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Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 08:33 am: | 
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Because black women historically had
to 'pack on weight' to keep from being
RAPED by their white masters--they often
encouraged their daughters to "eat"
and to look as unattractive as possible.
Being fat with a rag tied around their heads
made them less attractive to potential rapists,
and Science has proven that after hundreds of
years of this socialization (fat=protection),
it has become partly GENETIC.
I once read a study showing that American black women have more "cellulite" in their bodies than
than Non-black American women and more than African women, and they related the cause of
this directly to slavery days and "genetic training" via eating habits and STRESS.
I believe it.
In Africa, you're not going to find legions
of "fat" women unless they're OLD or have had children and are pass 40.
It's not normal for entire quads of black women to be obese--in fact of all the earth's women
--BLACK WOMEN have the best natural "muscle tone",the most "longevity" for shapeliness and
the most resilient epidermal skin. They also
tend to be born with the healthiest metabolisms
...and don't forget that they walk everywhere,
for thousands of years, all over Africa with
their belongings atop their heads, babies on
their backs....they TRAINED UP a well excercized
body that produces "naturally buff" men as a
result.
So in America....
This is yet another psychological abuse against
Black women that goes untreated, because we
rarely talk about the psychological damage that
slavery and rape did to black women.
We don't discuss anything about the "inner pain"
of black women---I notice that we only discuss
the rape of black women in relation to its effect on black men--not the women themselves.
Additionally, these women were separated from
their children and their children were taken
from their wombs and sold like appliances.
The rank depression that black women in America
have suffered for HUNDREDS of years--without
treatment---has had a devastating effect on their
Psyche...emotionally, physically and mentally.
REGIONAL
This is also yet another "regional" topic
as both Serena and I have pointed out that
in Southern California, you really don't
see a lot of "overweight" black women.
At least no more than you do Fat
White or Fat Mexican Women.
And that's very true.
I see more Fat Mexican women here
than anything--mobs and mobs of
them.
But as for the "obesity problem" in
black women....
I find myself having to take the word
of the rest of the country when they claim that "Black Women Are Fat"--because
I very, verrrrry rarely run across
big "fat" black women out here--even at
the Black Christian Churches letting out
on Sundays---most of the black women I see
who are fat--are old women. The girls and
women are generally THICK to shapely to
very thin.
Now, when I was on tour and we stopped in
the South--I did see a lot of fat black
women.
Also, a book club in Texas sent me some
photos of their members and I was shocked at
how fat even the little girls were. They
were very huge.
But overall...I think the continuation of
this problem is directly related to the
black community's failure to address the
"inner historical pains"--the isolation
and invisibility of black women.
If we don't first understand where these
habits come from, then we can't begin to
deal with them.
It's WRONG to put down the mothers
of our race--the backbone of our
communities
--and not attempt to save the
womb from which we all come.
You pay for that later...and
MISERY (like Karma) is a neverending
onion.
You can't expect a flower to grow
without water, and black women in general
are not celebrated, respected or protected
...yet we KNIT-PICK at every little thing
that's supposedly wrong with them.
They can do no right, because deep inside,
we blame them for burdening us with blackness
in the first place.
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Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 09:54 am: |
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Kola,
Interesting thesis. Don't have the necessary info to effectively support or rebut it.
But I will say this: I see a lot MORE fat Black women TODAY than I did +20 years ago.
So although I can see the rationale of what you assert, I ALSO think Black women are obese for some reasons that are somewhat NEWER than those directly relating to slavery. |
Kola_boof
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 09:59 am: |
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obese for some reasons that are somewhat NEWER than those directly relating to slavery.
Well, obviously, ABM...black men are deserting them.
That's #1.
They no longer have a "commong struggle" with
the person who's revolution they've invested
EVERYTHING into---so now that he's moved
on, they're left with just their status of
invisibility.
They don't have much hope or anything
to look forward to.
The society says "You're a black woman,
you're nothing, there's no place for you
anymore."
Depressed unhappy people hide behind FAT.
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Abm
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Kola,
I'd agree that the estrangement between Black men and women is causing MANY sistas to seek comfort, solice and even PLEASURE via food (though, of course, I would NOT put all the blame on the brothas).
