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Latina_wi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 10:02 am: | 
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Simple really. I want to know how many of you feel about Bill Cosby's commentary on the black community and whether it was right or wrong.
I wasn't around on the board when people were, or were not, discussing it (I don't think) so I am curious as to how you all think.
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Mzuri
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Cosby speaks truth but it's kind of pathetic that those issues need to be addressed by anyone and so I don't find fault with what he's trying to do |
Cynique
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Cosby represents a point of view. He turned off a lot of folks with his "don't do as I do, do as I say do" attitude. The generation gap was also apparent in the reaction he got. Most of his critics seem to be younger than him and resentful of his patronizing, paternalistic attitude. He biggest violation was publicly saying what a lot of leaders believe was be better left unsaid because it played into the hands of white conservatives. |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 05:11 pm: |
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I hear you, Cynique. But I think there was some truth to what he said, but in the final analysis, he is "wrong."
I've always been taught its not what you say, its how you say it. And adding all of what you have listed-patronizing, paternalistic, etc...., I think he did more damage than anything else.
Part of what he said pertains to generational difference, but it is also class. As I've said before, Malcolm and Martin were critical of "detrimental behavior," but the delivery and their critique of American society was also part of the picture. This is, imo, whats wrong with the pro-Cosby people.
They act like he said something brilliant, or something that needed to be said, but Jesse Jackson and Louis Farakhan have said this too already. This leads me, therefore, to think that there is a certain kind of intra-racial class contempt, especially considering his delivery...Cosby is a very smart man, very, very smart and so I take what he does seriously because he's not a young rapper, inarticulate and politically naive.
Cosby has funded civil rights organizations, TransAfrica, various social justice campaigns, and the like, so I know there something more to it than generational differences or that he said what others thought!
I think there is a certain kind of ignorance about Cosby--his political history---and that of speak who have spoken about our conditions. This ignorance contributes to the shibboleth that Cosby 's rhetoric--content--his new or different, but it is ol hat....
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Serenasailor
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Votes: 6 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 09:57 pm: |
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•••• BILL COSBY!!! Since he is such the moral majority. Why doesn't he tell us how to drug and rape more White women???
Since he is the perfect parent. Why doesn't he tell us about the relationship between him and his own son. Incidentally, they had not spoken in years before he was murdered.
Of course Black elites like High Yella Che-Na-Na and Manzuri love him. They "cringe" everytime they see to many Black ppl in one place just like HIM!!!
Cosby ain't smart at ALL Yukio!! The man barely finished High School.
Bill Cosby is just what Black ppl wanted. Some older, paternal, father-figure that points his finger everytime his children(lower-class Blacks) do something wrong.
He is also what the White, Racist, Right-Wingers wanted to use so they could prove in fact that Blacks were all the horrible things that they have been saying we were in the media all these years. And HECK if a well-respected, semi-intelligent, Black man like Bill Cosby said it(someone who is respected by Blacks & Whites) then they can't accuse him of racism.
BOY!!! I'm sure they wanted to "CHOKE" when all the details about his "sorted" personal life "came out". I guess they can't use him to further there "CAUSE".
I guess it was "Back to the Drawing board" for them..
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Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 10:39 pm: |
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Oh shut up, Serenasailor. As usual you don't know what you're talking about. I have never claimed to be a big fan of Bill Cosby. I just happened to have agreed with a lot of what he said in his tirade. And whether he's smart or not he did graduate from Temple University. He has some advanced degrees also although its been said that he had other people writes his papers.
Yukio, the difference between Bill Cosby saying what he did and Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson saying it is that the latter are politicians viewed with a jaundiced eye by white conservatives. But Bill Cosby's criticism had a different impact because of his being America's favorite Dad due to his popular TV show and it was like if he said it, it must be true in the eyes of whites. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 11:05 pm: |
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From now on I'm going to refer to Serenasailor as SOS; same ol s h i t. He's like a broken record sending out the same ol distress signals about the same ol grievances. Never anything new. Yawnnnnnnn. |
Serenasailor
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Those were honorary degrees Dum-dum. And even his college professors said that he was not very "studious" and lacked motivation. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 11:51 pm: |
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I'm sure Cosby has plenty of honorary degrees but he also has ones that he received by enrolling in advanced degree programs. And you don't become a millionaire by being dumb. If this was true, you'd be Donald Trump instead of SOS Dump. |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 11:30 am: |
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We talked about this ad nauseum and you should search the archives.
