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Serenasailor
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Post Number: 1584
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 05:43 pm: | 
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I TIVOed it. It was a segment about abused women. On the show she had a light-skinned Black woman and her Black husband who forced their own son to videotape him beating her. This man would force his children to call her a "White •••••", and he forced her to call him "Master".
The "scum" finally got arrested and is currently serving 36 years in prison. He will not be eligible for Parole until 18 more years.
However, it got me to thinking. If Oprah had known the statistic then she would see that most victims of Domestic violence are in fact White females by their White husbands/boyfriends. But instead she chose to ignore the statistic and "demonize" Black men and made them look like "beast".
The next question I wanted to ask is who really is "in charge" here? Is it Oprah or her White/Jewish producers and writers? Who themselves probably are doing the same thing to there wife/girlfriends but want to portray Black men in such a manner.
Or is this another attempt by the White media to discourage White women from sleeping with Black men. Just like the "Down-low" controversy.
What do you think? |
Edenson
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Post Number: 115
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 06:28 pm: |
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I saw the ending of her show, and I don't think she was trying to demonize black men. Let's face it, a lot of black men beat on their wives, girlfriends, kids, and other black men... as we've seen. I think everyone has someone in their family who has or is being abused... and a lot of us have an abuser in our families. Ofcourse there are going to be more white women in America being abused just because the white population out-numbers the black population. I think Oprah's show isn't for closed minded people. I think it has it's target audience... but Oprah helps those who watch and want to be helped. An abused white woman sitting at home wasn't saying... O well my husband is not black so I didn't get it as bad ae her... No, she's saying to herself, this woman was just like me, and she got out.... Maybe I can do it too. We want Oprah to help us out, but as long as she doesn't air out our dirty laundry... then we're okay. I think you're looking too deep into a topic that affects a lot of woman... not just white, and not just black....White people didn't get on Oprah when she was showing those white sex offenders, the white lady who drove over her husband, or the white man that killed his kids and himself.... I guess, had those people been black..... the african american community would have been in an uproar seeing as how we want to be portrayed in a positive light and all... if we just aired things out, and stopped trying to hide the bullshit that not just black people go through, but all races, we wouldn't be in a lot of the waist deep shit that we're in now.
I'm sorry but if you have an issue with that show, it's a shame..... I can honestly say that that show was beneficial, universal, and color-blind in all aspects... More black men need to see that episode, so we can look at ourselves... and see why we treat our women the way that we do. My mother was abused, so as a "MAN" I say •••• the guy that beat up his wife, and he deserves to be embarassed on worldwide television... Let that lady tell her story so other women won't got throught that, and can learn to want more that a slap on the face as a way of feeling wanted.....
Prince of HipHop n R&B
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Edenson
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Post Number: 116
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 06:29 pm: |
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I saw the ending of her show, and I don't think she was trying to demonize black men. Let's face it, a lot of black men beat on their wives, girlfriends, kids, and other black men... as we've seen. I think everyone has someone in their family who has or is being abused... and a lot of us have an abuser in our families. Ofcourse there are going to be more white women in America being abused just because the white population out-numbers the black population. I think Oprah's show isn't for closed minded people. I think it has it's target audience... but Oprah helps those who watch and want to be helped. An abused white woman sitting at home wasn't saying... O well my husband is not black so I didn't get it as bad ae her... No, she's saying to herself, this woman was just like me, and she got out.... Maybe I can do it too. We want Oprah to help us out, but as long as she doesn't air out our dirty laundry... then we're okay. I think you're looking too deep into a topic that affects a lot of woman... not just white, and not just black....White people didn't get on Oprah when she was showing those white sex offenders, the white lady who drove over her husband, or the white man that killed his kids and himself.... I guess, had those people been black..... the african american community would have been in an uproar seeing as how we want to be portrayed in a positive light and all... if we just aired things out, and stopped trying to hide the bullshit that not just black people go through, but all races, we wouldn't be in a lot of the waist deep shit that we're in now.
