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Chrishayden
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Post Number: 157
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 11:49 am: | 
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What do y'all think of blacks and skiing. Granted Africans and skiing go way back, probably thousands of years and my grandaddy used to regale me with tales of him and his buddies on the slopes down in the Mississippi delta (all very sarcastically)
What do you think of it? Can a black person actually grow attached to the sport and genuinely seek the joys of sliding down hills at dangerous speeds, risking avalanches, broken limbs and getting strung up by Colorado mountain men?
Or is they just tryin to be white? |
Kc_trudiva
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chris: this is the new craze for Black folk and i don't think it's considered a "tryin to be white" behavior. they are merely tryin something new. there are Black ski clubs all over the place. i have friends who join just to travel to the many place these clubs go and i have others who thoroughly enjoy skiing as a sport.
i too have joined the ranks of belonging to a ski club but have yet to gather enough nerves to put on a pair of skis. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 04:06 pm: |
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Well, skiing can certainly provide black folks with something to do between watching hockey games. |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 04:40 pm: |
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Yeah, and after they do that they can sit around singing to their Burl Ives records and bobbing for apples. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 11:39 am: |
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Yes, there are probably some Blacks who enjoy skiing as much as Whites. But Blacks tend to like cold weather less than Whites do. Also, skiing can be dangerous. And, unless there’s some potential material/financial benefit, Blacks tend to avoid frivolously risky activities.
Lastly, many Black ski primarily for the same reason many Blacks play golf: It is considered to be a sport for the affluent/successful.
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Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 11:53 am: |
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I can see blacks playing golf. There are golf courses everywhere, even in the inner cities. Blacks have been around golf for a long time, and they ain't got nothing else to do on the green since they did away with caddies (hyuk hyuk hyuk).
I can see ice skating. In the wintertime here in St. Louis, I can go to Steinberg rink, about half hour away from my house, rent some skates for a few bucks, skate around. But skiing. I mean you gotta go up on a mountain where don't nobody live in all of the white states in order to do that. YOu gotta spend hundreds of dollars (thousands) go miles and miles to ski--of course James Brown was in that movie, "Ski Party". Maybe that's when black folks got the bug. |
Akaivyleaf
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I'll pass on the skiing thing. I don't like cold, its nice to look at on TV but I moved to the south and I'm willing to move further south to avoid any contact between my skin and snow.
I'll pass on golf too. What is the point to following a little ball around grassy hills and valleys trying to knock it into a little hole. The only thing I like about golf is the cart and that is only because I fancy myself a shade tree mechanic and it has an engine I can tinker with while you're off chasing that ball.
And while were at it... running hurdles in track. I can see (barely) running around a track, but to purposely put an obstical in my way that I must jump over every 3 or 5 steps is not the smartest way I could utilize my leg muscles.
Can you tell yet that I'm not the atheletic type? |
Troy
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 05:17 pm: |
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Chris, Chris Chris...
I actually enjoy skiing very much. I even got my girls into it.
It has nothing to do with trying to act white.
It is exepensive. As a result, I only go out about twice a year with the family.
I live in the north east and have skiied in PA, NY, VT all within 90 minutes to 5 hours away.
I've skiied in UT -- my ultimate experince.
I do not play golf unless it is a business outing with plenty of beer. Other than that, I do not have the patience that golf requires and I'm not willing to invest the time, or money, to become good enough to enjoy it sans the brew.
Of course the majority of skiiers are white. white people have a disproportinate amount of money, relative to Black folks and consequently are more likely to have friends who would turn them onto skiing.
It is a factor of, money, not race that determines the skier demographic. There are plenty of white people who hate the cold too.
Chris have you ever tried skiing?
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Jmho
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Troy wrote:
Chris have you ever tried skiing?
Troy, hasn't Chris comments answered this question?
You mention, cost, and yes it's rather expensive, but also I think where people live is a factor. The same with those who live near water are more likely to engage in sports or activities associated with water, especially beyond swimming.
And, Chris, if you don't want to go flying down a hill, you can always go cross country skiing. It's also a great form of excercise. But you still got to watch out for those trees ... even if you're headed straight towards one and yell loudly for it to move out of your way. It won't.  |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 10:36 am: |
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Troy:
Ain't tried it. Ain't going to. Everybody else can do it all they want.