I will make it easy for you--this time.
Bill Cosby is insane. He lost is mind when that white man shot his son--it is a good reason. Maybe even an excuse.
I might have respected his comments had he been visiting a jail, or a juvenile center, or standing on the corner with some of the blacks he is criticizing and addressing them to them.
This Negro gets up at a Brown v Board celebration, as I recall, in front of a bunch of college graduates, and starts in on this.
so I'm wondering, is this what the Negro sees when he looks at Black college graduates? At middle class accomplished blacks.
Then I find out he's got a number of rape cases out--leads me to believe he is trying, on advice of his lawyer, to appear to be one of these Conservative, responsible blacks--
Which he has never been in his life. He was as faithful to his wife as a rabbit. He had that affair with that white woman for years which culminated in the scandal of his "daughter" trying to jack him up--he is certainly a piece of work.
Plus, he had a dopehead daughter and a son shot down in the street--he had absolutely no room to talk.
Top it all off that this is an old trick used by self loathing negroes to curry favor with conservative white audiences and I am of the opinion that the crazy old f**k should be taken out and skinned alive.
This is what black people get for letting fools and clowns from show business masquerade as "Doctors"-- |
Latina_wi
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 11:36 am: |
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Chrishayden: We talked about this ad nauseum and you should search the archives.
I will make it easy for you--this time.
Latina_WI:
Wow Chris, your really self-righteous1 But thanks for asking my question anyway, it was an interesting perspective.
Moreover, the reason I posted this question so long after his comments was to get people's opinions with a little hindsight and after a bit of reflection.
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Chrishayden
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Wow Chris, your really self-righteous1
(Some people call me Black Jesus. Actually only Cynique and Mzuri. You may if you like. I am known by many names)
Moreover, the reason I posted this question so long after his comments was to get people's opinions with a little hindsight and after a bit of reflection.
(Mine have not changed. May have hardened a little on his black a$$! |
Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 12:06 pm: |
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ChrisHayden - Quit trippin. Don't nobody call your ass Black Jesus. More like numbnuts or dingbat or dingaling. Get it right!  |
Ntfs_encryption
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Votes: 5 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 01:40 pm: |
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He told the truth. He said what needed to be said. Negroes and their guilt ridden liberal “wigger” running partners were upset because white conservatives heard him. Mr. Cosby’s words reflected exactly what most people (including those who will not publicly admit it) think and say every single day. Even if he never said anything, they would still think and believe everything he discussed.
There were no secrets revealed nor third semester calculus problems solved. Unfortunately, while Negroes ranted and raved with their lips suck out in indignation, everything Cosby lamented about still continues unabated and unchanged! E’nuff said….
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Yvettep
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...to get people's opinions with a little hindsight and after a bit of reflection.
Latina_wi, good idea. When this first came out, I think I pretty strongly objected to his comments. I felt that the venue was inappropriate, I felt they wer emean-spirited and not said out of love, etc. (I'll leave it to our board historian, Mzuri, to pull up specifics )
In the interim, I did a little more research, including watching the entire videocast of the meeting he hosted in conjunction with the Washington Post series on Black men. (BTW, I also posted a link and started a thread about that.)
I still feel pretty strongly that he did not go about voicing his views in the most sensitive manner. I also have been dismayed at some of the details about his personal life that have come out over the last couple of years. But another thing I now think is that he definitely is "doing something about it" as opposed to just pointing a finger. I also got a good sense in that symposium of his frustration at all the help and money he has donated to various causes without feeling that folks have used it to its full potential.
So. I do understand his frustrations. I also have heard those same frustrations many places--including right here.
