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     Tonya AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 4618 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
AsianWeek runs a column called "Why I Hate Blacks" CarmenVanKerckhove, BlogHer http://blogher.org/node/16195 'Why I Hate Blacks' Article POSTED: 6:38 am EST February 28, 2007 SAN FRANCISCO -- This is a copy of the controversial opinion piece by Kenneth Eng in Asian Week magazine: Here is a list of reasons why we should discriminate against blacks, starting from the most obvious down to the least obvious: • Blacks hate us. Every Asian who has ever come across them knows that they take almost every opportunity to hurl racist remarks at us. In my experience, I would say about 90 percent of blacks I have met, regardless of age or environment, poke fun at the very sight of an Asian. Furthermore, their activity in the media proves their hatred: Rush Hour, Exit Wounds, Hot 97, etc. • Contrary to media depictions, I would argue that blacks are weak-willed. They are the only race that has been enslaved for 300 years. It's unbelievable that it took them that long to fight back. On the other hand, we slaughtered the Russians in the Japanese-Russo War. • Blacks are easy to coerce. This is proven by the fact that so many of them, including Reverend Al Sharpton, tend to be Christians. Yet, at the same time, they spend much of their time whining about how much they hate "the whites that oppressed them." Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Christianity the religion that the whites forced upon them? • Blacks don't get it. I know it's a blunt and crass comment, but it's true. When I was in high school, I recall a class debate in which one half of the class was chosen to defend black slavery and the other half was chosen to defend liberation. Disturbingly, blacks on the prior side viciously defended slavery as well as Christianity. They say if you don't study history, you're condemned to repeat it. In high school, I only remember one black student ever attending any of my honors and AP courses. And that student was caught cheating. It is rather troubling that they are treated as heroes, but then again, whites will do anything to defend them. Copyright 2007 by WSBTV.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/11132853/detail.html | ||
| Brownbeauty123 Veteran Poster Username: Brownbeauty123 Post Number: 1827 Registered: 03-2006 Rating: N/A |
"In my experience, I would say about 90 percent of blacks I have met, regardless of age or environment, poke fun at the very sight of an Asian. Furthermore, their activity in the media proves their hatred: Rush Hour, Exit Wounds, Hot 97, etc" What was wrong with Rush Hour? Besides it not being that funny.. | ||
| Tonya AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 4619 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
Musings from a Stormfront discussion board? No. Believe it or not, they're actually excerpts from a column by one Kenneth Eng that ran in the San Francisco newspaper AsianWeek, which calls itself "The Voice of Asian America." (Props to Angry Asian Man for breaking the story, and thanks to Ananse, Tariq and Gayle for the tips.)... http://blogher.org/node/16195 | ||
| Chrishayden AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 3785 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Hey, this is the type of guy who black people regularly mugged and robbed for his lunch money. What kind of name is Eng, anyway? It's not Japanese-- He probably is ugly, stinks and has a clubfoot. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3676 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
Black people hate Black people. So why are you surprised that the other races hate Black people??? | ||
| Chrishayden AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 3787 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: |
Black people hate Black people. So why are you surprised that the other races hate Black people??? (Your usual apologizing for racism rant. Let me ask you. Is there ANYTHING a white or other person could do to any OTHER black person (I know you, being a Black Republican mostly cares only for what happens to you)that you would find bad or unacceptable? How about the men who killed Emmitt Till? Was that Okay, too? Enquiring minds want to know. | ||
| Libralind2 Veteran Poster Username: Libralind2 Post Number: 681 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: N/A |
This is too bad because I have had great experiences with Asians. I thought Rush Hour was funny. LiLi | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3677 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Chris - I'm not a Black Republican. I am a Black person who happens to vote Republican (because I got tired of the dummycrats). They are two different things. What are you? A Gay Black Democrat??? Gawd you're stupid. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 7526 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
I hope this gives ol chrishayden diarrhea, but I thought what the Asian guy said was true. And there does seem to be a mutual dislike between blacks and asians with both sides citing valid reason for this hostility. But chrishayden wants blacks to keep their heads in the sand. He considers this a sign of loyalty. The big dumb ostrich. LMAO. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 7527 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
