. He gave each of us about five records. That couldn't have been too long after the company was founded.
I love the way Dewey Redman played in the Keith Jarrett quartet, which was inside compared to his playing with Ornette. One tune I remember is called Southern Smiles. I bought his Impulse album Ear of the Behearer which was kind of out. I always thought his sound fit Keith Jarrett's quartet better than Jan Garbarek, although I liked that group too.
You mentioned Milford Graves. Have you read the interview with Sunny Murray on the Internet? Here's a bit of it you might find interesting:
When did you first meet Milford?
Roswell Rudd came up to me when I was playing with Gary and Albert and Don Cherry on “New York Eye and Ear Control”. Roswell had this idea to do something with John Tchicai and a bass player friend of Albert's from Cleveland, Lewis Worrell. Lewis played with us in and out at that time too, but because we had Gary, Lewis was open for a gig, and Roswell had plans for him and me to be in the Contemporary Five. He had a little dinner party, and I was having a joke saying like “Oh I'm not playing with John Tchicai...!” And Roswell got all serious, and he said “Well I got something for you... I met this guy in Boston and he's gonna be the next avant-garde drummer.” And he took me to his loft and he showed me a nice drum set. “See those drums? They could have been yours. You never had no drum set.” I paid him no mind. A week or so later he calls to me. “Sunny, I want you to come over and meet somebody.” And it was Milford. He didn't even know my name, he'd just come in from Boston, playing congas and bongos. He knew nothing about nobody, least of all Charlie Parker, but that was OK. Next thing I know there's the Contemporary Five, and they've got pictures of Milford dressed in a tie and a suit like the MJQ! I listened to them rehearse in Roswell's place, and Milford didn't even know which pedal was which! If you'd asked him for a paradiddle he'd think you wanted two eggs and bacon. Quote musician's joke unquote.
Then there was Leroi Jones [aka Amiri Baraka], [Allen] Ginsberg's and [William] Burroughs' little teddy bear (not Jack Kerouac's, thank God) who changed his spots and became a jazz critic. He spoke and defended new music aggressively – his heart and soul were in the right place, but his head wasn’t always. Cecil used to check him through sometimes. He started writing about Milford and me in the same articles, which I thought was bull____. When I won the Downbeat New Star Talent Deserving Wider Recognition award in 1966, which I think I earned for creating something different on the jazz scene, Leroi put out a great filibuster until his friends finally gave the 1967 New Star to Milford. That changed my feelings about Downbeat, as well as justice and honesty in art – I felt my music was being used in a power game, because there were drummers like Eddie Blackwell, Steve McCall, Charlie Persip and Louis Hayes who had come through the ranks with me, and if by some freak I'd won the award they should get it too... but Milford? I didn't have much to say to Leroi at that period. (I hadn't gotten too political yet, because I always considered politics too intellectual for me, I'm a kind of action guy. Intellectuals always made more money than me!) Eventually Leroi and I became brothers in the struggle in avant-garde music, and I'll say now he was one of the cats who did most to keep black music alive.
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"I used to have hundreds of records because when I lived in the East Village and before that, Central Square Cambridge,...."
Cool! I'm sure you had the opportunity to see quite a bit of music back then. A lot of music was happening back in those days. I'm sure you remember the Five Spot, Studio Rivbea, Tin Palace, Ladies Fort, Boomer's, etc....
"Unfortunately, I had my apartment broken into one time and that was the end of my record collection!"
What a drag! I can imagine the angst and sadness seeing such an extensive collection that took you years to build, only to have it stolen from you. Someone had to see them carrying all those records out.
"Yes, as you say, the Stockholm trio is an extension of the Village Vanguard trios and then in the 70s Blue Note released a double album of unissued takes from the Vanguard sessions. Henry Grimes is the bassist on the three trio numbers....."
I have that particular Blue Note Twofer. Great picture of Sonny on the cover. If you recall, Blue Note released a series of those awesome Twofers; Herbie Nichols, Jackie McLean, Cecil Taylor ( 4tet with Steve Lacy!!!), Sam Rivers, Lester Young, et al. I heard of Herbie Nichols because of the A. B. Spellman book but I had never heard his music prior to that. I was blown away by that particular double release -The Third World.
Believe it or not, when the Japanese began releasing all those Blue Note records, there were three separate Sonny Rollins Village Vanguard trio sessions that were pressed. All three had the original cover graphics, just a different color tint was used for each separate record session. Not too many people know about this.
"I haven't heard the Donald Harrison trio with Ron Carter and Billy Cobham. How do you like it?"
It's ok. Too be honest, I'm not that excited about it.