Along those lines, another interesting thing I have observed since his initial remarks is that a lot of the Black people who most loudly rebuked him were Black elites, not the Black "underclass" that appeared to be his target. What I hear when I am out and about in the hood is pretty much aligned with what he said--In fact, folks seem to be even less charitable than he was.
One more thing I got from looking further into what he said was that he intended for his main critique to be against those of us with power, education, means, etc. He repeatedly has said, "Our children are trying to tell us something and we are not listening." (Or something like that.) |
Chrishayden
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There were no secrets revealed nor third semester calculus problems solved. Unfortunately, while Negroes ranted and raved with their lips suck out in indignation, everything Cosby lamented about still continues unabated and unchanged! E’nuff said….
(When is Cosby gonna clean his own filthy a$$ up?) |
Cynique
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Thank you, Yvette, for giving some perspective to a retrospective look at the Cosby incident. What you said was very interesting in regard to who was doing the protesting and who was agreeing with what Cosby said. Too often black leaders are presumptuous when they go on the defensive and take on the role of being the spokesmen for the underclasses. |
Cynique
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Chrishayden you gotta come up with a better argument against Cosby. Yes, he is guilty of being hypocritical but so are a lot of people in public life. The fact that he is not a perfect man, does not diminish the truth to be found in what he said. |
Abm
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The problem I have had with Cosby's commentary is that it only targeted poorer, less educated, lower class Black foks when many of our problems stem from the weaknesses and failing of foks like him and those Black foks who are suppose to be amongst our the best and brightest.
About +15 years ago, the Prime Minister of Japan said that Blacks (and Hispanics, I think) were holding America back. Of course there was a tumultuous uproar about what he said (I think he eventually apologized or retracted the statement). But when Jesse Jackson Sr. was asked what he thought of what was said, he said (I'm paraphrasing) "The truth of the matter is that over a billion Black foks cannot make ONE Toyota." |
Mzuri
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, May 07, 2007 - 06:39 pm: |
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Thank you. Not only can't Blacks produce ONE Toyota, we can't produce ONE SINGLE STRAND OF FAKE KOREAN WEAVE HAIR.
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Cynique
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Yea, but can Japan create a billion dollar industry based on spittin out lewd verses to the beat of a catchy cadence? LOL And it's not like the black middleclass isn't criticized, because it is. They get dissed as much as the underclasses Cosby reprimanded. If black folks would just get rid of the "other people don't have no room to talk" mentality and concentrate on doing what would move them forward, then they wouldn't have to be stuck in the rut of the "dey do it too"excuse that enables them emulate the worst of other cultures. |
Ntfs_encryption
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”When is Cosby gonna clean his own filthy a$$ up?”
He has nothing to clean up. You didn’t know that? I’m not making a case for him being a Saint or free of personal failings in his life. No need for that. But the man has put his money where his mouth is. He has talked the talk but walked the walk. Mr. Cosby has financially supported scores of black promising young students and black educational institutions. Although this is common knowledge (except to you) , that that’s not the point.
Mr. Cosby has not laid siege and terrorizes black communities with drug and gang violence. He is not personally responsible for the legions of young black men failing in our academic intuitions nor is he directly involved in the ever increasing number of black males in and out of prisons. He has never done a drive by (a 3 year old black child was killed just last night here by two young black males, 22 and 18 years of age), high jacked a car, beat down and hospitalized another black man nor has he impregnated 4 to 5 different black women and bragged about it. He is also not the reason the projects are unsafe at night or why black women are being infected at an alarming rate with AIDS by black men. I could go on and on if you would like.
So, no, the man is not a Saint. But he is not the source nor driving force for the cancer of self perpetuating pathology that is engulfing the black underclass. And his truthful but painful commentary about the self destructive culture of the black underclass cannot be stymied nor discredited by cheap chicken shit personal attacks by excuse making pouting Negroes.
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Ntfs_encryption
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"If black folks would just get rid of the "other people don't have no room to talk" mentality and concentrate on doing what would move them forward, then they wouldn't have to be stuck in the rut of the "dey do it too"excuse that enables them emulate the worst of other cultures."
