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Medusa
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Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:42 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola,

What is your opinion on those who say that homosexuality is unAfrican? Now I support my gay brothers and sisters,however I feel that the lifesytle is western(and a trashy one at that!)I know you know that the lifestyle is very eurocentric. My best friend is Dominican,and he constantly feels out of place when he is with his "Chelsea boys". I told him he does not need to fit in with them because he has his own culture that he needs to be proud of and embrace more.Is it that in Africa,at least in the traditional settings,when gays were accepted they were apart of the community rather than outside and subaltern? I just feel that African and diasporan gays should strive to Africanize their lifestyle.
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kola@aalbc.com
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Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 11:51 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Medusa.

I totally disagree with you about "homosexuality" being EUROCENTRIC and brought to Africa by whites.

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Ethiopian Lesbians

Why do people INSIST that Africa was some perfect paradise devoid of human behavior? Why do we always have to "MAGICAL Superhumans" with Christian or Muslim Values?

First of all....Africans are Human Beings, and we existed long before the White Race came into being (which is the final race that emerged 6,000 years ago---Sudan itself is 26,000 years by our count). Anything under the SUN....happened first in Africa to Africans.

"Goat-fucking" and "cow-fucking" were much-practiced in ancient Africa. Just read Nurudin Farah's book "SECRETS".

Here in the West, you have these "Afrocentrics" who don't really know Africa---they use their insecurity and their JUDEO CHRISTIAN upbringing in the "Christian Slave World" when discussing customs and life in the ancient "African world". On top of that...you have Africans in Africa who are now "Christian" or "Muslim"----and therefore, can no longer be TRUTHFUL about the history and lifestyles of African people before the White and Arab invasions.

Homosexuality....has ALWAYS been present in Africa, just as sunlight and water have. It's the height of STUPIDITY for these Ultra-Black Nationalists to keep saying that "homosexuality" is some abnormality produced by a WHITE gene.

Homosexuality is NOT abnormal. It is a normal part of the atmosphere, the landscape and is present in all living creatures----dolphins, lizards, lions, humans, doves---they ALL have gay members.

You also have to remember that you are asking a person who comes from the most "sensuous" area in Africa, the "NILOTIC" valley---Nilotic meaning Black People of the Nile River. These cultures, in ancient times, were the cultures of GODDESS WORSHIP, RAH and ISIS.

Homosexuality was an intricate part of the religious ceremonies of RA (the Sun Diety), ISIS and all Nilotic Religions and Societies.

In ancient Egypt---the male Priests of RA were sequestered once a year to engage in sex with each other and to Re-create "RA" (The Sun God) ejaculating the universe into being. Wealthy Egyptian men had "slave boys" 9, 10 and 12 whose faces were "painted like girls" and regularly "sodomized"---and very often, these men would be having a conversation with their wife and sodomize the slave boy at the same time, with the wife looking on and thinking nothing of it.

Egyptian Women took baths together and Queens like Nefertiti and Cleopatra had "slave girls". Queen Hatshepsut ruled Egypt dressed as a man and was a known lesbian. Ditto Queen Nok of Nubia.

In SUDAN's Nubian and Cushite societies---homosexuality was also an intricate part of the society. In Sudan, there were "homosexual" tribes in Cush and Nubia before the invasion of the White and Arab religions.

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I am not "lesbian"---yet, I have been accused of it--because I write positively about gay people and have very close friendships with gay women writers and activists....and I admittely refute these ignorant people in America claiming that Homosexuality was "brought to Africa" by outsiders.

Black American women praise Queen Nzingha. But do they realize that she went topless every day and slept with more than ONE THOUSAND men?

Do they realize that Nefertiti and Cleopatra and Tiye and Hatsepshut were...PAGANS? Not christians in the least.

What you think of as "unnatural behavior" is all part of Human Experience, starting from day ONE.

And DAY ONE starts in Africa.







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Medusa
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Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 12:50 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I did not say homosexuality was unafrican,I said the Lifestyle is. One can be gay and not be in the lifestyle which IS eurocentric. Of course I know homosexuality is a human phenomenon.
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kola@aalbc.com
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Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 02:59 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm confused, Medusa.

Is a Heterosexual lifestyle also Eurocentric?

When you talk about "lifestyle"---are you talking about the actual sex or the language they speak while they're gay or what?

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Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 03:20 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think he's speaking of the culture differences. He's trying to tell you that his friend is left out of the culture and not necessarily the homosexual lifestyle. Just like the heterosexual, I guess he's saying the Europian dating style is different from the African dating style; and the same goes for homosexuality. I could be wrong, but this might be what he's trying to tell you. He finds the European somewhat trashy... and the same would follow for heterosexuals. I disagree that any homosexual culture is trashy since they all suffer in some way out there; but IDK. Just my opinion.
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Medusa
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Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 10:32 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Anonymous, you got it. btw I'm a She not a He.
Yes too Kola I would say the same for heterosexuality and bisexuality. These are European distinctions and the lifestyles that were created to go with them.two people of the same sex loving each other is normal I do agree,but to characterize oneself as such in the same manner as deeming ones race or religion that is Eurocentric. The exploitation of sex as a description of who's "in" in the lifestyle is Eurocentric,the language also.
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Posted on Friday, March 18, 2005 - 03:12 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

These are the sort of issues that Toni Morrison claims in her novels; that black communities supported those folk deemed outsiders in euro-american culture....I don't know how accurate her characterizations is, however. In Paradise, of course, she is making the opposite position.
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Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 10:03 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Duh, the two Ethiopian girls pictured above are NOT lesbians. One has to understand that in Africa, it is not considered "gay" when two women do this, or when two men hold hands.

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