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Chrishayden
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Posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 04:05 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com
For safer world, legalize drugs

Monday, December 13th, 2004

The recent reduction of the harsh mandatory sentencing once common to New York drug laws makes an interesting combination when thought of with the concept of legalized, taxable gambling. I say that because the real solution to the drug problem this country faces has little to do with how much time some lightweight drug pusher or user is sentenced to spend behind bars. It is not about finding better ways to get the big guys and put them where they belong. That's all a waste of time.
What we need to do is legalize all the drugs and face the consequences. That's right. With drug dealers put out of business, I am sure those consequences would be much less dangerous - and much less expensive - to our society. Legalization could not even begin to approach the downside in the illegal dope world - torture, murder, beatings and sexual exploitation.

Drug money is very nearly the petroleum of the most violent criminal world. It is the fuel that keeps the destructive engine running. Drug violence dramatically influences the nature of public health. The violence perpetuated by drug gangs fighting over turf is one of the bloody burdens the lower class must bear. The health costs of treating those with gunshot wounds, whether actual members of the trade or innocent bystanders, must amount to hundreds of millions over the last 30 years. All those bandages, all of those operations, all of that rehabilitation, all of those crutches, prescriptions, painkillers and wheelchairs.

None of it is free.

So while states, including this one, are considering legal gambling as a way to raise their tax revenues and provide better services for their citizens, I believe that they should start thinking about the same thing in the area of illegal drugs. The taxes from drugs alone would greatly deepen the resources necessary to fight the educational shortages in this nation, for one.

The impact on crime would be enormous because young men seeking the fast track to wealth through illegal drug trafficking would have to calm down. We would save thousands of kids. Who knows? They might even have to take school seriously. At least they wouldn't be found gunned down on a streetcorner or in an alley or some dilapidated apartment. Legalizing drugs would end that. The big drug companies would be quite happy once they were able to take over the kinds of drugs that have made billions for dope lords.

The other advantage with the big drug companies like Lilly and Pfizer is that they would be the only ones able to sustain a fight against the enormous lobby that illegal drug profiteers would underwrite to keep their product in the shadow world.

We have to face the fact that recreational drugs have made their appearance and are part of the colossal market of modern entertainment. They are going nowhere, and it is time for our nation to look at things as they are. When we do, we can take some giant steps that must be taken.

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Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 10:43 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Interesting. I wonder what exactly Crouch is proposing?

I wonder if Crouch thinks if Merck (while they are still in business), Pfizer or other pharmaceutical company should begin selling drugs instead of the cats on the street?

Are we going to start to seeing commericals for ecstasy on TV during the commerical breaks on Oprah?

OK, so we legalize and tax drugs. Does he think that will stop the street corner sales? They just raised the taxes on cigarettes in New York city to the point where it makes ecconimic sense for someone to drive to Virgina, fill up there trunk and sell them a $5 a pack. People have already died over tuff battle for cigrattes for christ sake.

I don't think the crazy sentences they give people for drug use is the answer. And I defintely don't think legalization will automatically leave us better off.

I believe if drugs were legal, more people would be inclined to try them -- don't you think? If that happens we would almost certainly be worse off. Can you image crack being legal? That just sounds crazy?

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Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 11:42 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Just my opinion:

The legalization of drugs has decreased the amount of users in Holland and other European countries considerably. The number of "addicts" and "overdoes" have decreased by nearly 72% in Holland since 1978--at least that was the statistic I found in research about 6 months ago.

Legalized prostitution in Senegal and some parts of Uganda has cut new AIDS infections by almost 70%.

Once people don't have to HIDE in the dark and traipse in Alleys, they're able to make better decisions about their "habits" and act more responsibly. They can form "designated areas" where treatment, counseling and communion is available.

Legalizing also takes the "mystery" out of many things--and no TROY--usage usually decreases. Many kids don't think a thing is cool if it's LEGAL carries no taboo, no stigma.

The reason the U.S. keeps things "illegal" is to keep their PRISON SYSTEM in business. That's a multi-billion dollar biz that NEEDS bodies--preferrably black and brown bodies, which cancels VOTES and wrecks countless lives.

