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Troy
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, July 11, 2003 - 11:52 pm: | 
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One of my boys (a Brother), recently moved back to Harlem. He was walking down a Harlem street with his wife (white) and an woman approached him as said "So you had to get yourself a white one"
Pepole sho' are crazy.
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Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 01:06 pm: |
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Looks like Ol Kobe attacked him "a white one". What was he thinkin? Talk about "hush" money. His "victim" is really going to make out like a bandit. |
ABM
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 01:29 pm: |
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Troy,
Were you more surprise at your homie's marital choice or that a sister would publicly call him out on it, and did he and the woman who confronted him know each other?
What were YOUR first thoughts and words when you found out his wife was white?
Is it true there lots of white gentrification of and immigration into Harlem? If so, many (as is often scorned on this site) will fear that your pardnah's choice may soon become less the exception and more the rule. |
Kola
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 13, 2003 - 07:17 pm: |
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ABM:
if you turn out to be Adam Mansbach, author of Shackling Water
I will kill you.
I will swim away to a dark island
and
cry until
demons from the earth's core
rise up
and eat your
veins
for spaghetti.
YOU BETTER BLACK...nigga!
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Troy
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 04:12 pm: |
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ABM
The post was to express my surprise at the woman's audacity to say that to a complete stranger in public.
Honestly, I was surpised when I first met my friend's spouse, but I got over it in about 5 seconds. Of course the concern was more mine than his. I've said before on this board I was basically raised to be a racist and I often assume everyone else was as well. So I'm sometimes I'm surprised when I discover that someone is not; particularly in such a profound manner as in marriage.
Sure there is plenty of white AND Black gentrification in Harlem.
ABM, regarding interracial marriage or marriage in general: As I mentioned in another post -- there are no rules. Heck if men can marry men and women can marry women, why would anyone bat an eye at interacial couple -- thats old hat.
Kola
Personally I don't care if ABM is a blonde Chinese nymphomanic from Detroit. I'm more concerned about the words than the actual inidividual in this forum.
It's cool to be curious -- it natural. I remember the first time I met Thumper. I had so many preconcieved notions that were blown out of the water after I actually met him I had to take a step back (mentally) an restructure my thought patterns. The same thing happened when I met Zane.
There is no correlation between the way someone looks and the way someone thinks. Just because someone plays basketball well or can resight a script does not make them great people. Yet we encourage the virtual worshop of actors, athletes and other celebrities.
If it turned out Cynique was really a little old Jewish woman it would not change my impressions of her ideas one iota (truth be told I would actually be more impressed).
Kola I think your interchanges wih ABM wre very interesting and humorous. A couple of posts had me laughing at my desk the other day.
I've flirted with the idea of making everybody use an alias, that why peoples color, where they lived, what their sex is, etc, etc would be taken out of the equation.
Does anyone think NOT knowing a person's true identity make a difference here? Is know the "true" identity of a person expressing ideas here really that important?
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ABM
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 04:15 pm: |
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Kola,
I am (thankfully?) NOT the man of whom you speak. Though the part of your eating my "veins" was paradoxically gruesome and erotic. But remember: Italian red wines go great with "spaghetti".  |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 04:47 pm: |
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Oy Veh!, Troy! Because I'm such a yenta, I guess your remark about me being a little ol Jewish woman is understandable. The last time I checked, however, I was a semi-sista girl who loves to titillate men, - intellectually. |
Kola
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 05:36 pm: |
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As with so many of my posts--
my humor is TAKEN SERIOUSLY by folks.
The final line of my post was supposed to be a comical take-off of this thread and the ridiculous thing that the woman did to the people on the street.
But as usual...no one here thinks that I'm a normal person in any way. Or that I could have a sense of humor.
PLEASE read the "final" line of my post...to "get it".
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Kola
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 05:42 pm: |
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TROY--
to the contrary of what you said...MANY
of the people in interracial relationships are MORE racist than the people who aren't.
Many Black men in these relationships will not admitt that their partner HAD TO BE "other than black"...or they wouldn't be with them.
IN MY OWN LIFE...the Jewish Business I lived with for 5 years in Virginia was a racist--but he adored ME. Osama Bin Laden, another lover, was a racist--who sleeps with black girls--but disdains black humans. Another lover, Sudan's Vice President Hasan Al Turabi--a man with atleast 40% black blood but considers himself ALL ARab...would never be family with blacks, hates blacks...and yet I was his mistress as well.
Many White men make "propositions" to me all the time...but then you dine with them and listen to their political views, their historical views...they're "racist" who don't mind getting some Cocoa Ass. That's all.