All I ask is that they let me sign them up on a life insurance policy as with me as sole beneficiary. |
Akaivyleaf
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I disgree Troy with the issue of money. I believe that people expend funds on what they want to do, no matter how expensive the hobby is. People who like to travel spend great sums on going to exotic places. People who like to gamble can spend a fortune on going to Biloxi and Las Vegas and any close by Indian Reservation.
I think skiing and other adventure hobbies have a lot to do with where you grew up and what you're used to being around.
I have family in Northern Wisconsin/Southern Canada and aside from me making it a point to NEVER visit them between Thanksgiving and the spring thaw in April they participate in Skiing, snowboarding, snomobiling, ice fishing, ice hockey, ice skating because that is what people tend to do in that region.
I have family that are beach bums in Hilton Head. Call them on their cell phone because they are going to be on the beach or participating in some water sport like water skiing, snorkeling, somebody is even talking about getting Scuba certified, they take trips to coral reefs because that is what they are used to.
Me, I grew up on the banks of the Mighty Mississippi. I saw snow, hated it so I moved as far away from it as possible as SOON as I was old enough to leave home. I'm not to proud to say that the activities when I was growing up consisted of going to the river to fish for Catfish and Buffalo (yup there is a fish called Buffalo that I haven't found anyplace but home), we could watch monster trucks, we drove as fast as we pleased and then faster, we swam in anything big enough to hold the water and us- including the river, we climbed bluffs, went in caves, we rode paddle boats and it wasn't about affording anything, that is what people did for entertainment in the area I was in.
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Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 12:48 pm: |
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I don't know why you wouldn't be proud of the activities you participated in along the banks of the Mississippi, Akaivyleaf. Sounds like a rather carefree idyllic life to me. Count me among those whose interest in skiing is nil. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 12:54 pm: |
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ABM=
Troy,
Come on. Let’s keep it all real. Shall we? Why don’t you go on and admit you are ‘big money grip’ who can go shushing down the slopes in CO any day/time you prefer (and you ‘summer’ on your mansion in Martha’s Vineyard).
I am with you with the golf+beer thing. I don’t know if I have EVER been sober on a golf course. Otherwise, I enjoy golf about as much as I do watching leaves fall from trees.
Akaivyleaf,
Too bad you didn’t run track. I ran sprints/hurdles in High School >20 years ago. And even now women 1/2 my age compliment me on how ‘purdy’ my legs are. I have found ‘other’ ways to more effectively "utilize [some] my leg muscles." But I should probably leave ‘that’ alone.
Chris,
Too late. I have already taken a policy out on Troy. ("Go on, Troy. I think you will do just FINE in ESPN’s Extreme Sports Snowboarding Competition.") |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 01:26 pm: |
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Akaivyleaf,
I agree with Cynique. Sounds like you had quite a healthy/hardy upbringing. I too am from from Mississippi (‘The Delta’) and enjoyed some of what you referred to. I can recall, as forms of sport, chasin’ chickens and being chased by snakes.
And I too haven’t had ANY Buffalo fish outside of Mississipppi. |
Linda
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 01:49 pm: |
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Well let me tell you folks. My girlfriend here in Indianapolis loves buffalo fish, eats it all the time and is also from the Delta. A little place called Round Lake. I must admit I had never eaten it before meeting her having been born and raised in Cincy and I really still can't handle the after taste. But none-the-less it is surprising sold all around Indianapolis.
As for skiing I agree with Akaivyleaf. It is not the expense, but the love one must have for the experience of trying to avoid those trees.
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Akaivyleaf
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 02:19 pm: |
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Ummm... actually I ran track, I used to run the 100, the 500 relay and I did those damn hurdles for like 3 days. I was ok with running the hurdles until I jumped over the first one, came down and was running toward the second one, made it over barely, my toe clipped the thing and the third one, well I liked to ruined my "purdy" little face. That was the end of them, best move them out of the way if you want me to run with any competitiveness.
I'm not from Mississippi, I'm from the banks of the Mississippi- East St. Louis, Illinois ooh and I forgot to mention crawdads in the creek in the park behind my house.
I'm so glad that somebody else has heard of buffalo fish. People here in Atlanta look at me like I'm crazy. I'll admit to being a little touched but glad to see I haven't tipped all the way over to crazy yet. |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 02:27 pm: |
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All:
I had me some buffalo fish last week. A sandwich with a big onion. Mmmmm! Gotta watch out for those bones, though. I think I'm gonna go git me some more.