And that fact that black people who hate to see stereotypes about themselves think that Rush Hour was funny says a whole lot. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3679 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Chris is clueless, delusional and in perpetual denial. | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1914 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
"Black people hate Black people." True........ "So why are you surprised that the other races hate Black people???" I'm not..... | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 7529 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
He is. "Eng" sounds like a Chinese name. | ||
| Chrishayden AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 3791 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Mzuri: You didn't answer the question. Chris is clueless, delusional and in perpetual denial. (I'm also fit as a fiddle and ready for love) I hope this gives ol chrishayden diarrhea, (etc) (I'll save your post for the next time I'm constipated) And that fact that black people who hate to see stereotypes about themselves think that Rush Hour was funny says a whole lot. (I'll give you a chance to explain before I hold you up to public ridicule) | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 7531 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
I don't owe you an explanation, chrishayden, or do your threats intimidate. yawn. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3680 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
Chris - It must be difficult for you to simply read the original posts here on this forum and add your own thoughts and opinions, since your typical modus operandi is to read all the other adult responses only to pick them apart, demanding some sort of explanation or justification -- as if you even merit anyone's time or attention. You need to step it up. Follow me for just a moment. The original post regards a story about an Asian who does not like Blacks. He has made several strong statements to support his opinion which I won't bother to repeat because I'm hopeful that you are literate and that you were able to grasp the above concept. In my effort to keep it real - which is the way I prefer to operate - I replied thus: Black people hate Black people. So why are you surprised that the other races hate Black people??? Now, what the •••• don't you understand??? | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 8605 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Tonya, I don't know why. But for some reason my primary response to this article is LAUGHTER. I guess it partly due to my imagining what White foks would have been doing to Asian Americans if there had been no Black foks here for the crackers to push around. | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 368 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: |
I guess Asian men got a right to be pissed. Statistically, an Asian woman in this country is more likely to marry a White man than an Asian man. Ouch! Ain't that a slap in the face! They're the only "race" where this holds true. So, yeah, this guy is taking his frustration out on Blacks since he's too powerless to take it out on the Whites he works for, and who are robbing his women from him left and right. Wonder if Eng got any daughters... HA! HA! HA! HA! | ||
| Latina_wi Regular Poster Username: Latina_wi Post Number: 208 Registered: 08-2006 Rating: N/A |
Tonya: I actually think that is a point to consider. There are several asian men who are bitter that asian women in america are more likely to be with a white man than their own asian men. Many see it is as an insult and the white man taking advantage. Might be too difficult to be so explosive and vitrolic towards the white man in america though. And everyone knows that african-american are often treated badly by new coming immigrants so that the immigrants can 'win favour'. Pathetic really. Though this man MAY have been trying to make a point it was a very bad one and was said disgracefully. Respect to the asian community who condemned him and reminded him if it wasn't for african-americans and the civil rights movement asian-americans wouldn't have the rights they have in the USA today (so ABM point comes in there). Orientals in the UK are okay, never have any big trouble with them. I have been good friends with a few and because I live in a majority white area (for university) the asian people kind of buddy up with the blacks and other ethnics (international student orientals). | ||
| Yvettep Veteran Poster Username: Yvettep Post Number: 1706 Registered: 01-2005 Rating: N/A |
Tonya, you beat me to this! LOL! Seriously, I love Carmen's work--"Addicted to Race" is one of the few podcasts that I still listen to from time to time. I am really glad she began writing for BlogHer. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 7534 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
Nobody actually rebutted the "Chink's" message; everyone just attacked the messenger. Sad but true but black folks always resort to petty arguments and innocuous ridicule to try and neutralize criticism. That's the only defense they have. And say what you will, the Asians can not only talk it, they can walk it. What is my point? Blacks need to find a new game plan. Cuz the present one ain't really working. IMO. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3683 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
