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Chris Hayden

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Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 07:13 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

At a Vatican Christmas concert the other day Lauryn Hill stunned the audience by denouncing the clergy for child abuse problems and made other statements the audience found offensive.

Was Lauryn just excercising her right to free speech? Was she sending the Church a much needed wake up call? Was she committing professional suicide?
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Troy

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Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 02:11 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sure, she was exercising free speech.

The Catholic Church already got it's wake up call.

Professional suicide -- heck no. I doubt if most people are aware of the story -- I was not. It does not sound like she lied and Lauyrn's core audience does not care what the Pope and his followers think of her.

Certainly the Vacitcan does not wield much influence in the popularity or a pop star. I'm sure they have their hands full trying to remain viable over the long term
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Chris Hayden

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Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 12:59 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Troy:

What you wanna bet that within a week or two she's at a tearful news conference saying she was "taken out of context" and that she's going away for a rest?
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Troy

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Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 10:46 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Chris: What I think of how Lauyrn's follwers feel and how she will react are two different things.

She does not need to apologize to me -- how about you?
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ABM

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Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 02:24 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In one sense, I have to appreciate a young wealthy/famous Black entertainer speaking out about ANYTHING other than her/his souped-up bank account and SUV. Still, considering the Catholic Church is already being fully (and excruciatingly) "outted" on the issue of sex abuse, I wonder why Miss Hill saw fit to lend her voice to a the now ubiquitous calls for reform.

Was Hill expressing her sincere/earnest opinions?

Does her being Black/female cause her to want to spite the mostly White/male Catholic Church?

Or was she simply trying to use an already high-profile issue to artificially inflate her (faux?) image as a social activist (and in turn, boost the sales of her next album)?
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Chris Hayden

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Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 10:45 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Troy:

I'm not a Catholic so I couldn't care less--but I know that ain't what her agent, manager, record company, and entourage are feelin'. Right now they are putting the full court press on her, you can bet and the only one in her corner is probably that "spiritual advisor" she has been closeting herself with, who will probably get a visit from Tony Soprano pretty soon with suggestions about where he might disappear to if he wants to stay healthy.

You saw what they did to Sinead O'Connor, and she's white and Catholic.

Actually, Troy I'm pleasantly surprised that you are defending a Black person some nihilistic, bridge burning, outlaw behavior. Keep it up, homes! It keeps your game interesting.

ABM--I think Sistagal has been through so much stress (just think--this is how crazy the MuzBiz runs a SUCCESSFUL entertainer) that she is feeling Messianic, hearing voices (I have no doubt that she heard them, but are they really there) and thinks she is some priestess or goddess or something.

They have medication that handles that--no doubt her faithful entourage is pouring it down her throat as we speak.
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Cynique

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Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 12:01 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

At this stage of the game, the shock value of what Lauren Hill had to say is nil. Fr. Andrew Greely, the synicated columnist who is a Jesuit priest pretty much says the same thing every chance he gets, and has had no repercussions. This is a subject that everyone weighs in on. Lauren Hill's hip-hop following doesn't care what the Pope thinks and her statement has already faded into oblivion.
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Beautifulwaterstar

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Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 06:57 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

But the funny part is it's not even a rare thing for Lauren. I think a lot of people think she just flipped out (you know she's been on "Liable To Flip Out At Any Given Moment" list for so many ppl who never really appreciated her work for the last couple of years anyway)and did something out of character, but Lauren has ALWAYS used her music to point out what she feels is wrong/unjust.

She has really "always" said these things, but many ppl either just bobbed their heads through her work/art, not even knowing, feeling what she was saying while others just never took the time to even listen in the first place. She just comes across these days with a passion that is so intense and people (especially after hearing that she has problems just like 'they' have problems) just don't know how to take her..

Go deh, Sista Lauren, stay suh.
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PassingThrough

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Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 12:09 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I suppose that sleeping with other people's spouses is not as bad as molesting young boys. Those who live in glass houses really should be careful about throwing stones.
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ABM

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Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 01:41 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That's a good point, PassingThrough. I do recall married ex-Fugees mate Wyclef Jean admitting that he and Hill had an extramarital affair.

I don't know. There has always been something inauthentic about about Hill to me. I don't know anything about her. But she reminds of a Manhattan BAP who's pretending to be from The Boogie Down.
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Chris Hayden

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Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 10:50 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM:

I am rather puzzled by the whole thing. Why accept an invitation to appear if you truly felt this way? Why not send a refusal with a statement as to why you were turning them down (she could have even made it part of a press release if she really wanted to make an issue of it). I know she is being accused of pulling a publicity stunt--maybe but I think she could have done the same thing without taking all this heat--still strikes me as a spur of the moment thing of somebody who is a little high strung and overwrought.
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Cynique

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Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 06:44 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, Chris, you can have the last laugh on this one. There was a blurb about Lauryn Hill's outburst at the Vatican in "People" magazine, and those Italians in the audience who understood English jeered her, while a priest who was present accused her of having bad manners.




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JMHO

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Posted on Sunday, December 21, 2003 - 01:16 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Chris, it was not a spur of the moment thing. It was reported she told them she was going to sing one song for the program yet sung something totally different. She planned it all. But, given her behavior and actions, over the last couple of years, who knows what's going on in her head.
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Always Lurking

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Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2003 - 02:53 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm cosigning with Passingthrough. L Boogie, seems like a fraud only because she is busy passing judgement on others when she should handle her own business. JMHO, if all that is true then it makes things even worse because she used the situation as a pub stunt.

Her supposedly Marley (sp) husband (the one she had all those kids with) was already married.

I think she's going throuhg somethings, which is alright. The problem is that she doesn't need to judge others.

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