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Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - 06:44 pm: | 
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…and draws on an analogy I just made use of the other day (tho in a slightly different context).
The Washington Times
www.washingtontimes.com
Unity of blacks lacking on Obama
By Brian DeBose
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published March 14, 2007
Black civil rights leaders seem unwilling or unable to unite around Sen. Barack Obama's ascendancy as a political leader and potentially the presidency, with all having a different position on whether he should be passed the torch.
The Rev. Al Sharpton, who has been a critic of Mr. Obama, recently warned the Illinois Democrat in a sermon given in Chester, Pa., not to forget the civil rights movement as he runs for president.
Mr. Obama's speech at the 50th anniversary of the "Bloody Sunday" march in Selma, Ala., spoke of the movement as having brought him opportunity and proclaimed himself a member of the "Joshua generation" to civil rights leaders of the past.
"What I said is that I agree with him that we are part of the Joshua generation, but Joshua came from the ranks of Moses to continue the struggle and not to abandon the struggle," Mr. Sharpton said.
"So being a part of the Joshua generation is based on your work and not your age because if we don't bring people across to Jordan, then we have not reached the status of Joshua generation."
Mr. Sharpton said the press has been trying to pit him and Mr. Obama against each other. He said some of Mr. Obama's supporters have accused the 2004 presidential candidate of being jealous of the Illinois senator.
"This is a new twist that people are using to keep from answering questions about civil rights," Mr. Sharpton said.
"I do not think we can live in the world where we can't ask questions about our issues because we are the same race or gender; every women's group in America is asking Hillary about Roe versus Wade and other women's issues, so are they jealous of Hillary ... that's ridiculous."
Mr. Sharpton said he is every day "more inclined not to run for president," noting that none of the Democratic candidates has a clear civil rights agenda, reflected in polls showing that not one has attained 50 percent of the black vote.
And this indecision is clear in how other black leaders have positioned themselves so far in the race.
Older black leaders like Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan called Mr. Obama a "beautiful person" and said it was "all right" for the candidate to keep at arm's length controversial leaders like himself or Mr. Obama's own pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., with a more black-nationalist perspective, in the interests of protecting his campaign.
Younger black politicians like Rep. Keith Ellison, Minnesota Democrat and the nation's only Muslim member of Congress, has endorsed Mr. Obama, saying he is the only candidate with a unification message.
Meanwhile, older blacks have held back from endorsing anyone at all, preferring to wait and see who will court their support.
"And that is what the problem is," said Melissa Harris-Lacewell, professor of politics and African-American studies at Princeton University.
"Barack went around them to build his own political base in a quirky way by building a base of young black and white voters, and he eventually didn't need old guard black leaders. He eschewed the black political machine."
She said in black American culture where youth are taught to be silent and give all deference to their elders, Mr. Obama is in a difficult position as the young candidate giving deference to his elders but trumping their authority by seeking higher goals of power and influence.
She also said Mr. Obama's uneasy alliance with black political leaders stems from his early days in Chicago when he ran against Democratic Rep. Bobby L. Rush, a former Black Panther, in 1996 and lost as the Rev. Jesse Jackson and members of the Congressional Black Caucus chastised him and told him to wait his turn.
But Ms. Lacewell said that unlike 11 years ago, it is his time now, and he should not be told to continue waiting.
Copyright © 2007 News World Communications, Inc. All rights reserved.
Copyright The Washington Times
http://washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20070313-110514-1800r |
Cynique
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Veeeeeeeeerry interesting. |
Abm
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Tonya,
Okay. You saw fit to post this article. What do YOU draw from it?
Is the lackluster Black support of Obama due to his failures as a litigator and politician?
Or is it about old timer Black politicians and advocates being pissed they he's NOT had to kiss their crusty Blacka$$es?
And WTF is Sharpton talking about Joshua and (River) Jordans and sh*t? Obama's running for the presidency of the United States. He's not trying to get annointed an honorary Jesus Christ or something.
This is why it's HIGHTIME Black foks need to start transitioning out of this bvllsh*t preacher politician crap. |
Cynique
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It's high time for black people to make up their own minds about who to vote for instead of being beaten into submission by the Obama nazis. |
Tonya
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Abm,
I don’t see McCain shitting on Lincoln, Kennedy or Reagan.
I don’t see Obama shitting on them neither.
And I saw fit to post this article cuz LATELY Sharpton’s name’s been getting sullied ‘round here, as well. The word hasn’t stopped cuz Obama.
quote:And WTF is Sharpton talking about Joshua and (River) Jordans and sh*t? Obama's running for the presidency of the United States. He's not trying to get annointed an honorary Jesus Christ or something. This is why it's HIGHTIME Black foks need to start transitioning out of this bvllsh*t preacher politician crap.
Sharpton was quoting...OBAMA. Care to, ummm, hmmm, hmmmmm...READ??