"I like the Branford Marsalis trio recordings, Trio Jeepy and The Dark Keys, especially his arrangement of Ornette Coleman's "Peace" and "Doxy" on Trio Jeepy. I could never figure out the concewpt they were using on that tune but it sounds great."
Oh yeah! I like those Branford trio recordings too. To be honest, I think he is much more adventuresome and creative than Wynton. I like some things Wynton (the early stuff with Kirk Lightsey, Kenny Kirkland and Bradford) has previously done but he seems to be vacillating in a time warp, trying to reconstruct what already has been done with no real challenging changes. Branford is way ahead when attempting to express new ideas and improvisation. IMO.
Love the Kenny Garrett trio stuff also. I have all of them. When you finish reading this post, go to YouTube and type in Garrett's name. There are some very nice live sets of his posted there. Ya gotta check out his version of Coltrane's "Giant Steps". Very nice.
"I had a bunch of the original ESP records, a few I can think of are Ornette Coleman at Town Hall, the NY Art Quartet, and the Pharoah Sanders record with Jane Getz on piano and William Bennett on bass."
I found the ESP recordings to be very interesting. The Sanders recording was his first recording date as a leader. I'll never forget the first time I heard it. And the NYC Art Quartet with John Tchicai, Roswell Rudd, Milford Graves and Reggie Workman featured Amiri Baraka doing his poetry. Classic recording!!!!!!!
One of the first jazz gigs I played in NYC was in Brooklyn and saxophonist Charles Tyler was in the audience. He introduced himself and said something complimentary or supportive,.....
What do you play? Charles Tyler! Wow! I haven't heard anyone mention that brothers name in a long time. Another talented musician who labors in obscurity. Check out his Charles Tyler Ensemble on ESP. Very creative baritone player.
"I never had many Hat Hut or BYG Actuel records (was Dewey Redman's "Tarik" on that label?) because in the '70s I was mostly into other things."
Absolutely! I have the original BYG record and it is now available on CD. He opens up the first side with a crazy solo on musette. Very hard core recoding with Malachi Favors on bass and Eddie Blackwell on drums.
"You know who else is really good at that? Don Braden."
Oh yeah. Check out his website: http://www.donbraden.com/
"Another CD reissue I just picked up is Joe Henderon "Power to the People." The title is kind of dated but the music is not. It's a beautiful recording, comparable to the mid-1960s Miles Davis group."
I'm familiar with just about everything Joe Henderson recorded. I LOVE THE MANS PLAYING!!!! I met him numerous times in San Diego and we became fast friends. I used to call him. He lived in Northern Cal in the Bay Area. Joe Henderson was (and still is) one of my favorite musicians. I love all those incredible Blue Note recordings (Black Fire, Page One, Mode for Joe, Inner Urge, et al). Power to The People? Hell yeah! The music on this disc is awesome! Check out; Isotope, Power To The People, Black Narcissus, Opus One-Point-Five, and more. And ya gotta check ou his other Milestone classic; "Tetragon". I love that recording.
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Andrew Hill's "Black Fire" is really hip isn't it? I waited for years for them to reissue that one. Yeah, Tetragon and The Kicker are two more great ones. What do you think of Lush Life: Joe Henderson plays the music of Billy Strayhorn?
I went to Borders today and I think they must be phasing out the music department because they hardly have anything anymore. I bought Branford's lastest, but there wasn't much else new. Strange. Anyway, I'm glad I didn't buy the Donald Harrison if you didn't like it.
What do you think of Greg Osby? The library here has six of his CDs so I just grabbed them all and put them on my iPod. Also, have you heard "Ivey-Divey" by Don Byron with Jason Moran, which was voted record of the year by Downbeat or Jazz Times? I grabbed it too.
Have you ever heard Jason Moran's "The Bandwagon," particulary the cut called "Ringing My Phone (Straight Outta Istanbul)" where he plays a simultaneous piano solo to a Turkish woman's sing-song voice in a telephone conversation? Weird, but I love it. Also borrowed Wise Children by Tom Harrell, What Now? by Kenny Wheeler featuring Chris Potter, Love Letters by Roy Haynes featuring Joshua Redman, and a couple of CDs by Kurt Elling. What do you think of him? He does a vocalese on Coltrane's solo on Resolution from A Love Supreme using his own lyrics. I think I read that he has a graduate degree in the philosophy of religion from the University of Chicago. Here's an out take from the recording session, not as good as the one on the record (click the speaker icon. LOL)
http://www.kurtelling.com/music/live_in_chicago_out_takes/#resolution_1
I read a few pages of Ben Ratliff's new book about John Coltrance at Barnes and Noble. It seems interesting. Here's his obituary for Lucky Thompson (unattributed) which originally appeared in the NY Times. I was touched by this:
http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/news.php?id=6814
"Fiercely intelligent" is right. You have to be to play like that. Maybe he should have stayed in Paris. The idea that he walked long distances and lived close to nature seems like something out of a novel I wish I could write.
