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Snake Girl

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Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 12:05 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi everyone,

I've been visited the past weekend by Baroness Caroline Cox of Germany and by Prince Allistad of Romania--insanely rich white people who really don't understand real life--but at least want to.

They were shocked and impressed that I can speak "some" German.

I realize that many people here don't "give a quarter"....but for those who are interested...I am posting a link that the Baroness allowed to be created by some Professors around the world that I think you will find interesting and informative.

Again, you may skip the Baroness's selection of one of my poems to open her presentation...I am not pushing Kola here...

but for some people who have wondered why I think as I do about race...this will be enlightening...

http://www.blue-nile.org/

tima usrah, my family



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Snake Girl

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Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 12:08 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Professor Eric Reeves at Smith College...a very special thanks to you for your hard word and kindness.

May your tongue always have honey.

"Naima"

tima usrah

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ABM

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Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 12:21 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola, your poem is quite beautiful. It is visually compelling and haunting. It appears harkens to a time/place that has sadly faded from realm into dream.

Thanks for the link.

Has the current US presidential administration adequately helped to liberate Black Sudanese? Am I right that, according to the link, the US Attorney General Ashcroft is actually trying to blunt attempts to help hapless Sudanese civilians.

Kola, are you often visited by European royalty? (Did you bow or curtsy before them?) What do you REALLY think of them (& they of you)?

And when/how did you learn to "spreken zie deutsch"?


Kola, I am beginning to better appreciate the passion by which you assert your views/feelings about protecting/preserving Black Africa and its Diaspora. But I feel as though I have so far to travel to self-discovery with the little I can now know and do. So I understand that my teacher must be true and firm. Still, can she also be warm and kind?
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Snake Girl

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Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 12:44 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi ABM,

You are correct about Ashcroft. Also, other than Colin Powell...the U.S. government is really not interested in a virtual sea of "blue black" people being enslaved and abused by more attractive Arab and brown people. In fact, many of these oppressive, racist Arabs (the "colored" group) look a lot like Kola Boof.

President Bush gave Sudan a $300 million "Sudan Peace Act" fund this year--which is really hush money for the leaders of the two sides to go away, have some peace talks and not complain about the holocaust taking place in Sudan.

The problem, ABM, remains...that the people being killed, enslaved and hated on...are a color and "look" that few with power can relate to. Even black Americans who visit Sudan are more apt to relate to the white and brown northerners...than to these ABSOLUTE black people with ancient facial features and an average height of 7 feet in males, 6'3 in females.

As for European royalty...no--I don't know those people. They only visited me because I am getting a lot of press in Europe right now--for instance, I will be on the cover of a national German women's magazine in two weeks and I told you about the t.v. interview in Holland. I am a big "film starlet" in Belgium and the Swedish newspaper Aftonbledet has recently called me--"The Eva Peron of Sudan". So now the royals want to find out about my "accusations" against Sudan.

I am also cheered by Africans in Europe as I advance the notion that black people are not inferior to other races...and therefore should exist as themselves and should unite for the sake of black children...our children deserving two strong and competent parents who are "Producers" in the world economy rather than "Consumers".

I liked the Baroness and the Prince a lot. They live totally in a world of sheltered sky...but their hearts are good and sincere. The Baroness told me that she hadn't expected me to be so "tall" or so "domestic". The Prince kept claiming that I was "far more beautiful in person"--which trust me, is just him being kind. I am a mother/pregnant lady/housewife...people have gotten to the point where they call any ethnic woman from Africa--"Beautiful". Just because they realize how disallowed that type of beauty is in White Pop Culture.

I learned German from my Black American adoptive father--a military man.

ABM..I'm glad you enjoyed the poem. I wrote that in 1997. It is one of the poems that caused my ex-boyfriend Osama Bin Laden to call me and say, "If I had the time, I would come and slit your throat myself."

Slowly but surely, ABM...the American resistence to my work and their jealousy of a truly cosmopolitan black African woman--a woman who represents the Nile river culture and LOOKS black--is coming to a close. The Whites and the Negro Snobs will not be able to stop me from establishing myself in the U.S.

I will conquer this place in time, my love.

Your sweet friend who adores you--no matter what happens.

Kola

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ABM

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Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 12:57 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola,
Do you find it ironic that the scions of the European aristocracy would now offer sympathy and compassion for Africa when so much of what now travails Africa was initiated by those baring the lofty standards of their sires?