Without HOPE...without a viable identity...the weakest human beings seek a crutch and end up wasting their entire lives in a constant battle against an invisible, but very real MASTER(drug) Ultimate Mistress (drug).

Black people, especially, often find themselves without HOPE and without a "viable" identity, because the community is the only one in America that is in CONSTANT "flux"--there's no stability and it breeds loud talking, bragging, pants hanging, blond weaved---INSECURITY.

As AIDS ravages central and southern Africa--notice that West Africa and North Africa are almost untouched by it right now. IN SENEGAL--where prostitution is legal, organized and kept separated from the general "village"---they have one of the lowest AIDS rates on the continent, surpassed only by the strict Muslim countries of the North.

My birth father was a heroin addict and I think he would have been a worse user and would have died from it (rather than civil rights) had he been on heroin in the U.S.

I myself don't do any drugs. Neither street or pharmacuetical (is that mispelled? yes).

I drink occasionally, which started 3 years ago and....I used to smoke 2 packs of cigarettes a day (I quit cigarettes 4 years ago cold turkey).

I definitely think the Black Community in particular would benefit greatly if we could just de-criminalize and get help/and or drugs for those who need drug therapy.

As for "marijiana"--as an African, I don't consider that a drug. I don't smoke it, because I can't handle it (I have sickle cell trait and hormonal problems due to circumcision, so WEED makes me laugh too much and act silly, and then I couldn't care for my children)--but "ganja"/"doja" is a natural healing medicine. Whole nations in Africa smoke marijiana for a myriad of uses. We season foods with it at honeymoon time, we use it for festival. It's a sin for marijiana to be illegal--because it's good for the elderly, especially.

Children shouldn't have it, but after marriage--it should be available for both recreation and medicinal purposes.

Yes, drugs should be legalized. And prostitution too.

Making them legal will centralize them, remove them from the VIEW of the general society and de-mystify them.

Imagine if prostitutes didn't have to DRESS LIKE ONE in order for people to know what they were????
Imagine if a hooker could look like Mrs. Brady and have a designated hotel to work in...or her own home or for a company that provides "medical care and benefits"???

I believe very strongly that a woman should own her body and her sexuality---what she and a man do in agreement---is nobody's business but their own.

I've never been a prostitute straight out---but I have been several men's mistress in my youth and it felt like being a prostitute and I greatly enjoyed it and I think I benefitted from the hardship of it and I see nothing wrong with it.

Especially nowadays when many men are not exactly offering "true love"---and more women are bold enough not to love men, for some of those girls it would be ideal and SENSIBLE.

A great improvement over the hypocricy (damnit, these misspellings!) we have now.




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Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 01:45 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The old arguments still persist about legalizing drugs. When Prohibition ended, did everybody become an alchoholic? With state lotteries proliferating throughout the country has everyone become a compulsive gambler? With cigarettes being sold over the counter, is everbody a chain smoker? Legalizing drugs is certainly an option to be seriously considered because doing so would defuse the power wielded by drug dealers, and dissipate the devastating effects of drug wars.
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Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 10:48 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

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So called illegal drugs are practically legal now. I can go anywhere in the country and in 20 minutes score some drugs.

About a month ago they had a bunch of drug raids and arrests in my area. Took down a couple of failry big middle level organizations. The paper was full of all the property and businesses these guys owned. The same night of the day I heard the news I was walking up the street and this kid looks to be about 14 asks me, "You good, OG?" In other words, was I looking for any drugs to buy? They drug dealers and buyers did not miss a step. Just kept on going just like always, but with a different crew.

One of the guys took down was a young guy about 40. Got wife and daughters about high school age. Was buying a house in the neighborhood--no he didn't have all kinds of people running in and out of his house so we didn't know. He didn't flash and he wasn't gangsta.

Apparently the way it works is these guys supply the street gangs who do the actual street sales.

Anyway this guy is going down for a long time. Several other young black men. I have been watching for years, young black men and women either getting hooked on it, or getting busted for selling it. And a dozen at a time. I am getting sick of it and it's got to stop one way or the other.

