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K

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Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2003 - 11:44 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just finished Fox Girl by Nora Okja Keller and I feel like hugging every Koren woman I see. I was captivated until about the last chapter didn't like the ending. I'n now researching variations on the myth of the Fox Girl. I was amazed by the discrimination within the culture in regard to facial features and skin tone. It was very much like the AA community.
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Soul Sister

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Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 09:16 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

K -

I have studied a little about Asian culture in the post-war II period -- what I realized is that they are ethnocentric - the Japanese are the best example of this - anything that is not their specific culture is an abomination to mix with - but yes you can borrow culture items music, fashion, lingo, etc.

When those war babies were born - especially with African blood in the Phillipines, Germany, Korea and Vietnam they were scorned because of the global view on the "ugliness" of blackness -- contrary to their negative view - many of those mixed race people are physically beautiful and esteemed by African Americans - who have complexion/color issues. In part because we are looking for the exotic when people of color are the only exotics about the planet - in my opinion

I did not know that Keller had another book out so thanks for the lead - I have been in 1690s Japan maybe I will swing by and check out 1950s Korea - smile

Peace

ps --- before you go hugging all these Korean women - check this site out - http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/23824
and this group called the Bubble Sisters
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k

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Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 10:32 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

SS,

Not sure if i should chuckle and shrug or be offended.
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Soul Sister

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Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2003 - 03:28 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I fail to realize the range of emotions you are talking about - clearly there has been suffering throughout history and humanity -- but this most recent exploitation of the African image is ugliness bred by popular culture -- America's biggest export.


Should we shun all Asians - of course not - however, there is an global ugliness that has affected African people and clearly Asia was not excluded.

Peace

ps - does this help - because I would love to know the basis for your range of emotions
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K

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Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2003 - 09:36 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My range of emotions stem from wondering if my being offending is a waste of emotion.
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ABM

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Posted on Friday, November 07, 2003 - 01:11 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Look here! The best way Blacks can get back at racist Koreans is to avoid patronizing their cheesy convenience stores and stop buying and wearing their nasty dead hair.
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Soul Sister

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Posted on Friday, November 07, 2003 - 09:09 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ABM

It is people like you that make me love this website and the range of African emotions. Believe me there are some whack people out there -African, Asian -- and others - I am not hating on a specific group - but I believe Black Americans have lost their consciousness about the history of our people - and I am not talking about the slave trade but the intangible things -- like supporting Black business, culture and interests.

Why have we stopped being critical about our situtations and have become bleeding hearts of compassion for everyone else - who is crying/caring and uplifting Black people??

I ain't trying to be no militant but I believe that there is pain throughout history, but my deepest pain resonates for Black people, first, women second and general humanity next -- is that fair ??

I don't know but that is how I feel


K & ABM - thanks for indulging my tiarade and thanks for keeping your opinions real - peace
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ABM

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Posted on Saturday, November 08, 2003 - 01:40 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Soul Sister,

The history of what happened to African American almost compels us to be especially considerate of the plight of others. It is, however, our righteous sense of empathy and goodwill that is often waged against us.

I don't know if we are less critical of our situations than we were in times past. Rather, I think the symptoms of our troubles were much more apparent and overt in prior eras than they are now. When you are denied the right to vote and access to public/governmental accomodations/resources and when guys in hoods are burning crosses on your front lawn, the urgency to act is made painful clear. Now, the obstructions to our liberty and equality are much more transient and obscure.

Does allowing non-Blacks to commercially profit from hocking their wares in our communities an affront to our "inalienable" Americans right? Probably not. But does permitting them to do so result in our being less able to support our families and build our communities? Probably so.

I don't much expect nor require Asians to be especially sensitive to the plight of African Americans. Honestly - and maybe this is arrogance on my part - I hardly consider them at all in the calculus of American race relations. I do, however, think that they and all other people, in the US and abroad, have benefited enormously from the struggles of Black Americans. Because you can't have an honest discussion about civil rights and social justice anywhere in this world without referencing to the African American's advance to freedom.
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k

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Posted on Sunday, November 09, 2003 - 12:50 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are you being all fancy saying you don't know if you should be upset or shrug either? I was reading your post with my head making the yeah, yeah motion.


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