Speech by Barack Obama, Selma:
http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/179/23910.html?1173424578#POST9105 2 |
Yvettep
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Cynique, who are these "Nazis" you are speaking of? Certainly not Obama himself, who has said repeatedly that he fully expects Black people to think and vote for themselves and not automatically support him.
As for the "leadership" issues (tho I cannot ever recall voting either Rev Sharpton or Rev Jackson as one of my leaders...but I digress...): Really, along with the whole NAACP shenanigans, this campaign is really bringing out some interesting fault lines in our old guard Black leadership structure. |
Abm
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Tonya,
I was referring to what Sharpton said above. It seems to me what Obama said was very much in the spirit of the occassion for which it was presented. He, unlike Sharpton, was using such to directly effect how and for whom someone should vote.
And, unlike Sharpton, Obama's NOT a (unelectable) politician who's mostly just pretending to be a preacher.
Yvettep,
Those faultines are, apparently, not just amongst our Black leadership. Hell. They appear to be playing out...HERE. |
Tonya
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ALL this sh*t is OLD man.
The only people fooled is you and Yvette.
The way I see it history's repeating itself.
New leadership my ass.
Black folks’ll be having this SAME argument in a 100 years.
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Abm
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Tonya: "ALL this sh*t is OLD man...The only people fooled is you and Yvette...The way I see it history's repeating itself...New leadership my ass...Black folks’ll be having this SAME argument in a 100 years."
And so THAT's why you're voting for (a frickin' Southern White Good ol' Boy shyster attorney)...John Edwards? |
Yvettep
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Tonya, exactly what am I being "fooled" about? What history is being repeated? I see myself as many things, foolish not being one of them. And as for history, that is its bent, isn't it: to progress in cycles that appear to be the same song in slightly different tunes for new epochs. It could very weel be that Black folks will be having similar discussions 100 years from now. Whatever the case, I wish them well. 
Anyway, as I have said, to each his/her own. Just trying to have a true conversation here. It is a difficult thing to do online, I realize. Even moreso as this seems to be stirring up all sorts of deep emotions in folks on all sides.
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Abm
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Yvettep,
Foks can effectively talk online when they observe and respect certain rules of discourse.
But, again, what's quite apparent here is that some foks will employ ANY/EVERY means to disparage and mischaracterize Obama, even to the point of inanity.
I will admit, though, their inanity has inspired me to respond in ways that I might later regret. |
Yvettep
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respond in ways that I might later regret
Yeah, ABM. LOL! Tonya, girl, folks died for your right to vote for whoever the hell you want to. And me and everybody else here on this board. Whatever else happens this is shaping up to be one of the most interesting campaign seasons in recent history--and that's saying a lot considering the drama we've seen recently! |
Yvettep
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P.S. ABM, words like "inanity" in describing folks with different views is just one of those "discourse" blockers you hinted at. Just sayin. LOL! |
Tonya
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Ditto Yvette!
Abm: FART!!!!!
Folks died for me to do that too, Yvette...
...and many are clappin in their graves that I did to Abm's stuck-up ass!
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Yvettep
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Ummm...musta missed the "right to pass gas" chapter in my history books. LOL |
Tonya
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LOL!!! They wasn't writin us in no book back then, had to learn it from granny! |
Yvettep
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Dear Tonya,
Proper ladies do not "f*rt," they poot.
Love,
Granny |
Yvettep
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P.S: Note that in less than 2 hours we go from the topic of Al Sharpton to passing gas.
Just sayin. |
Abm
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Yvettep: " ABM, words like "inanity" in describing folks with different views is just one of those "discourse" blockers you hinted at. Just sayin."
Indeed. And touché.
Tonya,
I 'spect you'd better enjoy the release of another of my bodily functions:
*SQUIRT* |
Tonya
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Awwwe, that was not nice!
Btw, "poot," that's not short for "pooterish" is it??
Please say "yes". Cuz my granny would LHAO up in heaven at that one!
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Cynique
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Pardon me, Yvette, if I resort to excessive rhetoric in the use of the word "Nazi". It's just a knee-jerk reaction to words like "coon" and "slave mentality", terms that are indiscriminately applied by certain Obama supporters on this board. And just between me and you, I like Barak just fine. He's like a shiny new penny but - his supporters never seem to want anybody to flip the coin. They only want "heads"; never "tails". |
Abm
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Tonya,
You started the game of the bodily functions, babe. So don't trip 'cause I'm gone be the closer. |
Abm
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Btw: There are some Wet Naps next to the bed. |
Tonya
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...It wasn't nice cuz you missed! And I'm looking 4 a straight-shooter. (haha!)
Save them naps 4 next time playah.
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Abm
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Tonya,
Babe. I ALWAYS hit the marks I intend to.
Truss.
Btw: You missed a little bit under your left eye. |
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