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Tonya
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Post Number: 5477
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 10:06 pm: | 
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Katrina Hit Blacks Harder Than Whites, Study Finds
By Peter Whoriskey
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 10, 2007; A02
NEW ORLEANS, May 9 -- The catastrophe of Hurricane Katrina has cost countless people here their homes, their jobs or their health. But according to a survey being released Thursday regarding daily life in the flood-ravaged city, the burden has fallen far heavier on blacks than on whites.
The proportion of black respondents who described their lives as "disrupted" more than a year after the storm (59 percent) was about double that of whites who said the same (29 percent).
The racial disparities ran across job experiences, housing and health. Researchers said the differences persist even when comparing blacks and whites who have similar incomes.
"Whites were hit hard, too, but blacks were disproportionately living in the areas that were most flooded," said Mollyann Brodie, vice president of public opinion and media research for the Kaiser Family Foundation, which conducted the survey. "And even before Katrina hit, there were gaps between blacks and whites."
The findings were part of a 100-page study that depicts the area's daily struggle to recover from the August 2005 storm.
The in-person survey of 1,504 randomly selected adults in greater New Orleans was conducted from September to November of 2006. Though more than a year had elapsed since the storm, its effects persisted on a range of measures.
More than one in five city residents described their mental health as worse than it was before Katrina, with 4 percent saying they were taking a new prescription as a result. One-quarter said they were very satisfied with their overall quality of life, while 65 percent said they felt that way before the storm. In addition, 28 percent said that their job did not pay enough to cover basic expenses or that they were unemployed.
The survey suggests that African Americans still make up the majority of the adult population in Orleans Parish -- about 53 percent. Non-Hispanic whites account for about 39 percent, according to the survey. The racial makeup of the city during the recovery became a central issue in the mayoral election, in which C. Ray Nagin, who is black and referred to New Orleans as a "chocolate city," beat Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu, who is white.
Researchers reported finding a surprising amount of optimism among city residents despite the striking gloom and practical difficulties of living here. While anecdotal reports have suggested that many residents were leaving, only 11 percent reported they were seriously considering a move.
Nearly 70 percent, moreover, reported feeling "optimistic" about the future of greater New Orleans and 63 percent said the recovery was running in the right direction.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/09/AR2007050902556. html |
Moonsigns
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 10:26 pm: |
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Yeah, no surprise at all, but I still think it's shameful that shyt like this is printed in a fashion that this information is some major revelation. It's rather insulting -- to say the least! |
Moonsigns
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 10:29 pm: |
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btw, anyone reading, check out a song by Ben Harper called Black Rain. Lyrically, it's a powerhouse! I saw him perform it live and his passion for what he is singing gives one the chills (because it's truth!). He's brilliant, aware, and sensitive -- more than I can say for most "entertainers"! |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 11:12 pm: |
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Don't get me wrong, bytch. I think this event is MORE than important enough to study all of its effects and I would never scoff at anybody's attempt to raise awareness but, no, I'm not particularly surprised at the outcome, I'm not. |
Serenasailor
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 01:08 am: |
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We don't listen to Ben Harper or anyother confused, bi-racial, half-wit like him. Its bad enough we have the Mariah Carey's, Vin Diesels, and Nicole Ritchie's must he be added to the list DAMN!! |
Moonsigns
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2007 - 10:00 pm: |
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Tonya:
"Don't get me wrong, bytch."
Moonsigns:
"bytch"?! LMFAO!!!! Anyway, I don't "scoff" at anybody's attempt to raise awareness regarding this situation either; however, this isn't "new news" - even to White America and middle class/upper class Black America. And I haven't met anyone yet that knows how to change the hearts of people who just don't care. But when you find the answer, I'm sure your smart a$$ will enlighten us all.
*wink*
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Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 14, 2007 - 03:23 am: |
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Is Ben Harper confused because he's biracial or his limited intellectual capacity?
