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Lawchic
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Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 02:02 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Anybody hear about this?

WASHINGTON (AP) - Elizabeth Edwards, wife of former Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards, was diagnosed with breast cancer the day her husband and Sen. John Kerry conceded the presidential race.

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Abm
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Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 02:15 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lawchic,

No. First time hearing it here.

Boy. It sure is 'raining' in the Edwards household right now. I hope she'll be okay.

And too bad for John-John the public didn't get to see enough of Liz. Cause she appeared to be the most articulate and informed person of EVERYBODY involved in this presidential election...and that includes Bush and Kerry.
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Brelei715
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Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 03:01 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes, LawChic I just read that...sad. good thing it's a curable form.
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Lawchic
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Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 11:43 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It may seem like rain, but in some ways the loss of the election may be a blessing for them. Gives them their lives back, especially since he didn't run for his own seat. They will have time to deal with this and recover as a family.

I really do like Edwards (but then again I liked Gore too - maybe I'm jinxing them. lol). I hope he finds a way to get back into politics soon. He really does possess some of the southern conservative democratic values we talked about being necessary in a candidate right now. Kerry just wasn't the match for him.

How about John Edwards for President with Barack Obama on the ticket???
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Moonsigns
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Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 07:17 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"How about John Edwards for President with Barack Obama on the ticket???" -Lawchic

I don't think John Edwards would make a strong president, but I feel Barack Obama would.

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Cynique
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Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 11:40 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Come on now Moonsigns, don't be patronizing. Obama hasn't really proved himself yet; all we know is that he is extremely popular and that you think his poised wife is a "doll."
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Moonsigns
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Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 03:19 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You're right Cynique, he hasn't proved himself. I'm just going by his demeanor thus far, as well as my intuitive feeling about him--and that is how I feel about his potential at this point--I could see him as president. His wife has nothing to do with how I feel either, especially after her "my baby's daddy" comment. She is a doll (physically), but that comment turned me off!
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Cynique
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Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 04:32 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, I'm sure his wife's remark didn't turn off Obama's black constituency; it was kind of an inside joke. Yes, Obama is very charismatic but you sounded as if you wanted to prove a point by jocking him rather than John Edwards who has, after all, served 6 years in the senate. See, Moonsigns, that how you get in trouble on this sight. LOL
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A_womon
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Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 04:55 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OH FOR PITY'S SAKE Moonsigns, could you have you lips puckered against cyniques ass any tighter??

Could you be any more OBVIOUS AND DESPERATE to keep her as an ally? What a freakin joke you are.

Oh you are so right cynique, oh please don't get mad at me cynique! give it a rest aready!!
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Moonsigns
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Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 06:22 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Some blacks may find that "inside joke" to be "funny", however, I'm sure not all do. To me, it's a joke that is used only in the company of very, very close friends, not in a public arena with millions of people watching.

I have no point to prove to anyone Cynique. There are some people who seem like natural born leaders and others that just don't. Edwards, in my opinion, just seems to lack a certain something that would propel him into being a tremendous leader. Obama on the other hand, he just seems like he has unlimited amounts of potential and the zeal to follow through--just a basic difference I feel about the men....that's it.



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Cynique
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Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 07:36 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You're entitled to your assessment about Obama, Moonsigns. But, neither you nor I know how many blacks were offended by the comment Obama's wife made. And, actually, I don't see why there would be a problem since he is her "baby Daddy." And I don't think it is uncommon for black women, no matter what her station in life, to teasingly refer to their child's father as their "baby daddy." This ghetto expression has made it into the mainstream of the black idiom, at least in my part of the country which is where Obama is from. Blacks don't always have to be on their good behavior for fear of making a bad impression on white people. Sometimes they can just "get down" and show that they haven't lost the common touch. Jesse Jackson does this all the time, as did Chicago's first black mayor, Harold Washington who once referred to a failing plan as being in "deep doo-doo." Anybody offended by what Obama's wife said, should just get over it.
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Moonsigns
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Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 08:36 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Though you have pointed out that this "ghetto expression" has "made it into the mainstream of the black idiom" (which I agree), I don't think it's safe to say that all blacks accept it. You know as well as I do that not all blacks think alike and that is why I know that, while you nor I can give exact numbers as to just how many blacks were offended, I'm sure there are some out there who were. Again, there are no absolutes.

"Blacks don't always have to be on their good behavior for fear of making a bad impression on white people."-Cynique

I agree. Do you feel this applies to all races though?

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Kola_boof
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Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 09:05 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'll be praying for Elizabeth Edwards.

As for Michelle Obama's "baby's daddy" comment--I was in room with black people from all over the world when she made it.