MANY, MANY white women married to black men...worry horribly about "how black" their children will look. In my family, an Asian girl abandoned the baby she had with my brother--because "people staring at me on the street".
SO you should rethink you said...and realize that being interracially connected does not mean that the participants are not racist. MANY MANY self-hating blacks sit around with their white mates and put down black folks all day long.
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Chris Hayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 01:59 pm: |
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Troy:
I don't think knowing a poster's true identity makes any difference. After all, even if we are using a "real" name, it does not mean that we are that person. We could be someone else using his or her identity. We could all be highly developed computer programs, or several lobes on the brain of a gestalt creature, conversing with itself--
I am mostly interested in the views of the posters--I admit, though, it does add a little spice sometimes knowing who the poster really is. |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2003 - 02:21 pm: |
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Troy:
I don't think it has to make a difference in knowing a person's identity if you interested mainly in their ideas...sometimes, it is useful, however, to learn know a little about a person, since people's personal histories are often embedded in their views. Contradistinctively, assuming that one's personal history tells us much about their perspective leads to categorizing people's experiences by their ethncity, race, sexual preference, etc....so that a woman should believe this, and a "real" black person believes this.....such categorization assumes racial or sexual, etc....homogeniety....and it prohibits a person from having a full(if possible)HUMAN experience.
I guess u can't win or lose...lol! |
Chris Hayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 10:49 am: |
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All:
Anybody for sounding off on the Kobe Bryant situation in the light of this discussion? |
ABM
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 12:52 pm: |
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Chris,
My primary message to Kobe is the same as that of the Matrix's Morpheus to Neo: "Welcome...to the REAL world." |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 01:30 pm: |
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Morpheus also said(Matrix II):
"I have dreamt a dream and now the dream is gone!"
or something like that....the meaning is wonderful....existenial awakening!? |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 01:33 pm: |
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Kobe has always existed in a rarified atmosphere, never seeming to believe that the regular rules applied to him. I've never been a fan of his but although she is apparently the victim here, I cannot bring myself to side with a perky little ex-cheerleader when she and her nubile white body voluntarily go to the room of an NBA player. What did she think he wanted? To discuss the Laker's latest acquisition of Karl Malone? "How the mighty have fallen!" First Michael Jordan, then Sammy Sosa, and now Kobe. I can only hope that George W. Bush will be next! |
ABM
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 03:42 pm: |
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It is instructive to note how so many of the news reports concerning Kobe center on him previously having an unblemished image (especially when contrasted with that of the allegedly gang-affiliated NBA'er Allen Iverson) and the likely degrading of his heretofore sterling aura will cost him millions in endorsement dollars. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 04:04 pm: |
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To corporate America, Kobe was nothing more than a "cash cow" - or should we say bull. |
ABM
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2003 - 04:50 pm: |
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Maybe so, Cynique. But unless this thing takes a 180 degree turn REAL soon, for Kobe it will be good bye to the warm embrace of Madison Avenue and hello to wintry exile in OJ Land. |
Thumper
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 12:23 am: |
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Hello All,
What's that saying about those who don't learn from history is doom to repeat it. Frankly, I ain't got no sympathy for Kobe. He should've known how to protect himself. Besides the fact that his wife is STUNNING. But, like my little brother tells me, sometimes I get in the mood for something strange. But, what this Kobe thing did do was cause me to ponder, is it me, or does it seem that only black athletes get in trouble with the law for sexual assaults and stuff?
On the subject of the interracial relationships, I'm with Kola. Just because you see a white woman with a black man and vise versa does NOT mean that the participants ain't racist. Matter of fact, I'll bet even money that they are. I know this one couple where the white wife followed the advice of her white female friend who had biracial children...get this and try to keep your mouth close...that if you put hair grease in a biracial child's hair that it would make their hair nappy! Or, how about the one where a the white wife's mother told the white wife not to put braids in her daughters's hair because then the girls would look like pickaninnies! Now what does the black husband say to all this? Not a damn thing. So like the Doobie Brothers said in the first place, what a fool believes, he sees. Troy, the woman who approached your friend in friend and public and said what she said, surely to goodness your friend wasn't surprise, was he? *eyebrow raised* What planet was he living on before that isolated him from the fact that there are a good number of black women that ain't appreciating the black man-white woman thang? I ain't saying that a person can't love who they love. I am saying that they should be fully aware of the world in which they live. |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 09:00 am: |
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To All:
Most people have racist views, so it is as likely that inter-racial couples will be racist. As the examples that Thumper provides illustrates, love and racism do mix. In addition, some people, white folk especially, love to universalize us, so that we are not black we are just "people," as if they are just people, colorless,(ask a white person to define themselves and the will never say that they are white) etc...lol! This is also racist, because the assumption is that whiteness(a non-racialized, colorless person) is "normal" and "safe," but if we are black people we're dangerous, problematic, and angry! |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, July 20, 2003 - 01:52 pm: |
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Marriage doesn't necessarily change people and, presumably, couples enter matrimony hoping that love will transcend their differences and that through compromise and tolerance they will remain together.After all, Democrates marry Republicans, Catholics marry Jews, Baptists marry Methodists, Italians marry Irish people, so race isn't the only area where spouses have to make adjustments.