I wonder what excuse we give to Clarence Thomas, Condeleeza Rice, and others.
Aren't there darked skinned people who prefer whites to their black brethren? |
Tonya
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Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 - 01:46 am: |
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What’s not "new news", asshole, racism? So what? Terrorism isn’t new news either but that hasn't stopped them from surveying every xanax popping cracker on the planet for terror related this and terror related that and everything terror under the sun. They report a 9/11 study every goddamn second and call it "Breaking News", as if it's "New News", but do you see me complaining? No. So I don't get it at all, toots, don't get the redneck twaddle. And, please, you're a blowjob away from being trailer-park-less; who's worried about your cruddy heart?? Bytch till your heart is content, hillbilly, it's benign.
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Renata
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Tonya, sweetie, I so hope you're not getting yourself so upset. Anyone here could tell you that because racism against blacks only really affects blacks, even people who yell how non-racist they are will yawn, chalk it up to niggers complaining again, and turn the channel. That's what's "not news". Go to a board with more white people on it than this one, and you would have a whole myriad of folks telling you they don't want to hear it, we should get over it and stop bitching (I've read this about Jim Crow, when I posted a story about Emmett Till's mother dying just a couple of short years ago, saying why are we upset over something that happened SO LONG AGO that the boy's mother JUST died). And people like me feeling just like you do.
Now tell them how the Germans fukced the Jews and watch how horrified they are. |
Renata
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And, btw, Moonsigns, I knew this was true, but until Tonya posted this here, Katrina victims weren't on my mind at all and had she not posted it I wouldn't have realized the disparity of their treatment. |
Moonsigns
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Tonya,
Whether it's racism, terrorism, classism, sexism or whatever other ism is out there, regurgitating information like a freakin' parrot - the way you do - won't change shyt. It only continues to state the obvious, and proves my point that issues like this are a matter of the heart. And whether it's ignorance or an unwillingness to accept this simple truth, on your part, it is not a reflection of who you think I am. So, like I wrote earlier, when you find a proactive solution for all these social ills, I'm sure your smart (flat) a$$ will enlighten us all.
btwyouarestillaboxofrocks.
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Moonsigns
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 05:10 pm: |
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Renata:
"And, btw, Moonsigns, I knew this was true, but until Tonya posted this here, Katrina victims weren't even on my mind at all...."
Moonsigns:
Well, who's fault is that? Since I watched that shyt on tv, and looked at various news sources for pictures of those suffering, my mind's eye hasn't forgotten any of those horrific images -- and I'm white. So, please, tell me again "how racism against blacks only really affects blacks". Thanks.
Renata:
"And, btw, Moonsigns, I knew this was true..........had she not posted it I wouldn't have realized the disparity of their treatment."
Moonsigns:
Really? I believe you.
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Renata
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 05:17 pm: |
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Not everyone watches TV or read the newspaper. I do neither. My information on Katrina is from the net, or from relatives/friends living in MS/LA, or from my little experience there (I was in MS when it hit). So, for people like us, Tonya keeping abreast of things like this is appreciated. |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 07:16 pm: |
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I'll leave the changing hearts to you cold-blooded Jesus freaks. ...I believe in evolutionary thinking. And there are enough people with open minds to make a difference, so like I said, I’ve got no use for your bitter heart.
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Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 07:55 pm: |
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...Oops, sorry Reneta, that post was for Moonsigns.
Hey, Moonie,
If you don't like what you read on this site take your behind somewhere else. Common sense should have told you by now that this might not be the place for you to love. Whatever the case, I'll be damned if I'm making an exception.