AsianWeek Column Condemned As Racist By JULIANA BARBASSA Wednesday February 28, 2007 SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- An editor of a weekly newspaper calling itself "The Voice of Asian America" apologized after Asian-American and city leaders condemned a column titled "Why I Hate Blacks." In the piece, which appeared in the Feb. 23 edition of San Francisco-based AsianWeek, contributor Kenneth Eng lists reasons why he supports discrimination against blacks - including because "they are the only race that has been enslaved for 300 years." Ted Fang, AsianWeek's editor-at-large, called the decision to publish Eng's piece a "mistake" and held a news conference with NAACP leaders in San Francisco on Wednesday to discuss how the Asian and black communities "can be different and yet get along and work together." Fang said paper would not publish Eng's writing. "The newspaper is sorry that this got published, and I am personally sorry that this got published," Fang told The Associated Press. "The views in that opinion piece do not in any way reflect the views of AsianWeek." Leaders at the Asian American Justice Center, Chinese for Affirmative Action, Coalition for Asian Pacific Americans and other groups began circulating a petition denouncing the column as "irresponsible journalism, blatantly racist, replete with stereotypes, and deeply hurtful to African Americans." "It certainly does not speak for the vast majority of Asian Americans," Stewart Kwoh, who heads the Asian Pacific American Legal Center in Los Angeles, said Tuesday. "This kind of inflammatory (column) really can hurt and damage relations with the broader African-American community." The petition calls on AsianWeek to cut ties with Eng, issue an apology, print an editorial refuting the column, and fire or demote the editors who published it. AsianWeek, with a circulation of 48,505, issued a statement apologizing for "any harm or hurt this has caused the African American community." The paper plans to review its policies to "make sure it doesn't happen again," Fang said. Fang's family publishes AsianWeek, along with a local newspaper called the Independent, and owned the San Francisco Examiner between 2000 and 2004. Kenneth Eng, who has described himself as an "Asian Supremacist," has written several columns for AsianWeek since November, including pieces titled "Proof That Whites Inherently Hate Us" and "Why I Hate Asians." Fang refused to explain why Eng wasn't censured after the publication of the first two pieces despite repeated questions from reporters. Eng is in his early 20s and a graduate of New York University, according to a biography on a Web site promoting his science fiction writing. A telephone listing for Eng could not be located. Mayor Gavin Newsom said in a statement that the column had "no place in a city that is known around the world for civil rights and equality for all people. I am deeply concerned, both for the opinions expressed in the column and the fact that these opinions were published in a local newspaper." http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/H/HATE_COLUMN?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3684 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
That's because there's nothing to rebut. Most of the comments that the Chink made are true. LOL! And tomorrow morning, all the wig/weave wearing Black women will be standing in a line at the Chink's GoodKoreanHairSupply to drop their last money for their hair fix. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3685 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
I just had a deja vu moment. We've had this conversation before. The Asians have us by the balls. We're driving their cars, wearing their hair, eating KimChee and watching Sony televisions. And we are producing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. It's no wonder they think we're stupid. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3686 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
We can't even produce our own •••• ing hair!!! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 7536 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
True dat, Mzuri! LOL. From the looks of the article you posted, Asian are also very good at being "politically correct". | ||
| Lil_ze Veteran Poster Username: Lil_ze Post Number: 816 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
i wish someone would ask eng why so many asian women are the sex slaves of white men, and feel its an honor to marry/have a child with a white man as opposed to an asian man? oh yeah, i guess thats one of the reasons why he "hates asians" also. i like some asians. here's one i love-  | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1915 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
"I just had a deja vu moment. We've had this conversation before. The Asians have us by the balls. We're driving their cars, wearing their hair, eating KimChee and watching Sony televisions. And we are producing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. It's no wonder they think we're stupid. We can't even produce our own •••• ing hair!!!" Hmmmmmmm.....well.....I think I'll sit back and wait for one of the indignant race pride Negroes attempt to refute or challenge any of the aforementioned. Bitter medicine in the form of a reality check but very true. This outta be fun............ | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 8606 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: |
