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Troy

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Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 03:45 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Some folks feel that Mfume's 5 baby mommas is not a problem, so long as he "takes care" of them.

I have a question:
Suppose Mfume had 10 baby mommas would you feel the same? How about 20, is that OK? Is there a threshold where the baby momma count would be too high for you to tolerate? If so, what is that threshold and why.

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ABM

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Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 04:56 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You must REALLY dislike Mfume. Don't you, Troy. Go on. Admit it. You hate his "babymaking" gutts.
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Chris Hayden

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Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 05:04 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I suppose this all depends on whether he was taking care of them or not--I suppose at some point the count would go so high that he couldn't and then I would have a problem with him. Another question is when does he have all these babies? If he got them way in the past, I think I could overlook it more easily.

The MOST important question, though, his whether he can discharge his duties. I suppose all that would severely limit his ability to lead in say a campaign to stamp out teen pregnancy. The man is not a pastor bishop or pope, he is heading up the NAACP.
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Ssssss

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Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 05:35 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There is no way he can be an adequate father to "multiple children" born to 5 baby mamas.

Even more hurtful is the well known fact that Kweisi is a womanizer and didn't marry even one of the women.

I do like Kweisi Mfume.

But I would seriously hold this against him if he was running for political office. He has the right politics, but sadly, he's still presenting the image of a WHOREMONGER...a HO...as a respectable image for BLACK MEN to hang on to. In American society, Black males are encouraged and egged on by the general society to be "Mr. Big Dong"...the BUCK who doesn't run anything, doesn't really own anything (not even himself) and makes a bunch of black babies....babies who he will later hate...and therefore create an unexplainable anger in the children.

And the black woman in America, so very often, is just plain desperate. She doesn't allow herself any options.

CHRIS....Mfume has made many speeches against teen pregnancy, single parent communities, etc. THAT is how this scandal first broke years ago on the Oprah show. I think two of his kids are still teens.

As I stated in another post...even if Mfume was still in Africa..he would be forced to marry all 5 mothers and purchase a big mansion where all his children could be properly raised as a "tulat" (a bloodberry). This would make the arrangement acceptable and respectable to the Clan. But this baby mama, no daddy at home b.s., no love for the mother

Shaking my head

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Susan

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Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 07:58 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM, I agree. :-)

And, I also think anyone who has more children that they can parent has gone past *their* threshold, and mines. Be it one child by one baby mama or 10 children by 10 baby mamas.

Would you be more apt to listen to someone who has gone down a road when they tell you not to or one who hasn't?

However, I did read the inside jacket cover of Mfume's autobiography (No Free Ride: From the mean streets to the mainstream) last night. It states, in part:

...Frizell (now Mfume) had fathered five children out of wedlock by the time he was twenty-two.


Susan

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Claxton

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Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2003 - 11:09 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A dog bites you once, shame on that dog. That dog bites you again, shame on you. Mfume, like a lot of others, black, white and otherwise, has a lot to be ashamed about, as do the mothers of all five of his children.

I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for the women who wind up becoming single mothers, especially if the situation involved something other than widowhood or divorce. And I definitely don't have any use for the men who create these new lives and walk away from the responsibility of nuturing them.

There's no way, in my not-so-humble opinion, that any man with that many children can be an effective father. And his credibility is automatically shot if he even thinks of opening his mouth about teen pregnancy.

I believe in honest mistakes, people. They happen. You learn from them and move on. But when you keep making the same mistakes over and over again, they become stupid mistakes. Thanks to some brain-dead brothers and sisters, hard working folk who have the good sense not to do this kind of stuff end up paying for those mistakes.
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Troy

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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 12:22 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM: Honestly it is not about liking or disliking Mfume personally. I'm sure Mfume is a extremely likeable guy.

I just can't get past the 5 baby momma thing. This is not a little thing. This is not an "accident". he was either stupid or lacking a conscious. Neither problem goes away over night.

I'm just as astounded that people are so willing to gloss over Mfume's behavoir. And that some even think it is possible to be a decent father to 5 children with 5 baby mommas.

Susan: to answer the question "Would you be more apt to listen to someone who has gone down a road when they tell you not to or one who hasn't? It depends upon the messenger. Personally if I knew the person have made such a serious mistake 5 times in a row. I would question their judgement to the extent that I would take everyhting they said with a grain of salt. Besides, common sense tells you not to have 5 babies by five different women. Few peole would need Mfume to council them on this one.
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Susan

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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 08:03 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Troy, can't speak of anyone else but I am not *glossing over* his Mfume's past behavior. As I said, a person who isn't taking of their children, be the parent the female or male, or no matter how many they have, isn't cool is my book. Period. Sure he probably wasn't the model parent at age 22, but as I said there are many who only have one child and isn't doing a much better job. I don't understand how much clearer I can make this sentiment.

Seems you want me to condemn this man for something he did 20+ years ago and say that he's not qualified to head the NAACP today. Something I learned long ago, everyone's moral compass needle doesn't always point the same direction.