I'm sorry but if you have an issue with that show, it's a shame..... I can honestly say that that show was beneficial, universal, and color-blind in all aspects... More black men need to see that episode, so we can look at ourselves... and see why we treat our women the way that we do. My mother was abused, so as a "MAN" I say •••• the guy that beat up his wife, and he deserves to be embarassed on worldwide television... Let that lady tell her story so other women won't got throught that, and can learn to want more that a slap on the face as a way of feeling wanted.....
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Serenasailor
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Post Number: 1585
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 07:08 pm: |
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Oh shut-up dude no alot of Black men DON'T beat there women. Maybe you do but I don't and I don't know anybody else that does either. Maybe you need to start looking at statistics more and not believe a over-hyped, Negress who makes her money hugging neurotic-ass White women.
And her show was only beneficial to those bored, Mid-West, soccer moms who's highlight of there day is watching her show.
It was silly-ass, pea-brained Negroes like you who "run-around" overhyping that stupid DL Brotha Bullshyt. Not realizing that was just a "whack" media attempt to further demonize Black men.
You are also wrong in saying that Oprah's show was not for "close-minded" ppl. That is exactly who her audience was. Close-minded as housewives whos only joy is driving there kids to Baseball practice and looking down on Negroes. The same type of White bytches who sit back and laugh and say shyt like "Huh thats how they all do their women", meanwhile they are getting there skulls "bashed in" by there own husbands. And you mean to tell me that with all the White men that abuse there women the only "newsworthy" case was some Black man who beat up on his "High-Yella trophy wife".
GIMME A BREAK!! |
Edenson
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Post Number: 117
Registered: 06-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 07:54 pm: |
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Now aren't these the same statistics that a white man made. Well I wanna know how many black women they polled in my community for these stats that you're talking about. And I'm a black man too, and it's apparent that a lot of black men abuse women. A lot of us grew up around it, and if you didn't it was either because you had a good father, or he left your family, or your mother put him out before you were old enough to remember him beating her up. We as black men have anger issues that go past the hood and right into our homes. There are plenty of women who get beat up and won't speak up. That's why Oprah did her show. In the black community every fuckin thing is taboo to talk about.
SERENASAILOR you just proved my point about the black community not wanting to air out our dirty laundry. Who gives a fuK... Don't even give me that bullshit that a lot of black men dont beat their women... ive been walking down the street and seen black women get slapped around... "IN THE STREET!!!" What you just said is the same thing as me saying.... Do a lot of black men call each other nigga? No... Do a lot of black men call women bitches? No... Do a lot of black men grow up with out fathers? No... What kind of shit is that. I'm pretty sure you're a grown ass man... So where the fuKk is your brain at? You can't be that stupid. I think you might be the wife beater, that's why you thought the show was shit. A man like you would probably hate for your woman to watch a show like that, cause she might actually get up enough sense to leave your sorry ass... I mean just look at how you talk about Oprah, like she's not a black woman.... You'd probably try to whoop her ass too if you got the chance.... huh??? |
Libralind2
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Post Number: 820
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 08:33 pm: |
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As a black woman , I know for a FACT a LOT of black men abuse black women. They dont just beat women, they mentally abuse as well. If Ive talked to 300 black women in my 57 years, 250 of them have been abused and thats just me. I have personally been abused by at least 4 men, 3 I knew. On fact I was just talking to someone about the boyfriend who I dated in college who was pissed because I didnt let him in because he just dropped by without calling and I had company. A few days later he beat me up bad braking my nose, I had two black eyes and various bruises all over my body. I've had 3 girfriends killed by men who abused them first..so yes I say again I know about the abuse problem in our community. Do I think all men are abusers..nope..so dont get it twisted.
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Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 2228
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 08:49 pm: |
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"What do you think?"
I think you need to get a grip. The show was about domestic violence at it's extreme. Black, white, Latino, Asian, et al, women suffer from physical violence from their spouses. Being white, light, black or anything else is irrelevant. It was a show about a woman being beaten and degraded by her husband -race plays no part in this unfortunate universal condition that crosses every religious, racial, ethnic, and socioeconomic class and categorization. You need to look past the incongruous race conspiracy theories and focus on reality; "Women in every country, class, religion and race are subjected to emotional and physical spousal abuse!"