If Eng wants to hate and look down upon Black foks, let him. Because it ain't like we haven't seen and experienced this sh*t before. Eng lies and/or grossly exaggerates and uses his alleged personal experiences to make sweeping generalizations about Black people in ways that either cannot be rebutted. He claims 90% of the Black foks that he's observed hate Asians? Yet, if we Black foks loathe Asians so much, why do we patronize their restaurants, convenience stores, beauty supply shops, etc.? Why do we consume and utilize countless products/goods that we clearly KNOW are made/distributed by Asians? Hell. Many asians have become WEALTHY because Blacks have a level of generosity, fairness and ACCEPTANCE that FEW other people have. Also, how often are their incidences of violence & crime between Blacks and Asians? If Blacks HATED Asians, wouldn't Blacks be kicking Asian a$$ all of the place? I think Spike Lee's Do The Right Thing (especially the scene where Radio Raheem attempts to buy batteries in the convenience store) )wonderfully captures the way Blacks feel about Asians: Though we don't always understand/appreciate specific things you say/do and may negatively respond to some of that, if you do right by us, we'll do right by you. The other claims Eng make about Blacks are too ridiculous to engage. Blacks didn't wait 300 years to resist slavery. And it's EASY to assert what foks who've been enslaved should do, how they should worship, etc. when you've NOT been stolen from your homeland, culture and language, beaten, raped, lynched, firebombed, etc. Eng is doing what EVERY other non-Black ethic group does when they achieve some modicum of success and position in America: Bash the kneegrows. That's always much easier and safer for non-Black minorities to do than it is for them to question/challenge the White majority. The sh*t's so predictable and boring, it's not worth rebutting him. Especially given that the Black Americans he deride are the same foks who've taken much more of the risks, paid more the price, fought, bled and died for mofo's like him to have the luxury and privilege to complain about them. | ||
| Robynmarie Regular Poster Username: Robynmarie Post Number: 331 Registered: 04-2006 Rating: N/A |
Eng sounds like a Chinese name, but Asians are more than Chinese and Japanese. When I think of Asians these days I think of Afghans and Pakistanis, the folks we are at war with. Most folks don't think of them as Asians but they are and they are not selling fake hair or cars. They deal in bombs and terror. This Eng person is one angry and ignorant dude. Americans have much bigger things to worry about with regards to some Asian people It seems we have as many stereotypes about Asians as they do about African Americans. In L.A. we had our issues with Koreans in our neighborhoods disrepecting us, but I THINK we have gotten over it. | ||
| Urban_scribe AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Urban_scribe Post Number: 369 Registered: 05-2006 Rating: N/A |
I'm currently doing research for a project on prison gangs. I'm fascinated by much of what I'm learning. Did you know that in prisons throughout this country, beginning from WWII to present day, Asian gangs and Black gangs form allegiance whereas Latino gangs and White gangs form allegiance? I didn't know that. I was expecting to find that Black and Latino prison gangs form allegiance with each other, and Asian and White prison gangs were tight. So far my research indicates that's not the case. I'm now attempting to get to the heart of the matter as to how and why these alliances came about. I've got over 2,000 pages of documents to thumb through, and I'll be visiting prisons throughout the country beginning April and interviewing inmates for firsthand accounts. This is going to be a documentary with my girlfriend who is an independent filmmaker. She's half-Black/half-Japanese and her father, Black, is currently incarcerated, which is what piqued her curiosity in the first place. She commissioned me to write the story that she'll later turn into a docufilm. So I find it intriguing, if not contradictory, that "on the outside" relations between Blacks and Asians are strained. | ||
| Robynmarie Regular Poster Username: Robynmarie Post Number: 335 Registered: 04-2006 Rating: N/A |
Sounds like fascinating research, BTW, Urban Scribe. | ||
| Robynmarie Regular Poster Username: Robynmarie Post Number: 336 Registered: 04-2006 Rating: N/A |
Latinos believe they are white. So I can understand why they would team up with whites. I think it is an exagerration to say relations between Asians and blacks are strained. Depending on which Asian culture you are talking about, I think we have overall good relations. What I have noticed about Southeast Asians (Vietnamese, Cambodians, etc) they are not that found of white folks, but unlike African Americans, they won't speak up. | ||
| Latina_wi Regular Poster Username: Latina_wi Post Number: 213 Registered: 08-2006 Rating: N/A |
^^^^Many latinos are white, and funnily enough many white people feel the same. Though I am VERY surprised they would come together in prison gangs. | ||
| Robynmarie Regular Poster Username: Robynmarie Post Number: 337 Registered: 04-2006 Rating: N/A |