THANK YOU.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tonya
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The ONLY Blacks benefiting from Cosby's ignant rant are Black conservatives. They got more book deals, more spots on CNN. Post Cosby, Armwrong Williams ain't the only coon putting on a show. And as expected whites been benefiting all the way around, while, as stated, Blks are where they were a minute before the damn outburst. He's "doing something" alright. The problem is it ain't for us.
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Ntfs_encryption
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"Not only can't Blacks produce ONE Toyota, we can't produce ONE SINGLE STRAND OF FAKE KOREAN WEAVE HAIR."
Yep! And Negroes have absolutely have no problems buying fake hair and Toyota's. E'nuff said.....
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Cynique
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It remains to be seen whether some good will eventually come from Cosby's "wake-up call". The same with the Don Imus' incident. Sometimes change is gradual. |
Yukio
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What Yvettep writes is interesting. From what I have read, and to be honest I haven't anything in a minute, his rants were directed at poor people, as ABM stated.
If, in fact, he said "our children are trying to tell us something and we are not listening," that includes various classes not just those with power, education, and means.
Also, there is a bit of problem I have when people say "he said what people think." What does this mean?
It means that people agree with him, but it don't mean that he and his cohorts are correct in their analysis of the situation.
All of us have an opinion, but whether or not it is on point, representative of the problem is another issue. So the fact that poor people agree with him only means that there are poor people who are assiduous, which proves rhetoric is shortsighted and limited.
This hardworking poor population read speak Standard English, pay their bills on time, and have garnered a little savings . . . but they are still poor. The denizens of the community respect them because of their work ethic, but these are often the people that casual laborers borrow money from; these are the people that family members come to, because they are "stable," but still poor. They respect process, and their dignity is the result of their work ethic, and that this earns them their bread and butter, but they are still poor. And more than likely, their children will have similar values, and will do a little better.
What am I saying here? That poverty is generational, that poverty has to do with the labor market, work ethic, as well as racism, which I have purposely not discussed.
Finally, I not familiar with all of Cosby's philanthropic endeavors, but if he is giving out scholarship money, then that aint helpful... to the masses; if he's givin money to erect buildings that brandish his name, that too aint gonna help out the masses.
In other words, we know that the educated and powerful like to give and give and give. . . but only to people already on their way. This means that the masses do not know those secrets of success or they attend under-resourced schools with teachers who look at them as delinquents...all of them not just the true delinquents...LOL! |
Tonya
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Some of Cosby's claims aren’t even bootleg science, half his shit is garbage. In the days where they won’t even contemplate contemplating whether it's right or wrong to chastise a DOG before checking the science, the attention being paid to Cosby's rant is downright insulting.
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Renata
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"Yea, but can Japan create a billion dollar industry based on spittin out lewd verses to the beat of a catchy cadence?"
ROFLMAO...that is SO FUNNY. LOL |
Renata
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Yukio got a clue, at least.
Cosby gives a lot of money to Spelman....so much that the dorm is named for his wife. These aren't really your "needy" black people. Spelman chicks are the "parents paid for all of the classes and the Mercedes you're driving to class and vacations in Miami" types of girls. I once met a girl who worked in West End who had to hide her part-time employment from her parents because they didn't send her to Atlanta to work but because her boyfriend was attending Morehouse. So, basically, Cosby is "helping" rich folks.
If he REALLY wants to help black people, he should consider giving money to those medical assistant programs and other such programs that are attended by black women who are trying so hard to get off welfare by attending schools that are more affordable and that still allow them time to work full-time and take care of their children. Aren't these the folks who he's criticizing so much? Why don't these schools see any of that "cosby philanthropy"? Or is he afraid they'll use the money for marijuana and malt liquor?
What I really hate about this is that he's railing against low-income people, yet you wouldn't see him within 10 nautical miles of such people. He doesn't mind giving money to people who don't really need it...who can name buildings for him...who will have the media there...who his daughters are probably vacationing with...who are probably his friends anyways.
