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Mzuri
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Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2007 - 11:36 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


More Black Women Consider 'Dating Out'
By DIONNE WALKER
Aug 5, 1:28 AM EDT

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- For years, Toinetta Jones played the dating game by her mom's strict rule. "Mom always told me, 'Don't you ever bring a white man home,'" recalled Jones, echoing an edict issued by many Southern, black mothers. But at 37, the Alexandria divorcee has shifted to dating "anyone who asks me out," regardless of race.

"I don't sit around dreaming about the perfect black man I'm going to marry," Jones said.

Black women around the country also are reconsidering deep-seated reservations toward interracial relationships, reservations rooted in America's history of slavery and segregation.

FULL STORY HERE: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/INTERRACIAL_DATING?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US



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Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 01:15 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is a "man" a "man"? IMO, a strong relationship is much more important than anyone's affinity toward a specific race, ethnicity or culture.
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oh we hear you white boy lol! only my cat is allerrgic to ____ if it not black :-)
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Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 10:32 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Why do black women hate black men that like them?
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Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 11:19 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That's all they wanted, anyway.

Now black men can get white women and black women can date white men and they all will be happy.
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Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 12:03 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Now black men can get white women and black women can date white men and they all will be happy."

Good point. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!


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i actually know that lady in the picture ...rozlyn (the one they interviewed) pretty well...i've known her for about 5 years now from another messageboard. she's an extreemely wise lady and very hard core to say the least...lol

she also has a book out.

it would be really interesting to see what her and Kola would think of eachothers views.
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everyones a against kola boof's pro-black message mostly blacks themself that want to destroy her so I see rozlyn being bigger Misty for the future
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I'm sorry for the heavy sarcasm, but I can't stand the generalizations.

According to this article, black women are all unhappy, woeful creatures, who will never be married unless they date outside of their race. (gasp) and of course all black men want white women!, so in turn we should all date white men. I mean, screw Asian/Indian/Hispanic men. Also, the pickings are so slim, I suppose the black race will be over in 20 years! Of course, there is not one black happy couple that you can find anywhere in America! Oh yeah, Black Women are also simple minded creatures!
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Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 04:56 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"According to this article, black women are all unhappy, woeful creatures, who will never be married unless they date outside of their race. (gasp)......."

Well, there are a lot of frustrated black women out there with concerns and problems that are, unfortunately, very real.

".....and of course all black men want white women!"

Naw. That's an overplayed but very popular myth that has taken on a life of it's on.

".....so in turn we should all date white men."

Only if you feel the need to do so. I talked to a female friend of mine yesterday who lives in Oakland and we discussed this very topic. Sadly, she presented a very bleak and depressing picture of the so-called desirable and eligible black male pool. She told me about the exasperation and disappointment of her black female friends with black men. It was pretty bad. What can I say? Her story -not mine..... In fact, I saw a statistic two weeks ago that said 70% of black American adult females are unmarried (probably for a specific demographic age group). Is it true? I dunno. If it is, it is the highest of any female ethnicity or race in the US. Doesn't sound good.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/07/AR2006100701070. html

http://www.blackreport.com/videos/070505seventypercent.html

"I mean, screw Asian/Indian/Hispanic men."

Ok. I don't have any problems with it. If that's what you want to do, go for it! Don't forget, in America, you are free to pick and chooses your sex partners. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

" Also, the pickings are so slim, I suppose the black race will be over in 20 years!"

Ha! Ha! Ha! That's funny. Only in your mind my dear. Black people aren't going anywhere. In 20 years, there will be more blacks than there are today just as there are more blacks today than in 1987. Don't forget, black people only make black babies, regardless of their mates. Now, you may want to politically debate this, but their off spring will be considered black (much to the angst and consternation of some individuals). Too bad if this offends you. But it is true. However, there will probably be twice as many Hispanics! You can believe that!

"Of course, there is not one black happy couple that you can find anywhere in America!"

Don't be silly my dear. There are plenty of happy black male/female relationships. You're letting your bitterness skew reality.

"Oh yeah, Black Women are also simple minded creatures!"

That's what you really think? Ok....if you say so. Your words -not mine. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!






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Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 05:47 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Read the words italized. (i.e warning.)

Nt, I was being heavily SARCASTIC! You do know what that is right? Damn, so ready to give someone a condescending lecture.


Of course I don't agree with most of the article, but I do agree black women in general should at least date someone of a factor of being a man, (like Nels said), and not color.
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Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 05:48 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


Slow your roll! (lol)
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Posted on Monday, August 06, 2007 - 07:32 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Enchanted --

"oh we hear you white boy lol! only my cat is allerrgic to ____ if it not black"

Nice try, wrong color. Anybody got a flashlight? I'm having a hard time finding Enchanted.
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"Nt, I was being heavily SARCASTIC! You do know what that is right? Damn, so ready to give someone a condescending lecture."

Oh, I know you were. So was I. Couldn't you tell? Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!` Ha!



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Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 02:32 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

it's about time. black ladies, let's enjoy ourselves and stay clear of the black man's self destruction, deep-rooted hatred for, and jealousy of us.

there are some good looking non-black men out here who actually have a sense of morality coupled with a refreshing list of goals and aspirations they are actually working toward without feeling the need to suppress our own dreams as black women.

Just don't conceive mixed children.. ADOPT black-skinned children who sorely need the benefits of a relationship based primarily on mutual respect.
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Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 04:31 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"I'm sorry for the heavy sarcasm, but I can't stand the generalizations.

According to this article, black women are all unhappy, woeful creatures, who will never be married unless they date outside of their race. (gasp) and of course all black men want white women!, so in turn we should all date white men. I mean, screw Asian/Indian/Hispanic men. Also, the pickings are so slim, I suppose the black race will be over in 20 years! Of course, there is not one black happy couple that you can find anywhere in America! Oh yeah, Black Women are also simple minded creatures!"


sabiana, i think you fully mistook the points made in the article.
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"it's about time. black ladies, let's enjoy ourselves and stay clear of the black man's self destruction, deep-rooted hatred for, and jealousy of us."

Good. I agree. Black women need to move on and stop whining, belly aching and obsessing over who black date and marry. Don't hate, just get a life and enjoy a non-black man who will appreciate and treat you like you desire. End of subject......

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Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 04:42 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"it's about time. black ladies, let's enjoy ourselves and stay clear of the black man's self destruction, deep-rooted hatred for, and jealousy of us........ .Just don't conceive mixed children.. ADOPT black-skinned children who sorely need the benefits of a relationship based primarily on mutual respect."


LOL...this has to be one of the most retarded posts made on thumperscorner besides the ones in that stupid "black women hate black men thread."
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I don't know whether to be agree at this article because I think some Racist, White man wrote it. Or to laugh at it because some bitter, angry Black woman wrote it.

I'm still trying to decide!!

Here is my 'take' on the situation. The 'playing field' is extremely unequal.

We live in a society that puts a LITERAL monetary value on White skin. White skinned ppl of any ethnicity have value. Which leaves Black women in a particular disadvantage. Black women have NO monetary value. The only time a Black woman can have a little bit of a monetary value is if she is light or White skinned. And then she only really becomes of monetary value to Black men!!

