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Crystal
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Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 03:33 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Anyone watch it? Yes, I was at the Coliseum that day [and all the subsequent Wattstax concerts] and this program really brought back the memories. I had forgotten how beautiful we all looked. My son was so envious of everybody’s big hair. He’s been letting his grow for several months now and it’s getting there.

Richard Pryor is a GENIUS! I remember going to see him at a black club on Crenshaw Bl. back in the day. One of my friends fell off her chair onto the floor she was laughing so hard. He clowned her – real bad!

One thing I noticed – they covered up all the cuss words except bitch and nigger. Hmmmm. Of course if they had covered those too there would have been no point in showing Richard.
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Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 12:35 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Crystal:

I didn't see the repeat but I remember going to the show and seeing it when it originally came out--ah, gone are the days.
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Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 07:55 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They re-run one of Richard's comedy specials on cable all the time. The one where he had just recovered from catching himself on fire. Is that the one you're talkin about? Pryor was really a trailblazer in the stand-up comedy field.
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Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:00 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey Cynique. No, the Wattstax program on PBS is about the concert put on by Stax Records after the Watts riots. Part of the program was of folks talking about the problems that made the riot and they had large segments with Richard - very funny. I've seen the show you're talking about but he was much funnier before the fire. People like to compare Eddie Murphy and Chris Rock to him but they aren't even close.
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Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:35 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Crystal,

I agree. Pryor was and is an original.

I think it is because he projected a uniquely evocative aura (from his birth, thru his salacious rearing, to his eventual triumphant and then tragedies) about him that radiated from his comedy that was akin to a comedy-tragedy on a scale that even Shakespeare himself might tell had he chose to write a tale about an American Black man.
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Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:37 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Pryor was great because he, unlike anyone before or since, told the truth about Black people, White people, America...and himself.
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Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:03 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've not seen Wattstax yet, but i've seen his other standup shows. Pryor is definitely a gem.

I think that Eddie is a veeerrry funny comedian. Lately though, he's been taking roles that do nothing for his comedic style. He is no Richard Pryor, but he is veeeeeeeeery funny. I loved delirious and raw!

Chris Rock is funny. Chris Tucker (was??) Cedric the Entertainer? Ricky Smiley? Steve Harvey? Bernie!!!!!! D.L.?

Do we have many comedian's these days doin' it like Pryor and Redd were doing it then and how Eddie did it in the 80's? What is the difference in the styles and longevity factor?

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Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:17 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hello Bleek. Richard's style was like he was just sitting around talking shyt with his buddies. Very real and natural. The ones you name above seem to work too hard at it. Especially Chris Rock - seems like he's always waiting for folks to laugh at his punch line. I agree early Eddie was good. I think D.L. is the worst - how many white folks jokes can you hear?
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Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:18 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Rock is excellent, though at times a tad 'preachy' for my tastes. Tucker was pretty much a one-trick-pony who was smart enuff to cash in on his limitations. Cedric is fine and multitalented (Frankly, I believe that he would be a bigger star were he thinner.). Steve Harvey, good...though limited. Bernie, funnier more authentic version of Harvey.

But Dave Chappell is probably my favorite comedian going today. I enjoy him most because he's a wiz at that special brand of sketch comedy (which is about as good as that of the heyday of "In Living Color") that that conveys both truthful yet hilarious aspects of race relations.

The "Race Draft" sketch he did that recently aired on his cable program was PRICELESS. The "I'm Rick James B@#$%" stuff was funny too.


Oh, though he doesn't get the credit his brother does, Charlie Murphy (a regular on Chappell's show) is in his own way as funny as his more famous brother Eddie.
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Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 01:53 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OH!!!! Thanks Abm. How could I forget about Chappelle!! And you are right! The "Race Draft" was the funniest!!
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We can certainly credit Pryor with the white guy/black guy schtick that's so over-worked nowadays. Every comic since Richard has fallen back on the ol comic ploy of imitating how a white guy reacts to something as opposed to how brotha would react. I agree, that Chris Rock does tend to be constantly seeking the audience's approval of what he's saying. There is little bit of anxiety about his delivery. I like Cedric The Entertainer. He's a naturally funny person, and wry humor is definitely Dave Chappell's forte. Also, the black guy Alonzo who was the runner-up on the "Last Comic Standing" TV show was quite good. A very smooth delivery.
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Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 04:37 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And please let us not forget Paul Mooney! Marvelous!
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Mooney is indeed marvelously insightful and funny. But he often appears a bit meanspirited.

I'm not sure I would 'like' Mooney were I to meet him because he often comes off as being a bit haughty even to the people he's suppose to be entertaining.

