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Kola
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THE BOXING RETURN OF MIKE TYSON
by
KOLA BOOF
I love Mike Tyson.
He gave me more than $7,000 to put my son in private school after the media tried to photograph my son at his public school
Read Details: http://breaking.tcm.ie/2003/01/07/story83361.html
....and even though he did this, I have NEVER MET Mr. Tyson in person.
Many people are speaking AGAINST Mike Tyson's comeback (see below)...but I believe that he's going to be a major HIT!
GO MIKE, GO!
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MSNBC:
Tyson is conning
us — and himself
Aging heavyweight is washed up,
and not the changed man he says
COMMENTARY
By Ron Borges
NBCSports.com contributor
Updated: 3:32 p.m. ET June 9, 2005
WASHINGTON - Mike Tyson says he's a new man. Considering his financial plight, he'd best be a new fighter as well.
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Tyson returns to the ring Saturday night for the first time since he was beaten by British journeyman Danny Williams more than a year ago. Tyson is fighting an even less formidable opponent this time in Kevin McBride, an Irish heavyweight who was knocked out several years ago by a guy (Michael Murray) who had lost 17 of his previous 18 fights.
That being the case, Tyson has been the picture of calm and rectitude in the weeks leading up to what seems a glorified sparring session. He has been introspective in nearly every interview, talking about the many problems of his checkered past, his failures outside the ring as well as inside it and his desire to change. At times he sounds like he's auditioning for a role on Dr. Phil's television show.
This has led many to speculate that there is a new Mike Tyson in our midst, an older and wiser Tyson who will turn 39 on June 30, an age that has caused him to re-evaluate his life and try to turn it around after having blown all of the $400 million he grossed in purses and squandering what was once a unique talent.
Boxing
Tyson: I'm going to gut him like a fish
By GRANTLEE KIEZA in Washington DC
June 10, 2005
MIKE Tyson spent much of this week explaining how he had mellowed as a human being, was comfortable with the place he had arrived at in life after a tortuous journey and how he was looking to a brighter future as a more humble and caring man.
Yesterday he said he would gut his next opponent like a fish, described him as a tomato can and said that if the opponent's agent didn't stop talking up the chances of amiable Irishman Kevin McBride there was a chance he'd get the guy killed.
As the 198cm McBride walked into the final press conference at a Washington university campus yesterday ahead of Sunday's heavyweight extravaganza, Tyson's mate bellowed out "Dead man walking".
McBride, an amiable country boy from Clones, Ireland, could only smile ruefully as Tyson glared at him like a mad dog sitting behind a wire fence.
"Man, this is going to be a pit bull against a big soft labrador," Tyson's mate continued.
McBride's manager then climbed to the podium and announced to the assembled media from around the world that Tyson was an old man and that Kevin McBride, bigger, younger and stronger, would make sure the fighting geriatric never got another title shot. Tyson's head almost burst at the effrontery.
"Sit down or you're gonna get Kevin killed," Tyson snapped.
"I'm gonna gut him like a fish. He's a tomato can. This is gonna be a first-class education in humility. I just wish I was fighting you instead."
Tyson, who will be 39 in three weeks, is looking to become a major player in the heavyweight division again following a stunning KO loss to Englishman Danny Williams in his last fight. His new trainer Jeff Fenech says Tyson can regain the world heavyweight title he first won in 1986 within three or four fights.
McBride, 32, is a big strong lad from Clones who now makes his home in Brockton, Massachusetts, which produced all-time greats Rocky Marciano and Marvin Hagler.
He fought at the 1992 Olympics, is trained by Hagler's old coach Goody Petronelli and has lost just four times in 37 fights. But the four losses came against mediocre opposition and Tyson is a heavy favourite.
"Some reporters have called this fight a fiasco, a circus," Tyson said. "But people are not here because I'm a circus, they're here because I'm an icon. An international star."
Tyson, who has lost five times in 57 pro fights, said his life had been a "Cinderella story" despite two jail terms and 20 years of controversy.
"Regardless of what you might think, that it's been grim and gloomy, I've had a tremendous life," Tyson said.
McBride, a head taller than Tyson, didn't sound too confident when he said: "When I hit Mike on the chin it will be like the whole of Ireland hitting him on the chin."
"I trained harder than ever before in my life. I told my late father that it was my dream to fight Mike Tyson one day and here I am ready to go. I feel as strong as an ox. I'm going to shock the world. Believe me when I say it."
Surrounded by some of his six children and his ex-wife Monica Turner, who has done much to organise the bout, Tyson said Fenech had given him a great focus for the future.