Example: Vanessa L. Williams and Vivica A. Foxx are both "Black" women. Both are approximately the same age. Both are undeniablely attractive women. But who has more monetary value? OF COURSE, Vanessa Williams. NOT because she is more attractive. But because she is pale skinned, and straight haired. Vivica Foxx as ATTRACTIVE as she is has NO monetary value.

Of course though NTFS with his "seething hatred" for Black women would make a "dumb ass" statement that anybody and everybody can be BLACK!! And that anybody can produce a "Black" baby. But then again if you think like NTFS and the millions of other Black males you have already judged Black women "OBSELETE"!!

Also, Sabiana YOU should be thanking colorstruck, White worshipping, Self loathing Black men. Seeing as how you are the product of one!!

As I said before the "playing field" is still extremely unequal. Simply because Black women don't have any STATUS!! Kola believes that it is because they can ONLY produce Black men. I disagree with that. Because Black men and Black women can both produce equally biracial children. However, I beleive that it because she is BLACK and a WOMAN therefore she has NO STATUS!!

Although, Black men NOT being STATUS SYMBOLS themselves have a little more status than Black women. Simply because they are men!! AND THATS IT!! Which increases there "dating pool". Black women's "dating pool" are SEVERELY limited because they have no status.

I personally believe BW/WM relationships will never catch up to BM/WW relationships. White Supremacist culture simply won't allow it!!

If White culture did admit Black women into their society that means that they will automatically have to admit Black children. And White culture will not allow Black ppl as a whole to enter there society.

However, White Supremacist culture will hesitantly allow unattached Black men into there society. Especially, if he eagerly denounces his Blackness, community, women and children.

But Black women NEVER!!

If you were to increase the IR dating pool for Black women you need to improve the conditions in which Black women live.

What I think personally you need to do is tell Black women that they are ON THERE OWN!! Tell them that there is no man who will protect you as a group!!! Improve your own lives and improve the lives of your children. Raise strong, proud Black men!! Its hard for a woman to do it on her own. BUT IT CAN BE DONE!!
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Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 04:55 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Also, NTFS Black women aren't obsessing over who is dating who!! They are obsessing over the end of there culture, and heritage. Like so many ppl of other races DO!!

Black women are obsessing over Black men acting like fathers for there Black children. Creating healthy environments in which there children can live. Something in which only Black men( in the present time) can do.

Black women are obsessing over Black men acting like leaders, teachers and mentors in our communities. Keeping young Black boys in line. Raising them to be MEN!!

That is what Black women are really OBSESSING over!!
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Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 05:07 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They only 'thing' that annoys me with debates like this is when Black men or Black women say their reason for choosing to dating interacially is due to the failures of the black men or black women in their race. If you want to open your options and say 'yes' to someone regardless of their ethnicity then do you, whatever - it doesn't matter to me or affect my life.

But don't be a c'unt and claim that you are being practically forced to date outside your race.
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i'll say this....i've never in my life felt forced to date outside my race because in my case when i was in college there were plenty black men to choose from because i went to a pretty integrated college (of course there were more whites and asians there but there were also alot of black men the majority of them being foreign black men though)...yes there were plenty black men there who liked the white and latina and asian girls but there were also plenty of them i saw holding hands with black women....however, my boyfriend at the time was still white....i never felt forced though


however, just because that was MY experience in college, i wont deny the validity of the article and the fact that other black women might be facing a strain. Not every college educated black woman was in my position. most colleges arent as integrated as mine was not unless you got to an all black college.

Truth be told,in most cases if an educated black woman wants an equal in a educated black man, she is up against the odds. Sure, they can be found. However, there is not enough for all of them. It's kind of similar for a black man who is making six figures....more than likely in the social circles that he runs in there will be few to no black women.

Nonetheless, the reason should be based more on attraction and openness, not availability. That said, if availability causes one to become attracted and open, then who am i to judge how they got there?



I think alot of people confuse a person simply stating the facts with bashing the opposite sex of their own race and trying to justify why they date interracial . but i knew people would do that...that's why i wish when articles like this are written that the author would tell why the stats are the way they are in order to avoid confusion and distract from the good points in the article....but then again i dont know if this way would distract just as much from the article as not telling.
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Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 05:40 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have zero pbroblem finding black men and never have and I am very dark skinned an yes attractive but I have not experiensed the man shortage thats all I get are black men an nice ones! I will agree that black women mostly do not want white men its the black men who want to date out an makes a shortage I do think thats true but I have not felt the crunch yet that Serena so hysterical about.
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I have also dated a white man in the past (well, in a complicated relationship with him right now if I am being honest), I don't know if you saw his pictures on my myspace Misty...?

Race thing wasn't a big deal to him, me or his family. My family weren't against it....just a bit like 'oh'. I didn't make a big deal out of it, he made me laugh and that got me hooked.
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"I'm not saying that white men are the answer to all our problems, " Jones said. "I'm just saying that they offer a different solution."

she did say this and i think her point was well made.


btw, i didn't know wolfgangpuck's wife was black
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I have also dated a white man in the past (well, in a complicated relationship with him right now if I am being honest), I don't know if you saw his pictures on my myspace Misty...?

Race thing wasn't a big deal to him, me or his family. My family weren't against it....just a bit like 'oh'. I didn't make a big deal out of it, he made me laugh and that got me hooked.

hi,

no i didnt see him on your page....do you still have your myspace profile up? because i looked for you on my profile.


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Yup it is still up, I don't use it very regularly at all now...more facebook to get in touch with old school pals and university friends away for the summer and stuff.

My profile is defintely still up. I think myspace has been playing tricks recently as it's format has changed (but don't hold me on that as I haven't been on the net for a while).
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Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 05:57 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

LOL...this has to be one of the most retarded posts made on thumperscorner besides the ones in that stupid "black women hate black men thread."

Psst! Hey, you forgot one...

It's kind of similar for a black man who is making six figures....more than likely in the social circles that he runs in there will be few to no black women.

Didn't you get the memo? Black women outnumber black men in all professional circles.

Surely ignorance is bliss. Must be nice :-)
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Surely ignorance is bliss. Must be nice

lol, yep...surely must be bliss because black women in NO way outnumber black men in all professional circles. Black men actually earn more money than black women on average and even IF what you said was true it still wouldnt discount what i said because there are still very few black women making six figures.....good try though.. :-)

i think you're confusing college education with the amount of money a person makes...black women are more likely to go to college and you will find more black women in a corporate setting but black men are still more likely to earn more money...you will also find that the few black men who are in a corporate setting are more likely to be at the top (CEO's) than black women.

i think that the idea that black women earn more money is a lie that's been put out in the black community to make it seem like black women have more power than we actually do and to cater to the degrading "matriarch" who is supposedly emasculating the black man stereotype and to make it seem that black women have it so much easier than black men.
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Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 10:27 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Misty you are a SMART woman.
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Per an article published in a recent USA today article:

The following are the average annual pay of Americans via race and sex who have bachelor degrees:

African American men: $45,000
African American women: $41,100
Difference: $3,900

White men: $66,000
White women: $37,800
Difference: $28,200

Hispanic men: $49,000
Hispanic women: $37,600
Difference: $10,400

Asian men: $52,000
Asian women: $43,700
Difference: $8,300


If the above is true, Black male college grads earn less than all other college-educated men. And there's considerably LESS of a difference between what Black men and women earn versus what non-Black men and women earn.