And have or would you ask Baroness Caroline Cox Prince Allistad whether/how they reconcile their current favored standing/affluence with the bloody tumult wrought by their ancestors?
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Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 12:58 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM...here is the Swedish newspaper--the front page story, as you see, is detailing Kola's life.

So this is why the Europeans are interested to know me now.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,249310,00.html


ALSO...the Baroness and Prince offered me money, but I did not accept it. This, you see, is their way of getting political favors down the line.

It's the same with Bush adminst. I will not support his re-election. I am for Carol Mosley Braun for President. So this irks the government after all they do to protect me. But I am not for sale.


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ABM

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Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 - 04:24 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola, why are you so faithfully protected by the US? Is it because your would-be assassins are Muslim and your former lover Bin laden arguably the most feared man alive (or dead?)?

I agree with you that the part of the problem confronting Black Africans is that there are none who are in true positions of power who look, think and believe as they do. But although I agree with and understand much of what you say and why, I struggle with how to bring our people together when time/space has so deeply severed us. And I agree the key to the future lies within the warmly moisten womb of Mother Africa. Yet, I wonder where do people like myself, a fully formed, self-deluded and "integrated" great grandson of an America slave, fit within your continuum of the resolution of Africa.

I envy you Kola. Because it seems for you so clean/clear what must be done. Sometimes, I wish that I could hear your voice, touch you hand so that I might at least hear/feel a tremor of what it must be like to be a fully liberated Black person, who of a heart and faith beyond what the boundaries of European ways, rape and bloodshed have ruefully wrought.

Recently, a Ghanaian woman/daughter often visited my family and me. The woman and my wife have a business relationship. During our times together, I catch myself leering at these 2 beautifully blacken females (I know they think I am a pervert...which, of course I am, but that is not the reason why I stare.), marveling at the creamy darken perfection of their skin, enjoying and the lyrical timber of their Afro-English dialect and jealously wondering might I have ever been as whole as they appear to be.
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Snake Girl

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Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 02:50 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey ABM...

You shouldn't envy me. I belong to you. I am your flesh and blood.

Many black leaders of the past in America have so rightly stated..."Unless we're all free--none of us are free."

Many black Americans/African-Americans have "money" and material possessions now. They can sleep with their White Gods now and make "white babies" who symbolize their reality of being lost and divided. Their "castration" that black men whine about.

They don't care about the rest of us who remain in a state of limbo, attempting to restore the dignity and human right to existence that belongs to Africans just as it does any other group.

You spoke of seeing two African women and reveling in their "wholeness"...this is exactly what WHITES experience when they see their white faces smiling back at them. This is what they protect with their 1 drop rule--their wholeness.

As they say in Egypt--"The white man is the only man on earth who never dies. Every season...his son is reborn; his seed continues."

No matter how difficult this is for you to understand...it hurts me to the inward floors of my heart...to come to America as an African woman...knowing full well what West Africans look like...only to find that the majority of African Americans are desperately trying to resemble the men who hung them from trees...and not their own ancestors.

It is that simple. They want to emulate their slave master...not the slave who survived.

SO as the descendent of slaves yourself...you can be exactly like me, your sister, by simply always choosing the honor, glory and Moral Superiority of your slave ancestor's image over that of the one who forced your people to come here in chains.

That will give you integrity and it will be a badge that the whole world respects.

I for one...greatly admire and respect your slave ancestors. They were superhuman people to endure 400 years and COME OUT ALIVE. They were far stronger people than the Indians, you understand, who had their freedom and yet perished.

Be aware, ABM...these European royals who came to see me....they RESPECT Kola Boof. They bowed...to ME.

White people truly fear the people they cannot purchase or compromise. They will kill me for it.

But as you know, I am a woman--I have two mouths to speak with. I have 3 sons. Two of whom are born. I have taught them to make generations.

I need not live to "always be".

I ask you, ABM. Once you are dead--WHO will carry your bones?

This is what a wise man asks himself. In your every decision...think of 100 years from now; the long run.

Never think in the short term. Never choose what you see on t.v. and definitely never put your ancestors and their horrible past UP FOR SALE.

You are not IMMIGRANTS. And never will be.

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Snake Girl

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Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 03:02 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM...you are American now. You can never return to Africa.