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Renata
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 09:56 pm: |
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I used to work at a women's shelter for abused women. Of all the women that came and went, you could count the white AND asian women on ONE HAND. The rest of them were black women, and most with children.
I'm with Edenson, I'm glad they showed this guy. I wouldn't judge all black men by him, but I'd sure as hell stay away from him. |
Libralind2
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 10:49 am: |
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Frankly SOME men who come on this board and berate women need to tak a good look at why that is necessary as that is a form of abuse
LiLi |
Latina_wi
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Post Number: 355
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 03:48 pm: |
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Edenson: In the black community every fuckin thing is taboo to talk about
This is far too often true. Let's stop looking at everything as a conspiracy theory and accuse everyone of confronting our problems as a racist. Oprah decided to take the step and humilate and out this man as the egotistical, insecure bully he is. He DESERVED it. I am not going to mollycoddle him and suggest he is the victim of the 'Jewish media', the woman is the real victim and who the focus should be on.
This man is a nasty brute and by shielding him we are absconding blame. I am glad it is the men on the board who are realising this! I don't look at this man and think he represents black men, only insecurity would make anyone feel that way.
Oprah has, many times, pointed out the faults of white men who abuse their wives many a time (the senator who hid the fact he was gay, that is a type of abuse). I looked at Oprah's website and the retelling of the story and was shocked and saddened for this woman.
Lili, I am heart sorry you had to feel the force of these men. As someone who has been slapped down several times in my life, with brute force, I am glad you over came this. Getting on with you life is the best revenge. |
Serenasailor
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Post Number: 1589
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 04:11 pm: |
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I used to work at a women's shelter for abused women. Of all the women that came and went, you could count the white AND asian women on ONE HAND. The rest of them were black women, and most with children.
I'm with Edenson, I'm glad they showed this guy. I wouldn't judge all black men by him, but I'd sure as hell stay away from him.
Interesting seeing as how you work in Atlanta a city with one of the highest Black populations in the country. |
Serenasailor
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 04:24 pm: |
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You silly Negroes come out of every corner to bash Black men for something that statistically they don't even participate in that much. I also know alot of Black men who don't abuse there women. In fact I don't know any.
I think I know what is happening. You silly "Hair-brained" Negroes think that I am somehow attacking Black women by saying that it doesn't happen. GIMME A BREAK!! I'm saying that it does happen but not anymore then anyone else's community. No one is shielding this man!!!
Oprah is just capitalizing on this "poor woman's pain" just for ratings. And in the process perpetuating a stereotype of Black men just to make her White audience comfortable. And YES there are White women who watch shows like that and think that ONLY Black men abuse there women. Meanwhile, there being raped by there uncles, brothers, fathers, and getting there skulls "bashed in" and thinking that it is "perfectly normal".
And no Edensen this is every communities "dirty laundry". But just like the silly ass Negroes we are we focus on stereotypes about ourselves that aren't even true just so we can avoid other issues. What about the 70% of Black women who are having babies and being forced to care for them on their own? Which is a form of abuse itself. What about the spread of H.I.V/A.I.D.S amongst young Black women? Which is another form of abuse. No nobody wants to address these issues so we focus on some idiot Negro who beats up on his High-Yella trophy wife. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 8575
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 05:06 pm: |
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You're the only one who is allowed to be a basher, huh, SOS? Who tries to put down people any more than you? And who operates in generalitites any more than you? All middle class people are bad. All light-skinned people are bad. Everybody who thinks exactly like you is good. You're really full of it. Phew! |
Renata
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Post Number: 2152
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 05:50 pm: |
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ss, even so, you'd think more than ten white and asian women would have shown up. I was there about 2 and a half years (maybe even close to 3). It didn't make sense that nearly all of the women coming and going were us. They didn't stay there long, either. The one's who stayed there the LONGEST were there maybe 2 months, the limit was 3 months, but most stayed there about one month. Some only stayed a few days. And in over 2 years, with women coming and going ALL THE TIME, 10 maximum of white and asian women COMBINED stayed there. That's too much of an imbalance no matter who's the majority. I would expect, in Atlanta, that there should be AT LEAST 5% Asian, and maybe 15 to 20% white.