Don't be fooled, folks. This is less philanthropy, and more just the cost of his own self-promotion.
Show me the school he gave to where the attendants really were from low-income families who couldn't afford to send them...who have to ride the bus to school...who had to skip a couple of semesters to get their bills paid up...and I might change my mind. |
Tonya
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Reneta, really, most of us were like philanthropy my ass. LOL!! I doubt that anybody was ever clueless. It's just that nobody was ever as candid about it as you and Yukio just were - bravo!
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Yvettep
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And you are basing the assertion that he only gives money to the rich on what? Do you know how many students at the Black colleges (not just Spellman) he and his wife have donated to are "legacies" versus first generation college students? Is the foundation that they started in honor of their son only for the rich with learning disabilities? Are his efforts and $$ for the US National Slavery Museum/memorial only for the rich?
A little research will reveal facts that may not jibe with gut reactions and perceptions. That is what happened with me and my opinions about his comments.
However, I also agree with Tonya that many of the ills he talked about and has talked about also do not jibe with facts and statistics with regard to how bad things are. There is also a huge misperception in this country about how Black folks are doing, or how we are doing compared to Whites. I do not feel he was in any way speaking from a research base (regretable, considering his focus on education and scholarship); I think he was honestly frustrated, tired, and grieving. Also, he is out of touch somewhat both by virtue of how long it has been since he was "regular folks" and his age.
Another observation I have had since the initial comments was that they were yet another illustration for the majority culture that we Black people are not monolithic in our opinions and thoughts. I always think that is more of a good thing than not. Maybe it is a good reminder for us as well.
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Jmho
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Cynique wrote:
If black folks would just get rid of the "other people don't have no room to talk" mentality and concentrate on doing what would move them forward, then they wouldn't have to be stuck in the rut of the "dey do it too"excuse that enables them emulate the worst of other cultures.
AMEN. Half of the folks who disliked what or how Cosby said what he said, think he ain't all that smart and not qualified, (but they think are!) and the other half think, those he was talking about are helpless and blameless victims of "life", and they have no control of their lives and it's everybody else's fault for how they behave and/or how they live. Ironically, there are some other folk who are living, in the same environment, but they are making or made different choices. Go figure. |
Jmho
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Renata wrote:
Cosby gives a lot of money to Spelman....so much that the dorm is named for his wife. These aren't really your "needy" black people.
From my understanding, there is not only a dorm and academic building but there's also arts building, however, if you believe that there aren't any needy black females at this school, I got some prime water front real estate in Fla, just for you.
From their website: http://www.spelman.edu/about_us/glance/
Financial Aid: Financial aid is available from a variety of sources and is awarded in the form of grant, loan and/or work-study assistance. Approximately 87 percent of students receive financial aid. Scholarships are available from a variety of sources and are merit and/or need-based.
I'm sure this isn't say that there aren't any students whose parents can afford to pay their child's full tuition, room and board, but obviously, there are way more who need help finanically to attend the college than not.
But, then again, maybe being "needy" is subjective. |
Renata
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Spelman is a lot more expensive than many other universities in Atlanta. Some who have started at Spelman (and Morehouse) end up transferring schools and say it's only because they didn't realize how much MORE expensive those schools are than other schools.
And the REALLY needy women who need to work and make money NOW and have children definitely aren't going to Spelman. You also get a different perspective of the place when you walk around the campus and compare the people and the atmosphere just to West End, which is maybe a 3 to 5 minute walk away (and that's if you take your time). |
Tonya
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I know it's getting harder to make a case for this clown but c'mon, don’t front, y'all know what Reneta meant. Cosby HASN'T provided financial support to the folks he criticizes routinely. Those he scorn, so callously, unremitting, and relentlessly (ugh), are mostly the type you won't see on college campuses, not with or without monetary support. And so I agree with Reneta 100% that trade schools or some sort of medical assistant program would be the sensible way to reach out to these folks, if he really cares so much.