But just as Europeans have fully and completely brought Europe with them and created a Europe away from Europe...You, too, need not sever your ambilical cord to your motherland. You can be a Black Man wherever you go...forever.

ONLY THAT...will give your ancestors the victory they deserve--to see that you survived as yourself.

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ABM

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Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 01:36 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola,
I admit until not too long ago I had gladly turned away from much of what befalls my darker, often less fortunate brothahs/sistahs. Can they not say/think/do what is right & what works, casually dared I. For, I was from whence they too had been birth/bred. Why can't they too rise above failure, squalor? I had been made to deftly accustomed and trained to proact and react mentally to things as they appear before me. And so bound and fortified by those proscriptions of what well-meaning others made for me that there had hardly seemed time or cause to look back and peer beyond. For I blindly thought I was now free, even "The Man" I too can be, even indulging how, when and with whom I can.

But alas, all of what and whom I did availed my heart and spirit not. Rather, where I was at least half done I was now empty, spent. But gradually, information turned to knowledge and then to wisdom. And I learned to more clearly see/feel no matter where I go, what I do, to my blood I would ever be inextricably entwined. So Kola, continue to speak bare and bold of what we must preserve. For we will all learn, though some more slowly than others that we all are meant to be of one love.

You say you admire our slave ancestors of that of the virtually extinct Native American. But the departed Indian might, however, proudly assert that the slave (then we, her children) survived solely because she meekly capitulated to the way, will and whip of the pale master. What say you of that?

I am not sure if you are being literal or figurative here. But, I suppose my children and their children will proudly hoist my skull-n-bones. Honestly, and perhaps unfortunately, I have hardly thought of to whom/what that grim task befits. (Though, I admit to fantasizing about having my remains immolated aboard a small sailboat that has been cast out to sea under a setting sun while having Richard Wagner's Siegfried Funeral March blaring in the background. I am sure I saw that in a movie somewhere.).

Kola, do you think European aristocracy see in and hear from you that which they paradoxically have long dread and yearned to behold: An awaken Black African?

I agree with what you say about not being able to "return to Africa". I guess I think & speak of reconnecting with Africa as less about going to a place and more of rediscovering my inner self. I know of what to do. I am learning to embrace what is within and about me of my native kind. For I know that I be Africa deep-n-wide. And of that I will no longer hide, 'til my sight and breath subside.


Kola. My Mother of Free Blood. Thank you for your bravery, your bold generosity. May you, my sister - our tall, busty and beautiful guide- continue to shower us all in love-drenched words, even if and when we know not enuff to listen. And will you please in health and comfort endure, thrive and multiply, so that we all of African hues - beige, brown, black and blue - might yet someday come alive?



PS: Of the African women I have spoke, I have an involuntary fantasy, something more sensual than sexual (though it surely must at least in part be that). In delightful embarrassment, I can't help wondering that if I run a finger over their chocolatey faces then sniff and lick my digit, will they smell and taste like home.
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Chris Hayden

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Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 01:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola and ABM:

I feel like I'm windowpeeping or something--but keep it up! This sounds like this could be worked into something publishable

Mercenary Me--
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Snake Girl

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Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 05:25 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM...

I can no more return to Africa than you can.

Because of the chronic SEXISM of the African man--I would be a pariah in any African culture. I am a womanist...this is the gift that America has given me.

As for the following statement you made:

"I am not sure if you are being literal or figurative here. But, I suppose my children and their children will proudly hoist my skull-n-bones."

MY ANSWER TO YOU:

The black Americans...HAVE NOT picked up the bones of their slave ancestors and carried them.

What they have done is denied them, deformed them and been MOSTLY ashamed of them.

ABM...if you have a nephew who says today--"I ain't no African". Then how many generations will it be before his great grandson says--"I ain't no black man". And when this occurs...will your bones be carried or denied? Out of shame.

As proof I offer you two comments that West African people have made to me on this subject.

1) Black Americans will be interested and solicitous of Ethiopian women on the street. But if they see a group of women from Ghana..."those thick features--THAT color"...their own flesh and blood...they are often bigoted and prejudiced against these women. OPENLY prejudiced. Films by black Americans that are shipped to West Africa for viewing....NEVER EVER star a female who looks anything like their West African mother.

This is taken very personal by many West African women. This is a message to them from their lost children in America. A message expressing your hatred for your real mother and your belief that she is inferior.