I live in the inner city. All these cars coming down here to buy the stuff are full of white people from the county. They ain't the ones going to jail they use the stuff til they stop and become President.

Whatever will work, what we have been doing now has not--
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Posted on Sunday, December 19, 2004 - 11:57 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Prostitution, cigarettes, alcohol, even marijuana are not the same as heroin or crack. So I'm not sure these anaolgies are appropriate as they apply to drugs.

An alcoholic can keep a job, a cigarette smoker is not (in most casaes) gonna steal your DVD player to finance another hit.

We have to draw a line somewhere don't you think? We as a society have to have some freaking standards for behavior. If we say it is OK to buy heroin at Walmart does that not imply that we as a society are saying that it is OK to take heroin.

Of course, not everyone will buy heroin (no one buys everything that is available for sale). However if someone does buy heroin they will almost certainly becomes hooked.

What do we do with all of these new heroin addicts, who do not have the wherewithal or desire to kick, but have become burdens upon society becuae of their addiction?

Surely you understand once drugs are legal more people will try them; simply becuase there are no longer any legal restrictions to provide contraints. It will not longer be the pusher man preying on the weakest in our society, but the ad men assulting our entire society.

I can see the ads for cocaine now. Instead of the rugged Marlboro man we'll have the platinum clad, thiggish, roughneck with two honey on each arm, rap music in the background. Touting the sex appeal promised by using coke.

I'm cool with legalization of marijuana, but these synthetic drugs desinged for the sole purpose of getting you hooked and motiving you to acquire more of the drug at the expense of everything else (ex. crack) -- these drugs need to stay illegal.

Unless someone comes up with a crack antidote -- then hey, you might even find me in the crack aisle at Kamrt!

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Posted on Sunday, December 19, 2004 - 01:23 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

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You did a fine job of separating the fluff from the real deal. Those that have never been addicted to an illegal drug have no .........NO idea of the pull those drug have. Lets not cloud the issue, legal or not an addictive job is a MOTHER F*^KER. Let me repeat that.....IT'S A MF. Some think it's as easy as saying NO. What many fail to realize is that once the drug takes control, that person no longer has control. That person is no longer the same individual. I know this is hard to get with but it's so true and there in lies the problem. What do you think "intelligent" people become addictive? It's because it has NOTHING to do with it. We all want to feel good or be happy. Really, whatever our motive to do anything in life, the bottom line is we are trying to feel good. Look at the motive behind everything we do in life and one can quickly understand that behind it is our desire to feel good. Now we shouldn't confuse this with trying to obtain a super feeling of joy, no. But again, once that drug enters your mind and soul that drug is the boss. See, some think that if you consume a substance and don't instantly crave for more you have proven the theory of instant addiction wrong. But here's the catch, if one is fortunate enough to never do it again they can escape but if they try again they are in essense addicted proving to themselves that they are not because they didn't go crazy or want it again right then. The mind however didn't forgert that feeling and the road to hell is in it's begining stage and the outcome is very preditable. You will lose your life and your mind. Slowly but surely the race is on. I know it's not easy to feel me but it's the thruth.

Legalization has it's place. In Iowa a person can go up to the counter and buy needles. Right across the river in Illinois you can't buy them as easily. Now, which state would you think has the largest number of aids cases? Easy huh, Illinois. So as long as the general population satys ignorant to the addiction thang, we will continue to chase our tail.

The recovery programs are another story. For the most part they are a joke and no one cares. They are a big joke yet because they are the only game in town and the beat goes on. Few work but who's looking for other methods. Those that are trapped don't have a voice and those that are not don't care. Wow, it's a dark pit (addiction)without a voice.

People just like to talk that thang and frequently they no little about the real world of addiction and the mind. Yeah, they talk that ying yang and it sounds good but until you've been there ........

One more time......the recovery systems that are in place are a joke, some pass go but I wouldn't be far off if I said 98% of those that are trapped remain so for the reat of their lives. Scary isn't it.......you bet it is!

Should we make it legal? We better have the real facts!