^^^ I am not surprised. Although it would make more sense for whites and blacks to come together in prison, since we have much in common. Maybe it has to do with the type of crimes they are in for??? People think because many Latinos and African Americans come from the same neighborhoods and in some cases are poor that they should stick together. It would be better if we did, but for some reason we hate each other. I still don't get it. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3688 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Mexicans, white Latinos and Hispanics are caucasians. Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race - and Latin is a language. The people of Spain are white - many of them have blonde hair and blue eyes. Obviously the above doesn't apply to the Black Mexicans, Latinos and Hispanics - those are negroes or mixed with negro and are considered Black or moreno or whatever. The reason that Blacks and Asians are tight in prison is probably because both racial groups were slaves to the American white man. The Asians built the railroads. How soon we forget. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 7542 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
LMAO. Well, NTFS, are you still waiting for a rebuttal to the points Eng made??? I am. Such obfuscation I never heard! I was especially amused by the claim that if Blacks hated Asians why do they patronize their businesses. This remark from somebody who previously voiced how he wasn't going to allow his daughters to patronize a Korean Beauty supply shop anymore because the owner was spying on the customers. And it's not like Blacks have a choice as to what store to go to inasmuch as the enterprizing Asians own all these businesses. The writer of this article didn't say why Asians hate Blacks. He explained why he hated Blacks and the slope he was standing on wasn't really that slippery. | ||
| Dahomeyahosi Regular Poster Username: Dahomeyahosi Post Number: 207 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
It's been my general experience and overall understanding that Asians do not like blacks. Generally , they despise blacks. Clearly I am generalizing because my husband is Japanese but being married to him has made me privy to a lot of things I would not otherwise know. Japanese people, for example, perform in blackface on a regular basis. The positive is, unlike whites, that they are honest about it so you may act accodingly (do not patronize their shops etc.). They have no sense of historical guilt to prevent them from being boldfaced racists. If the level of political correctness gets to the point where people have to tell the truth behind closed doors then you won't know who your detractors are. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 8608 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: |
Dahomeyahosi, I believe most African Americans (especially us who've been around awhile) know were the object of the scorn of many - if not MOST - non-Black foks. And we just keep on steppin', babe. | ||
| Yvettep Veteran Poster Username: Yvettep Post Number: 1709 Registered: 01-2005 Rating: N/A |
Urban Scribe, that sounds absolutely fascinating! Do you all have a website or any other preliminary info about your efforts? Please keep the board informed about your research. | ||
| Doberman23 Veteran Poster Username: Doberman23 Post Number: 835 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
wesley snipes doesn't hate asian people | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 7547 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Yep, ol Wes has a thing for Asian woman, doesn't he? But the premier of Japan has little regard for all black folks. That's why a couple of years ago, he made the statement about America being handicapped by having to bear the burden of its black population, a statement for which he subsequently "apologized", saying he was sorry for being insensitive. | ||
| Serenasailor Veteran Poster Username: Serenasailor Post Number: 1356 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Wes is a typical "Sell Out" and a huge "Asshole". Typical dark-skinned Black man who hates all Black ppl and blames them for his own skin being so "Black". On the other hand one thing that I noticed about Asians that is different than any other race in regards to their dealings with Black ppl. Most Asians either hate Black ppl or Love them to death. Which is really odd. Most other ethnic groups that I've encountered at least have a middle ground. With other ethnic groups you have those that love Black ppl, or are in the middle(meaning they couldn't care less; they can take us or leave us). Then you have those that detest Black ppl. But with Asians their doesn't seem to be a "middle ground". They either "Hate you or Love you". Very ODD!! | ||
| Serenasailor Veteran Poster Username: Serenasailor Post Number: 1357 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Dahomeyahosi, I believe most African Americans (especially us who've been around awhile) know were the object of the scorn of many - if not MOST - non-Black foks. And we just keep on steppin', babe. That true too ABM. You have to realize that everyone in the world "Hate Blackness". Everyone in the world detest "Black skin coloring". Race in itself is a "social construct". Its about skin color, hair texture that is what ppl discriminate against. Race is a fairly new conception. | ||