But contrast him with with Pryor. Richard pretty much said (and even did) everything Mooney talked about. Yet somehow you still ended up loving him in spite of himself.
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Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 04:53 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynique,

I don’t fault comedians for plying the race-based field. Because, really, the whole notion of people being so different is so paradoxically true yet ridiculous, how could ANYONE avoid it.

But I agree comedians are refrying beans that have already been spat out by others time/time again.

Because while I think there still is a lot of very furtile ground concerning race-based issues. I also think many who become comedians are not themselves adequately familiar with the vast/varied expressions of racial relations and contrasts (especially as such might manifest themselves on fairly insular communities like Wall Street, pro sports teams, medical schools/hospitals, etc.).

I think were comedians themselves enjoyed more diverse training/experience, race-related jokes would appear fresher.
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Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 10:10 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Crystal:

Actually the concert was put on some years after the Watts riots--1971-72 and those riots occured in 1965 if I recall. I remember Jesse Jackson, Isaac Hayes, a bunch of other people.

Pryor was also a great because he did characters and really got into them and brought them to life. He did owe a lot in his approach to the Jewish comedian, Lenny Bruce, who was hounded to his death for doing routines that people are making fortunes doing now (he also was a dope addict, which didn'thelp)

Cynque:

Godfrey Cambridge, Nipsey Russell and Dick Gregory were doing the white guy/black guy shtick before Richard. You gots to know your comedy!

Bleek:

Paul Mooney is one of those guys who just never got it together. He was one of the writers on the original Richard Pryor show and contributed I think to Blazing Saddles and a lot of trail blazing stuff--but he seems to suffer from the same thing Sinbad and a lot of other comedians do--they just get up and riff. People say Pryor did that but his riffs were carefully honed and worked out before you saw them or heard them on records.

Paul, Sinbad, and some of these other guys need to get real and start writing routines or doing like a lot of older comedians used to--break down and have people write routines or jokes for them.

Comedy is very serious business!
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Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 10:31 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi Chris,

I met Paul Mooney a few years ago and cussed his ass out the first 20 minutes of his comedy routine--I was sitting at the front row table with my agent(a handsome white Jewish guy back then) and Paul had them put the spotlight on me and grunted some crap at me about sellout black women and he called "Pochahantos" a sellout "bitch"....GOOD LORD...did he regret that.

I stood up and tore into his ass so viciously...all he could do was bring me on stage, kiss me and hug me and apologize....PROFUSELY. He's tall and very sweet. We hugged a long time and then he pretended that our fight was "choreographed". As I sit back down, he told the audience, "My daughter by Kizzy, ladies and gentlemen!"

Some young high yellow girl way in the back tried to stand up and disrespect me ("Why don't she go back to Africa!")... but Paul shut her jealous white look'n self up.



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Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 12:46 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Chris: yeah you're right [as usual!?]. The riot was in August of '65 and it took us a while to sweep up and organize things for the concert at the colisum but I believe the annual Watts Festival had started a few years before.

Walter Mosley's latest book Little Scarlet is set at the end of the riots and he does a good job describing it.
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While we're giving props to all of these male comedians we should certainly recognize Moms Mabley who was genuinely funny. And, Chris, I wouldn't say that Pryor "owed" his approach to Lenny Bruce. Pryor was pretty original; he wasn't emulating anybody.
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Cynique Cynique Cynique:

(Cynique, Cynique-nique-nique!)

Pryor himself has spoken of his debt to Lenny Bruce. I suppose he doesn't know who he owes a debt to. I remember when Rich started out he was imitating Bill Cosby ("My name is Rumpelsti-skin an' I'm a meany!")--which he admitted to also.
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Lenny Bruce may have opened the door for Pryor to do "blue" material but did he inspire him to adopt the anecdotal style????? Actually, most comedians incorporate story-telling into their routines, dating back to vaudville days so to say that Lenny Bruce originated this approach and inspired others is giving credit where credit is not due.
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Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 10:08 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynique, Cynique, Cynique
Cynique, Cynique-nique nique

Do I have to do you like I did with the "Bird With Strings" album?
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Why do you always need help to say nothing? I don't think some link will disprove what I said. Pryor may "owe" some aspects of his style to Lenny Bruce, but Lenny Bruce wasn't the originator of anecdotal comedy.
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Miss_wysteria

When you go to a comedy show, a comedy show where Paul Mooney will be performing and sit in the front row with a white man (not that i'm saying that there is anything wrong with that) don't/didn't you expect that reaction from Mooney? Comedians call out the interracial "couple" often.

Did you feel as though you overreacted after all was said and done? After all, DEM JES JOKES!!