Not only that...your hatred of her is now being FED by black American media to African children. They, too, are being "visually shown" that to be successful and rich...you have to be lightskinned like the black Americans...you have to be MORE like the white colonists.

It is a very strong message and now suddenly...you see black women in Accra and Dakkar with chocolate skin...and BLOND wigs, fake green eyes. They buy "bleaching cream" by the cases. Many will lie and tell you--"I have an aunt who's black American and she's half white and pretty like Halle Berry."

This is actually happening.

African men curse black women and their skin with--"nu tu annon!"--which means..."the curse that makes us all black."

So that an authentic black woman is now "a curse"/a "defect" that makes people black...and inferior and poor and nothing at all.

That's the message from Black American media to African youth.

European and American images of white superiority back it up.

2) If the real actual ancestors of most black Americans were to appear on our doorsteps today...with their color intact, their nappy hair woolier than we could imagine and their features as broad and thick as Senegalese clay....THEY WOULD NOT BE WELCOME for too long in the homes of modern AA people.

These are the tell tale signs that your ancestors bones have not been picked up and carried.

Notice how the White American today--looks almost exactly like the White European who came here 400 years ago. When they go back to Europe for vacations...they are HOME. Same for the Mexican--he can go home whenever he feels like it.

But what about you? Where can you go?

The Indian and the White blood is the treasured thing by AAs. The thing that gets mentioned. For as little as it is....AAs covet it and call themselves Ethiopians and Egyptians (the vast majority travel those 2 most colorist of nations whenever they do take a trip to Africa). Cloak themselves in "good hair" and such thoughts as...."You don't want to bring them black ugly genes in the family do ya?"

So many of the "black wives and black mothers" in America...are not even Black. They use that title...but then they denigrate everything black--mainly because when they look at real black people, they've been taught that their light skin is an improvement--I thought it was very telling in Sista Soulja's novel "Coldest Winter Ever" when the girl Winter daydreamed of having Midnight's babies....the little boy came out dark and chocolate...but the daughter came out yellow with "long good hair".

Do you understand that fantasy? And what it really means? Do you realize what Winter's innocent "American t.v. dream" says about all black people?

Do you see how easy it is to "systematically" annihilate an entire race of people?

In North Africa...we watched the Moors and the Egyptians be "wiped out" this way. They no longer exist. They--like the American Indian--are "the lowest stock". Extinct.

Of course, it's not their fault. Their Slave Master taught them this. They were programmed for hundreds of years...to hate themselves and to be "niggers" (non-owners of self, totally perpetuating and helping the White master build a Strong Nation for his White children).

Let's get off the subject, ABM. It is very depressing to me, because what is so clear and vivid to me...sends the average black American into a SEETHING denial...a frenetic rage against anyone who tries to rain on their parade.

No matter how I tell them the truth...they can't see how much I love them.

They think it's fun for me...bringing up horrible issues such as these.

They NEVER see how much I love them.




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Snake Girl

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Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2003 - 06:45 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM...of course you should want to screw us. We're your women, daddy.

noti pappuh zot eyoun dacra seh

(my ass fits my husband's big hand--for nature's enchantment)

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Cynique

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Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 12:29 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Egad, get out the violins or should I say the jungle drums, so that African-American blood can throb in rhythm with the percussion of the murky past. Meanwhile, I'll check out a little Miles, or maybe some Charlie Parker and after that some good ol Motown favorites followed by a dollop of Prince. Screw Africa. It has no future and offers its disapora no solutions for the present. Black babies will have to save themselves. And the way they'll do this is to embrace reality and disentangle themselves from the jungle of false prophets and imagined destinies. The future belongs to those who can negotiate it, not to those who are mired in a world distorted by myopic visionaries. Reality rules, not pretenders to the throne.
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Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 01:05 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynique:
Damn that was hateful!
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ABM

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Cynique, as always, your...uh..."cynical" perspective is valued. Though to it I mostly say: "To each his [and her] own."