"Jeff is a dear friend and I feel in great shape for this fight," he said.
JUST FOR ABM:
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Kola
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What do you guys think about TYSON and about his comeback?
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Abm
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Kola,
I pity Tyson and wonder whether he's EVER had single person in his life who after he first laced up the gloves ever looked at him WITHOUT visions of benjamins dancing in their heads.
I think Tyson should STOP fighting...TODAY...now/forever.
Hire the very best, most reputable accountant, attorney and fraud investigators and fully/thoroughly settle his financial affairs.
That should include the complete liquidation of all but his most essential assets. And recover whatever his can from those who've stolen from him.
Take whatever's cash is left and create trust funds for himself and his children. (And he should NOT, no matter what, be capable of dissolving/commandeering his children trusts.)
IF he did rape Desiree Washington, he should publicly, sincerely apologize to her, her family, the owners of the hotel, the people of the State of Indiana, any/all those who believed he was innocent.
Because that incident and the issue it highlights has had reverberations throughout the Black community that spread far beyond those 2 people.
Get whatever physical/mental issues he has remedied as best as possible.
Make a sincere effort to educate/prepare himself for a post-boxing life.
Many people still love and root for Tyson. If he got control of himself, he could have a life that is much more fulfilling than it ever was while he was receiving $30M paydays.
Because Mike Tyson's time as a fighter has LONG SINCE ended.
He should move on and attempt to become the very best citizen, husband and father he's capable of becoming. |
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Amen! Preach, A-man! |
Kola
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I agree with you ABM.
And I told Mike that I do believe he raped Desiree, although I don't think he's unforgivable for it.
I think he can be turned around if he stays in the company of smart people who care about him--but he doesn't seem to be one for choosing those types of friends.
In many ways, he's like an orphaned kid--and being an orphan myself, I certainly relate to that.
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Kola
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Thanks for your honesty, ABM.
I wish more people could not only give it...but appreciate it when they hear it from others.
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Kola
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As for "rape", before people jump on me--
---I have been raped a few times myself, so I feel that I know a lot about the act and about rapists.
And my opinion is that although Mike probably raped Desiree---he is not a "rapist"---which truly is a violent act based on power, rather than someone being confused about the signals they're being sent and then ignoring their partner's protest because now that they've been turned on---they want the signals to mean something else.
It doesn't change what was done---but I personally DO differentiate between people who are constantly seduced by sexy woman and people who wait in parking lots to spring on women behind shopping carts or other PRE-meditated situations where the goal is to humiliate, brutalize and arise POWER and over the person being violated.
I have no proof that Mike raped anyone, but for years---I believed that Desiree was telling the truth and I still believe it, because of being raped myself.
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Abm
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Kola,
Tyson's biggest problem remains his inability to choose good company/counsel.
For instance, he's being urged to continue to fight because it's presumed he'll earn more money to improve his situation.
But if he couldn't do such with the $400M he's already done, how likely is it he'll do so for a few million more?
Tyson needs to stop deluding himself into thinking he can 'box' his way out of his troubles.
And I'm not sure I concur with your view about Tyson being a sexual predator.
I've heard it said that Mike was 'date raping' females as far back as during his amateur boxing years. It's been alleged the biggest problem his first trainer Costomato had with Mike was not training him to fight but in cowing Mike's young victims into abstaining from pressing sexual assault charges. |
Kola
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Wow. Well I'm glad you've given me that information, ABM. That makes me very sad, but I certainly needed to know.
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Abm
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Kola,
I could reference to stories involving Tyson's alleged/proven offenses. But I'm not going to bound upon the 'Tyson the Terrible' pile-on.
He's already got MORE than his share of those engage in such.
And to your point: I don't know whether Tyson is an inveterate, innate rapist. Nor am I even sure that sure is possible to discern.
But I doubt his (alleged) victims care how some ivory tower headshrinker might classify him. |
Kola
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My point about the differences in RAPE, ABM was this:
There are some men--people like Usher, Will Smith--who have HUNDREDS of women offering them sex and playing seduction "games" all day, every day. These women give blow jobs, get fucked on desks, do all manner of sexual activity.
For the MAN, it can get confusing as to what is happening when a woman (whether she's innocent or not) comes into his domain, sits on his bed and then----according to the man, sends mixed messages--letting him kiss her, fondle her, but then acting "wishy-washy" about penetration....
messages that often times (depending on the Groupie/Seductress--or innocent Girl) have different meanings, which can lead to RAPE....although for a time, the MAN may not necessarily believe that he has committed rape--no matter if the girl did say "NO, Stop, NO". HE LIVES in a celebrity culture of women who play that all the time. MANY WOMEN, while surrendering the pink--like to pretend, via body language, that they ARE NOT surrendering it. Some women--if the man is a different race--like to pretend it's being TAKEN, so that she can still feel VIRTUOUS after it's over.