SOURCE: http://www.usatoday.com/news/bythenumbers/2005-03-28-income-education_x.htm
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Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 11:25 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Interestingly, Black women who have bachelor degrees earn MORE than do their White and Hispanic female peers.
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"Example: Vanessa L. Williams and Vivica A. Foxx are both "Black" women. Both are approximately the same age. Both are........... Vivica Foxx as ATTRACTIVE as she is has NO monetary value."

Uh huh, I see. Well, that's your opinion. It's not a documented empirical fact. Big difference.

"Of course though NTFS with his "seething hatred" for Black women........"

That comment is so stupid I'm not going to write a rebuttal to it. Moving on......

".....would make a "dumb ass" statement that anybody and everybody can be BLACK!!" And that anybody can produce a "Black" baby."

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! That's funny. Only you would make a dumb ass response like that. I never said anybody and everybody can be black. Your response (as usual) is so void of common sense and entrenched with mindless bigotry and belligerence, I'm not going to deal with it. Next......

" But then again if you think like NTFS and the millions of other Black males you have already judged Black women "OBSELETE"!!"

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! OMG! You're killin' me!! SS, I must say in all honesty, your silly posts make my day. They're hilarious!! First of all, black women will never be obsolete. Black women have problems but being obsolete is not one of them. Secondly, because of your disastrous failed relationships with black men, you can never pass up the opportunity to hysterically rail and rant against black men. No one in this forum foams at the mouth and screeches like you do about black men. WE ALL KNOW HOW YOU FEEL!

SS, I'm sincerely sorry to hear you cannot secure a meaningful happy relationship with a brother but your never ending melodramatic diatribes against black males does not help you or any other black woman. You really need to tone down the anger my friend. You'll never be able to have a serious relationship with a black man with that type of hostility and bitterness. Trust me.

"Also, Sabiana YOU should be thanking colorstruck, White worshipping, Self loathing Black men. Seeing as how you are the product of one!!"

Tsk...tsk...tsk....There ya go again. Ranting and raving. Your own crippling deep rooted insecurities and jealousies are so obvious. You can't hide it.

"As I said before the "playing field" is still extremely unequal. Simply because Black women don't have any STATUS!! Kola believes that it is because they..............However, I beleive that it because she is BLACK and a WOMAN therefore she has NO STATUS!!"

Is this a verifiable fact or an opinion? Which is it? And if is a fact, you can prove it, correct?

"I personally believe BW/WM relationships will never catch up to BM/WW relationships. White Supremacist culture simply won't allow it!!"

Wrong! It has nothing to do with your so-called White Supremacist culture. Black women will determine this. If they decide (as a group) to march in that direction (date non-black men), there is nothing anyone can do to stop them. SS, you give white people far too much credit for what they can do. Your paranoia and fear of white people has severely blinded you to reality.

"If White culture did admit Black women into their society that means that they will automatically have to admit Black children. And White culture will not allow Black ppl as a whole to enter there society."

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! They already have!! This is so funny. Do you just write shyt and think no one will realize the absurdity and silliness of what you write?? Do you actually believe we are gullible and ignorant enough to blindly accept and believe your personal tortured opinions as fact? Cheeeezzzz.........

"However, White Supremacist culture will hesitantly allow unattached Black men into there society. Especially, if he eagerly denounces his Blackness, community, women and children. But Black women NEVER!! "

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Just when ya didn't think it could get worse. Refer to my aforementioned response. It applies here also. I'm done..........


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maybe the older i get the more laid back i get, because this sort of thing is near the bottom of the laundry list when it comes to racial issues with black people as far as i'm concerned. if i had a daughter. sure i'd prefer she date a black man, but i wouldn't want her to be with a standardless black man just to be with a black man, and in the long run her choice in who she decides to be with is ultimately hers. i wouldn't be the one having to live with her choice in men. if i feel this way, then why should a stranger concern them self with someone else's relationship that they don't even know, as long as there is no abuse involved.

besides the bottom line is ... brothers got to step their game up if they don't like it, and vice versa.
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Dobes,

I tend to agree. Though I believe these BM-bashing sessions often say as much about the basher as they do those who are being bashed, I'd agree brothas need to step their game up. Because the more we do that, the less concerned we'll have to be about A LOT of the bashing.

Hell. We won't be able to pay much attention to it because we'll be too dayam busy and occupied with more important things (e.g., boning LOTS of HOT White, Asian and Hispanic chicks...HAHAHAHA!!!).
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”I tend to agree. Though I believe these BM-bashing sessions often say as much about the basher as they do those who are being bashed,…..”

Bro, you ain't said nothin’ but a word! The black male bashing and histrionics is a fashionable blood sport in this forum. But to be fair, it generally comes from an toxic embittered hater with an occasional posting banchi and a relative supporting high fiving crew. So, not everyone does it but those who do have taken it to another level. It's pathetic. And you are correct, the bashing and name calling says more about the haters than the object of their scorn and incessant ridicule.

”I'd agree brothas need to step their game up.”

Oh, no doubt! Unfortunately, much of the bashing is true. My concern is the misguided sweeping condemnations that include all black males as a group. Yes, there is a generation of knuckleheads who are reckless, irresponsible and ignorant beyond any thing we have seen to date. This is not debatable. But there are some very accomplished, responsible, civil and very positive brothers out there. Too bad they are being over looked for the sake of excoriating the Coon culture worshippers.

”Hell. We won't be able to pay much attention to it because we'll be too dayam busy and occupied with more important things (e.g., boning LOTS of HOT White, Asian and Hispanic chicks...).”

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

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Ntfs,

What never ceases to amazes me is how Black women can give birth to, feed, raise, teach, learn from, work and make babies with Black men and STILL refer to them as if they're the creatures in those Sigourney Weaver Alien movies.

I find that to be a rather startling bit of mental, psychological and emotional contortionism (I would call it “schizophrenia” but I’d probably better quit while I’m ahead).


I tell my wife, female kin/friend and any other women who’ll listen that I don’t feel in ANYWAY accountable for what some knuckledraggin’, crack-dealin’, multiple-baby-momma-making, pant-sagging-down-below-the-cracks-of-their-ashy a$$ nuggas do. And I’ll be dayam if I allow them, White foks or the Virgin Mary herself try to convince me otherwise.


I think what A LOT of brothas are going to realize and those who do succeed already realize is that although they should respect, listen to and honor women they’d be some confused, unproductive fools if they actually took heed to and acted on A LOT of sh*t that sistas be squawkin’ about.

