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     Chrishayden Regular Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 31 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
I am trying to catch up on my Hip Hop. I shunned the art form for years (I explained that on another thread) and now am trying to catch up with stuff I didn't listen to when it first came out. Everybody was talking about how good the album The Chronic was. How Dr. Dre was a genius the Phil Spector of Hip Hop, etc etc.I had heard "Nuthin But A G Thang" about the time it came out--usually booming out of somebody's box when they were passing. I just got it and listened to it all the way through. I found it fair to middlin' not as good as other gangsta rap classics as "We Can't Be Stopped" or "Strictly For My Niggaz". Am I missing something? Am I listening to it wrong? Is "The Chronic" really all that, and why? | ||
| Yukio AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 79 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
you need to listen to the music before and have the chronic....the production is what set it apart from others... | ||
| Yukio AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 80 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
oops...i meant before and after the chronic... | ||
| Eviana Newbie Poster Username: Eviana Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Hey Chris, forget the chronic and pick up a good book like The Package by Nicklas Maddox and Nea Williams. Then go back to the chronic you'll need it after you read it. | ||
| Chrishayden Regular Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 33 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Another query--one thing that is attractive about music is its universality. David Ruffin, can sing about "My Girl" and I can say, yes that's how I feel about mine. Sinatra can sing, "That's Life" and I can say, yeah, I feel that way, and sing those words myself ("I've been a poet a pirate a something a something a pawn and a king") James Brown can sing "Get Up, I feel Like Being Like a Sex Machine" and--well you get it. Listening to The Chronic I am a little nonplussed repeating lines as "Tim Dogg can eat a big fat ____") But would you get offended if you heard a white man walking down the street singing "I can't be faded. I'm a nigga from the m______ streets"? | ||
| Cynique AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 99 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
The mystique of Rap has a lot to do with its cadence. Words when repeated over and over lose their meaning and become just sounds. In a way, Rap lyrics are just verbalized rhythm. Should Rap be analysed? Or should the listener simply get into its the flow?? | ||
| Yukio AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 81 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
CH: There are racist white lyrics, as well.... also, among the younger hip hop generation there are white and asians using the term nigga and it doesn't have the same connotation that it has among older generations....remember, words have their own life, sometimes....even competing usuages of the same word at the same time among different groups.... | ||
| Chrishayden Regular Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 35 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Yukio: The question was--if you heard a white man lustily singing that chorus which was from "Deez Nutz" on The Chronic, would you be offended? I take it that you wouldn't. With me it would depend on how and why he was doing it. If he was doing it with a knowing grin and a wink I might get mad. If he really was caught up in the lyric (as I am sometimes--after I've had a few, though) I might be puzzled and bemused. What did you think of the scene in Ghost Dog where the Mafia dude is rapping along to Flavor Flav in the bathroom ("Cold Lampin) | ||
| Yukio AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 86 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
ch: it would depend on the white person...as my earlier post stated....there are whites among us who are hip hop...whatever that is.....the point is not to confuse culture with socalled "race"....africans as well as african americans do not participate in hip hop and don't understand the music, symbols, etc....ie, cultural markers....so that they'll hear niggas...and confuse with black people, but if black people are using the term in different ways then it is clear that they don't equate nigga with blackness... it is quite complicated, in my opinion, ....not as simiplisitic or liberal as Randall Kennedy's characterization of the word nigger, by the way....because clearly, you can use the word and mean hate....both blacks and whites use the word in this way.....sorry...I don't have any neat answers! Oh...i did recall that moment in Ghost Dog.... | ||
| Chrishayden Regular Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 39 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Wait a minute Yukio--you have actually listened to The Chronic? I'm shocked! I imagined that you, to be daring, might chance listening to a string quartet playing Mozart--but only after a nip or two of sherry! What do you think of the new crop of MC's, Jay Z and Ja Rule and 50 Cent? Anybody drop some CD's recently that I need to get and carry around with me so people will think I'm hep? | ||
| Yukio AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 90 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
get kanye west's cd..... mozart?...i'm from the projects....cherry? what? i'm 2 young fa dat....when the Chronic came out i was a sophomore in college, my friend! early 90s! | ||
| Yukio AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 91 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
i like jayz encore, brush ya shoulders off....ja rule is out...and 50 cent just doesn't do it 4 me.... | ||
| Chrishayden Regular Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 40 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Yukio: You can listen to Mozart in the projects. I listen to it sometimes in North St. Louis (if you can do that you can do anything) Not cherry. Sherry. It's a rather refined alcholic drink. If you was a sophomore in the 90's you ain't too young to get your sip on. In the Hood you might try some white port in a brown paper bag or a 40 oz. I like David Banners "Like a Pimp". | ||
| Yukio AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 92 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
i don't "like a pimp"....i've listened to mozart but not for pleasure...and one day, when i grow up, i'll drink so sherry...i'm done wit da 40s... | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 108 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Yukio, the exchange between you and chrishayden was interesting because it just goes to show what misconceptions people have about fellow posters. I think a lot of people get the impression that you are older and more sedate than you really are. | ||
| Yukio AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 93 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
nope...i'm a young buck...who reads a little! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 113 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Young BUCK???? You are a woman, aren't you? | ||
| Yukio AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 94 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