Carey

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Posted on Sunday, December 19, 2004 - 07:53 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The point is, everybody doesn't have an addictive personality. If they did, everybody would be drug addicts because drugs are readily avilable to any one who wants to get them. But, the average person chooses not to do hard drugs and can use recreational drugs without going over board. Legalizing drugs isn't about them being readily available at the corner drug store. It's about the government regulating the dispensing of them to people who register themselves as addicts. This decriminalizes the sale of drugs and also deflates the drug culture. True, the legalization of drugs is not a panacea, but nothing else has worked and many European countries have been successful in adopting this approach.
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Posted on Monday, December 20, 2004 - 01:03 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Addictive Personality.......Recreational Drugs.....ahhh.....See, there it is, that talk, that meaningless banter about personalities. What love got to do with it? Btw, what are recreational drugs?

Let's see, what about THE PERSON. They had to become an addict BEFORE they registered, right. Also, who or what is "an average person"? Come on, there's that yike yak pattie wak I was talking about. The truth is, it has not worked because those in power do not care. Money is the MF that runs this game. Who's in jail.......black folk. Who has the money and the planes.......WHITE People. Who's running the treatment centers and the jail system........WHITE people. Who's sitting on the bench with the gavel......yeah, Mr Charlie. Who owns that business that can get drugs into the country......right ol'wise one, Mr. Linworth.
Who do you see big Reggie lean over and talk to when the judge is about to lower 30yrs on his black ass......yep, Perry Mason. So my good ol'blind child, the next time those lips part to spill that hyperyak, don't quote, think. Think who's behind the curtain, it's not the Wizard Of Oz, it's..........

Recreational drugs......Average Person.......Pleeeeease!
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Posted on Monday, December 20, 2004 - 11:00 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Troy:

Alchohol, cigarettes and Prostitution kill people just like crack and heroin. There are heroin and crack addicts that go about their everyday jobs--what about Ray Charles. He was a dope addict all the time he was making those hits. As was the guy who wrote the tv show "Alf".

The line has been crossed. If you were talking about a problem that was confined only to a small part of the country or population I would agree with you. It is all across the nation. Why?

Otherwise law abiding citizens want this dope and they are taking it. Half the black folks in jail are in there on possession charges.

There is nothing you can do now to stop it or wipe it out, save killing anybody who possesses or sells it and that didn't even work in Communist China which now has a heroin problem.

Prohibition has failed. It is a joke. It is making money for politicians, cops, prosecutors, and drug companies (yes, drug companies--without the equipment and chemicals that they legally make it would be impossible for the illegal dope factories to function.

They know what use is being put to their equipment, as do the banks that are laundering all the money. All of the big boys are prospering from this and all of the little people are suffering and all people can do is to put their head in the sand and say we should keep the present system in place because of what "might" happen.

We know what is happening now from the present policies.
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Posted on Monday, December 20, 2004 - 12:33 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have one question to ask you, Carey. If drugs were legalized, would you decide to become a heroin addict? People who have the psychological problem of having an addictive personality seek the escape of drugs whether they are illegal or not. People who don't have this problem will not acquire it if drugs become legal. Also, what do you suggest be done about the drug problem? You say people don't care. Well, if they did care, they would legalize drugs and instigate a policy to deal with addicts on an out-patient basis.
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Posted on Monday, December 20, 2004 - 01:09 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynique:

I agree. Anybody who wants to become a heroin addict can do so now. I'm not going to become one. Probably nobody on this list will.

I have known alchoholics that were as helpless after a bender as the most nodded out junkie. I can recall a neighbor passed out on her porch so drunk she did not awake when her husband turned the water hose on her. I remember an attorney who got so drunk they had to break down her door to get to her. I remember a woman up in Chicago who got so drunk she passed out in an alley and had to have both legs amputated.

And how many thousands are killed and maimed by drunk drivers?
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BTW, Carey, I'm surprised you don't know what recreational drugs are! They are those that people do for fun and relaxation and not because they are addicted. Cocaine, ecstasy, and weed are actually recreational drugs, because they are not "physically" addicting. But here, again, the addictive personality comes into play. You seem to have a problem with the idea that most people can take or leave drugs.
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Speaking of addicted--last week I was at a brunch and everybody at the table was on some kind of medicine--, high blood, heart, blood thinner, anti depressants, etc the host of the affair got up and announced that he had had his medicine--

I ain't on medicine but probably would be if I saw doctors more often--we talk about people being addicted to illegal drugs but how about all these people strung out on legal ones.