And I say that as a man who’s a dayam good and faithful husband, father, son, nephew, kin and friend to LOTS of Black women.
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Abm,

those degreed black women who earn more than their white and latina counterparts are more likely to be working more than one job, which is WHY they earn more. i remember when that article came out about degreed black women earning more...it was being used as propaganda to dismantle affirmative action...however it was soon enough brought out that those black women who are supposedly recieving more benefits than white women are actually working more hours and more jobs.


and then you have to consider that there are still way more white, latina and asian women with degrees so again it still doesnt discount what i was saying which is everyone else is earning more than black women.


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Abm worote:
Interestingly, Black women who have bachelor degrees earn MORE than do their White and Hispanic female peers.

I've always heard/read that white women are more apt to leave the workforce to raise children, which affects their earnings. Those years away are a factor.

I clicked on the link, and the articles address the differences, and add more context:

Economists and sociologists suggest possible factors: the tendency of minority women, especially blacks, to more often hold more than one job or work more than 40 hours a week, and the tendency of black professional women who take time off to have a child to return to the work force sooner than others.

Employers in some fields may give extra financial incentives to young black women, who graduate from college at higher rates than young black men, said Roderick Harrison, a researcher at the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, a think tank that studies minority issues.

"Given the relative scarcity, if you are a woman in the sciences — if you are a black woman — you would be a rare commodity," Harrison said.

Because study in the area is limited, it is hard to pinpoint specific reasons, said Barbara Gault, research director at the Washington-based Institute for Women's Policy Research.

"It could be the fields that educated black women are choosing," she said. "It also could be related to the important role that black women play in the total family income in African-American families.

Notions that black women are struggling financially as much other groups are should not be dismissed, Gault added.

For instance, nearly 39% of families headed by a single black woman were in poverty, compared with 21% of comparable white women, according to census estimates released last year.

A white male with a college diploma earns far more than any similarly educated man or woman — in excess of $66,000 a year, according to the Census Bureau. Among men with bachelor's degrees, Asians earned more than $52,000 a year, Hispanics earned $49,000 and blacks earned more than $45,000.

Workplace discrimination and the continuing difficulties of minorities to get into higher-paying management positions could help explain the disparities among men, experts say.

Demographics may offer an explanation: There are millions more college-educated white men in better paying jobs than there are black, Hispanic or Asian men.
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Misty you are a SMART woman.

lol...i just use to sit at home and research alot of "facts" back in the day. that pretty much use to be my hobby back when i didnt get out the house much....lol
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MASTER PLAN:

How can we rid the Black Community of all the backwards, whining, hateful, sexless, bigoted, black (with a small 'b') woman and destroy the white community-- all at the same time?

By getting every last one of these self-hating rats OUT of the Black community and INTO the white community as the white boy's wife (slave wench). It will take less than one generation for these rats to turn the white community into a seething shit hole.

We must do everything we can to get rid of these ice-rats, whether it be psychological, social, or physical. The survival of the Black Community depends on it.


JOIN THE FIGHT TO DEPOPULATE THE BLACK COMMUNITY OF THE ICE-RATS WHO HAVE BEEN PASSING FOR 'BLACK' WOMEN. LOCATE THE JIVE-RAT black WOMEN IN YOUR AREA AND INTRODUCE THEM TO A WHITE BOY TODAY!!

The white boy's future wife with one of the Black Boys she has been helping to destroy
The white boy's future wife with one of the Black Boys
she has been helping to destroy.



A Master Plan well worth investing in. .
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me personally...i feel alot of the reason that you find less black men in college has more to do with social expectations of males, how black men are raised and the fact that society is doesnt know how to deal with black boys in aspects like behavior and education.

for instance alot of black boys are tracked into special ed just for acting up in school and the teachers dont really understand how to deal with them because most of the teachers are white and also most of teachers are women. so there is a cultural difference there and a gender difference.

anyway, tracking a child into special ed is the worst thing you can do to their self esteem. so alot of black males grow up with low self-eseem when it comes to their intellect.


according to the stats black kids (this of course includes black boys) goals are no lower than any other childs expectations when in elementary school and black kids spend about the same amount of time on their homework as white kids..however i think it's what society does to black boys mentyally that is the reason you see less of them in college.they give them confidence in all the wrong things (atheleticism, and their sex ability) while at the same time lowering their self-esteem in their intellect.

another thing that contributes to less black males being in college is because black men are more likely to join the army straight out of school than anyone else. men are more likely to be expected to die for their country than women


i also remember reading that black men were more liekly to start their own business right out of school. they're more likely to take the entrepenuer route than going to college.


and of course another thing contributing to this is the prison rate of black males...which has just as much to do with black mens own choices as it has to do with biased cops, laws and court systems.

another thing contributing to all of this is the way mothers raise their boys.....my experience has been that mothers show favortism towards their boys (especially black mothers) because they think black men will have it harder. they give their sons little to no chores and cater to them in a way. especially since the father isnt around....these boys often therefore have few to no responsibilities.

another thing contributing to this is black men feeling liek they have to be extra-macho to be seen and respected as a man. so they are more likely to get into confrontations because this type of behavior is seen as ulra-masculine.


anyway this is what i meant when i said i wish when articles liek that were written that they would explain why the stats are the way they are.
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Ladies,

I understand there may be some varied, complex reasons why college-educated Black women earn more than other women. But, still, more money is MORE MONEY.

And when you juxtapose such to that of Black men earning LESS than ALL other college-educated men - nearly 50% less than that of White men - and earn only slightly more than that of Black women, I think it's important that when we let fly cries of some persistent, onerous corporate or business patriarchy - which Misty appear alluded to in her commentary about Black men being paid so much more than Black women - we should be clear and fair to note that the numbers/dollars bear out that that patriarchy does NOT have a Black man's face.
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Abm....i simply got sick of it being claimed that black women have all the power in the black community (that we are matriarchs) and that we supposedly earn more when in fact it's a straight out lie.

and black men do benefit in some ways from male privilege just not as much as men of other races....and black men are often jsut as sexist in their thinking as men of all other races.... (none of this is to say that black women have it harder than black men or that black men have it harder than black women).... honestly though, men and women are treated different and our genders often affect how we are treated and raised.
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Misty,

For every male privilege you claim Black men enjoy, I could rebut such with how it's more difficult for Black men.

Look at all the statistics.

Look at the health/death (especially via violence) stats. Look the education stats. Look at the employment stats. Look at the incarceration stats.

I'd be skurder than a mofo if I had a son right about now.

But I don't really want to belabor some incessant my pain is greater than your pain spiel. That's a waste of time and tears Black men and women would do better served via relieving themselves of.

I was just trying to use some facts to add some balance and perspective to what are often some very unfairly biased and subjective declarations.
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abm,

black womens incarceration rates are actually higher than black mens. yes there are presently more black men in prison than black women but in the past ten years the incarceration rate of black women has been 7 times higher than black mens. meaning black women are going to prison at a rate 7 times faster than black men and will soon outnumber black men in prison at this rate.

and we already talked about employment stats..yes you will find more black women in a corporate setting but the employment gap between black women and black men is extreemely small and black men are still more likely to earn more (as stated above). because they go into other postions more like construction, industry type positions, etc...they may not work in a "sophisticated" corporate setting but they work with their hands and still earn more...i also remember reading that they were more likely to go into mathematics fields and are more liekly to own their own business. Not to mention in the atheletic arena, mens sports pays way more than womens sports.

the things that men are better at than women always seem to pay more.


also as far as beauty standards go...black men are seen and portrayed as more attractive than black women.



