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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 683
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 10:26 am: | 
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My (many) discussions with Yukio, the Cosby flap and current talks between Moonsigns and A_womon and Yukio have recently caused me to ponder the following:
It is interesting how the young often accuse their elders of being condescending and the elders decry the hostility of their juniors. I am unclear whether the opinions of either or both generations are valid. Upon first thought, I might assert the young overestimate the values of their budding knowledge and experience and mistakenly shirk the lessons/blessings passed on to them from their parents. And the elders erroneously reject that a changing times demands their children evolve into something other than mere facsimile themselves and forget that they too once appeared as stridently defiant of their parents as their children now appear to them.
But there seems to be one constant among everyone: Contemptuous blame for the prior and succeeding generation(s). Upon THAT, almost ALL of us agree.
Is the current strife within the Black community simply a current manifestation of the (perpetual) generation gap? Or is the gulf between son, mother and grandfather greater than it has ever been? And why do you think/feel as you do? |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 510
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 11:05 am: |
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Abm:
As between the baby boomer and hip hop generations, it is a current manisfestation of the perpetual generation gap, but it has been exascerbated by the much greater incidence of divorce and single family homes among the boomers.
Many boomers have commented particularly on the hostility for older males the hip hop males have--all I can say is what I said to the more virulent "men-ain't-no-good" crusaders among the boomer women-- "I ain't the one who did you wrong. You need to go get that mf and call him out."
Just wait--the hip hoppers (1963-1980) are turning 40--they are getting ready to get in for it themselves from their children (what will will call them? The Post 9/11 generation?) and we , foxy grandparents, can sit back and watch the show. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 963
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 12:09 pm: |
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Can you imagine what the "Depression" babies think of all this? I can. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 688
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 12:32 pm: |
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Chris,
Hmm? You make some sage and provocative observations. I agree our fractured familial structure has widened/deepened the chasm between mother and child. In fact, in many communities, the only behest passed from sire to son are genes, anger and an occassional child support check.
I especially appreciate your point that hip/hopper are themselves about to catch it from their kids. (A_womon, your set is about to find out whether you can take-it as well as you dish-it. Hehe!) Man, I hope increasing instances of intra-familial slayings don't ensue.
I would also add that the young dissatisifaction with their elders may also stem from their becoming acquainted how the national/global economic system works, and they decry their elders relatively impotent positioning with the world's economy. Moreover, it is difficult to reinforce standards of patience, hardwork, duty/obedience, decorum and education when their kids are constantly made to witness people (e.g., Snoop Dog, teenage NBA'er Labron James, 50-Cents, Ludacris, etc.) who appear to enjoy great wealth/fame without strictly observing all (if any) such tenets. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 689
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 12:35 pm: |
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Cynique says: "Can you imagine what the "Depression" babies think of all this?"
ABM says: ~I hope that nurse comes back soon to change my Depends.~ |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 511
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 01:14 pm: |
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Cynique:
Having had it out with us in the 60's, and seeing what their mindless opposition wrought, those of them that CAN still think should be coming forth to mediate the conflict.
But as Abm said, they have other things on their minds--like meeting their makers. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 696
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 01:27 pm: |
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Chris,
Thanks. You are one of the FEW +40 year old will at least take SOME of the gruff for what's going on now. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 965
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 03:47 pm: |
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I am a "Depression" era baby and so are many of my friends, and we bear no resemblance to your stereotyped concept. And we also think all the generations who came after us, pretty much suck. heh-heh |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 512
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 04:13 pm: |
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Cynique:
"God is Dead"
F. Nietzche
"F. Nietzche is dead"
God |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 706
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 04:46 pm: |
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Cynique says: "...we also think all the generations who came after us, pretty much suck."
ABM says: Of course, you gottah know that many of us born in the modern America epoch harbor similar feelings about many of you born in Prehistoric times. <hehe> |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 967
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 06:07 pm: |
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I know, Abm. That's why you suck. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 968
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 06:10 pm: |
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But Super bitch is alive and kicking, Chris. She got it like dat. |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 444
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 06:53 pm: |
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I don't know what the HELL yall talkin bout! I aint bout to find out nothin!! Number 1. I AINT got a child and aint trynna have NONE!!
Number 2 I was born in 1981 which makes me 23, I aint gone see 40 for another 17 years!!! HAHA! and neither is anyone else born in the eighties!!! yall can't add........... |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 707
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 12:00 am: |
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A_womon,
Slow it down a tick or 2, Baby Girl. No one is exclaiming that YOU are old. But I think Chris was saying that even your hip/hop generation is beginning to age.