But I ALSO think there are things going on with the foods sistas eat that are causing the trouble. There are unnatural things being done to the things that make up the traditional African American diet that were NOT being done +20 years ago that are having some very troublesome effects on the body chemistry of Black women.
So when you combined the depression-based eating with lousy food you get A LOT of fat sistas. |
Kola_boof
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While we're on it, OTHER HIDING PLACES
for black women:
The church, their religion
*Notice so many black women become
so wrapped up into their church & religion
because they have no life--they go around
saying 'God is my man' and devoting themselves
more to the "superstitions" of religious faith
than to the actually living in God's world,
DOING God's bidding (healing others).
You find these women who have bought into
this "central character" to worship and
obsess over and put their whole lives into
...and through him (with the promise that
they'll taste heaven later)...they are
able to feel loved and embrace their
invisiblity.
In the church--they're no threat to the
White Supremacist Paradise outdoors.
They're FREE in the church to let their
souls rip "high pitch", "talk in tongues",
be big and fat as their misery will fill
them. They're FREE to worship that
"central character" that the White people
gave them.
And invest ALL THEIR TIME loitering there...so that the white people can have a life
at their expense.
The truth about GOD...is that life is
meant to be LIVED, to be an adventure, to
be big as all outdoors.
That's why though I love Jesus Christ
and get much nourishment from the Bible
...I could never be a part of Christianity.
There's so much of it that is a WASTE
of actual living.
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Misty
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 10:22 am: |
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Kola i didnt read all of what you just wrote yet (i will in a few minutes) but in the first line you say black women packed on wieght to keep their masters from raping them...i dont think this is nessesarily true because youre speaking of times when men of all races thought big women were highly attractive and they encouraged women to put a little extra meat on their bones. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 10:26 am: |
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Kola,
I often wonder which is more prominent: Sista's turning away from brotha because of the church OR sista's resorting to the church because they're being rejected by brothas.
Or, perhaps, it's some 'unholy' amalgam of the 2. |
Misty
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i do beleive though that what black women were forced to eat during slavery is a result of their being overweight...nevertheless its been proven that black women who are "overweight" actually live longer than black women who are at a "normal weight"...so maybe being slightly (and i emphasize slightly )overweight is actually healthier for us than being at what is considered a "normal" weight. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 10:28 am: |
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Misty,
Or maybe the "normal" and healthy weight of many African American women is not what's "normal" and healthy for others. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 10:29 am: |
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Or maybe fatter sister live longer because, ironically, they're generally...HAPPIER. |
Misty
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LOL...right abm...i thought about all of those factors too....
but i think it has alot to do with the fact that blacks and whites store weight differently...just weight isnt enough...it mainly depends on where you're storing the wieght. if youre storing it in the internal organs that's bad.... |
Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 10:47 am: |
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MISTY...during slavery times, White Women
and the women back in Africa were not
BIG FAT MAMMIES "on average".
However historians have noted that Black
American women were "on average" HUGE, HUGE
women who encouraged their daughters--not
their sons--to eat.
Now saying men were attracted to "big women"
is like saying men like TALL WOMEN.
yeah...men like women 5'10 and 5'11...
but they don't, generally, want women who
are 6'2 and 6'4 (as I am in that range and
KNOW what I'm saying).
Men, generally want women who are shorter
than they are.
They loved MEAT on a woman--but not necessarily
300 ilb., 400 pound head-ragged women.
All of the "American" sex symobls of that
time are THICK or "FULL FIGURED"---not obese.
Black women were OBESE.
AND ABM...in all truth, I think the body
dynamics of the African continent are what
constitute what black women are "normally"
supposed to be like.
Which would mean lean, slender but VERY SHAPELY
and usually endowed in two areas--the buttocks
and the breasts (with large hips)...
...on a small frame.
That is the NORMAL shape of black women.
In West Africa, they have big butts...in East
Africa, they are tall and have long limbs.
A richly elastic Epidermal skin sets them apart
from all other women.
And of course--the crown.
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Kola_boof
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 - 10:57 am: |
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ABM, even with all of Black women's pain
and misery, I do agree that "on average"
they END UP happier in life than Black men
do.
Black women usually reach a place of Knowing
--whereas black males, even in old age, will
wonder lost in a forest, in "denial" about
much of their lives, and they do express a high
"regret" factor.