I was just trying to use some facts to add some balance and perspective to what are often some very unfairly biased and subjective declarations.


i understand this but it wasnt even my point to make it seem like black men were losers and black women had accomplished so much more but i think that's what you got out of my earlier posts. to tell the truth i dotn even think that was the point of the article either.....it was simply telling black women that they should consider other options...not nessesarily saying white men are better than black men.
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Misty,

I think you're referring to the rate of INCREASE of incarceration. Not the overall incarceration rate.

And maybe the rate of increase of incarceration for Black women is greater than that of Black men (I say 'maybe' because I don't know). But these rates are based on changes to prior figures.

So if, for example, from 1997 - 2007 the number of Black female convicts increased from 5,000 to 25,000 or 400% and the number of Black male convicts increased from 800,000 to 1,000,000 or 25% increase; obviously, the percentage of increase of female convicts is much greater than that of males.

In this example, the rate of increase of Black female convicts would be 16X's that of Black men.

But the sheer NUMBER of brothas doing time is STILL marketedly greater than that of sistas.

And it's much easier to go from locking up 5,000 to locking up 25,000 Black female convicts than it is to go from 25,000 to 100,000...and then from 100,000 to 500,000.

I just don't see the number/% of Black women doing prison ever getting anywhere close to that of Black men for several reasons:

1) Most foks, even White ones, are generally more empathetic of troubled Black women than they are troubled Black men, especially if those women have children, which MOST sistas eventually have. There will always be a SIZEABLE contingent of fairly liberal minded people who are NOT going to allow as many Black mothers do prison time as there are Black fathers.

2) Women generally do not do many of the kinds of crimes that men do and/or are less likely to be in many situations where certain crimes occur and/or less likely to be under the suspicion of being involved in certain crimes. Foks, in generally, tend to think better of what Black women are doing than they are Black men. And that is and will continue to be reflected in the extent to which you are or aren't viewed and pursued as criminals.

3) Much of the exorbinant incarceration of Black men is based on White foks FEAR of Black men. And while Whites might dislike, even perhaps detest, Black women, they don't have that immediate, seething FEAR of you that will drive them to locking you up to the degree they do Black men.


I don't know overall who earns more, Black men or Black women. So while it might be interesting to speculate on whether and why either earns more, I suspect my doing such would only result in continuing debating a point that neither of us can support.

And you say the difference between the employment rates of Black men and women is extremely small. I don't know how you define extremely small here or even what the statistic currently is.

But I do know we are the ONLY race of Americans (save, perhaps, Native Americans) where the employment rate of it's women is GREATER than that of its men. And in a patriarchial society and culture, where men are expect to be the primary if not sole breadwinner, any margin where women are more employed than men has HUGE and PROFOUND socio-economic reverberations throughout our families and communities.


Note. I've not comment about the article. Because, well, I don't think it proffers anything I've not seen over and over again.

Everyday I see Black women with non-Black men. Hell, often I see more of such couplings than I do that of Black men with non-Black women (Hell. Just yesterday while at the grocerer my wife cooed with the baby of a sista and what appeared to be some Italian or Spaniard dude). So, to me, the article is yesteryears' news.
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I don't see why people are so focused on white people. There ARE other people in the world than white people.

If you can't find a black American mate and you're still wanting your own bronze skinned baby, marry a West African, Bangladeshi, Indian, or Sri Lankan. (Bangladeshis and Sri Lankans are actually darker skinned than Black Americans, so your child will probably actually looker BLACKER than if you'd married a Black American, in some cases, but they won't be fortunate enough to have wooly hair).

If you marry an Indian, just stay away from those Gujarati muthafuckas.

If your only choice of men is white men....you need to get out of Idaho for a little while.
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Renata,

Of course, dating and marrying the men you describe might include a woman having to bears some fairly onerous, restrictive traditions, mores and living conditions that many sistas can't or won't countenance, including even the possibility to having to relocate outside of the United States.

But I'd agree many of you might benefit from opening yourselves up to such possibilities.
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renata, that's true (i actually made that point a long time ago on one of the old threads) but the problem with that is i actually think white men are more open to black women than other races of non-black men....indians seem to be way more racist than whites (and im really not up for dealing with that) and more color-struck than blacks..and as abm said, the cultures are textreemely different....

ive met some nice indian guys and ive met a few who had actually shown interest in me...and alot of them are cute in my opinion but even some of the ones who were interested in me had that shit in them because theyve been raised in that culture for so long.

ive only met a few indian men who thought the caste system was stupid and were actually truely and fully open-minded when it comes to blacks....but all of those men were from the internet lol....havent met one indian man in real life as open-minded as the ones i saw on the computer.

Latino men will fool with anything that moves (I don’t care if shes black, white, brown or green) but they have funky attitudes …especially towards black people and will always take a white persons side over a black person….a lot of them are actually worst than white people if they think they have a little power over you. Ive had plenty of them try to •••• with me on my job and in school this Hispanic lady basically TOOK my financial aid (the part that I had earned by making good grades in highschool).Not only that, they are extreemely sexist.... i use to be highly attracted to hispanic boys when i was in middleschool before i learned how hispanics really were....now i cant even get turned on by a cute latino guy anymore and its hard for me to really be attracted to one. of course there are some that are cool but i havent been meeting them lately.


as far as aborigines go...i've never met one in real life...lol but ive met some on the computer through myspace and they seem cool and ive never seen them have anythng negative to say about black people...you will find a few aborigines in black myspace groups and some of them actually see themselves as blacks.


and west african men???...i seriously dont even want to get off into that right now because i dont feel like another fight between africans and black americans on this board and then one between black men and black women. i simply dont have the energy for all that drama this morning.


but if other black women are up for dating these different groups and can adopt to how they think and that kind of lifestyle then thats fine...dont get me wrong all of these other races are options for black women, if you can find some that dont act like the ones i described above...i'm just sayin
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Misty,

EVERYBODY has their biases that can manifest as some form of racism, if not flatout hatred. And what Black women who are considering dating interracial via non-White men must be mindful of is that non-White foks generally do NOT have or feel the burden of having to reconcile and remedy their racist history and behavior, especially here in the United States, that White foks (some quite valiantly) grapple with.

So while perspecitve White male suitor of a sista be hesitant about revealing his biases and/or have actively worked on addressing them, his Hispanic, Arab or Chinese peer likely has no such reservations and considerations.

Not trying to scare a sista from dating a dude from Pakistan. But she might want to REALLY do her due diligence on determining just how culturally enlighten and evolved dude is.
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Ive known black men twho married racist Arab latino Indian white or Pakistan females good the lord the racism that comes out of those women once kids are born an black men dont say nothing they even turn on their black men one S. American IRS woman put her black husband in prison with fake tax records an it took his black sister nine years to prove he was set up an some Arabs killed a brother in Detoit so his Arab wife collected the insurance an taught his sons to call him 'n---r ben' who saw that story?
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Enchanted,

What you've posted has the makings of an interesting tale.

