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Snake Girl

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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 08:39 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just read this dastardly column by Conservative Black Republican LARRY ELDER...inwhich he is claiming that Jayson Blair is the PROOF of everything that's wrong with Affirmative action.

I really don't get the connection, though.

Quite a few WHITE reporters have done the same thing as Blair. The issue of Affirmative action did not come up.

Why is "race" being used against ALL black people just because one "individual" was a crab-hearted rotten liar?

I'm interested to see what Troy, Claxton, Yukio, Cynique and Chris will have to say about this.

Here's a link to the report, yall:

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32709

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Chris Hayden

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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 10:38 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Snake Girl:

Jayson Blair is not representative of anything or anybody but Jayson Blair. As I have probably stated before, white folks don't get all bent out of shape when the Ed Geins, the Jeffery Dahmers, the Timothy McVeighs among them are revealed and nobody says that they are indicative of what is wrong with white folks.

Larry Elder is in the "say what makes racist white folks feel good" business--when I see his name I hold my nose and cross to the other side of the street. I'm waiting for the day he, like Glenn Loury, Alan Keyes and others in that business, actually starts believing that them folks want to hear everything he says, steps out of line and gets his comeuppance.
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Thumper

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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 11:16 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hello All,

Against my better judgement, I read the Elders piece. *rolling my eyes* Give me peace!! I will give Elders his due though, it's not every black man that is willing to look a like an flaming idiot in public. Me personally, I would be too shame to let people know that I wasn't the brightest bulb in the chandelier. Obviously, Elders don't have that problem.

Now, while all this fuss is being made about Jayson Blair, answer me this, where was his editors, and fact checkers? Not saying that Blair should not have been fired, he should have been. But what about the others? Were his editors fired for letting Blair's mistake pass? And if the editor saw the mistakes, why didn't he correct them before allowing Blair's pieces to be published?

And while Elders is foaming at the mouth, if he is so against Afirmative action, why doesn't he tell his boy Clarence Thomas to get the hell out of the Surpreme Court, seeing as how Affirmative Action put Thomas there?
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Cobra Bint il Nile

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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 11:24 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There is an interesting article in this week's Newsweek on Jayson. He likes his women Polish. Draw your own conconclusions. (No jokes please!!)
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ABM

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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 11:41 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That's just same-mo, same-mo from shoot-his-brothah-in-the-back Larry. Larry is the kinda brother who would be knitting nooses for the Klan at a lynchin'.

This is the redundant boilerplate spiel that Elder keeps on standby whenever an issues involving race-employment-contracting come to the fore. I'll bet Larry has plagiarized his own (& others) material on the issue of affirmative action so much that this drivel appears instantly on his monitor the moment he begins keying into his computer.

Question 4 Elder (& his fellow reactionary/conservative drones): Does he also argue that all the lying/cheating/stealing that occurred at Enron/Arthur Andersen/World Com symbolize that all WHITE corporate officers and CPA's are dirty-rotten-scoundrels?
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Snake Girl Poisonous

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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 02:03 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thumper said:

And while Elders is foaming at the mouth, if he is so against Afirmative action, why doesn't he tell his boy Clarence Thomas to get the hell out of the Surpreme Court, seeing as how Affirmative Action put Thomas there?

I SAY:

Well there we have it. The Cake is baked. I couldn't have said it better.





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Cynique

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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 03:04 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, I'm taking my cue from all the Black Journalist oganizations who say that no matter what the extenuating circumstances were, Jayson Blair has done irreparable harm to their cause and to their profession. As for Larry Elders, we just can't silence people who think like he does. Clarence Thomas recently told a a group of students that all black people are not obligated to think alike. People like these 2 are thorns in the side of liberal Blacks, but all you can do is despise them.
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Troy

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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 05:38 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Blair is an fool. Blair, as Chris says represents himself (hey am I agreeing with Chris again...I fix that in a minute)

As far as Elder's column is concerned I've never read the man prior to reading this article. Obviously the hostility is based upon Elder's body of work, which I admit I'm not familiar with. Having said that; as far as THIS article is concerned here is the problem I have with it: First Elder quotes Colin Powell;

"The present debate over affirmative action has a lot to do with definitions. If affirmative action means programs that provide equal opportunity, then I am all for it. If it leads to preferential treatment or helps those who no longer need help, I am opposed."

