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Crystal
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Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 03:10 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Everybody else is talking about it Ė whatís your take?

I didnít see it when it was aired but from the news blurbs it didnít look good. Looked like the stereotypical white woman lusting after the stereotypical black buck who shirks his responsibilities as soon as he sees that naked white flesh.

Terrell better be careful when he plays in Dallas or Houston or St. Louis or [anyplace USA], I bet those red necks really hate him now.
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Chrishayden
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Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 03:38 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

See what I told you about these athletes being stupid? He probably thought it was cute--now they got him apologizing all over the place. It is going to cost him some endorsement money--

After OJ and Kobe they are still getting trapped up in that--
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Cynique
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Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 03:45 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I saw an interview with Terrell and he said that the "Desperate Housewife" actress was not naked but scantily clad and that they had to do about 7 or 8 retakes before they got it right. He said he enjoyed the "view" but that everybody kept their professional demeanor. According to talk shows, just as many blacks as whites were outraged. (What a coincidence, Crystal, that I used this analogy about the "black buck" in my response to an a-womon post before I even read this one.)
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Moonsigns
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Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 03:50 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I heard/saw about it on various news stations after it had happened. Regardless if people view the scenario stereotypically or not, I found it to be in poor taste. I found it rather interesting though how a very built, black man and a very blond, white women were selected to do such a trashy ad. I think many white males, especially in the advertising business, like to promote the stereotypical view of black men and white women. They knew what they were doing. The typical American loves stereotypes when they aren't the one being "grouped", hence, all the talk begins.

Though the ad was distasteful, I didn't view it as the "white woman lusting after the stereotypical black buck who shirks his responsiblities as soon as he sees that naked white flesh." I view it as a typical man who shirks his repsonsiblities as soon as he sees a beautiful, naked body, any beautiful, naked body at that.

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Cynique
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Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 04:10 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If this ad was in bad taste, then so is ABC's latest hit series "Desperate Housewives." It all depends on what you call bad taste. To me, this little blurb was more amusing than anything.
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Moonsigns
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Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 07:20 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

True. It does depend on what one calls bad taste. To me, "Desperate Housewives" is pretty tasteless and exploitive, but it's a reflection of our culture--the "norm". American tv (for the most part) sucks.
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Abm
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Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 09:47 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I agree with Cynique here. It was more tacky and funny than anything else.

And, actually, in a perverse way, you could argue the skit is an example of how race relations have 'evolved'. How often have we seen a nude pretty White woman jump into the arms of a Big powerful Black man on primetime broadcast TV? Hahaha!
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Steve_s
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Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 11:17 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I didn't see it but I think Moonsigns is probably correct when she identifies the culprits as "many white males, especially in the advertising business," but it's really not about the acceptance of interracial hanky-panky. When the pre-game show features interracial erotica it's not about how far we've come; that's not what Tony Dungy is objecting to when he calls it racially offensive. It's not Saturday Night Live, it's an American professional sport with mostly black players and mostly whites in management, advertising, broadcasting, reporting, behind the cameras, and in the stands, who are all immersed in a world of black athletes but really don't look up to any black males for their intelligence, only for their bodies, physical prowess, antics on and off the field, outrageous behavior and rudeness (not all but some). For which they're well-paid and idolized far beyond what most whites will ever experience. I think that that's what's meant by the plantation of dreams.
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Abm
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Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 11:40 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Steve_s,

I respect Dungy as a coach. And I partly agree that the suggestive nature of skit was quite racy for primetime/broadcast TV. But I think he needs the give the race thing a rest already.

I mean, anytime we see a White woman and Black man in a sexual situation, real/simulated, we should immediately relive the OJ/Kobe trials?

And come on now, already. There are A LOT of brothahs in the league, probably even on his own team, who are knockin' boots with "Desparate [Blond] Housewives". So THAT particular scene was HARDLY atypical.
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Abm
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Posted on Thursday, November 18, 2004 - 11:46 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And if could manage to view the scene from an unbiased perspective, you might conclude it was more demeaning of White women than it was a Black men.
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A_womon
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Posted on Friday, November 19, 2004 - 12:26 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

well, who set the perameters for stereotyping? The term Stereotyping, like the tern racism, is used often where it shouldn't be. Stereotyping has negative connotations that can only be applied if it renders someone powerless, and unable to change the way one perceives them because they are boxed in and viewed only in this light.

That term doesn't apply to white women, because they step in and out of any role they choose in THIS country, because they are uplifted and prized by america. They could never be stereotyped, because at any given point they could drop their chosen prized black male, and step right back over the line crying and begging forgiveness from their white peers, and nine times out of ten, they will be welcomed back into the fold. No damage to them, no stereotyping.

But hey, if some white chick thinks the shoe fits, put it on and walk around in it...

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