Bleek-


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Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 01:28 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynique:

Read it and weep






Interviewed here:
Sherry Davey
Judah Friedlander
Al Martin
Richard Pryor


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Richard Pryor

Richard Pryor’s impact on the art of stand-up comedy is immeasurable. Through blunt observations told through the commoner’s language, Pryor shed light on a variety of issues ranging from race and drugs to politics and human nature. He had the incredible knack of showing his audiences that there always is a positive within the negative. Everyone connected through his comedic genius, regardless of their backgrounds or beliefs. Richard Pryor is the greatest stand-up comedian who has ever lived…period.

Pryor has battled the demons of drug abuse throughout his life, nearly dying in 1980 after setting himself on fire while freebasing. Instead of wallowing in pity, Pryor used tragedy as the basis of his act, and through his pain, he made us laugh. Across his amazing career, Pryor reached deep inside, pulled out the most horrific personal details of his life and cleaned out his closet on stage with a brash comedic style that was as vulgar and cutting-edge as it was brilliant and masterful. His honesty made us wince while laughing aloud, as we all saw ourselves inside of him. He was a comedian unafraid to expose his blemishes, often saying things that were far removed from established comfort zones. He was honest about dishonesty and bravely spoke of his cowardliness, and through this very imperfect man came perfect comedy. As Pryor once said, “What I’m saying might be profane, but it is also profound.”

Pryor now battles Multiple Sclerosis, a disease that affects a person’s coordination and muscle strength, also causing mood shifts and depression. While he may not bask in the spotlight anymore, Pryor’s comedy and movies continue to live on, and his extraordinary, breakthrough comedy will remain legendary.

Two Drink Minimum had the privilege of obtaining a brief Q&A with Mr. Pryor via e-mail on April 12.

Your comedy is fearless and personal; you exposed everything for your audience. How therapeutic was this for you?

It saved my life.

Was there anything that you wished you didn’t say on stage? Did you ever go too far?

No, although after Africa I chose to stop using the word “nigger.”

Please give me the Richard Pryor definition of the word “funny.”

Anything that makes you laugh. Like this question.

What’s funny to you these days?

Anything that makes me laugh.

How important is “shock value” in a stand-up set?

I don’t believe in shock value just for shock value, something many young comics need to understand.

How do you know if a joke is going to work before you take the stage?

I don’t. I find out onstage. That’s the whole point of woodshedding.

What do you do when the audience doesn’t get it?

Move on.

How important is it for a comic to push the audience and challenge it to think?

Makes for hipper comedy, I think.

How many times have you pissed off an audience with your comedy?

Who cares?

Do you have any regrets about your career?

As Edith Piaf said, “I regret nothing.”

What was the one defining moment of your career?

When I slipped on dog shit at age four and everyone laughed. And when I walked offstage in Las Vegas.

What young comics do you like these days?

Dave Chappelle, Colin Quinn, Cedric the Entertainer.

Who were your comedy influences?

Lenny Bruce, Moms Mabley, and when I was very young, Bob Newhart.

What is your take on the FCC and this current “War on Indecency?”

It’s fucked up.

Who’s better for comedy, George Bush or John Kerry? And why?

George Bush. Because he’s an idiot.

What do you love most about stand-up comedy?

The immediate feedback...and the pussy.

www.richardpryor.com

- Don Sill





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Cynique,

Uh oh. Look like Chris dun caught you with your slip showin'.


Chris,

I find it interesting that Pryor includes Newhart among his influences. I'll bet Pryor admired Newhart's comedic subtlety and efficiency. He could make even the most mundane things seem funny just via an expression on his face or the way he would hesitate in his delivery (Ellen DeGeneres is similarly skilled.) Newhart is really a comedic marvel. He was the master of understatement. Hewhart could make you laugh almost without saying/doing ANYTHING.
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Abm and Cynique:

And I did not know about that particular interview when I made that statement, I had heard the great Pryor say that during a program on Lenny Bruce.

Check out some of Bruce's work if you ever get the chance. He was a funny mofo.

Abm:

For a dry white man, that Newhart was funny when he did those telephone bits (was that on Steve Allen). Remember he would be taking calls from historical figures? He was funny on that show where he was the psychiatrist, too.
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Cynique:

Is it because I am smarter than you? No, I am assuredly not smarter than you? Is it because I have greater computer skills? No, your computer skills dwarf mine. Is it because I can dance better than you?--Well I can dance better than you, but that isn't it either.