Sugar Hill Gang, Grand Master Flash, Melle Mel, Curtis Blow and Russell Simmons are over 40. Run/DMC and Dr. Dre are 40. Snoop is +35.
So, like the rest of us, even they (and eventually you) will have to answer to their kids for the mess that we all have helped make of the world.
Cynique,
Correction: I NEVER "suck". But I LOVE to 'lick'. <wink!> |
A_womon
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Username: A_womon
Post Number: 446
Registered: 05-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 12:10 am: |
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ABM
Ok I get it now, I jumped the gun, I guess I thought chris was saying that all those born 1963 to 1980 were about to turn 40 and that we had kids and ...oh I don't know..ok I read it wrong...sorry!!
Hey, abm did you hear about the NJ Governor who was on the down low??? Aint that some ish!? |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 709
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, August 13, 2004 - 12:29 am: |
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A_womon,
Kewl.
Hey. Yeah, my wife and I were crackin' up about the NJ gov. about an hour ago. Kinda makes you wonder how many other big league politicos are engaged in similarly clandestine dealings. Doesn't it? |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 515
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 10:36 am: |
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See there, Abm. McGreevy. A white man on the down low.
But listent to you and Oprah, its just the brothers. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 715
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 11:41 am: |
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Chris,
My issue has not been primarily about whether or not and/or to what degree Black men are on the DL. Nor have I argued 'we' are exclusively engaged as such.
The REAL issue is whether this DL phenomenon is contributing to the growing incident of HIV/AIDS amongst Black women/children. I think that were their no HIV/AIDS, this would be hardly worthy the rampant discussion it continues to engender. |
Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 632
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 01:32 am: |
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hmmm...it is generational. Also, those post- civil rights generations bear a burden that others did not, which is the illusion of the eradification of jim and jane crow and the responsibility and expectation of success. Another thought: African americans are really young as a group...what? Almost 400 yrs ol? We have yet to have a real middle class(though we've always had a quite small middle class even during slavery)...i'm speakin of wealth not salary...and unlike jews we seem to have forgotten to maintain a cultural group consciousness...hence, black institutions have whithered and the natural and normative generation gap is intensified, for we do not know eachother nor provide for eachother. How else does a rather religious community brake from an destructive values? Not just the poor but the high salaried...the only differnce is that the latter can OFTEN afford what they consume...
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Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 519
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 11:37 am: |
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Yukio:
Damn, you are transmitting in the clear again. Keep on that path. It leads to righteousness. |
Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 634
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 01:39 pm: |
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chrishayden: again, eh? considering the thread, should i take this as advice from an older person or advice from a colleague...
abm: i tend not to confuse age with wisdom.... |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 764
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 04:14 pm: |
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Yukio,
Then with what do you "confuse" "wisdom"?
"Education"?
"Verbosity"?
"Dogma"?
"Stubborness"? |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 524
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 04:59 pm: |
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Yukio:
You should take it as advice from a Boss playa |
Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 639
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 05:13 pm: |
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abm: hmmmm...none of those words would I confuse w/wisdom.
Why did u chose those words? I chose mine because your initial post suggests a relationship between age and wisdom(lessons/blessings). My point to you was that wisdom can come from anyone, for it is the experience not the age that provides the resource for sagacity.
chrishayen: haha....yes, sir. |
Lambd
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Username: Lambd
Post Number: 339
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 07:45 am: |
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Where exactly is Saga City, anyway? If Abm goes there will he finally get some experience with wisdom? |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 775
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 02:40 pm: |
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Yukio,
True wisdom requires at least some time, which is accompanied by age, to place experiences within broader, more complete context and perspectives.
Lambd,
Well, wherever it is, I hope it ain’t anywhere near Lame@$$ Loser Lambd Lane (Hey look, Lame@'...uh...I mean, Lambd. That's some good "alliteration"!) |
Yukio
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Username: Yukio
Post Number: 645
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 03:39 pm: |
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abm: no doubt.
There is no formula for wisdom, really. Personally, my experience has been that people w/wisdom can give it and take it, regardless of age; others, on the other hand, who oft confuse their age w/ wisdom can only hear themselves, and they are often dependent on giving their socalled wisdom to reinforce to others and themselves a sense of personal integrity. I see this more often in men than women...just some thoughts. |
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