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Kola_boof
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I also think, ABM...that black MEN are
just as "unloved" as Black women are.
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Abm
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Kola,
Women usually find some since of satisfaction and accomplishment with their children, church, community, etc.
Men, however, generally end up unhappy because we generally feel we fail to achieve some great life destiny or quest BEYOND home and hearth.
It's why men are much more inclined to fight, kill and die. More likely to climb mountains, skydive, etc.
Respectfully, We men must find some greater reason to be alive than women. Yet we too seldom do so.
Even those of us you do manage to achieve a lot feel like we've failed.
And that's way, in many ways, it's a cruel thing for a BLACK man to live a long life. |
Kola_boof
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ABM, my father constantly tells me
that his "chillens 'n granchillens"
are his joy.
He does a LOT of fishing, lives
on SCI-FI Channel and has 18
grandchildren
that he dotes on.
He has custody of the children
of two of my brothers.
And he seems VERY happy.
I'm always annoyed by how
"inseparable" he and my mom are.
They eat together 3 times a day
--like clockwork, like kids meeting
in the cafeteria and don't have
much else to do with each other.
He has his fishing and she has
her women's committees.
But at breakfast, lunch and dinner
they clack their forks against
their plate, eat and in between
coughs and sips of water,
discuss..."the news".
Every now and again, she'll
say, "Guess who died?"
Or he'll say, "By the way, Miss
Lady...are you free for a week in
August? The fellas are busing
down to South Carolina to do some
fishing."
And she'll say, "Oh, no, Papa...you
go and take the boys. I promised
Miss Addie I'd...."
I ADORE my mom, but
I'm a lot closer to my dad.
A lot.
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Schakspir
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There's something faulty about Kola's theory because 1) obese slaves can't work 2) the slaves only had but so much food allotted to them 3) most of the obesity among contemporary black American women is largely recent, as I have noticed first hand....growing up in the seventies and early eighties, you didn't have half the number of super-fatties then that you have now, of any race. And of course, Kola's theory does not explain why poor white women were often even more obese than the black slaves or poor free blacks. |
Mzuri
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Nafola -
How long did slavery last. 200 years. But the entire genetic and anthropological make-up of the Black female race was changed over that short period of time.
And science has proven this.
BULL SHIT!
If that were the case then every single Black woman would be fat.
Stop pulling crap out of your ass and post your scientific facts.
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Serenasailor
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I also think, ABM...that black MEN are
just as "unloved" as Black women are.
I agree too Kola!! However, the only reason why White men began to allow Black men into there society is because many of these Black men literally "castrated" themselves to do so.
And they told the White man with "glee" that they would happily DENOUNCE there communities, women and children to be in it.
AND THE WHITE MAN SAID; O.K!!!
Also, SCHAKABYTCH!!
Your theory is OFF as well!! Obese slaves COULD work!! Because the type of work that they made them do(Picking Tobacco, Cotton etc). although strenuous didn't call for alot of exercise!! Mostly what they were doing was bending up and down all day long.
Also, slave ate what was generally left over from White ppl. Like Chitterlings, Hog Maws, Hush puppies etc. All of these foods and many more were High in Fat and Sodium.
Also, alot of these slaves ate to excess because they weren't sure when and where there next meals were coming. |
Mzuri
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WTF? Have you ever seen an OBESE person bending up and down all day you STUPID MORON? And wouldn't bending up and down all day be considered as EXERCISE? Do you even think before you post or do you just pull things out of your ass like the other dingbat drama queen on this forum?
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Serenasailor
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Not neccessarily dumf*ck!! And many of these women weren't OBESE at all!! They were thick!! THEY HAD TO BE!! A thin Black women could have easily starve to death with the tiresome, tedious work and not be fed on a regular basis!! |
Mzuri
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What Ever. You said that "Obese slaves COULD work!! Because the type of work that they made them do(Picking Tobacco, Cotton etc). although strenuous didn't call for alot of exercise!! Mostly what they were doing was bending up and down all day long."
And now it's "And many of these women weren't OBESE at all!! They were thick!!"
Which story is it, dingaling?
LOLOLOLOL!
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Latina_wi
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I think the recent spate of fat people in America is due to a very simple reason and it's due to a simple reason: junk food and it's growing popularuty.