no, i'm not. you are the first person to ask....lmao! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 117 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Well, Yukio, you surely know that a buck is, specifically speaking, a male deer, and, generally speaking, a strapping male animal of any species.If you're into this kind of terminology you would be a young wench. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 120 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Yukio, - I just re-read your response to my question as to whether you are a woman.... Strike my first response. You mean to tell me that after all of this time, you are revealing to the board, that you are a GUY?? I CAN'T BELIEVE IT! | ||
| Yukio AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 96 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
I was never asked...so i never told...lmao! | ||
| Chrishayden Regular Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 47 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
I had thought that Yukio was a male Japanese name but I thought to each his own. I too thought you were a woman. | ||
| Yukio AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 97 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
yes...yukio is a male japanese name.... | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 123 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Chris, you aren't Christine, are you? LOL! Yukio, thanks for always taking the woman's side in the frequent battle of the sexes that have taken place on the board. We women couldn't have asked for a better champion for our cause. And, in case anybody is interested, Cynique just checked and, yes, she is a girl. OK, Ok, I'm lying, too. I confess. My girlhood days are over. I'm an over-the-hill babe. | ||
| Chrishayden Regular Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 49 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Yukio and All: This goes to show the power or what have you in this medium to create a picture all in the minds of the beholders. Here we don't even have what we would have over radio or telephone a voice that we could quickly type--of course that can be tricky too. Cynique: One of these days I may give you the opportunity to make your own inquiries into that area-heheheh By they way, what do you have on this Barak Obama who is running for the Senate from Illinois? | ||
| Yukio AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 98 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Cynique and CH: I don't like the battle of the sexes,....interestingly, since i was assumed to be a woman my positions had less poignancy, since my socalled "gender" biased my analysis. If it was known that I was a man perhaps my posts would have been interpreted differently....part of my rhetoric had to do with the point that we assume so much based on the person's gender without necessarily engaging the commentary or material on its own merit...the complication, of course, is that sometimes we certainly need to consider gender[or race], because not to do so is quite irresponsible....I think we can do both... | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 124 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Wasn't that a sexist remark Chris made to me in his post, Yukio? As for Obama, he seems like the real thing. I voted for him. He lives in Chicago and has good credentials. He's paid his political dues and is married to a sista. His father is Nigerian, his mother white and he has lived in several different countries. He's a Harvard graduate and seems to have good cross over appeal. He beat out the Machine Democratic candidate because he was able to garner a lot of white liberal votes. | ||
| Yukio AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 99 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: |
cynique... ya'll know i'm neither tryin to talk about sexism nor black identity. And if u haven't noticed, i'm not writing dissertations either...lmao! | ||
| Chrishayden Veteran Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 51 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
"Wasn't that a sexist remark Chris made to me in his post, Yukio?" Somebody on this list was the class snitch in grammar school--I wonder who? Platinum Poster? Wasn't that the name of a Marvel Superhero? | ||
| Yukio AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 100 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
hmmmm.....u aint heard it from me, but.....lmao! | ||
| Linda Newbie Poster Username: Linda Post Number: 3 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Hello All Thought I had gone didn't you, but I'm back from touring (for a minute anyway) and figured I better see what was going on with everyone. So after reading all the posts and checking everything out I am glad to say I learned this....Yukio is a man. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I wasn't sure if I would ever live down sleeping with a woman in the movie "Thumpers Corner." Boy do I feel better now....whew! | ||
| Yukio "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 106 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Linda: thats funny....i couldn't get to the 'Thumpers Corner,'but i'm happy you're happy! | ||
| Linda Newbie Poster Username: Linda Post Number: 4 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Yukio: I'm happy, cause you are a man and I was written in as your female partner....only you were a woman. Talk about gossip...whew! Glad to know it was fictional. LOL | ||
| Theprophetess Newbie Poster Username: Theprophetess Post Number: 25 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Hey Chris, I'm with you no rap mind whatsoever here. If it isn't 70's nostalgia, jazz, or gospel (old fashioned sangin'...:-) I don't know it. However, a few years ago, I did listen to 'Public Enemy'fear of a black planet. Great messages. Other than that, never could stand the 'noise factor' alone, though I came to the defense of black youth and their right to be allowed to use the rap forum. I hate the misgoynistic message but I like the ones who use it to send positive messages. I don't listen to it, I just like the fact that they can. Now, I discoursed with this rare, decent, white kid from the U.K for a while. He was very much into rap and he says he refers to his white friends as 'his niggaz.' So this group of black men gained power through their own creativity only to send the 'n' word around the world for all people to use. Whew! Some blacks are their own worst enemies. And black young women as well, bebopping to lyrics that are sent around the world denigrating their person. Yes, some blacks are indeed, their own worst enemy and sadly, I daresay that many wouldn't take offense in your referring to them as a 'fat _____________'. After all, the white racist just scored a major victory in using the term 'niggaz' written on the side of a school I think it was, to get a ignorant racist off who thought meant the 'N' word spelling in its original horrid form. Yes, they were dirty enough to use the ignorant black faction's ignorance against them and so saved their racist little hatemonger from a conviction. Well, that was the ultimate insult to we blacks who do not use the term at all, but the fact remains, such blacks or Willie Lynch coloreds as I refer to them, aided and abetted the creep getting off. |