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Moonsigns
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Tonya,
Though the changing of one's heart is rooted "in spirit", it has nothing to do with organized religion. Silly. And you're right, "there are enough people with open minds to make a difference", but don't fool yourself into believing your ability to regurgitate information means you're an evolutionary thinker. And anyone reading our exchanges can comprehend I'm not the one with the bitter heart. *wink*
Regarding not liking what I read on this site (WTF?!), that is obviously another falsehood about me that you've pulled out of your (flat) a$$. There are opinions that are "discussed" that I may agree - or disagree with but they're of no signficance in my day-to-day. And I don't look at this forum as a place to "love" or "hate". I don't think that deeply about it -- or you, or anyone else that posts here; therefore, you're going out of your way even thinking I'd expect you to make an "exception" for me. You give yourself far too much credit, and you take yourself way too seriously. Now, I would think common sense should have told you that by now; however, I'm not surprised you missed that, too!
LMFAO!
boxofrocks.boxofrocks.
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Moonsigns
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 16, 2007 - 11:43 pm: |
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Renata,
Oh, so I see, you and Tonya are both getting your information about Katrina from the "net"; however, Tonya is the one who is responsible for keeping you "abreast". And Katrina victims weren't even on your (black) mind, but I can't can't get them off my (white) mind.
Uh-huh.
Very interesting.
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Renata
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 12:07 am: |
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I DON'T WATCH OR READ THE NEWS, lady. Got it? So, I have no mental pictures of dead folks lying in the streets that are being pushed onto sadists like you who tune in to it day and night.
A lot of news, I get HERE or on other DISCUSSION sites. Of course anyone watching the news would see it 24/7 and would be thinking of it.
I couldn't even go to half of the discussion sites I usually go to for a long time for all of their moaning over those VT folks. |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 01:06 am: |
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Renata,
This survey hasn't been covered all over the news yet, it was just released the other today. Moonsigns don't know what the hell she's talking about, as usual.
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Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 17, 2007 - 03:21 pm: |
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Moonsigns:
"...anyone reading our exchanges can comprehend I'm not the one with the bitter heart. *wink*"
Tonya:
No bitterness here. (Unlike you, I'm sure), I still have my looks to fall back on.
And please.
Spare me the "looks don't last forever" drama. K?
I ain't trying to last forever, Sweet thang. LOLOL |
Moonsigns
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 11:09 am: |
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Renata:
"I couldn't even go to half the discussion sites I usually go to for a long time for all of their moaning over those VT folks."
Moonsigns:
"Moaning"? Yeah, and I'm sure if it was your child who was killed you wouldn't consider the discussion "moaning".
Fake.
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Renata
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 11:13 am: |
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If it was my child, I wouldn't expect anyone else to care. I'd bury him and leave other folks alone. Now if the FATHER or the GRANDMOTHER didn't care, I'd have issues with them. If the rest of the world didn't care, I'd expect it. |
Renata
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IMO, Black people are different than white people in this regard. A black child dies, the family mourns alone. A white child dies, the family wonders why the world isn't mourning with them. |
Renata
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The hoopla over the Katrina fiasco was the treatment of the LIVING. |
Moonsigns
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Tonya:
"No bitterness here. (Unlike you, I'm sure), I still have my looks to fall back on."
Moonsigns:
Oh, yes, of course. That's it. I'm a white woman married to a black man, so I must be so unattractive. And let me guess, you're just the end-all-to-be-all -- the only beautiful woman on the planet. LMFAO!!!! It's hysterical to read your hypocrisy regarding stereotypes. But please, don't let me stop you parrot - go on, you always give me a good chuckle!
Squawk.Squawk.
LMFAO!
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Renata
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Jesus didn't even mourn with his disciples:
Matthew 8, verse 21:
And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
verse 22: But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
(I've been studying because I've got some meeting in a few weeks with some bible thumpers)
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Moonsigns
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Renata:
"If the rest of the world didn't care, I'd expect it."
Moonsigns:
Wow. That's a really low expectation, especially regarding the value of your child's life. On some level, we are all accountable, and don't believe for one minute that your type of mind-set isn't part of the problem. You're not innocent either.
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Moonsigns
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Renata,
And I guess you need to start reading the news, because not all the victims were white. And regardless, I'd imagine a mother - of all people - could at least identify with another mother who has had their child killed in such a tragic way.
