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Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 588
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 07, 2007 - 09:25 pm: | 
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"According to the National Center for Education Statistics, 43% of black fourth-graders do one hour or more of homework per night, as do 45% of whites and 47% of Hispanics. Although Asian fourth-graders are more likely than any other group to study one or more hours per night (56% do so), the differences between whites, blacks and Hispanics are too small to explain performance differences, and certainly contradict the notion that blacks or Latinos devalue education relative to whites.
In fact, black and Hispanic fourth-graders are both more likely than whites that age to do more than one hour of homework, with 18% of Hispanics, 17% of blacks, but only 15% of whites putting in this amount of study time daily. Although Asians demonstrate more study time at this level, the differences between them and other students of color are not substantial: about 21% of Asian students in fourth grade study more than one hour.
There is also no evidence that black parents take less interest in their children’s education, or fail to reinforce the learning that takes place in the classroom once their children are home. Once again, NCES statistics indicate that black children are more likely than whites to often spend time with their parents on homework.
Black students are twice as likely as white students to get help from their parents on homework every day of the school week (twenty percent compared to ten percent), and while roughly half of black students get help from parents on homework at least three times each week, approximately two-thirds of whites get such help two times or less, with whites a third more likely than blacks to work with parents rarely if ever on their homework."
"When kids from lower-income families—who are disproportionately of color—correctly answer all math questions on a standardized test, they are no more likely to be placed in advanced or college tracks than children from upper-income families who missed a fourth of the questions, and they are 26% less likely to be placed in advanced tracks than upper-income persons with comparably perfect scores. Even the President of the College Board has acknowledged that black 8th graders with test scores comparable to whites are disproportionately placed in remedial high school classes."
you can read the rest of the article at the link below because all of it is very interesting
http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2002-11/26wise.cfm |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 3893
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 01:41 am: |
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Tim Wise is the man! Thanks for posting this misty. You've inspired me to look for some more GOOD NEWS! Have you read the new study about young Blacks and safer sex? It’s bitter/sweet because, apparently, in spite of practicing safer sex than whites (and drinking less, smoking less and using less drugs than whites as well), they’re risk for STD’s is still among the highest in their age group. BUT at least they’re taking safe sex seriously, which totally contradicts what we’ve been lead to believe regarding our young folks drugs and safe sex.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1077&dept_id=237813&newsid=17620328&PAG=4 61&rfi=9
http://www.louisianaweekly.com/weekly/news/articlegate.pl?20061225e
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Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 592
Registered: 02-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 02:00 am: |
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Tonya.....very interesting information...thanks for posting it...
i think one reason blacks are more succeptable to certain STds like aids is because aids was manmade and manufactured specifically to affect gays and blacks.
and its true that there are actually some whites who are immune to aids and cant catch it....i remember reading that...i even saved it in one of my emails....ill try to dig that article up one day. so that may be one reason blacks are more likely to catch aids |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 593
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 02:02 am: |
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"Tim Wise is the man!"
right...i've been reading his stuff since 2001 now...but i havent read any of his more recent stuff....i need to check and see what hes saying these days. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 3897
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 02:36 am: |
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(Oops! That was supposed to say "led" not "lead." My bad.)
Yeah, Tim Wise is one of the best. ..glad he's on our side!
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 7523
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 12:16 pm: |
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Tonya,
Notice your article refers to what occurs at FOURTH GRADE. Many credible studies assert that there is very little disparity in academic performance between Blacks and non-Blacks at that stage. The gulf usually begins to occur somewhere between Fifth and Sixth grade (this is ESPECIALLY the case with Black boys). And this burgeoning disparity is the result of a confluence of sociological phenomenon that is unique to the circumstance of many African Americans.
At this pre-pubescent tweener stage, all children naturally begin to pull away from their parents and families and the influence of their peer groups increase in importance. But Black youths typically are confronted with myriad impediments that are fairly unique to being Black. One of such is the now-ubiquitous single Black parenting. We often have one parent working 2 (or more) jobs to make ends meet. Thus, very few of them have the energy or wherewithal to assist their kids with trigonometry homework.
And since most Black single parents are female, you have countless numbers of naturally rambunctious, horny boys who lack strong male influences to encourage (and where necessary FORCE) them to study.
Thus we have A LOT of ill-prepared Black children reinforcing educationally counterproductive thoughts and behavior patterns amongst each other.
Add all of the above and there is little wonder why Black students are more likely to become distracted from their studies than their non-Black peers. And such would eventually be reflected in disparities in academic performance and achievement.
However. There is one part of your article that you did not post that I find most troubling:
" Even black students from families with $70,000 or more in annual income SCORE LOWER, on average, on the SAT, than whites from families earning less than $20,000 annually; and blacks from families with $50,000 or more in annual income SCORE LOWER than whites from families with $6,000 or less in annual earnings."
THAT suggests our academic woes are the product of a lot MORE than that which cash can satisfy. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 3907
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 12:25 pm: |
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...Abm,
That's why it totally blows my mind when people TRY to define it as a socio-economic problem; it's not. In my estimation, it's a psycho-social one.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 7525
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 12:30 pm: |
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Tonya,
Well. I would probably argue it's sociological, economical AND psychological. Because I do think economics are a factor.
But money is a tool. And like any other tool it's only as useful as those who wield it and the circumstances in which it is being wielded. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 3910
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 12:42 pm: |
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Yeah, but overall the children of America's middle class are predicted to do worse than their parents, educationally, health-wise, in terms of employment...across the board. But you’re right; money does help in some situations. Folks just aren't wielding it right, and parents aren't taking care of their responsibilities regardless of money/status. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 7528
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 12:51 pm: |
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Tonya,
Will they do worse because they're not as educated as their parents? Or because the opportunities that existed for their parents are drying up?
Perhaps you're referring to MORE than just an education issue/problem. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 3913
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 02:12 pm: |
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Abm,
"Will they do worse because they're not as educated as their parents? Or because the opportunities that existed for their parents are drying up?"
First of all, I think the opportunities have always been limited for Black folks. But as a nation, the opportunities are waning simply because we dropped the ball. The country is quickly turning into the haves and have-nots, and we sat around and LET it become this way. We were too busy shopping and eating and we weren’t paying attention to our government and politicians. It took SIX YEARS for the public to figure out what Bush was up to--and the majority of the public is educated and/or middle class! Was the public being dumb, or just not being attentive? We're not as smart as we used to be, but I think it has more to do with the majority being preoccupied with very difficult family affairs and/or mental illnesses which have shot up ASTRONOMICALLY over the years. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 3914
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 08, 2007 - 02:34 pm: |
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"Perhaps you're referring to MORE than just an education issue/problem."
I told you what the problem is: a psycho-social phenomenon... and not just for poor folks and Black folks. Although I think it's more complicated in the Black community, due to race and color. |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 596
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 12:23 am: |
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ABM...i posted the article...lol...jsut wanted to clarify....
now im back to reading |
Misty
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Username: Misty
Post Number: 597
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 12:27 am: |
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"However. There is one part of your article that you did not post that I find most troubling:
" Even black students from families with $70,000 or more in annual income SCORE LOWER, on average, on the SAT, than whites from families earning less than $20,000 annually; and blacks from families with $50,000 or more in annual income SCORE LOWER than whites from families with $6,000 or less in annual earnings."
alot of that has to do with black kids being tracked into special ed because so many of them speak ebonics...thats why i always cringe when people attempt to make people who speak ebonics look and feel ignorrant...because really the way you speak is no reflection on your IQ level....when you are tracked into special ed, it kinda brings down your confidence in your intelligence. |
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