And that's too many black women in a battered women's shelter anyways, considering "black men don't abuse their wives". I wonder why they're hanging out in battered women's shelters at all? Or did the mailman do it?
I'd hate to see the percentages in Clayton County, which has an even higher percentage of black people than Fulton county. |
Renata
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 06:00 pm: |
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But, the cool thing about this shelter is that it was started and organized by a woman who had been battered and abandoned by her own husband before and got back on her feet within FIVE YEARS and got enough support and finances to start her own shelter, her own business, married a man with his own business and a good heart and he supports her in everything she does, and she's written a book (I was the editor).
That's just proof that when you're feeling down and low and like the sun refuses to shine on you, there only one way to go: UP! |
Libralind2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2007 - 10:38 pm: |
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NO body is bashing men and stop saying it..and who ever voted for his comments is a retard
LiLi |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 01:02 am: |
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I don't know whether this Oprah airing was intended to bash Black men. But, hey. Let's not pretend like Oprah don't have her 'ishoes' with with the brothas. |
Libralind2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 09:47 am: |
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Bring the proof..dont just make a statemant that is baseless.
LiLi |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 11:20 am: |
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LiLi,
I doubt I can empirically 'prove' Oprah has problems with Black men. I can only proffer an opinion based on what I've gleaned of her over the years.
I'm comfortable with my opinion of Oprah. And I'm comfortable with others thinking and feeling differently. |
Latina_wi
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Post Number: 356
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 12:42 pm: |
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I think oprah was taking time out just to bash this man and possibly highlighting what a bully he is, and what bullies men LIKE him are.
There are many men beat woman, race doesn't come into it. Trying to home in on the race of this guy and claiming he is the victim of Oprah's 'hatred towards black men' defies the whole point of the programme.
Let's get some perspective here.
And nope, I am not a black man hater, how could I be when I have a black Dad, black brothers and nephews? I am just saying it how I see it - this man is clearly a brute and I am glad he is being exposed.
the horror this woman, and women like her, must go through terrifies me. |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 03:17 pm: |
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The next question I wanted to ask is who really is "in charge" here? Is it Oprah or her White/Jewish producers and writers? Who themselves probably are doing the same thing to there wife/girlfriends but want to portray Black men in such a manner
(I don't know the ethnic background of her handlers--or their sex--how many of them are women--but I think for the most part, though she is the most important part of Oprah Inc, she is rather like George Bush--they tell her what is good for her to do and say and she mostly does and says it. |
Serenasailor
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, May 11, 2007 - 07:43 pm: |
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And nope, I am not a black man hater, how could I be when I have a black Dad, black brothers and nephews? I am just saying it how I see it - this man is clearly a brute and I am glad he is being exposed.
Please Latina_WI don't use that tired excuse. When there are "myriads" of these "busted" ass Black men "running around" here demonizing Black women publicly and privately using that same tired ass excuse. |
Latina_wi
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Post Number: 358
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 10:30 am: |
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SS: Please Latina_WI don't use that tired excuse. When there are "myriads" of these "busted" ass Black men "running around" here demonizing Black women publicly and privately using that same tired ass excuse.
I don't judge what I say or my opinions on busted black men who hate on black women due to their own insecurities. |
Schakspir
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2007 - 11:17 pm: |
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You need to look at the bigger picture. Black people in general treat each other like shit. Black mothers verbally and physically abuse their children, as do black fathers; these children grow up to be warped, fucked-up adults(in various ways), get married to each other, and abuse each other. I'll bet at least 95% of these abusive husbands/boyfriends had mothers who abused them. And why? Because these mothers take their feelings of frustration and anger of living in this crappy society out on their children; their husbands take those same feelings out on them; and vice versa. This is one of the steep prices that we've paid for living in a white-controlled "democracy". |
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