I prefer Louis Armstrong and John Coltrane to Miles & Parker. And though lesser known & appreciated, your native Chicago-based Chess/Cadet Records was far-and-away superior to the often trite, formulaic Motown Sound (save for Marvin Gaye & Stevie Wonder). There's no Rock Music - no Beatles, Rolling Stones, Eric Clapton and Led Zeppelin - without Chess' Muddy Waters and Howling Wolf. Prince is a singular musical genius. However, the last single of his that I truly enjoyed was a song on his 1986 Parade album (featuring the hit "Kiss") titled Anotherloverholenyohead: "...You need another lover like you need a hole in yo head (baby, baby)...You know there ain't no other that can do the duty in your bed...Solo, Solo..." Oui, Cheri Cynique?
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Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 02:33 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Don't take Cynique comments personal, My Dear Yukio. Rather, think of her as you would the proverbial "fly in the ointment", "the rain on the parade" and the "knot in your undies". Simply root that little bug outta your Vicks, flip up your umbrella and, while no one notices, delicately pull your panties free.
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Snake Girl

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Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 02:57 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM...

I am actually named after a John Coltrane song (as so many Sudanese and Egyptian girls are)..."Naima". Coltrane and Miles Davis, of course, are much bigger stars in Africa than they are in the U.S.

As for Motown...I absolutely love Martha Reeves and the Vandellas...and much of Motown's very best singles EVER

were recorded by Diana Ross and the Supremes. "You Keep Me Hang'n On" and "Reflections" are as poetic and important as anything Stevie Wonder or the Beatles put out at that time. "Someday We'll Be Together" is pure magic. And Ross was truly an underrated vocalist...she really used her voice as an actress. Sexy, intelligent, scheming, sincere, passionate. She and Dionne Warwick both remain incredibly underrated performers of the 1960's.

Like MYSELF...Ross suffers from a "public persona" that often drowns out her actual work. Her STAR is too big.

Somehow...I listen to Martha and the Vandella songs MORE. I especially love the songs "I'll Have to Let Him Go", "In My Lonely Room" and "Love Makes Me Do Foolish Things".

OH...and "Jimmy Mack"!

a feeling so divine
til
I leave the past
behind

Whenever you're near..
I hear a Symphony

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Cynique

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Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 11:05 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And while you're following ABM's instructions, Yukio, for a good laugh just think of him as being synonymous with the tracks in his shorts.(What a visual I'm getting on that. LOL) And as perceptive as you usually are, I'm surprised that you would mistake "impatience" for "hate."
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Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 11:27 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynique:

Oh, come on now, Cynique. We are after all from Africa. I am around folks everyday who call themselves Irishmen and they ain't never seen the place. They are from there and proud of it.

It don't hurt for us to do the same.
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ABM

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Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 11:29 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh come on, Cynique. Surely you can do better than that. Here. Let me help you outta bit.

Cynique: And while you're following ABM's instructions, Yukio, for a good laugh just think of him as being synonymous with the tracks in his shorts...
ABM: ...after he's downed a heaping serving of Texas chili. (HAHAHA!!!)

Touché, Cheri Cynique. Touché.
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ABM

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Good point, Chris.

I have a good friend who's great-grandparents immigrated from Scotland. He often proudly wax on and on about Scottish blood/ways/lore when he and I both know that he wouldn't know a true "highlander" if one cracked him over his dome with a set of bagpipes.
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Every time I wash my hair, I know I have African roots. Literally. And just because I disparage black Africa doesn't mean I love white America. I hate what this country has become and today when a complimentary flag was included with my morning newspaper, I burned it.
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ABM

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Cynique: Every time I wash my hair, I know I have African roots.
ABM: I have the same experience whenever I wash my...uh...well...you know. (And I do that everyday, thank you very much. :-))
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Thanks, ABM, for making a long story short. Heh-heh
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Cynique:

I also know how we can overdo it a little--a know a brother who done changed to his SECOND African name (first one was not black enough?) so I done started calling him Willie Williams. I remember we had an cultural exchange with some African students in college. All the Americans were wearing dashikis. All the Africans were wearing western style business suits. Folks are trying that's all to claim something we were taught to be ashamed of for so long (watch dat Flag Burnin', gal. John Ashcroft might be surfing the site!
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ABM

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Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 12:40 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ah Ha, Cheri Cynique. But indeed it in full be a tale that the width and depth of which you'd DEEPLY want to know and behold.
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Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 02:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynique:

I said "hateful," an adjective. also, the fact that u "disparage" "Black Africa" lends itself more to "hate" than "impatience."

Chris H:
Yes...The problem is that clothes are cosmetic!
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Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 04:22 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Mea culpa, Yukio.
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Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 04:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What’s that? A "mea culpa"? Can it be a rare expression of contrition from the adamant Cynique?
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Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2003 - 10:33 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Quien sabe, ABM, quien sabe.

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