They got the kids on Ritalin and prozac. The teenagers on lithium, the adults on heart, blood pressure medicine and insulin

A nation of dope addicts.
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I'm done!!!! DONE DONE.......COCAINE is an recreational drug...........please. Obviously we have no more to say! "F" the body, what about the mind, the mind leads the way! I can't even believe you parted your lips to let that s(8t fall out. Cyn-Cyn, stop it, you're killing me. The habit my dear lady is up stairs. You can lock down a person with a habit BUT when they stop shaking and doing what they do during withdrawals and you let them out, it's on. The body may be cool but THE MIND is the MF'ER.

I'm done I see you know little else than what you care to hear or read.

Carey

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I'm sorry Cyn-cyn for putting so much venum in myy post but this subject is close to my heart. I am very close to some that have fallen prey to this monster (who isn't), in fact their blood runs in me. I just get so caught-up when I hear people say anything good about drugs. So to call Cocaine usage recreational fun is just totally out of wack and should never be said.

No supply, no demand!

No demand, no supply.

1+2=3

Addict X will kick if there's nothing there....huh!

Start education against drug real quick!!!!

" Here baby girl, daddy gonna read you a bedtime story and btw let's talk about this thang called drugs".

The schools have to jump on it quick. First period is A.A. History. Second period, drugs and it's dangers and effects.

I am talking passing out the kickballs and the REAL DEAL about drug use..........The horrible nightmare of hell. Why do we wait, why should we wait. Can you tie your shoe? Can you turn your head away from that rock?
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It's quite obvious that this is an emotional issue with you, Carey, but I know a lot of substance-abuse people, too. And believe it or not, I also know several people who were enamoured with Cocaine but finally put it down because it was, indeed, mind-controlling and, unlike heroine, their body didn't demand it once they got their heads straight. Cocaine gives such an ecstatic high that people do do it for fun which is why it is considered a recreational drug, not to mention an aphrodisac. And, I repeat, legalizing drugs doesn't mean people can just go out and buy it. And, all the lecturing in the world will not stop young people from doing drugs if they decided to try them. And I repeat, some will get hooked and others will not. And who knows, once you supply the demand, certain drugs might lose their fascination. That's what the drug culture is all about. For many, there is as much excitement in meeting the challenge to figure out how to score drugs as there is doing them.
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I doubt very seriously if there is as much excitment in meeting the challenge to figure out how to score drugs as there is doing them.....really, again that's talk talk.....fill-up talk. They may have a bond and become comfortable around each other but make no misstake about it, the lick is that warm comfortable place that YOUR baby, your drug of choice takes you.

When I talk about early education, I mean the real deal,not some book printed to make money or some old lame ass book printed 30 to 50 years ago. Shit, they even had new math....what.. I thought 1 and 1 was always 2......huh. Listen, I'd bet many reading this post have never visited a treatment center down in the rooms at night and listened to the crying or been up in a crack house. I doubt if many have seen a nice young lady hit that glass D*#k for the first time and lose control of her morals and unfortunately her body. It's a sad site to see a young lady get poked and pushed in every posible way and.........WANT IT!. Only to "wake up" and feel the pain of knowing her life will never be the same. Yes, it's a sex drug but those words don't say it like it should be said. It should say it will/can make you come on yourself.....(I'm trying to keep it real with you). All your morals could loss out to this demon. People that's been there, they know what I am talking about. That book doesn't tell about how men use herion to sustain themselves, yeah, it's called dope dickin'.....(I'm just keeping it real). This mean thang gives this man a power that his new partner has never experienced and just loves. He ain't going to ahhh.....explode until he wants to or in some cases he won't even if he desire to. Let's go to the back rooms of the detox center and smell the stench of urine and vomit. Let's let the kids see the ghost looks in the patients.