It is because my heart is pure.
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Gimme a break, Chrishayden. No where in that interview does Richard say whether he was influenced by Lenny Bruce's style or by Bruce's bold excursion into the field of "blue" comedy. I still suspect it was the latter. You do know what "blue" comedy is, don't you. My problem with you is that you believe everything you read. I think for myself, and I am certain that Lenny Bruce followed in the tradition of Yiddish comics who were all great story tellers, so he didn't orginate this style which was my original contention. (Jeeze. Crystal said you were right about something and it really went to your head.)
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Cynique,

Don't sweat Chris. After all, it has taken him years to FINALLY catch you with your panties down. So you know he's gonna wanna paddle you a bit. But chill. After all, who knows? You may come to like it.


Chris,

Uh...sorry dude. Don't go quite as far back as the Steve Allen Show (JEEZ! Didn't he pre-date Johnny Carson). Most of what I know about Newhart concerns his TV career. But I have seen clips of his earlier stuff on cable (TV Land, I think). And some of that stuff was (corny, yet) funny.
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The world according to Abm. Yawnnn. He surely must wear thick glasses. Either that or his laser surgery didn't work.
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"The world according to [Cynique]. [YIKES!]. [She] surely must wear [wigs]. Either that or [her hair extensions fell off.]"
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Wigs don't have anything to do with how a person sees the world, dummy.
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Cynique,

Wearing a wig says A LOT about how "a person sees the world (and herself), Special Ed.
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Cynique
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Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 05:50 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Really? since I don't wear a wig, I wouldn't know. Your explanation sounds like psycho-babbo to me, Retard.
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Troy
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Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 05:56 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Richard is my man pre Africa trip. I don't think there was anyone, of any race, funnier.

Robin Harris, now that brother was poised for greatness -- not as funny as Rich, but he was just getting started.

Paul Mooney plays "Negrodamaus": Someone asks Negrodamaus; "Negrodamaus, how did Bush know Saddam had weapons of mass destruction?" Negrodamaus replies, "He had the receipt". That was probably the funniest thing I ever heard Mooney say.

Dave Chappell he got the juice now, but he has a long way to go to be as funny a stand up as Richarch Pryor. The "Race Draft" was funny though -- I'd don't what y'all say I ain't trading Condi Rice for no emenem!

But this was about WattStax. Man I wish I saw the PBS broadcast. I saw the movie in the theater when I was a kid. I loved that movie! I was already a fan of The staple singers and the movie was the first time I was their images. I have not seen it since it came out over 30 years ago. I see it is on DVD now -- if you wanna buy it visit here http://aalbc.com/cgi/aalbcamazonproductsfeed.cgi?locale=us&input_string=B000294U 6E&mode=dvd

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Abm
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Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 06:00 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I should have figured as much. Cuz you usually haftah have SOME hair to firmly attach a wig to it. But hey, I hear that Rogaine stuff works for women too. So maybe you can use that to grow just enuff to attach a piece of Korean hair. Okay, Sinead O'Connor?
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Abm
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Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 06:07 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Troy,

Dang! I (sadly) forgot about Robin Harris. He was was funnier than I mofo. I think all the gigs that Bernie Mack is getting Harris probably would have already scored by now.

I hear you. I think I'd keep Condi too. I guess it's that whole "Black woman singing Russian love songs to me" fantasy that I can't quite get over.

But Chapelle's skit with Chinese delegation drafting the Wu Tang crew was PRICELESS. HAHA!
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Crystal
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Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 08:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Troy: Yep, yep, Staple Singers, Issac Hayes - chains and all, Rufus Thomas doing the Funky Chicken and Jessie Jackson looking fine with his hair all big. Man, what a day!

Robin Harris and Bebe's Kids - classic.
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Carey
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Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2004 - 02:35 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bernie gets mine. He's got that cool thang with his humor. But man, that part he played in "Life" was funny as hell. He's on. His TV thang ain't hittin' on too much. He probably ain't writing that corny mess. I don't know if y'all been noticing but the brotha be clean too, I mean KLEEEEN. I know A_Womon knows what I'm talking about. Then again everybody probably does. There's just something about us, we will get are hair done and put on some cold gear and walk around the corner and jump in a hoopdee *smile*. Come on now, hey, done done it. Yes sir buddy, couldn't nobody tell me I wasn't clean and didn't have five cents in my pocket. But hey, the women didn't know that and to tell the truth, they didn't care....what. Brotha step up in the jount with that look and lookout, somebody gonna get jealous tonite. Come on now, I ain't lying. y'all know I ain't . I bet some of you ladies perfected the note pass thang. Shoot, slip that thang right in the cuff like it's been practiced. How about the walk to the restroom thang *smile*. Ain't no more had to use the rest room than the man on the moon. My thang was........damn, I almost got carried away for a minute. Time for me to go to bed.

Carey

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