I agree with Powells statement. Elder then proceeds to use Blair as an example of Affirmative Action gone wrong -- this is a tremendous and unsubstantiated leap.

There are an abundance of qualified Black writers who could write for the Times. The NY Times just messed up letting this guy run out of control for so long. The bigger question how many other Jason Blair's are there at the so called "paper of record". You know if Jason was getting away with it, you KNOW there are heap of white boys screwing up.

The issue is not affirmative action, but a clear indication of incompetence at the NY Times management. Again, if you think Jason is alone -- think again.

And Jason will probably sell quite a few books, as white people continue to lament over how much they do for us while Blacks contantly bite the hands that feed them. Can we prepare our own meal for a change?



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Thumper

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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 07:46 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hello All,

Troy: All ain't well in Oz as for as Jayson is concerned. I just finished reading the latest article on him on Yahoo. Here's the link: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030523/people_nm/media_blair _dc_4 .

The article indicates that Blair might have a little problem securing a book deal, especially for the advance he's asking for, $1 million. Besides being a liar and a cheat, he's dense as a log on top of it.

First, who's going to be his audience?

1.) white conservatives? Naw. They'll figure that since Blair made a living lying and stealing, they'll just steal his book and read it.

2.) black conservatives? Since black conservatives will move like their white compatriots, they'll steal Blair's book for the same reason. Blair ain't winning on that front.

3.) if he is dating a white woman and it gets out, there goes the black female reading audience.

4.) if he is dating a white woman, the brothas won't have a problem with buying his book, but then again, as its been pointed out implicitly and explicitly by the publishing industry, black men don't read nor buy books. So, Blair can't win there.

5.) White liberals won't buy it, or read it, out of righteous indignation and GP.

Second, although a white man can do lie, cheat, and steal even under oath and get a book deal (Oliver North comes to mind). But a black man? *eyebrow raised* Give me peace.

So, where is the audience for Blair's account of his firing at the New York times? He ain't got none. But, if the book is fiction, I would read it. I think. But, I've never read any of his articles either and they were fiction. Oh well, Jayson, you're still my dawg, dough. *big smile*
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Claxton

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Posted on Sunday, May 25, 2003 - 09:35 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Snake Girl, be very careful of what you ask for...You're about to get it.

I read about the Jayson Blair fiasco on CNN.com a week or so ago. At that point in time, I wanted to shoot him. My position has not or will not change on him, period. He should be considered a traitor and be treated as such--treason is the only offense I'd consider worthy of the death penalty, but that's another thread--not only to the ethics of journalism, but to every writer, regardless of his or her color, who puts the honest passion and effort it takes to hone one of the most noble crafts.

Jayson Blair betrayed the public trust, and did so in the employ of one of the world's best-known papers. Had this happened, say, at the San Jose Mercury News or the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, it probably wouldn't have merited much attention. But it was the New York Times, for God's sake!! Even in my writing daydreams, and as much as the idea of living in New York chilled me even then, I would've loved the shot at writing for the Times.

Now I agree with the fact that white men get away with this much more frequently than blacks or anyone else can. Frank Abagnale, Charles Colson and another white reporter, who lost his job with another major paper for the same kind of bullshit, come to mind immediately. But what Blair did is infinitely worse. He just made it that much harder for those black writers who give a damn about the craft and know what it takes to perfect it to get jobs anywhere. And those writers impacted by this should nail his sorry ass to the wall and take him for all the money he's got.

Side note: According to the CNN article, Jayson's editors on the local beat tried in vain to help him get his work in shape and to do whatever he needed to do to get his act together. One editor, in fact, wrote an e-mail to his boss, indicating the Blair needed to be pulled from the staff immediately. Instead, they put him on the national desk.

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