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Yukio
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Yvettep: I'm not sure if you're responding to me or Renata. But, my point is broader than giving money to Spelman. In my opinion, once you step foot in college, you are on better footing than the majority...Even though a college degree aint what it used to be, it still puts you in touch with broader and greater opportunities.
My point, similar but different than Renata, is that money, resources, mentoring, etc...needs to be directed at the working classes. The studies say that you got to get to them before high school ....
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Ntfs_encryption
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Half of the folks who disliked what or how Cosby said what he said, think he ain't all that smart and not qualified, (but they think are!) and the other half think, those he was talking about are helpless and blameless victims of "life", and they have no control of their lives and it's everybody else's fault for how they behave and/or how they live. Ironically, there are some other folk who are living, in the same environment, but they are making or made different choices. Go figure.”
Your point is well made. Thank you. But it never ceases to amaze me how the Chicken Little Negro naysayers seem to never tire of their squalid excuse making and overwrought pitiful personal attacks of this man. The man told the truth but embittered Negroes in denial, prefer attacking him rather than having a painful but honest discussion about the irrefutable conditions and behavior he cited. But this is to be expected. Since they have nothing of factual or honest substance to defend or argue, they do what they do best; make excuses, defend the indefensible and stand as the rabid attack dogs for anyone who dares to question or criticize the putrid self destructive asceticism of coons gone wild.
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Latina_wi
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Mzuri:Thank you. Not only can't Blacks produce ONE Toyota, we can't produce ONE SINGLE STRAND OF FAKE KOREAN WEAVE HAIR.
Your hilarious Mzuri!
And thanks for so many great replies, giving such great perspectives. |
Cynique
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Cosby is not obligated to underwrite poverty and ignorance. He spoke out and cited some reasons for it and in doing so created a furor for the liberal intellectuals to bleat about, even as his words earned the nods of the silent majority made up of people from all walks of life. When it comes to the plight of the underclasses, we are inundated with the causes of it and anyone who speaks about the effects of it is stifled. There are many causes and many effects, so who is to say who can say what? What is the cause of an indigent black girl not earning a free scholarship to Spellman? Since there are indigent black girls who attend this school on scholarships, what is the cause for this? Maybe it has something to do with ambition and motivation, just one of the many causes that produce a positive effect, even among the underclasses. So in addition to all of the sociological, psychological, economical, bureacratic, racist reasons that cause deprivation, they are also causes for an individual rising above the masses and surmounting obstacles. The effect? Survival of the fittest??? |
Tonya
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Man please. What credible facts have you and your rank ass attitude brought to this thread??? The only thing you've proven is that men like you and Cosby end up the same - grumpy confrontational and insane.
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Chrishayden
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Cosby is a rapist, a punk, an adulterer and soon to be a corpse.
I will piss on his stinking grave.
I wish I could rip his belly open,watch his guts spill out and shout, "Hey! Hey! Hey!" and put it up on Youtube.
That would make me happy for a while (see happy thread above) |
Jmho
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Renata wrote:
Spelman is a lot more expensive than many other universities in Atlanta.
Yes, many private schools are expensive. Some are very expensive.
Renata wrote:
Some who have started at Spelman (and Morehouse) end up transferring schools and say it's only because they didn't realize how much MORE expensive those schools are than other schools.
They obviously didn't do their homework before applying, being accepted and attending the school to not realize how expensive it is. By, the same token, there are students at all colleges and universities, who drop out or transfer due to lack of funds, grades, etc.
Renata wrote:
And the REALLY needy women who need to work and make money NOW and have children definitely aren't going to Spelman.
There is always going to be those who are less fortunate than others, but does that mean you're any less needy, as well? College students have to have a roof over their head, food for their stomach, clothes on their back, etc., just as other folks.
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You also get a different perspective of the place when you walk around the campus and compare the people and the atmosphere just to West End, which is maybe a 3 to 5 minute walk away (and that's if you take your time).