Men who sleep with LOTS OF GROUPIES...can become very confused and jaded and make very bad judgement calls.
I'm not excusing it....
but I am pointing out that this is quite a bit different from the actual RAPIST, rape being a Pathology driven by VIOLENCE and POWER having nothing to do with sex....the violence and power of the rape being far more important than the actual sexual intercourse. In fact--the violence, controlling, power issues make the intercourse almost seem invisible in the wake of the barbarity of the act. Which is what I experienced when I was raped by Osama.
Again, I'm not excusing "RAPE" by any means---I have stated that I believe MIKE did it and I would certainly have sent him to jail for it.
But I still maintain that SOME MEN who committ rape are not necessarily "Rapists"
Just as some people who have STOLEN.....are not really THIEVES, and some people who have LIED.....are not really LIARS.
In other words, I believe that a man like Mike Tyson CAN BE rehabilitated and taught "people skills" (as so many black males from the Inner City don't know HOW to interact with girls, rather than wish to harm girls).....whereas a real "Rapist" is far less likely to be dissuaded from the thing that he feels gives him POWER and that best expresses his hatred for women.
The QUESTION for me in considering a friendship with a person like this......IS.......did that person make a bad judgement for which they've Changed Themselves....or is that WHO HE IS and WILL ALWAYS BE---A Rapist.
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But just to let you know....YOUR GUT reactions have influenced me more than anything has in the last few years.
Your sour response answered things within my intuition that have helped me make a final judgement for myself.
I think I should HEED the impulses I get from you.
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Abm
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Hmmmmmmm?
Well. I've never had it like Ushah and Big Will. But I've been in enuff sitcheashons to know that "No means no!"
So, I'm not sure I 'buy' what you're saying.
I 'feel' it as man. But once she say she don't want it, you leave her be and go after someone who will.
And just because you're rich/famous and you think the world's your private c@@chie factory don't mean you should be stupid.
What? You think you're going to be able to randomly swap crotches with ANY comely coed that comes within your eyesight and AVOID running into a few confused/deceptive/opportunistic types?
Come on now!
I do think there's a certain type of man who PREYS on the virtue of women (as they're as some men who do such with children) as an animalistic expression of power.
But, again, I don't have any way of knowing whether Tyson just lack the necessary charms with women or if he's a predator. |
Abm
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Kola,
Don't know (though suspect) what whatcha mean. But I'll just say watchah backside, kid. Cause you might be utterly APPALLED by what someone else has in store for it. |
Kola
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YIKES!!!!
LOL
Yes, ABM. I've decided tonight that I should NEVER meet Tyson.
But at the same time---at my age, and after I've already been raped several times---it's very ODD how desensitized I feel about rape.
I never fear it, think about it and was not affected by it the last two times it happened. It was just
---that thing men do sometimes.
How sad, but true.
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Kola
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Hopefully, people won't misconstrue what I just said.
I don't WANT to be raped or think it's normal.
I'm just lamenting the fact that some women from the SEEDIER parts of the world (like me) can become DE-sensitized to it....just as some people have seen other people beaten up or killed so many times that it no longer phases them.
I meant it when I said earlier that I feel that I know A LOT about rape and men who rape---and I've become good at sensing the types and DEFUSING the situations that lead to it.
And again--this has nothing to do with Mike Tyson. I'm talking about ME and only ME.
I have not met Mike Tyson in person, and I do not intend to----but I do have a great deal of empathy and sadness for his situation, because he helped my child 2 years ago and ASKED FOR NOTHING in return.
I wish that I could save him. That's what I feel, but I realize that I am not the person with the capability to do that.
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Kola
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ABM--
WHY ARE YOU MARRIEED!!!!???
LOL
(throwing my giant pillows all around the room!)
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Abm
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The only thing that's usual about what you feel is your willingness to admit to it. Otherwise, it's quite common, if not predictable.
It's a survival mechanism. It's the psyche's way of reconciling the enormity of what has happened to you.
It's no different from a wife who accepts/rationalizes being beaten senseless by the very person who's charged with protecting her.
Or Patti Hearst's yielding to her captors harebrained politics/machinations.
Or even a slave who accepts, if not prefers, his/her captivity.