But I'll be dayam if I can fully follow it.
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In Detroit some Arab men made an Arab wife set up black husbnd to collect his insurance an the Arab men raises all boys so they taught the son to call there daddy 'n---r ben' (2) a woman from S. America worked for IRS had married black man who cheated so she set him up for tax fraud an it took his sister nine years to get him free it was a set up (3) black men marry racist women an usually have no problem with it
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enchanted, i'm not at all surprised by what you say...the women are just as bad as the men in their racism towards blacks....and in my experience latina women are actually WORST than their men. not saying this represents all black men in relationships with non-black women.

in my experience though black women have in the past been less willing to put up with this type of attitude from their non-black lovers(which is partly why i think there are presently so many more black men with non-black women). although i think this is changing and black women are becoming more and more willing to put up with it (i've seen it on some of the messageboards and myspace groups black women complaining about their non-black lovers or letting a semi-racist comment slip out the mouths of non-black men on the myspace groups or even trying to excuse it)....however these type in no way represent the majority of black women who are now in ir's and they seem to be few and far between as of late. maybe some of them have been putting up with the same attitude from some of their male kin, friends and black lovers for so long they just say it...racism (or prejudice) is racism rather it's coming from a white, black, red, yellow, or brown man...and then they go on to accept it (which is not the way to go and i think these women are settling).

still i personally cant stand being around that type of thing and try to avoid men with those attitudes as much as possible...the best thing to do would be to try and find a man who is as open-minded as possible and has his stuff togather no matter what race.



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And what Black women who are considering dating interracial via non-White men must be mindful of is that non-White foks generally do NOT have or feel the burden of having to reconcile and remedy their racist history and behavior, especially here in the United States, that White foks (some quite valiantly) grapple with


this is VERY true...whites have been made to feel guilty about (and come to terms with) their racism whereas everyone else has been given free-will to just act out without being scrutinized so they figure they can jsut aobut get away with anything and use their color as a crutch to say "hey i'm another person of color, i cant be racist". of course whites have in NO way completely come to terms with their raicsm but they are doing way better at it than other non-blacks (that's aside from the whtie folks who are jsut being sneaky and covering it up and even soem of them feel a sense of guilt)
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Misty,

So I think you can say the moral of the story is that, ultimately and as a whole, the only foks who will 'save' Black foks...is BLACK foks.
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It's not quite as difficult as you guys make it out to be. DATE a guy for a while, like anyone else, and you'll figure out if he is or isn't racist towards you BEFORE you marry or have kids. If he is, just move on to the next guy. If you're planning on marrying right away, or if you refuse to use condoms and get pregnant within 3 months, HELL NAW it ain't gonna be good...but that's true with any body.

BTW, the MAJORITY of women I know married to asian (and arab) dudes don't even have PASSPORTS. If a man insists that you move and you don't want to, there's a clue that something's not on the up and up. I once dated a guy who INSISTED that I get a passport. I don't go somewhere on the insistance of others because I like to be in control of where and when I go somewhere, so his insisting I visit India with him really made me defensive as hell.

There does seem to be a big difference in their attitudes depending on where they're from. For instance, Gujaratis are pissy to every damn body, even other Indians. I dated only ONE that I could stand, but he was raised in the Tamil (south Indian) community all of his life. Sri Lankans are often called "black" in that part of the world, and a good many of them really consider themselves black.

Here's something that I've personally noticed (not a rule or exception, just what I've personally noticed from those that I've PERSONALLY met): A lot of asian families have no problems with black women and welcome them into their families, but these SAME FAMILIES will cut their daughter's/sister's throat if she marries a black man. That's always been kind of strange to me.

One explanation that's been given to me TWICE: a child gets their attitude and personality from the same sex parent. Remember, these are people who will have their children working next to them in their businesses as young as 12. Black women are considered hard working and will pass that on to their daughters. Black men are considered lazy and will pass that on to their sons. They don't agree with the American concept of the woman raising ALL the children. Men raise the boys, women raise the girls.
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BUT....there are also some who are just plain racist, but they won't get close enough to black people for you to care about their feelings one way or the other.

And there are also some who LOVE black women OVER white and hispanic women and will actually SEEK THEM OUT.

The moral is, just be open to meeting people first and then figure out their attitudes toward you. It makes no sense just to say "all asians hate black people" and there may be a guy in your own neighborhood who's checking you out and is just too shy to say anything.

I didn't say much about West Africans because I really love them to death, and if there has been any dislike of Black Americans from them, I've never personally experienced it nor witnessed it. I especially love men from Ivory Coast...so damn respectful, independent, meek, tall, hardworking, and GOOD LOOKING too. If you don't like them tall and thin, you might not be crazy about them.

I like Cameroonian men, but I find them to be so damn conceited.
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I've never dated a hispanic man. They seem (the ones I've personally met) so eager and stalkerish that it just creeps me out. And they're often thugs on top of that. It's not uncommon in Atlanta to meet a hispanic man, tell him you're not interested, and he will try to follow you home, to the train station, or where ever and he won't care if you're 8 months pregnant and pulling 5 kids along with you. CREEPY.

Cool thing, though, if you go to a hispanic bar, you won't have to pay for your own drinks, food, or pool games no matter how long you hang out there, even if none of the men speak English. LOL
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ReNUTa - Aren't you supposedly married?
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LOL....just because the age of 21 is ANCIENT HISTORY to YOU doesn't mean the rest of us don't remember being younger.

LOL

I've only been married 10 years. I can remember 11, 12, 13 years ago.

Think of what you were doing 10 years ago. Then 10 years before that. Add another 10 years, and tell us what it was like when you were younger and getting free moonshine from the bootleggers on the banks of the Mississippi.

DUMBASS.

(LOL...I can't believe this).
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BTW, hispanic men will follow you even WHEN YOU TELL THEM YOU'RE MARRIED.

They scare the hell out of me.
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Whatever ReNUTa - Why am I a dumbass? Because I called you out on your stupid bullshit.

"I like Cameroonian men" is present tense. So you're talking about NOW. Not when you were 21, 10+ 10+ 10+ years ago.

How is it that you like Cameroonians when your skankass is supposedly married? That's all I'm asking.

Not that I really give a shit, again, I'm just calling your trifling tramp ass on your lies and garbage.

And BTW, swilling free moonshine from the bootleggers on the banks of the Mississippi is your forte, not mine.

Thank you.



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They don't agree with the American concept of the woman raising ALL the children. Men raise the boys, women raise the girls.

Asians got that from Africans and Arabs.

Boys in African culture (if they're not raised Islamic) love their mothers more because she's a mysterious figure who mostly nurtures them while the father takes the heat for being strict and providing lessons. Girls, meanwhile, "trained" by their mothers, are spoiled by the father and mainly follow his rules as explained to her by the mother. If the father's upset with the daughter, he has the mother to slap her out of his presence.


hispanic man. They seem (the ones I've personally met) so eager and stalkerish that it just creeps me out.