Yes, Thumper, it does appear that black athletes get in more hot water than white ones. But then in the NBA and NFL, blacks dominate the sport. Also, white players are less likely to come directly from the playground to the arena, or from the street to the field. And then, too, white athletes aren't as as bedazzled by white women as black ones apparently are. LOL |
ABM
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 02:27 pm: |
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Okay, yawl. Let's be fair to the brothahs.
Black athletes don't get into more trouble than do whites. They just get more attention for what they do. I recall over 10 years ago reading about how such a whore white Major Leaguer Wade Boggs was that he had several women in every ML town. And it was only after one of his (many) scorned lover revealed how much of a philander Boggs were that people stopped thinking that he was this fine, upstanding (white) husband/father. Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle etc. were notorious philanders and drunkards. So whorish are many of the majority White players in Major League baseball, that it is a common refrain among managers of ML teams to often implore the players to pretend that they were horny when they returned to their wives after extended road trips away from home. And even the Great Larry Bird, arguably the greatest white NBA player ever, fathered a daughter out-of-wedlock over 20 years ago and, to my knowledge, still has not met with, supported or even acknowledge he was the daughters father although the girl (sadly for her) is the spitting image of him.
White jocks do just as much dirt as the brothers.
I agree that Black athletes often lack the means to more effectively handle white hoochies than do their white peers. Although, I think white girls know that the brothahs will catch much more hell than white dudes will once the details of their clandestine activities come to the fore. Also, I think white guys are less flamboyant than brothers, more on the down low with the dirt that they do. For instance, a white guy in Kobe's position is more likely to hire a hooker from an outfit that he could trust. However, black athletes, many of whom have serious "god complexes” think that because of their wealth, fame, bling-bling, wondrous bodies and capabilities, and alleged penile prowess, that any woman, especially white ones would LUV to partake of their Black "godliness".
I am delicately straddling the fence on whether or not Kobe did the dastardly deed. My wife however believes he did it. My wife said that because (she heard) the girl was with Kobe for only 1/2 hour, that suggests that 1 of only 2 things could have happened: She was either a skeezer who was hell-bent on bedding Kobe or Kobe raped her. And because courts now are less accepting of allowing defendant to introduce info about victim's prior sexual activity into court, even though she could be a champion hoe from the head down to the flo, that may never come out in court. But my wife has worked extensively to help recovering rape victims. So, although I trust her knowledge of what constitutes rapist and how to identify a rapist, I have to temper that with her possible biases against those accused of rape.
To state the obvious: Kobe is in HUGE trouble!
Because, it is entirely possible that Kobe is completely innocent of everything save adultery and yet it is equally likely that there is adequate credible evidence for jury of reasonable jurors to convict him. Maybe she hit him first, he grabbed her, she pulled away and she violently fell against/through a table, which would provide injury/scarring that persuasive support he intentionally injured her in rejection of his advances. And although she may have even agreed to sex, maybe her "personal area", due to lack of experience or lack of "preparation" or maybe Kobe's hung like a mule, was traumatized, again, more support for rape.
Honestly, the more I think about this, if they don't get this trial out of the alleged victim’s hometown, and there is ANY apparent evidence of struggle and/or forcible penetration, I will be shocked if Kobe is acquitted. |
Kola
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 03:06 pm: |
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Being the kind of resort it is--maybe there's videotape.
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Thumper
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, July 21, 2003 - 04:01 pm: |
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Hello All,
Kola, I hope there is a videotape. I'm not saying for these athletes to be freaks or anything but it may not be a bad idea if these athletes did tape their encounters just to prevent this type of thing from happening.
ABM: Yes, Kobe is in trouble. The kind of trouble where, if he is innocent, he will HAVE to go to court and try it in the case of public opinion. If he tried to settle this out of court, he'll look guiltier than sin, remember Michael Jackson and the child abuse charge. Now, that information about the alledge victim is coming forth, the innocent-holier-than-thou act her friends tried to get going is becoming seriously jaded now.
Second; Kobe's wife need to make sure that there are no more babies by her husband. Because it's obvious now that baby boy don't know what a condom is or what to do with 'em. Stupid, all the actors in this play is straight up stupid! |
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