But you've OBVIOUSLY survived/prevailed in spite of your past torments. Because if you hadn't, you may have continued to expose yourself to potential calamity. |
Abm
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Kola,
I think part of the problem with AA females is so few of them are being raised by father that they're ill-prepared to discern/disarm hazardous situations.
'Cause a hard d#$% has little conscience.
There is a moment that a man reaches where he'll curse GOD to get some while hoping the LAWD will forgive him for it after he's done.
And A LOT of women get caught-up in such tulmult.
I, like you, believe that Tyson is at his core a good man. Or at least desires to be one.
But it's DIFFICULT to convert a full breed rotweiler into Lassie. |
Kola
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Nodding in agreement.
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Kola
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I hope people don't misunderstand what I've been saying on this thread....and again, I love Mike Tyson (1) Because he helped my son and asked nothing in return and (2) because I feel sorry for him--because as much as he may have victimized others, I see him, too, as a victim. There are few black men that I wish to coddle and protect, but he is one of them. And of course, I'm prejudiced because I know how sad and sweet he is.
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Kola
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As much as I viciously attack black men as an artist, ABM....I truly want to love them and heal them and protect them. I feel very connected to their pain and the main insanity that people sense in me is that I am filled with so much love. I haven't anywhere to put it all. And people misdiagnose my eccentricity. I TRULY, truly love people...and especially MY people so deeply. I become like putty when someone reaches out to me and divulges they are weak and need to find safe harbor. Even those I proclaim to HATE....you'll find that I love them so thoroughly.
When they're down and out.
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Abm
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Kola,
You feelings appear entirely reasonable.
And, actually, there are A LOT of people who feel about Tyson as you do.
THAT's why he received (and continues to receive) the benefit of the doubt concerning Desiree Washington.
THAT's why he's still roundly welcomed/cheered in many areas of the country.
And THAT's why he's fights still sell.
If Tyson were viewed as just another punched-out, ear-chompin' bad guy, he'd be fighting in the South Bronx every Friday nite for $200 a bout. |
Abm
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Kola,
All you can do is be what you are. And you hope those who matter will hang around long enough to be able to understand, tolerate and love you. |
Kola
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Let's just pray that he doesn't get brain damaged or messed up.
Because I believe you're right, ABM. He shouldn't be in the ring at this stage of the game.
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Abm
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Kola,
I told you it was time for him to hang up the gloves. Hopefully THIS will convince him that it's time to move on.
“Updated: 11:38 PM EDT
Tyson Refuses to Answer Bell in Shocking Defeat
Loss to McBride Might Mean End of Boxer's Comeback Attempts
By TIM DAHLBERG, AP Sports
Reuters
Mike Tyson says he is unlikely to fight again after a sixth-round TKO against Kevin McBride.
WASHINGTON (June 11) - Mike Tyson's career apparently ended in a shocker Saturday night when he quit on the stool after taking a beating in a foul-filled sixth round against unheralded Kevin McBride.
Tyson lost for the third time in his last four fights, and once again he faded badly as the rounds went on before head butting McBride in a desperate attempt to end the fight in the sixth round...
...In a career filled with tremendous highs and terrible lows, Tyson may have reached a new low in the loss to McBride, who came into the fight with no credentials.
I don't have the stomach for this anymore," Tyson said. "I most likely won't fight anymore. I'm not going to disrespect the sport by losing to this caliber of fighters..."
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/sports/article.adp?id=20050610155109990015
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Kola
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My heart is just broken for Mike.
And you're totally right, ABM. But I also relate to Mike's desperation. I've never known anyone to be as down and out as he is right now.
Please pray for him.
He deserves another chance with life.
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Abm
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Kola,
I'll pray for Mike, as I do for us all. I think, however, THIS may have been the best thing to happen to him.
Maybe his getting his @$$ whipped by a no-name figher will disabuse him of any pretense that is what he once were. Maybe NOW he really can/will begin to make his way in the world via his wits and not his fists. |
Kola
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My great fear, ABM...is that he doesn't have any wits.
And that those who would try to sincerely help him....he wouldn't trust at this point.
He has been GREATLY exploited and victimized and has a brain like a bell.
My heart breaks thinking about his situation.
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Abm
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Kola,
Then let us pray you are wrong. Because if what you fear is true, what hope can there be for him? |
Chrishayden
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I think this tragedy is just beginning-- |
Abm
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Chris,
I fear you may be right. Because it doesn't take Shakespeare to tricked-up a tragedy like the one this has the earmarks of becoming. |
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