If you want to hold his 5 children with 5 different mothers against Mfume, that's fine with me. I agree, he wasn't using good judgment. Or as you say, maybe he was just stupid then. These children were conceived before the man turned 22 years old. And, the mothers' (especially those after child number # 1) judgment was just as impaired. But, just as Mfume, a lot us aren't behaving and thinking today as were when we were in our late teens and/or early 20s.

Well, I am sure Mfume isn't the first person to have that many different children by various women and won't be the last. So, maybe he could be of some counsel to some young males and females out there today before they head down that road.

I am just waiting for the same outcry against all these 'rappers' who admit to dealing drugs, and destroying communities and families, in their younger days to receive the same fingerpointing shame. But it appears as long as we can bob our head to their music, then all is forgiven. There's a top selling rapper now who is wearing his gunshot wounds as a badge of honor and they are included in his marketing/press kit. Sheesh.

Susan
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Thumper

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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 08:12 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hello All,

Troy: It's not glossing over the fact that he had 5 children out of wedlock. If he supported them, and not my tax money, he can keep on having them as long as he is supporting them. I do see your point in Mfume's effectiveness though. It could possibly work if he was dealing with 5 women with common sense and all wanted the same thing for their children. Odds are that's not the case. If one man can get 5 women (5 women that he done slept with) to agree and work hand and hand to raise the children for 18 years, that man SHOULD be somebody's president!

Now, there's an old saying that goes, "Mama's baby, Papa's maybe". This does not negate the fact that three of the mothers were some damn fools. A lot of women and young girls today are just plain stupid. Why in hell would any woman with a smidgen of common sense lay down and have a child with a man; thereby, making HIS baby count 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10? The woman is the one that has to carry the baby, that man done did his part and gone. It's she that has to be careful! You know I look at the talk shows. It never ceases to baffle me how these silly women will have kids by a man that has NO job, NO car, NO house, NOTHING, and have his baby number 5, or 6, and honestly believes that that fool is going to take care of their baby! I want to slap that woman's mama for raising a fool! Hold up, and then 95% of the time, this "man" is hooked up and living off another fool woman. I understand putting the weight of the problem on the man, but these women are equally to blame.
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Snake Girl Susan

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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 08:14 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

50 Cents and R. Kelly have been trashed before on these boards--as has the "male" misogyny posse from Hip Hop overall.

But Mfume is held to a greater and higher standard...as well he should be.

As I said--I like the man as a person. I would date him if I was single. BUT...I would not choose him as a public leader. He's STILL, today, a well known womanizer. The only thing that changed is that his women are now richer, better educated (from a higher class pool) and therefore aren't as easily impregnated.

Mfume has tried to downplay the 5 kids...what he should have done was made it a major public rallying cry...."Look at me! At messed up big time and here's what we've got to do so that other young men don't fall into the ridiculously irresponsibility that I fell victim to. Look what a fool I was when I was young!"

He should have really confronted that publicly and DENOUNCED his own behavior.

As well as that...Mfume, like Jackson, never tackles any REAL issues of resonant meaning to the Black MASSES of todays American culture. He does safe crap like boycotts the Oscars. Or complains that a black kid got call "n word" at a baseball game.

We need REAL leadership from responsible men with a greater social vision than what Mfume has displayed.

It's a shame that men of the moral caliber of Malcolm X and Martin Luther King are no longer considered "Cool" enough to lead us.

I personally love Mumia.

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Snake Girl

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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 08:18 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

None of those "baby mamas" are trying to hold office or be public leaders and badge wearers of proper values.





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Thumper

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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 10:50 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

No, they just have to be good mothers. Call me crazy but that seems much more important. Now, the babies didn't have a say in who their parents are going to be, but the mothers did. Mother 4 and 5 of Mfume's baby mommas should have told him to either get himself fixed or put a raincoat on -- preferably one that fits -- before anything gets to shakin' and rollin'. Obviously, Mfume's wasn't the only that didn't have his priorities straight. All I'm saying is put it where it belongs. Anybody, I don't care who, will get away with anything they are big enough to get away with. If the bank that holds my mortgage would let me get away with paying $150 a month for my mortgage payment instead of the $600 a month, and after 30 years the house would be mine free and clear, you don't think I would take it? *eyebrow raised* If American Airlines would let me go to LA round trip and sell me the ticket for $5, you don't thank I wouldn't take it? Shhooooot. I sho would pay that $150/month mortgage payment. I sho would buy that ticket for $5 and go to the sleep on the way there. Mfume didn't do no more than what those women allowed him to do. That's on them. Bottom line. Now, if you happen to be a member of NAACP, which I am not, and your membership dues go to support the man, you have the right to oppose him and denounce him as your leader. But, I'm not in the NAACP so I don't pay membership dues. He's not my leader or president. And as long as my tax money ain't supporting him or his kids, I could care less who he bops, affluent or the $2 crack ho up the block and around the way.
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Crystal

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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2003 - 07:34 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I agree with Ms. Snake. He should have come clean from the jump and made a big deal of telling folks this is not the thing to do. I've heard him speak and I think he could have found a way to do it so that (young) people listen.

Kids need more than money to "take care" of them. What they need is attention. Can he do that with 5 of them in different places?

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