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Renata
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Whatever, lady....let's see the bleeding hearts over Sudanese children who ARE dying. Black people have LEARNED that no one mourns the death of a black child but the family. You guys get 24/7 coverage on the news when your children die in tragedies, and so you EXPECT it. We get the opposite, and that's what we've learned to expect. |
Renata
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The pictures were posted on a chat site. One guy was black. That has nothing to do with who I mourn with or not. Black families don't expect the world to stop and mourn with them. We don't get that luxury. |
Moonsigns
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Renata:
"Whatever, lady.....let's see the bleeding hearts over Sudanese children who ARE dying. Black people have LEARNED that no one mourns the death of a black child but the family........."
Moonsigns:
Yeah, and you wrote that you "expect it". That's a powerfully low expectation. Where's the standard for the treatment of your children? |
Renata
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The treatment of my LIVING child is what concerns me. |
Moonsigns
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You can't answer my question can you?
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Renata
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You must live in a terribly small bubble of a world to think the world thinks like you do. Tell any asian person (from Japan to Pakistan, Tibet to Indonesia) that someone's died (heck, even someone they KNOW), and you know what the POLITE response is?
That's too bad....FOR THEM.
(No lie, try it yourself.)
No one but WHITE people expect the world to stop because their family member died. |
Renata
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Again, the treatment of my LIVING child is what concerns me. When he's dead, I can only mourn him and bury him.
I've been to children's funerals before...it's the FAMILY and no one else. Bombarding the REST OF THE WORLD with it is a WHITE thing. Let thousands of children die in POLAND and lets see if they get the same level of attention that the children in SUDAN gets. You're thinking I should expect it, because you EXPECT it for white children. It WON'T HAPPEN for black kids. |
Renata
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Here's something to compare for anyone interested.
I remember a couple of years ago all of the hoopla made over some girl from Utah or Nevada. Her last name was Smart. To anyone in Atlanta, or even who wishes to visit there, swing by the Five Points train station and count the flyers of missing black girls just from the Atlanta metro area.
This is the attention we get when we're ALIVE. We hardly expect the world to stop for us when we're dead. |
Moonsigns
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Renata,
Your point of view is interesting because on one hand, you're commenting on the negative discrepancy between how black and white death/missings person cases are handled by the media (which is rightful); but on the other hand, you're also commenting on how you don't expect people to care anyway. You're also focusing heavily on the "treatment of the LIVING" (which is also rightful), but much of how one's life is celebrated when they die is very much a reflection of their value when they were living. The two go hand in hand. Therefore, I disregard your attempt to suggest "I live in a bubble", because I don't think it's too much to expect others to show care/concern for the suffering of others. And when a woman (or women) have a low expectation for how their children's lives are valued (both living and dead), especially if they're suffering or have suffered, no one else will give a shyt.
And I absolutely disagree with you regarding how people from other countries/cultures handle the death process, whether it's tragic or natural. I have many close friends whose parents aren't American born, and their traditions of honoring/mourning the dead that practiced within the family as well as the entire "community", are extremely detailed and sacred.
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Moonsigns
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Renata:
"This is the attention we get when we're ALIVE. We hardly expect the world to stop for us when we're dead."
Moonsigns:
You did it again. So, again, I ask, where's the standard for the treatment of your children?
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Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2007 - 02:45 pm: |
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...And let me guess...
I'm a white woman married to a [niggger], so I must be so unattractive.
Right
...you're just the end-all-to-be-all -- the only beautiful woman on the planet.
You on a roll today sista!
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Moonsigns
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*chucklechuckle*
Keep going.
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Tonya
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Moonsigns: "Wow. That's a really low expectation, especially regarding the value of your child's life. On some level, we are all accountable, and don't believe for one minute that your type of mind-set isn't part of the problem. You're not innocent either.
. . . .