Thanks for the info on the Kenny Garrett video, I'll check it out. If you've heard it, what do you think of his latest CD, The Great Wall, with Pharoah Sanders?
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I didn't describe the Jason Moran song very well. I didn't know what it was when I first heard it but I think it's a woman talking on the telephone in a a very musical way which he apparently transcribed note-for-note and plays on the piano in synch with her voice with rhythm section accompaniment. |
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Hi Steve
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Hi LiLi!
I found an mp3 of the song "Ringing My Phone," with the woman talking in Turkish. It plays automatically on my computer. Could you tell me if it works for you? Thanks.
http://www.jasonmoran.com/mp3.html |
Ntfs_encryption
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"Andrew Hill's "Black Fire" is really hip isn't it? I waited for years for them to reissue that one. Yeah, Tetragon and The Kicker are two more great ones."
I love "Black Fire". A classic masterpiece by Joe with Andrew Hill.
"What do you think of Lush Life: Joe Henderson plays the music of Billy Strayhorn? "
Nice!!!! Although I missed the Billy Strayhorn PBS documentary. Arrrrggghhhh..! I was very bitter about that.
"I went to Borders today and I think they must be phasing out the music department because they hardly have anything anymore."
Borders is weak! When Tower Records went down, it was a serious blow! I used to go to one in Japan that was 8 stories high!! I was on a train every weekend to make my music mecca. I loved it!
"What do you think of Greg Osby?"
I like Greg Osby. I have a number of his recordings.
"Have you ever heard Jason Moran's "The Bandwagon," particulary the cut called "Ringing My Phone (Straight Outta Istanbul)" where he plays a simultaneous piano solo to a Turkish woman's sing-song voice in a telephone conversation? "
Haven't heard it. How is it?
"........ and a couple of CDs by Kurt Elling. What do you think of him?"
Great vocalist. I saw him last year at the Monterrey Jazz Fest.
"I read a few pages of Ben Ratliff's new book about John Coltrance at Barnes and Noble."
Talk about JC, were you aware of the "Church of Saint John Coltrane"? No shit bro! I'm in Oakland as I write this and I'm listening to KPOO FM. They play Tranes music from 12pm -4pm every Tuesday non-stop. The church is located in the Filmore area in San Francisco. I looked for it the other day but I couldn't find it.
http://www.coltranechurch.org/
"It seems interesting. Here's his obituary for Lucky Thompson........."
Lucky Thompson was another overlooked and highly underrated player. I loved his very subtle nuanced soprano work. Check out his Prestige recording, "Lucky Strike" (after the then popular cigarette). He also had a very nice Mainstream recording. I can't think of the record off the top of my head.
Thanks for the info on the Kenny Garrett video, I'll check it out. If you've heard it, what do you think of his latest CD, The Great Wall, with Pharoah Sanders?
Haven't heard it yet but I did see it. There is so much music being release, it's almost impossible to keep track of everything. I'm always coming across things that have been out and I had no idea about their release.
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I listened to "Black Fire" one more time after you mentioned it. It's beautiful and Andrew Hill sounds very Bud Powell-influenced. So does Jason Moran in a slightly different way. Joe Henderson sounds particularly amazing and reminds me a little of Clifford Jordan who had a similar post-Sonny Rollins approach at the time, except that Joe is playing more saxophone. Clifford Jordan's "Spellbound" is one that I find myself listening to a lot. I also like some of stuff that Blue Mitchell and Junior Cook recorded for Riverside in the early '60s like "Junior's Cookin'" and "The Cup Bearers." But "Black Fire" seems much more like hard bop to me now than it did when it was first released. You know I used to have the original LP which was offered as a freebie when you bought a subscription to Downbeat. When I renewed my subscription I got this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Art-Farmer/dp/B0000563M6/ref=m_art_li_7/102-7815903-632094 5
The new Branford CD, "Braggtown," is very similar to "Crazy People Music" which was released in the early '90s. It's uncompromising music. The first tune is in the style of a Coltrane modal piece similar to Transition, but the blowing gets pretty free. The second tune is a melodic piece on soprano in the Keith Jarrett / Dewey Redman vein. The one tune he plays on alto is almost like a classical theme with a walking rhythm. It's good but I don't know how much I'll listen to it.
I think the Kenny Garrett CD is called "Beyond the Wall," and it features Pharoah Sanders. It seemed pretty intense from the bits I heard, maybe the title has something to do with a wall of sound. I didn't buy it. I have almost everything of his, but the one I really like is "Songbook" with Kenny Kirkland, mostly because of the tunes. A departure from the usual fare of minor blues and burning modal tunes.