A black American couple owned the home I was in. There was a Somali model and her biracial daughter---two Ethiopian couples---two Kenyan men---a black couple from Mississippi, another black couple from Arizona, my black mother from Wash.D.C. and two black couples from Jamaica and one from Aruba, West Indies.

WE ALL LAUGHED "infectiously" when Michelle made the comment...and in that moment....they became REAL PEOPLE to us. The whole room fell in love with them even more than before.

MOON---the only kind of blacks who take offense at a MARRIED black woman calling her hubby "my baby's daddy"....are the INSECURE ones who have something to prove to "white people"--and usually, those type of blacks wish to BE white themselves.

I find it hard to believe that anyone with any real intelligence would be offended by a Harvard Graduate--MARRIED to her "baby's daddy"....being benevolent enough and politically astute enough to affirm the realities of so many black women who have no education, no men in their lives or their childrens' lives and who NEEDED that bit of affirmation/recognition from a sista on high.

Very rarely are single black mothers--most of whom MAKE A WAY OUT OF NO WAY every damned day of the week....given their props.

I know MANY "ghetto women" who hold down a job, go to school, singlehandedly feed and clothe their babies....and BLACK WOMEN in America have been doing this for DECADES.

Without much praise.

I loved Michelle Obama for having the presence of mind and "cultural caring" to use HER POSITION to affirm a ghetto saying.

And I greatly admire so called "ghetto blacks" FAR MORE than I do the black middle class. I love it that OBAMA is so very "Kenyan" and regal and presents himself as a man of his people.

FOR THAT..and because I so love his wife's grace and class, I will spend thousands to support him.




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Cynique
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Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 11:25 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, Moonsigns, as far as I'm concerned this is much ado about nothing since, as we agree, nobody knows how widespread the disapproval was of Michelle's remark. And who really cares about something this trivial? I think your reference to it says more about you than her. The "baby daddy" reference was no more of a faux pas than some of the things that Kerry's wife said, or what Laura Bush might say if she could ever stop smiling like an idiot and say anything.
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Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 06:55 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynique,

Beyond this discussion, Michelle's "baby daddy" comment is not a part of my daily thought pattern. Someone had mentioned it earlier in a thread and that is why I shared my feelings about it.

Laura Bush does say too little, which can be both good and bad. Kerry's wife said too much. I wouldn't have minded her hubby for president, but her as the first lady....that would have been something! LOL

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Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 07:53 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Moonsigns,

I agree with your contrast of Edwards and Obama. Though both men are unproven as leaders, Obama appears to have more innate Presidential timber.

And, actually, the smarter/better leader in the Edwards' household is his wife Elizabeth. That chick is smarter than a MOFO!

But really, the "baby daddy" thing is just a joke...between friends.

And when I see you (and other you White people) overreact to something as trivial as that, I can't help wondering whether you are building Obama up just so he'll have a higher pedestal from which you can knock him down from.


PS: My wife calls me her "baby daddy" all the time as a term of endearment. And after I received positive confirmation from the DNA tests, I learned to appreciate that.
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Moonsigns
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Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 09:36 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Abm,

Edward's wife is very intelligent and seems like a really nice woman! I pray she has a full recovery.

In regards to Obama's wife, I totally understand your perspective (as well a Cyniques) because I, as well as my (close) girlfriends, will use it jokingly. I just don't think it's something to say in a public arena--there is a time and place for everything.

You seem to suggest that by me saying I didn't like what she said, that blacks in public office should be held to different standards than non-blacks when it comes to their conduct/speech. I don't care if it's Mrs. Heinz-Kerry who makes a unwarranted comment, or Obama's wife. If it's unwarranted, it's unwarranted. While I know both women are more than the sum of some of the things they say, other's don't realize this. Their actions have the potential to negatively or positively influence their husband's careers. For Mrs. Heinz-Kerry, her mouth MAY have contributed to her husband's loss.

I don't have any reason to knock Obama off his pedestal. He appears to be a great man, however, he is a politician, and to me, the average politician is self-serving. I don't give a shyt what race/color they are, that is just how I feel!



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Abm
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Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 09:51 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Moonsigns,

Let it go, already!

This is NOT 1950's America. The way foks relate to each other is changing.

You are making too much of things. What Mrs. Obama said was funny, relevant and...MOST importantly...TRUE. You persnickety White foks need to get over it.

And that includes your obsession with Heinz-Kerry, which is also has a prejudice aura about it.

And EVERYBODY'S "self-serving". You are. As am I. So I don't expect any special brand of altruism from politicians, because they are only human just like the rest of us.

All I requires is that their self-interests coincide with the most vital interests of myself and those of the rest of us.
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Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 09:55 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Umph! umph! umph! TELL IT AGAIN ABM!

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