Yeah, and you wrote that you "expect it". That's a powerfully low expectation. Where's the standard for the treatment of your children?"
It’s NOT "low expectation"...it's called realism, son, and you're dreaming.
The world didn't give a fuk about what they saw on tv that week. America didn't even give a care. Get Real. It sold papers and it kept people tuning in.
It showered celebrities with free ‘safe’ and spurious publicity for a week, and then you never heard of it again. It was drama, babe - some call it "good tv". |
Renata
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We celebrate our own family. We hardly care about anyone else's. We KNOW no one else cares about our family. As long as WE do, it's all that matters. That has nothing to do with how people "treat" my son. No one outside of this family KNOW my son, they don't care for him, and if I were to die, he'd be put in state care and hardly looked at.
That's what HAPPENS to living black children, that's what we need to be bitching and moaning about. It hardly benefits any child for strangers to make a big to-do AFTER the death of a child....when they've IGNORED them all their life. That's why I said I'm more concerned about how people treat him NOW.
White people hate my child NOW and would disrespect him, whatever my "expectations" are, THAT'S HOW IT IS....and I'm hoping he'll get their love and attention when he's dead? What sense does that make?
So, HELL NO, I don't care if they "feel" for his loss. I would and his family and those who know him WOULD and that's all that matters. |
Renata
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Or just put it this way......
When white kids become missing and no one CARES enough to make it national news for weeks UNTIL THEY'RE FOUND, and it's NORMAL for it to be so, come back and tell me how upset you were that their funeral was ignored VERSUS the fact that they weren't even cared enough for IN LIFE to have anyone want to look for them other than their family. |
Renata
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Matthew 8, verse 21:
And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
verse 22: But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
Translation: That's too bad...for him. |
Moonsigns
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Tonya:
"It's not "low expectation"...it's called realism, son, and you're dreaming."
Moonsigns:
Racism is a reality, but so is the tragedy of a parent having low expectations for the value of their child's life. Tell me again just how much you believe in "evolutionary thinking".
LMAO!
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Moonsigns
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Username: Moonsigns
Post Number: 1942
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 20, 2007 - 11:50 pm: |
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Renata:
"Verse 22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.....Translations: That's too bad....for him."
Moonsigns:
Incorrect. When Jesus said that, he was speaking specifically to a disciple that was putting off following him in order to attend his father's funeral. The disciple could have been the first born son and wanted to claim his inheritance (land, cattle, a home). Which, at that time, was extremely common. Thus, his inheritance was of more significance than that of continuing his Discipleship with Christ. It's also possible that he didn't want to face his family's disapproval of not attending his father's funeral in order to follow a preacher. Regardless the reason, this particular disciple was compromising his committment to Christ in order to follow earthly things. It's also symbolic that this disciple was eternally alive in Christ and those that were burying his father were the "living dead" - because they weren't believers (thus, "the dead burying their dead"). This passage of scripture is very much a lesson for those that proclaim Christ as their Lord - it's very much a lesson in loyalty (for Christian believers) - not a lesson that Christ wants people to disregard the sufferings of others.
With that being said, I hope you really research the context of the scripture you're trying to "one-up" the Christians you're meeting with. Chances are, if you don't, the Holy Ghost Fiyah might hit you, and you may become a true believer.
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Renata
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Post Number: 2209
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 10:31 am: |
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ROFLMAO....LOL....
Me becoming a christian is about as likely as me becoming Chinese.
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Renata
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Username: Renata
Post Number: 2210
Registered: 08-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 21, 2007 - 10:43 am: |
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I had an odd dream two days ago that I think is leading me to my true spirituality. I had never heard the language before, so I looked up the words on the internet (three words stood out very clearly). One word could not be found, another word was found to be a West African word (the tribe/nation wasn't named), the third word was Yoruban for "God loves me" (OLUFEMI)...so maybe the entire dream was in Yoruban.
......of course I've dreamed in Arabic before as well, and that didn't make me Muslim....
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