The rise of fast food joints, the rise of the microwave, the fact that fast food is quicker and easier to make and the fact that it is often cheaper to buy.
This rise in obesity as affected a lot of Western countries, especially in the UK. Our average size as increased and the rate of heart disease et cetera is growing also.
It is not surprisingly that it is affecting all communities, not just Black. The only reason that it is so highlighted in african-american communities is because it fits into the 'fat mammy' image. |
Yorubaprincess
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Fat or thin, black women are the best looking, sexiest women on the planet. |
Renata
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Southern women are more overweight because we fry everything but the damn pan.
We fry corn, cornbread, apples, bananas, nearly all veggies, biscuits, etc. And what isn't fried is either pickled, covered in cheese or sugar, or drizzled in oil.
In a lot of MS, AL, and LA homes, there is usually a "stockpot" on the stove full of oil. When you get hungry, you just heat up the oil and deep-fry something.
Never mind all the damn SALT that's added to food and the fact that a lot of people in those states really believe there are "white" foods and "black" foods. REALLY...(crazy isn't it?)
I had to convince people in my family that broccoli, kiwi fruit, eggplant, and cauliflower were (gasp!) OK for black people to eat! LOL
And white people in those states generally wouldn't touch cornbread, collard greens, kale, or okra with a ten foot pole.
And don't even get me started on people who REFUSE to drink water, but MUST have almost a six pack of "CoCola" every day. |
Renata
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And fat white southern women look to be almost TWICE the size of fat black southern women. Just look around.
Black southern women who are overweight are typically up to 250 pounds. To see one over that weight is rare.
White southern women who are overweight are typically up to 400 pounds.
My own brother in law made a big deal out of black women's "weight problems" and ended up marrying a white woman who was 300 pounds AFTER some surgery she had that made her lose 100 pounds (according to her) and she was still too fat to get pregnant.
Those fat people that I said I can't stand to see walking into a store and getting a wheelchair and filling the basket up with chips and ho-hos....ain't black folk.
I'm not saying anything of history, just what's going on right now. |
Nels
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Kola, WTF are you talking about? |
Misty
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renata, black folks where you live dont eat kiwi and cauliflower????
i thought cauliflower was one of the staples of the black diet because my dad is always fixing it or talking about how his aunts use to fix it when he was growing up.
i guess where you live must be the true south lol because i never tasted a fried biscuit or fried apples and i just recently tasted fried cornbread for the first time (last week when my mom made some)...most of the time cornbread is baked. i have tasted fried bananas though (at this japanese restaurant)and LOVE them to death....ever since then ive been frying bananas every chance i get.
And white people in those states generally wouldn't touch cornbread, collard greens, kale, or okra with a ten foot pole.
as far as whites not eating cornbread and collard greens?...lmao they practically live at "this is it" (a famous soulfood place here in houston)...and they tear up some cornbread. plus you see cornbread at every luby's and piccadilly here. im not trying to make it a point to contradict everything you say but both of us live in the south yet i just cant identify with what youre saying here.... lol...
it is true that southerners are more likely to fry things though...from what you describe i guess atlanta is worst about it than texas. |
Misty
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Those fat people that I said I can't stand to see walking into a store and getting a wheelchair and filling the basket up with chips and ho-hos....ain't black folk.
that's true renata....its VERY rare to see a fat black person in a wheelchair but you see alot of fat white people in them.
as far as fat white women being fatter than fat black women (according to the stats) fat black women are supposedly fatter than fat white women....however what ive actually SEEN contradicts those stats... you're right fat white women usually look fatter than fat black women. maybe that has to do with weight storage differences (as i stated in other posts).
plus i think you have to consider that black women and white women can LOOK the same weight but the black women will actually weigh more. people are always very surprised when i tell them i weight 144 pounds because i look like i weigh 120. then they ask me how tall i am and when i tell them im 5'7, they still cant beleive i weigh 144. |
Renata
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Misty, I live in Georgia NOW and it's better here. HERE, black people (and white) will eat a variety of foods. I'm from MS and have lived in AL and LA and those are the three states I'm really referring to. In those areas, black people don't eat what they consider "white" foods, and vice versa....I was the family rebel when it came to things like that.
White people will eat at soul food restaurants in GA, but not very many of them. MS, LA, and AL still have that "white businesses/black businesses" thing going on. |
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