If I see another famous person talking about their recovery it will be too soon. Yeah, some slide through.......some.....a very very few! They didn't talk about the support system they had, the money or friends that stood tall with them. Rudy, Junebug, Ray-Ray and Lucinda, will not be so fortunate. Oh, let's talk about the rise in hepititis C. Let's talk about the Aids patients and take the kids to visit those wards. Let's get down and show the REAL PICTURE. I ain't talking about some dry ass boring lecturer, oh no, that's where we now are at and that crap is a turn off, it does not work. Let's visit a shootin' gallery or show pictures of one. The horrible sight of people exchanging needles without even thanking about cleaning them. I know, "average people" wouldn't do that huh........BULL SHIT. Those people were at one time just like you and I. The drive of some drugs are so tremendously strong that a person would rather be dead than do without, so rational thinking becomes the punk, it's stepped on because pain is pressure and pressure breaks dams.

There is no Ten Step or 12 Step program that's going to save our black ass if we keep doing what we are doing. Btw, there are thousands of intelligent "average" joes that get caught-up because they are simply ignorant to the pull of drugs. Most think they are different or "more intelligent" than that. See, that's the bitch of it, most are misinformed.......most!

I know of every day moms that have sold their ass because they got caught-up. I mean church-going-singing-in-the-choir. good people that "thoought they'd know when to back out, it don't happen like that. The switch is a bitch but the cross is boss. Few know or hear about the thousands of Doctors and Pilots that get strungout. Oh yeah, go to a place called Hazelton and look at all the white faces in their cozy little hideaway. Just as in every occupation or endeavor theres good and bad. I've heard individuals say "so and so went to treatment and that didn't work, so and so just don't care". They knew nothing about the facility, they only knew that they went there. Just like our school systems, there are good ones and there are rotten ones.

So again, the real picture and/or problem is not being addressed. Don't talk to the kids, show them the horror of it all.......all of it!

We have to find a way to have them believe, really believe that once you start your fate is no longer yours and the end result is nasty!!!! It's F'd up, it's worse than death!

Yeah, I know, some......some don't wind up at the devils door but why argue that? Stop the madness, stop the hollow yik-yak, if a person doesn't know the real deal, the whole picture they should ask, look and listen.....for the real truth.

Carey

Carey
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What do you think would happen to all of these people you describe if drugs were legalized? The things they have to do to get illegal drugs is what makes their lives so sordid. You think eradicating drugs is the answer. Now it's your turn to get realistic because drugs are not going to go away. The next best thing is to decriminalize them.
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NO No NO, the things they do on drugs is just as sordid if not more so. But I ain't going to do that with ya *smile*. Cyn-cyn, as usual it's been a blast but this ol'gray head is tired, good night.

Carey
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Pssst.....hey you, I lost the number so hit me......not you but you know who I'm talking to *wink*.
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"they know who I'm talking to"

They don't post as often and I miss them.
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Hey Cyn-Cyn, I did get a little off track. The issue is so broad it's hard to stay the course especially via this medium.

I just don't know babe, legalizing something gives it a sort of "okay". You mentioned they can't stop the flow and I've always entertained/voice the thoughtthat they can if they TRUELY want to.

But again, I know the use would be less if the approach to education changed. We don't stick our hands in fire because we know it will hurt. Knowing the end result to a problem has a far greater affect than a "maybe" and "not me, I'm too smart for that". Yeah, we agree ......wait, did I say agree, ......lol......we both know the dangers are there but how can we make others truely believe it will happen to them. How can we convince others that the road to recovery (if they slip), is not as simple as merely going to treatment. I! .....I!.....I KNOW God has to be part of the equation....I know this. But that's another thang that we don't even want to address tonight *smile*. Seriously though my pot stirring friend, how can we convince our young ones that it's not something you should play with or gamble on? How can we turn this around to this WILL happen to you. I know if those that are locked up in the battle knew what the know now, they would run from drugs of any kind as if they were a bag of rabies! That's for real!!!!! So, if you accept that statement the solution is right in front of us and it's not legalization Whew....I ended up at home.

Carey

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