Don't come to California then. Haha!

Putting aside the gang killings and the Mexican social domination to just speak sexually:

Latino women (latinas) love black guys and oh boy, you sure pegged the men right.

It's a phenomenon here. I've heard black women say they feel like they're swatting mosquitoes the way latino men pursue young black women or very attractive ones, they're very aggressive and "interracial" is not an issue out here so no one's trying to block the latino guys from the black girls, but you can tell the black girls are a little intimidated, especially since most communities here are hispanic dominated.

Strangely the latino men don't go for the lightskinned black women as aggressively as the darker ones. I noticed that with the latina girls, too, the hispanics in general are weak for very dark athletic blacks.

Kola told me that dating a latino man is like dating a lightskinned black man. Latino men are very similar to black men, according to her, the closest you can get outside your race. She said they dance, make love and have identical social values to black men.


if you go to a hispanic bar, you won't have to pay for your own drinks, food, or pool games no matter how long you hang out there, even if none of the men speak English. LOL

Very true. Lol! :-)

How would you know all that? Are there many latinos in Atlana?








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Kola told me that dating a latino man is like dating a lightskinned black man. Latino men are very similar to black men, according to her, the closest you can get outside your race. She said they dance, make love and have identical social values to black men.

SNORT! SNICKER! HAHAHAHAHA!!!! AND L.O.F.L!!!!
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LOL....thank you, Mzuri for getting riled up like I knew you would. LOL And a woman who confesses to actually making her husband pay for kids she got knocked up with by other men CAN'T POSSIBLY be as stupid as you pretend to be. I admire other men, I don't sleep with them all. You should try it sometimes. It's not NEARLY as stressful as relying on a man's inability to count back 9 months. Yeah, you don't give a shyt. I'll remember that when you remind me again later. ROFLMAO


Nafisa, there are parts of Atlanta where none of the waitresses or waiters speak English.
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LOL. Mzuri.....sweet, virginal, angel girl. ROFLMAO.

I'm sorry. I lied. I don't admire other men at all. I can't because I'm married. I just get knocked up by them all. That's DIFFERENT, right? Please tell me it is.

Getting pregnant by another man other than my husband isn't NEARLY as scandalous as admiring men I'm not married to.

Right? I'm still a sweet, virginal girl who can call everyone else a slut...right?

ROFLMAO

LOL

LOL
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ReNUTa - Not that it's any of your business but I have had one child in my lifetime. No miscarriages and no abortions. So when did I state anything about getting pregnant by other men and having my husband pay for any "kids"? If you're going to attempt to insult me, at least stop pulling things out of your ass that you can't substantiate.

Since you're casting accusations, let me remind you that your whorish married ass had a crush on a co-worker

http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/11222/11562.html

so where the fukc do you get off accusing me of anything. You big S-L-U-T!

My husband didn't need to count back nine months since he took me to all my doctor's visits from the start and was with me during the birth of our child. You see, I was married for several years before I ever got pregnant, unlike your shotgun wedding trap-a-nigga slutty ass.

And no, you don't have the power to rile. Just sitting here laughing at your dimwitted ass like I always do. Laughing at the big old joke that you are. I.Q. of a mustard seed with a reetarded baby and you have the nerve to try to attack my intelligence. Now that's some funny shit.


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Crush...not an affair and definitely not a BABY....

Married people still admire people they're not married to...YOU KNOW THAT!! You're the POSTER CHILD for that.

Mzuri, it's obvious that you're trying to peg everyone a whore....but YOURSELF to make yourself feel better after saying your HUSBAND was stupid to take care of a kid that wasn't his.

So, people who admire other men are whores...and people who have children with other men are NOT....whatever helps you sleep at night.

It's quite...PATHETIC. OMG
ROFLMAO

It's also obvious that you have nothing to do but sit here and wait for others to show up so you can attack them. WOW!

I don't know what doctor to refer you to for this problem, but taking a walk or going to mall sometimes might help. Sometimes all it takes to get a life is just to find other people to remind you that you're a bytch.

WOW...wow.

LOL

Virginal angel
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Posted on Friday, August 10, 2007 - 10:54 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And again, LEARN TO COUNT. I was married 10 years ago. My son will soon be 3.

So that means, I was pregnant 2 months before the wedding.....

WAIT...that's MZURI MATH...my bad.

LOL
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Enchanted: In Detroit some Arab men made an Arab wife set up black husbnd to collect his insurance an the Arab men raises all boys so they taught the son to call there daddy 'n---r ben' (2) a woman from S. America worked for IRS had married black man who cheated so she set him up for tax fraud an it took his sister nine years to get him free it was a set up (3) black men marry racist women an usually have no problem with it

Schakspir: Yawn. This is an old "mail order bride" trick. White men get screwed by it more often than black men. Especially in Brazil. Untold numbers of white men have lost their lives at the hands of their so-called Brazilian "wives" who turned tail on them the moment these white men moved their income to a Brazilian bank, moved all their things to Brazil....and had the Brazilian "wife" show up with her real boyfriend or boyfriends, and take this poor white "husband" up to the mountains surrounding Rio and ice him. Of course, the same has happened to Black American men, and just possibly, almost happened to yours truly(in Romania). In Romania a black African was found dead after mistakenly believing that some Romanian skank wanted to be with him. Color wasn't the real issue(though a minor one)--they just wanted his fucking money. Also, men beware of Russian skanks, Ukranians, Thais, Nigerians, Filipinas, Colombians, and others who run this sorry-ass racket.

And BTW Arabs (esp. Moroccans and other poor ones) pull this shit all the time. Why a Saudi woman, who presumably already has some cash at her disposal, would want to pull this shit is puzzling, unless she didn't have a dime to wipe her fat ass with.
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Another solution is to find Asians, Latinos, etc., from OUTSIDE the U.S. Once they get here, they become tainted with U.S. racial propaganda(or further tainted, since some are already half-ruined by it before they get here). I wouldn't think of marrying an immigrant from this country, because most of them are just plain ignorant, stupid, sick motherfuckers.
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Kola: Latino men are very similar to black men, according to her, the closest you can get outside your race. She said they dance, make love and have identical social values to black men.

Schakspir: Familiarity breeds contempt.
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ReNUTa - Please post the link to where I said that my husband took care of my children that were not his. Because you are a fucking L-I-A-R.

And BTW, just so you know, you don't have an inkling, not a speck of a clue about how I spend my time or what I'm doing, just like you're clueless about damn near everything else - trust me.

Post your proof or STFU you birdbrained dimwit.



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LOL....if you insist.....

http://www.thumperscorner.com/cgi/discus/board-profile.cgi?action=rate&topic=230 46&page=25040&post=93147

This was my response. For some reason, the thread itself shows up as deleted.

You really should remember half of the stuff YOU say. You remember (or stalk) enough other people to keep up with them.

It's nice to see you rating ALL of my posts, too.... LOL, glad to see you paying attention.
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Thank you for reminding ME!

This shyt has me cracking up all over again!

Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 - 03:59 pm:

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LOL........I'm sucker enough to let him pay for his own kids without having to "trick" another man into wanting to stick around.

Keep that list.....check it twice. You may need to check it a few times.

Again, your DEADBEATS weren't TOO stupid to get STUCK with your ass even though they could've been MADE to take care of your kids.

And apparently, your men didn't stay stupid for long, or they'd still be there.

Hmmmm, stick Mzuri's dumb ass with a brat, get lost.....and be considered the GOOD guy. While anyone actually STICKING AROUND your ass is a DUMBASS and a trick.....

LOL.....

You can say what you want....this just made my day:

Ho with such "respect" for herself that she thinks any man willing to STAY with her and help take care of her and her children is the STUPID ONE.

I'll take your word for it.

ROFLMAO
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No ReNUTa - Post where I - MZURI - said that my husband took care of my children that were not his.

Not your own fucktarded dimwitted responses to your imaginary brain farts.

Post the proof or shut the fukc up.




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"Ntfs,

What never ceases to amazes me is how Black women can give birth to, feed, raise, teach, learn from, work and make babies with Black men and STILL refer to them as if they're the creatures in those Sigourney Weaver Alien movies.


True. And it amazes me why they choose these irresponsible knuckleheads as mates and sex partners. They talk about them like dogs yet they sleep and become deeply emotionally involved with theses fools!!! People I ridicule or have contempt for, I have nothing to do with. Why the contradiction?

"I tell my wife, female kin/friend and any other women who’ll listen that I don’t feel in ANYWAY accountable for what some knuckledraggin’, crack-dealin’, multiple-baby-momma-making, pant-sagging-down-below-the-cracks-of-their-ashy a$$ nuggas do. And I’ll be dayam if I allow them, White foks or the Virgin Mary herself try to convince me otherwise."

Good. I feel the same way. I do not condone, defend nor indulge the indefensible buffoonish behavior of these Coon culture bling worshipping thugs. Yet, I have never understood the attraction of these genetic aberrations to so many women. I don't get it! They "know" these guys are nothing but trouble, have numerous children by multiple women, ex-cons on parole, don't work, have no educational or professional aspirations or goals, hang out in the streets with their "boys" and get high, yet they still date and sleep with them!! WHY..?????????????

"I think what A LOT of brothas are going to realize and those who do succeed already realize is that although they should respect, listen to and honor women they’d be some confused, unproductive fools if they actually took heed to and acted on A LOT of sh*t that sistas be squawkin’ about."

True again. Unfortunately, many get caught up in their self serving emotional acerbic rants against all black men. They fail to realize such ongoing negative denounciations of all brothas (including those who are not thuggish lazy Negroes and wannabe pimps and playas') only serves to further alienate them (not mention drive some brothers away). Quite a bit of their anger towards some black men is justified and understandable -but there are those who cannot pass up the opportunity to take their all inclusive bitterness to another level. The result: It puts them in a "no win situation". Real sad......



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"Kola told me that dating a latino man is like dating a lightskinned black man. Latino men are very similar to black men, according to her, the closest you can get outside your race. She said they dance, make love and have identical social values to black men."

WTF..??!! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
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That's about as stupid as saying that a Black woman is just like a Mexican, Asian or white woman. Kola is stupid.



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You know what is so funny is that NTFS didn't make NOT ONE rebuttal regarding my post. All he did was make a bunch of half-witted, lame-brain, condescending 5th grade remarks. Then his little White-worshipping buddy Doberman who has a grandmother that looks like Phillys Diller ran to his defense.

TYPICAL!!!

But again acting like a bytch for 400Ibs White dominatrix runs in Dobermans family.

And NUUON is an IDIOT!! Notice the racist remarks he a makes about Black women which sounds like plantation slave language. Then tries to "mask" his hatred for Black women in pseudo Black power like speech.

What IDIOTS like Nuuon believe is that they can have a "revolution" without Black women!! They believe that them along with there racist, condescending, 400Ibs, White wives and there confused half-breed children are going to "run it".

THATS A JOKE!!

NUUON is a piece of Black shyt stuck to a toilet in a "porto potty". Which ironically is where he found his wife "Becky". Black men like NUUON spend all there time chasing White women. Meanwhile demonizing Black women on the internet, Television, and any other Medium that will listen.

NUUON belongs to the same club as Dave Chapelle, James Earl Jones and all these other fake Black Nationalist who spend there days trying to grow dreadlocks, fumigating there houses with African style insence, reading poems about how great and powerful the Black man used to be all the while picking the corn's off of there White wives feet.

And yet still Black men like NUUON try desperately to avoid teaching there Biracial children anything dealing with Black ppl. Breeding a generation of angry, bitter, lonely Biracials like Tiger Woods.

NUUON is just angry because Black women are now getting a "leg up" and playing the same f*cked up game that these punk ass, colorstruck, White worshipping, Herpes infected Black men are playing.

But Black women are going to raise there biracial children to love, honor and respect "Blackness". Unlike Black men like you who's nose is stuck so FAR up Rosie O'Donell's asscrack that you don't even care to know what you are raising.

Maybe if NUUON, Doberman, and Schaspir/Eastwest stop "circle jerking" to pics of Fat White chicks, they might began to realize that there hatred, and jealousy of Black women is only making THEM look bad.
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"You know what is so funny is that NTFS didn't make NOT ONE rebuttal regarding my post. All he did was make a bunch of half-witted, lame-brain, condescending 5th grade remarks."

Excuse me??? Can you read? If you check my response dated Tuesday, August 07, 2007 - 11:47 pm, you will see I addressed your entire inane post. Everything I said was true. Talk about 5th grade remarks, your tired never ending hysterical caustic rants against black men (or anyone else) for a any perceived transgression or unfriendly comment about black women, is legendary in this forum. It's sad that you cannot see this SS. And to be fair, I'm sorry your negative experiences of abuse and rejection by black men has made you so bitter and hostile.

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sausageswallower i give you mad props, can't nobody touch you when it comes to making the most retarded posts, i mean you've got that dumbass title locked down tight. keep up the good work you little beotch. :-)
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True love is a beautiful thing!


























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Imtiredowaiting
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and so what if more of our black sisters are dating white men?
surely that is a sign that people are no longer allowing pride and senseless racism keep them from using the ability to love another man or woman regardless of race?
i truly believe that racism is a complete waste of time and effort because the fact is even though you have pale pinkish skin people
and dark brown skinned people
we are both equal in that we all come into this world as babies
with no possessions and we are
completely Dependant upon the love and care of our parents.
it is no different for any person regardless of their race.
we all eat and drink and then we die.
animals are the same although they function by instinct
we however have the ability to love
but sadly we often give way to hate
but that doesn't mean our ability to love is no longer there.
we just need to find someone upon which we can express and share our love with
and that is exactly what all those black women and white men are doing.
i say let them be
because they are doing what the older generations
resisted against and put every kind of barrier down to prevent it
but they failed
and they always will fail
because we all know deep down that love is best
just like we know peace is better than war.
so lets follow the example and start using our ability to love.
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I'm curious, Imtiredowaiting. What is your racial make-up and where are you from?

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