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Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 2471
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2007 - 02:33 pm: | 
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I was doing some research on the great Marian Anderson (picture enclosed) and I came across this website. It seems to be a collection of photographs of accomplished note worthy black women, most of whom I know nothing about. I thought I would post it especially for the female board members. Perhaps they may be familiar with a number of these black women.
Unfortunately, the site represents a period in black American history that is long gone. The alumni of celebrated and recognized black women now would be Lil' Kim, Delicious, Beyounce and Foxy Brown. Oh well, I guess the Coon culture reigns in 2007.......
Go to: http://negroartist.com/WOMEN%2020TH%20CENTURY/index.html
Marian Anderson, taken in Philadelphia, Penn, 1934
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Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 9463
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2007 - 02:45 pm: |
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I wouldn't put Beyonce in the coon culture. She's not a rapper or a skank. She is a glamourous entertainer. There a lot of black women in the entertainment business today who are just as impressive and accomplished as those of the past. You have to put things in perspective and not simply focus on the coon aspect of today's black entertainment industry. Everything "old" is not necessarily good, or everything "new" automatically bad. Time brings change and change reflects all aspects of a culture. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 9465
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2007 - 03:09 pm: |
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Josephine Baker was at one time a very clownish entertainer and Bessie Smith was quite common, and Moms Mabley really coonish. And surely a big Oprah fan like you is not saying that today there are no black women who deserve kudos both in and outside of the entertainment business? tsk-tsk. I'm disappointed in you, NTFS.  |
Mzuri
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 5430
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2007 - 03:29 pm: |
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Second what Cynique said.
And could you please give your threads a better subject line for indexing, archiving and future searching purposes. Someone might need that someday. Plus just as a common courtesy for the rest of us so that we know what the topic of discussion is about. Something as serious as Marian Anderson et al deserves a richer subject line than "FYI." Thanks.
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A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 1767
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2007 - 03:36 pm: |
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Wasn't Josephine Baker the "fan lady"? In other words didn't she mostly dance naked behing feathered fans? And didn't she have to move to Europe because she wasn't accepted in America? |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 9468
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2007 - 03:48 pm: |
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Before she became a "sophisticated" chanteuse, Josephine Baker was famous for wearing a G-string of dangling bananas and dancing topless, and as the end member of a chorus line, would engage in shameless mugging, crossing her eyes and sticking out her tongue in order to attract attention. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 5433
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2007 - 04:05 pm: |
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A-Womon - Josephine Baker had a really great life. She had a vaudeville act and the banana and fan dance was all the rage during those times. She assisted the French military during the war and received the highest military honors from the French. She was also involved in the civil rights movement here in the States. It would be worthwhile to check out her bio.
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Serenasailor
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Username: Serenasailor
Post Number: 1779
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2007 - 04:26 pm: |
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More noteworthy Black women are Ida B. Wells Barnett, and Mary McCleoud Bethune. |
Serenasailor
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Post Number: 1780
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2007 - 04:27 pm: |
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Also, Winnie Mandela |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 9469
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2007 - 04:29 pm: |
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Winnie Madela is not a black American woman and her reputation has become shady over the years after Nelson divorced her. |
Mzuri
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Username: Mzuri
Post Number: 5435
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2007 - 05:05 pm: |
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Winnie was doing shady things while Nelson was in prison. |
Enchanted
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Post Number: 963
Registered: 11-2005
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2007 - 06:19 pm: |
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I honesly dont know the answer tothis but I saw on 60 Minutes that Winnie Mandela is way more popular with the people of South Africans than Nelson Mandela. Why is that? An Mizurible your descripton of Josephine Baker sound an awful lot like kola boof. lol! was that on purpose? |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 4984
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 10:59 am: |
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honesly dont know the answer tothis but I saw on 60 Minutes that Winnie Mandela is way more popular with the people of South Africans than Nelson Mandela. Why is that?
(Winnie knew that the peace settlement between the black resistance and the white power structure was a farce.
White folks--and Cynique--demonized her and Nelson supposedly dropped her because she was having affairs while he was in prison--very understanding guy he was--
All I can think was they had broken Nelson in jail for him to go for that stuff
The Black people of South Africa got Mandela and the White folks kept the land, gold, money, control of the Army and police. What a trade. |
Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique
Post Number: 9472
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:25 pm: |
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Until you can make a distinction between being "shady" and being "demonic", you should stfu, chrishayden. Of course a guy who loves the smell of OJ's doo-doo would think Winnie was innocent of all of the crimes she has been arrested and jailed for, and of course, she remains popular with the African people just like Marion Berry remains popular with Washington DC blacks. And, like Nelson Mandela needs a twerp like chrishayden to second-guess him. |
Enchanted
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Post Number: 964
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 03:10 pm: |
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60 Minutes say there was a poll of activists who South African people love most an the top was Winnie then 2nd Steve Biko an Nelson Mandela was third an many SAs felt Winnie was trumped up charges the crimes were never proven an Mandela jealous of her popularity even may have a hand in trying to destroy her. MLK and Malcolm X are both more poplar than there wives so what is the problem with Nelson Cynique? Why is Winnie so much more popular withthe peopel? |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 9477
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 04:36 pm: |
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I don't know, and don't give a fyck. Why should I?? |
Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 2476
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 06:14 pm: |
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"I wouldn't put Beyonce in the coon culture. She's not a rapper or a skank. She is a glamourous entertainer."