Akaivyleaf: You must have been one of those world class, Illinois state champion every year winninn Lincoln High School track stars.
All--see I can see all those activities that Akaivyleaf spoke about--they are cheap, they are engaged in by black folk, and they take place in a warm climate. You can be out, walking around or riding around in your car and fall into such activities.
You gotta really look to go skiing--this is something you don't fall into by accident unless you live in Norway or Switzerland or something-- and you gotta go into the whitest states in the Union to do it. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 02:42 pm: |
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Buffalo fish is not unheard of in these parts, either. But I prefer catfish because, as Chris says, buffalo has too many bones for me. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 04:10 pm: |
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Akaivyleaf,
Sorry I missed read your posts. Now that you mention it, I remember you saying you were from East St. Louie. (Why is it everytime I hear someone is from ESL, I want to ask them did/do they know Al & Jackie Joyner [Kersey])?)
Linda,
It’s funny how tastes can differ. Because I’m not aware of Buffalo having an ‘after taste’.
Funny what you all say about the hazards of eating Buffalo. I remember when I was a lil’ kid, my big mama (grandmother) would sort the bones from cooked Buffalo before she’s let me eat. I remember being SO PISSED at her for doing that until I tried eating the fish on my own...and got a bone stuck in my throat.
Chris,
I think what you had is more properly termed a ‘samich’.
BTW: Isn't it interesting how this discussion has 'evolved' from "sking" to "golf" to "track" to "Buffalo fish"? |
Linda
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ABM
Could be my northern taste buds. I feel the same way about catfish. However, I love mudbugs and crab claws from the gulf. |
Linda
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ABM
Could be my city taste buds. But I feel the same way about catfish. It's kind of an oily-greasy taste. However I love mudbugs and crab claws from the gulf. Now that is real eating. |
Linda
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Sorry for double posting. LOL |
Yukio
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hmmmm...interesting conversation...you all are talkin bout the continuities, discontinuities, and recreation of black culture through sport and cuisine...as well as through regional class values...what middle class folk do in virginia will be different from what they do in detroit or new york, etc....this is true with one's taste buds...the overlap between black southern cuisines and northern, midwestern...etc...how particular southern states are closer to water and how seafood is prepared different throughout the south, etc.influences the food of the state that they may have migrated to....folk from alambama in chitown...then even a mixture of what was already in chitown with what migrated from the south...etc...this is how difference is produced within sameness... |
Lambd
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Yukio, you kill me wit yo edjamacated ass! |
Cynique
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The scary thing is, I understand what Yukio is saying. "difference within sameness" Deep. Kinda Zen. |
Yukio
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Well...i thought the conversation tied in with the thread about whether whites could appreciate black literature.
Due to the diversity or heterogeniety within the community some folks would understand somethings better than others, although it is clear that we constitute a unified african american ethnicity or nationality.
Anyways, I felt that the diversity displayed by sport and cuisine were reflective of this "difference within sameness" that we call the african american identity. It is also related to an old conversation among myself, troy, and chrishayden about regional differences, as well as differences within regions, that contribute to black people having different cultural experiences and local cultures...or as I like to say we are part of the larger black nation, but some of us belong to a different clan as well as different tribes...consider chitown's style, ny style, detroit, philly, atl, st.louis, etc....slang is different, accents different, music different, but there is a sameness amongst us all; a thread that holds it all together, a long history of migrations, black folk maintaining family ties throughout different states, family reunions, marriages, fictive kin, etc....difference within sameness... |
Troy
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JMHO:
True most people do what is popular in the respective areas. But there is more to it...
AKAIVYLEAF:
It goes without saying "people expend funds on what they want to do" -- provided those funds are available. It is easy to say "no matter how expensive the hobby is". However in reality the vast majority of use have an upward bound on what we can spend.
Skiing is sufficently expensive that a lot of people can't afford it to do it. For example, take a poor kid (black or white) living in southern Florida. He has about the same chance of his family going on a ski weekend as I have of taking my family to the moon.
Of course you can find poor people who ski. They may live near and work at ski resorts and get to ski as a perk of the job.
What you like to do, where you live and the depth of your pockets are all factors.
Shoot I lived in southern Florida for over a year and never played golf in the state. I know plenty of folks you live in Manhattan and make special trips to Florida just to golf.