| Dahomeyahosi Regular Poster Username: Dahomeyahosi Post Number: 208 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Abm, I'd like to think that's true. A lot of black "leaders" make a point of supporting other non-white causes, especially latinos, regardless of the fact that those people have shown blacks little support. They also fail to call out other non-whites when they demonstrate the same racist behavior that whites do. Do you think this is just to built tenable political blocks or that these leaders truly think their is an authentic bridge between blacks and other non-whites? | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 8609 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Dahomeyahosi: "Do you think this is just to built tenable political blocks or that these leaders truly think their is an authentic bridge between blacks and other non-whites?" I believe that's largely what's going on. I also think Black leaders believe the views of non-Blacks are mostly the product of what's been presented by Whites and they think (perhaps falsely) that our building relationships and alliances can help alter those views. | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1925 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
"Race in itself is a "social construct". Its about skin color, hair texture that is what ppl discriminate against. Race is a fairly new conception." That's not exactly true Serenasailor. The concept of race (as an easily visible identifiable differentiation) has been around a lot longer than the current academic debate about what race really means. If you have noticed, recently, there seems to a galvinazation of writing among academicians (i.e. geneticists, anthropologist's, ethnologists, etc) that refute the age old institutionalized concept of "race". Prior to this, whites used race as a justification to divide, categorize, colonize, manipulate and enslave people for their own needs and purpose. There is nothing new about this. The idea of race was not always viewed as a "social construct" but one of empirical science. The Nazis had taken the concept of race to the most absurd levels. Believing that Jews and Slovaks were one step above blacks (who are at the very bottom) of the human evolutionary ladder. Darwin's theories of evolution were used to distinguish differences between the so-called races of man based on genetic branching and natural selection -not social constructs. And the concept of "genetic race" is the underlying core for "eugenics" (invented by Francis Galton). White pseudoscience advocated and promoted race theories in the 19th century, which utilized physical anthropology, anthropometry, craniometry, etc, to establish a typology of races. Naturally, these race advocates promoted the concept of a "master race" (which was Nordic and Aryan) at the top of their racial classifications. Thank God such theories and postulations have now been completely discredited. But unfortunately, these pseudo-sciences provided an ideological justification for colonialism, slavery and generic racism. So, you are correct that people do discriminate because of physical features, skin color and hair texture, but your statement of race being a "fairly new conception" is not exactly true. Once again, until recently, race was not seen as a social construct but one of genetics. | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1942 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
rush hour is racist as hell...although chris tucker plays a buffoon, he also effectively makes jackie chan one too! the basis of the story is that jackie chan is intelligence less and needs the help of chris tucker.. abm and Dahomeyahosi: coalition politics in necessary...blacks don't have enough power not to; if it is seen as a war, then one battle may demand coalition, and another battle may demand black v. asian conflict. Clearly, this 'apology' on the behalf of AAJC understood that their community could not legitimize Eng's promulgations. Serenasailor: 'race' is an old idea, as Ntfs points out. Also, skin color is a way to identify black people, but its not REALLY about skin color, because once blacks who passed as whites were outted they too were segregated, lynched, etc... It is the idea that people, identied as part of a 'black' race are biologically inferior, and this "truism" is the reason WHY "black people" were enslavement, poverty, etc....the other part of the equation is the idea that another race is successful because they are biologically superior, intellectually superior, and their work ethic and drive are superior... Thus, the fact that in the post civil rights era black people are poor proves, for many, that black Americans are inferior. Or, decades after colonialism, Africans are still poor; and worse, Africans can not govern themselves...again, the train of thought is: success is the produce of biological and intellectual superiority.... this of course, excludes the veracity of history....murder, exploitation, etc...how knowledge is used to exploit...for example, much of what African Americans or black people in general, at least those invested in white culture, believe about themselves and the world is created by the exploiters....how else could you not hate yourself if your only way of viewing yourself and the world is through the lens of whites? Another bad day...LOL! | ||