OK. I'll buy that. She is good at what she does and I do like her somewhat.
"There a lot of black women in the entertainment business today who are just as impressive and accomplished as those of the past."
Oh, I'm sure of that -but they are not the standard!!!!!!
"You have to put things in perspective and not simply focus on the coon aspect of today's black entertainment industry."
True Ms. Cynique, but that's the problem. The most celebrated and talked about celebrity figures today tend to be card carrying members of the Coon culture. There was a time when black women in the entertainment and music business were elegant, sophisticated, talented, regal and gifted (Nancy Wilson, Sarah Vaughn, Aretha Franklin, Gladys Night, Ella Fitzgerald, Leotyne Price, Betty Carter, Phyllis Hyman, Carmen McRae, et al....). I don't see that today. That is not to say there are no black women who share the aforementioned qualities today. But the core of the today's entertainment revolves around pure Coonery. Case in point: The vulgarity, ignorance, self defecation, lewdness and undeniable lack of talent that is encouraged and marketed today, would not have been tolerated -not for one second when you were a young woman!!! Why is it tolerated and accepted today??? When did hyperbole replace real talent and class??? And why...???
" Everything "old" is not necessarily good, or everything "new" automatically bad. Time brings change and change reflects all aspects of a culture."
True, But the down side to your comment is the Coon culture we have to endure in 2007 is anything but encouraging or positive. Yes, time brings change. I have no problems with that. But when you consider how black American music has descended to it's lowest level in history, I can't see any how of that is good. Like Chaka Khan once said: "We are living in the dark ages of music!" E'nuff said......
"And surely a big Oprah fan like you.........."
Ummmmm......I'm sorry Ms. Cyinque, but you have erroneously mischaracterized me. I'm not an Oprhaette. I don't watch her show, read her recommend books or look at her magazine. Actually, I don't have much of an opinion about her other than I respect her putting her money where her mouth is and at least attempting make a change to help people. Where I disagree with this forum (and yes, I know I'm the only one that will say this) is with the pointless vicious carping and excessive criticizing of her. That is where we part. I'm not suggesting she is above scrutiny or criticism. Not at all. But the vicious hammering this woman has taken here is ridiculous. I don't agree with it. I'm not going to besmirch this black woman with the kind of petty cheap shots I've seen here. Sorry......
"......... is not saying that today there are no black women who deserve kudos both in and outside of the entertainment business?"
Ms. Cynique -I never said that! What I was lamenting about was the sad overhaul market. I never suggested there were no black women in or outside of the entertainment business that are not doing wonderful things. Shree Whitaker, Marcia Cooke, Mae C. Jemison, Donna M. Mendes, Gerala Dodd and Michelle Howard are just a few brilliant trail blazing black professional women. Again -I never said there are no black women who deserve kudos.
But when you realize the dearth of real talent that is tolerated today when compared to the high standards black American music had at one time, well......there is no argument. As I stated before, the nonsense that is pandemic today would not have been tolerated 30 or 40 years ago. Now it is mindlessly embraced. How sad. OK, I'm done.......
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Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 2477
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 06:17 pm: |
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"And could you please give your threads a better subject line for indexing, archiving and future searching purposes. Someone.......... Something as serious as Marian Anderson et al deserves a richer subject line than "FYI." Thanks."
OK...Ok......Point well taken. Marian Anderson does deserve a better thread reference. My bad......
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 9478
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 08:06 pm: |
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I hear what you are saying, NTFS. But when you talk about the cooning aspect of black entertainment, you are only focusing on one demographic; the young hip-hop crowd. There are still millions of blacks who support popular R&B and adult contemporary artists. Even BET has a progam called Midnight Love that just plays old school school music and romantic ballads, not to mention all of the "quiet fire" segments on the urban radio stations. There are a lot of Beyonce wanna-be singers out there who are not skeezers and a lot of young male crooners emulating Marvin Gaye, and a lot of alternate bands doing innovative music. The Grammys and the AMA and Soul Train music Awards recognize all genres of black music. And if you check the Billboard lists, you'll see that that Gangsta Rap album sales are not going through the roof. You have to relieve yourself of pre-conceived notions. It's the media that makes the negative aspect of black music more visible but you have to stop believing the hype. |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 1077
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 09:24 pm: |
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But when you realize the dearth of real talent that is tolerated today when compared to the high standards black American music had at one time, well......there is no argument. As I stated before, the nonsense that is pandemic today would not have been tolerated 30 or 40 years ago. Now it is mindlessly embraced. How sad. OK, I'm done.......
this is very true. |
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