I linked an audio clip of the Jason Moran tune above. It's unusual.
Yeah, I have checked out Lucky Strikes. I know the Mainstream album that you mean but don't think I've ever heard it.
I've been to SF and Oakland but never to the church, although I've seen vidoes of musicians like Craig Handy performing there.
Yeah, I like Kurt Elling and Greg Osby too. When I lived in Europe, a long time ago now, all the young saxophonists were not surprisingly into Kenny Garrett and Branford, but Steve Coleman and Greg Osby were the next most popular saxophone players. Probably still are.
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Kurt Elling is a fixture around Chicago, a scatter supreme. Have you 2 jazz afficiandos ever considered that King Pleasure's vocalized version of "Moody's Mood for Love" and any renditions by Lamberts, Hendricks and Ross are jazz versions of Rap? LOL |
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Cynique, Yeah, scat, vocalese, and rap are all related but different. But you left one out. White scat singing, a little known form of white indigenous music that worked its way out of the parlors and church basements of southern Iowa, up the Mississipi to Evanston, Lake Forest, and other respectable communities.
Heee That's from an old SCTV parody of a Kaytel ad with Ink a dink a doo, and Tur a lur a lura playing while they roll the song titles.
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True. And in my opinion, white Mel Torme was the best male jazz scat singer I ever heard. |
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Steve, do you play drums? |
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It was a dark Khan's Tormé night when the Velvet Fog rolled out for the last time and we knew that there would be no more Mountain Greenery. I used to like his song "New York on Sunday."
I don't play drums. What do you like to be called on this board, Nfts?
There's a long history in African American music of instrumentalists imitating the human voice -- for instance, the plunger muted trumpet of Bubber Miley on Duke Ellington's "East St. Louis Toodle Oo," trombonist Quentin "Butter" Jackson with the Thad Jones-Mel Lewis band, T-Bone Walker's talkin' guitar, etc. -- which some say has an African connection, but scat was just the opposite -- using the voice to imitate an instrument. So I think the Jason Moran tune Ringing My Phone belongs in the former category, but because it's so odd you don't immediately connect it to that tradition. See, I know all that stuff.
I really haven't heard enough Kurt Elling to know if he scats, I've mostly heard his vocalese, but I like his music. Some people don't get it.
When Yolande Bavan replaced Annie Ross in Lambert Hendricks and Ross they made a live album from Basin Street East that I used to know by heart.
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Yes music is such a rich source of creative expression. I even remember somebody named Alvino Rey whose guitar could talk(?)
Many, many years ago back in my salad days whenever the U of I crowd was home for the holidays or on a semester break a lot of us would congregate at some the intimate little clubs that held forth on corners of Chicago's south side and one night, when I was in the thrall of a really good buzz, encouraged by my companions, I jumped up on the stage and proceeded to give my rendition of Annie Ross' "Twisted".
My analysist told me, that
I was right outta my head,
the way he described it,
he said I'd be better dead
than live! I didn't listen to
his jive cuz I knew all along
that he was all wrong and
instead of 2 heads I had one.
Oh, no!
Or something like that. Ahh memories, or lack of. |
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Yay! The jazz thread is still alive!
BTW, what was everybody's opinion about Queen Latifah's jazz album from a few years back? I hear she has a new release in the same vein coming out soon.
I was intrigued by the move--I recall hearing her sing once on the TV show she was on (blanking on the name of it) and was blown away as I hadn;t even realized until then that she could sing. However, I was a little disappointed in the "safe" nature of that album. Her song selection was only OK, and she didn't really push her voice like she could have.
But I'll probably still buy the new one. Like I said, I appreciate the move and would like to encourage this--even through such a small action as paying $9.99 for an iTunes release! |
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Here's some info: http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2007/09/19/queen_latifah_to_release_seco nd_jazz_alb_25 |
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Any Erroll Garner fans? http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14501602
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I love Errol Garner! His "Concert by the Sea" album is just glorious. I've always been partial jazz piano and Garner along with Oscar Peterson and George Shearing and Ahmad Jamal and Billy Taylor and even Herbie Hancock are among my favorites. I also liked the Gerry Mulligan quartet featuring Chet Baker because their distinction was that they didn't have a piano in the group.
I do applaud Queen LaTifah for being retro enough at her age to venture into the genre of jazz singing. I've heard her vocalizing and she is just a little tenative and does indeed need to take risks and stretch out! |
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Cynique, here is an NPR interview w/Queen Latifah about the album. Also there are links to a few songs from the album: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14747660&ft=1&f=1042 |
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Wow! Latifah really did herself proud on this album. Her timing and phrasing are excellent. I especially liked "Travelin Light". That really took me back. That's a old Billie Holiday favorite. |
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