| Serenasailor Veteran Poster Username: Serenasailor Post Number: 1358 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Actually, Yukio and Ntfs race is a fairly "new" construct that was introduced in about the 15th and 16th century. Understand that the ancient world didn't distinguish races the way we do today. Everything we know about race comes from European colonization. Once Europeans reached the "New World" they had to find ways to distinguish themselves from the non-white population. Also, as European technology advanced and they began to acquire more wealth they had to justify why they had to dominate and subjugate non-whites. Thats were the doctrine of biological superiority and inferiority came from!! What you are talking about Yukio when you talk about Blacks being able to "pass" as White. You are talking about racism based on heritage. And racism based on heritage was only around because of Segregation/and or Aparteid. The "One drop rule". However, most ppl base their racism on physical differences that they can actually see like skin-color, hair texture etc. Physical characteristics is how ppl distinguish themselves which leads to racism. Because ppl believe that if ppl are physically different than they must be "innately" different as well. | ||
| Chrishayden AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 3802 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
this of course, excludes the veracity of history....murder, exploitation, etc...how knowledge is used to exploit...for example, much of what African Americans or black people in general, at least those invested in white culture, believe about themselves and the world is created by the exploiters....how else could you not hate yourself if your only way of viewing yourself and the world is through the lens of whites? (Boy, does this guy have an attitude or what? Hey, Yukio! Lighten up! Be more like me! | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1944 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
serenasailor: well, if the 15th and 16th century is recent, then you're right...LOL! The biological explanations did not come about til the 19th c., actually. However, most ppl base their racism on physical differences that they can actually see like skin-color, hair texture etc. Physical characteristics is how ppl distinguish themselves which leads to racism. Because ppl believe that if ppl are physically different than they must be "innately" different as well. We that is, is the tail end of the story. The more important part is that economic forces in the 17th c., in the U.S. at least, led to racial slavery. It wasn't about Africans being inferior being they were of the 'black' race, but because they were not Christian. Once British labor became more expensive, and African labor cheap, the British began to codify laws to extend servitude froma term to life based on being African. Thereafer, What was African and non-Christian was equated to servitude for life. Before this, Africans in the North America could assimilate, that is become Christian, and leave their lives like anyone else. Thus, since they til now, what was codified in law, philosophical texts, psuedoscience, labor markets, etc...created the idea that not just physical difference but being BLACK means to be innately inferior. The Jews, Irish, etc...were considered physically different, and they were discriminated against, but at the end of the day, there were incorporated into the anglo-saxon category of white. | ||
| Renata Veteran Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 1843 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
I personally have not experienced any trouble with Asians. More asian men pursued me (before marriage) than black men did. One odd thing I did find interesting is that many (of those that I personally knew) had African friends, but not many had black American friends. One friend even went so far (because he had some father/big brother complex or something) to get angry with me for dating an american black. It was his opinion that I should date an African, Japanese, or Korean because Americans don't make good fathers. Often (but not always) people who have trouble with as many as 90% of a people have it because they're EXPECTING trouble and giving an attitude. People pick up on that. | ||
| Renata Veteran Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 1844 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
He's got a point with the religion thing. On the other hand as well, it's been my personal experience that asians don't like each other any more than they like us. I remember a good Chinese friend who refused to talk to me, when he found out I had a Japanese boyfriend (he said they're all short and annoying and have a superiority complex).... a Bangladeshi boyfriend who said that Vietnamese talk the way they do on purpose so they can cheat you (he would also reach across me and lock the door if he saw a hispanic person around, and said that mexicans are good at killing people, very racist)..... a Pakistani friend of mine married an Indian woman and her mother threatened to kill herself...... two indian friends who swear that there's nothing stinkier than a Bangladeshi..... | ||
| Renata Veteran Poster Username: Renata Post Number: 1845 Registered: 08-2005 Rating: N/A |
I have to say that I agree with most of what ABM says, though. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 8621 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Renata: "I have to say that I agree with most of what ABM says, though." Would you mind talking to my wife?  | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1951 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
renata: what u are discribing are historical beefs...[the japanese colonized the chinese, as well as the koreans] and basic discrimination based on ignorance. |