ABM:
While I've spent a few summer weeks in "The Vinyard" the properties where I stayed were rentals. No, I would never be the subject of a Lawrence Otis Graham book. My kids are not in Jack and Jill. There are more people in my family who have been to jail than to college. Argh, don't let me get started...
Yukio:
Does that sameness you reference in your pot above extend to the entire African diapora and Africa? (this is definitely a topic for a different thread). The economic distinction (and all that comes with it) is the source of some of the biggest cultural differences in Black folks and perhaps the most difficult to circumvent.
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Yukio
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troy: yes...the sameness does extend to africa and the diaspora. On the huge continent of africa there are many, many differences national and cultures among the innumerable tribes, but because of the regional, trade relations, and often relgious relations, there is sameness or similarities amomg them....but it is clearly distinctive from a person from the caribbean and clearly distinctive from an african american, but as persons of african descent, yes....there is a sameness, though, obviously, not at the same degree as the sameness within these three distinct nationalities....of course africans and caribbeans also different since they constitute their own geographical space...while african american are a nation within a nation...and we are also scattered...as they are....consider that what all black people share is that we neither know ourselves as african americans, africans, and west indians, so that people from ny don't know anything about folk in St. Louis, and folk in Georgia(unless they have family there) about folk in North Carolina....Or liberians don't know anything about kenyans...jamaicans don't know about st. kitts....of course many do know these things, but those are black folk who travel throughout the diaspora and africa...or move to a nyc, where u'll have all these folk, african, african american, caribbean attending school and living in the same community, etc...this will not occur in a seattle, for example.....etc....sorry troy, this should be anotha thhread....lol!
Personally, the economic differences wouldn't be as significant if african americans understood that we don't have to agree on everything, that being an african american is more than agreeing on every subject...a Ghanian brother joked about us being on a socalled blacker than thou team...and everyone needs to where the paraphernlia and if not they'll be scolded. What is more important, I think and I've learned from africans, is that we understand that there are issues that pertain to african americans as a group and most especially their is a culture worth maintaining....it is unfair, but it wouldn't make sense for a person with wealth to politically align with poor people's politics.... |
Abm
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Troy,
I was (mostly) pulling your leg. You strike me as been a too REAL to have been borne/bred in Graham's privileged world. And, sadly, I sure can holla back about you about having more kin attend a 'pen' than a college. (And isn't there something tragically 'bizarre' about an AA outfit that would use the very Caucasian "Jack and Jill" as their moniker?)
Linda,
NO to Buffalo and Catfish, but YES to mudbugs and crab claws? Hmmmm? Sister, you indeed have some 'eclectic' taste buds.
Yukio,
Dude, I was getting a hankerin' for me sum' deep-fried Buffalo and Catfish until you started venting about the "discontinuities" of "black cuisine..." and about the "heterogeniety within the community" (which almost sounds like a communal orgy). Now all I've got is a stomachache. |
Kc_trudiva
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abm,
i always know i am guaranteed a good laugh after reading one of your posts. and the response to yukio did just that...gave me a good laugh. rotflmbao |
Lambd
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Ma!!Yukio dun started usin nem dag nabbit big words agin! He dun gabe ma brotha a stomick ake! |
Cynique
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Any college students checking out Yukio's post could almost copy it verbatim in case they happen to need a paper to submit for an anthropology class. |
Lambd
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Maybe that's where she got it. |
Cynique
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You and Abm need to stop your Yukio bashing, Lambd. |
Abm
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Lambd,
"Maybe that's where 'she' got it."
Dude, that is Priceless! HAHAHA!
("Pssst! You think Cynique will figure out that she's providing fodder for the comedic barbs that we are hurling at Yukio?) |
Cynique
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Henceforth, I ain't in it. |
Abm
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Gee! I wonder 'who' rated my last post and 'who' rated Cynique's last 2 posts?
Hmmmmmm? |
Passion
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Damn sure wasn't me.
That rated your posts.
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Lambd
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C-neek is our straight man. Except she's a lady.
Now is Yukio was our straight man, he could be a lady, too. Right? Anyway, I'm sure Yukio knows its all in fun. If it bothers C-neek that much I will stop feeding into Abm's devilish ways....Of course I wouldn't want to offend Yukio either. He's a pretty cool chick. |
Lambd
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C-neek, that was the last one, I swear. |
Lambd
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Sorry, Yukio. I couldn't resist that last one. |
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