I've been in the area, and I agree, but then for any school, in a metropolitan area, the same can be said. Been to Howard in DC? The surrounding area is starkly different from the campus. But, then again, none of this refutes that there are students, who attend, are also "needy." |
Cynique
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You are the best reason in the world to side with Cosby, Chrishayden. Next to you, ol Bill looks like a perfectly normal person. You come across like a vindictive fanatic from the ranks of the religious right. |
Chrishayden
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Why thank you, Cynique! |
Cynique
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Thank you for making it so easy to expose your irrationality, chrishayden. |
Toubobie
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"Cosby is a rapist, a punk, an adulterer and soon to be a corpse.
I will piss on his stinking grave.
I wish I could rip his belly open,watch his guts spill out and shout, "Hey! Hey! Hey!" and put it up on Youtube. "
WHEW! Chris, I needed that. LMAO! *hi-five* brotha! I'll be squatting next to you on the grave bit. |
Cynique
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Yet another example of Cosby being empowered by the hate of others. Wishing him dead reduces his detractors to malicious wimps. |
Ntfs_encryption
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"Yet another example of Cosby being empowered by the hate of others. Wishing him dead reduces his detractors to malicious wimps."
Yep! This is true. The Negro haters remind me of flies and maggots on a road kill. It's their job......
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Yukio
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Half of the folks who disliked what or how Cosby said what he said, think he ain't all that smart and not qualified, (but they think are!) and the other half think, those he was talking about are helpless and blameless victims of "life", and they have no control of their lives and it's everybody else's fault for how they behave and/or how they live. Ironically, there are some other folk who are living, in the same environment, but they are making or made different choices. Go figure.
And so according to this generalization, my position and points don't exist. LOL! |
Serenasailor
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Here is the problem NTFS Bill Cosby is a HYPOCRITE!! If he was critisizing Black ppl on not giving enough to the community then he would have a "point". If he was critisizing Black ppl on not sticking together then he would have another "point". However, Bill Cosby critisized Black ppl on their "amoral" behavior. Something he has no right to critisized anyone on.
If anything he should be the first to "lead by example". After all he does have the money and power to do so.
Also, if he was at a jail(like activist Jim Brown often does), a Welfare office, or a rehabilitation center then his message I would have taken him seriously. No, instead he was speaking to a crowd of Black Elitest, and White conservatives. Which leads me to believe he was just trying to entertain his crowd. After all he is a "Master entertainer". Like the saying "when in Rome do as the Romans". I guess he was just trying to "speak there language".
Also, his message only appeals to ppl like NTFS, Cynique, and Mzuri. Black ppl who pride themselves on following the teachings of Clarence Thomas, and Ward Connerly. And NTFS as much as you deny it you do sound like a "minnie" Clarence Thomas. Not realizing that everything you have is including your college education is because of the loudmouth, trouble-making, Negroes that you, Bill Cosby, and Clarence Thomas so condemn.
To tell you the truth Denzel Washington, and Sam Jackson make a much better role model than Bill Cosby. I would "stand at attention" if these words came out of Jim Brown's mouth. |
Serenasailor
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Not only that NTFS you also made an "ignorant" comment a couple of months ago about Black women and Welfare. And compared them to your Asian counterparts that you concluded were "doing well". Then a couple of days ago you condemned Clarence Thomas for making the same accusations about his sister lying on her in front of his White conservative constituents calling her a "Welfare Queen".
If you did your homework you would know that Black women do NOT make up the largest percentage of Welfare recipients. And that White ppl outnumber Black ppl 2 to 1 on the Welfare payroll.
It almost makes me "cringe" at the thought of you spewing these types of falsehoods in front of your White/Non-Black co-workers.
But unfortunately Black ppl like you are "nothing new". |
Jmho
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Serenasailor wrote:
To tell you the truth Denzel Washington, and Sam Jackson make a much better role model than Bill Cosby. I would "stand at attention" if these words came out of Jim Brown's mouth.
Did you not know, or conveniently forgot, Jim Brown's history of violence against women (and men), or Sam Jackson's infidelities and drug and alcohol addiction? |
Cynique
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NTFS and JHMO, consider the source when you read a post by SOS. All he does is recycle and pollute with his tired ol rhetoric. |
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