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Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 10051
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 10:36 am: | 
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What is or isn't rape between married people?
Should the thresholds for charging/convicting a husband of raping his wife should be as aggressive as some of those asserted against men who are not married to there (alleged) victims?
For examples, should a husband be deemed and/or charged with rape for the following reasons:
@ He continued to have sex with his wife 10 seconds after she asked him to stop
@ He did not use a condom intercourse eventhough he had promised his wife he would
@ He agressively, repeatedly urged and eventually convinced his frightened wife to perform sex acts she feared and/or did not enjoy
And to approach this spousal rape issue from an opposite angle: Should a wife be subject to being charged with a crime or tort for continually, repeatedly REFUSING to have sex with her husband?
Or checkit: Should a husband be able to SUE his wife for "depravation of the booty"? |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 7306
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 11:11 am: |
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You thinking about raping your wife? You not gone use this info against her? |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6892
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 11:56 am: |
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Should the thresholds for charging/convicting a husband of raping his wife should be as aggressive as some of those asserted against men who are not married to there (alleged) victims?
(Yes, but juries would be leery about putting the husband in prison and wives leery of prosecuting if they knew their husband would get 10 to 30 or life)
For examples, should a husband be deemed and/or charged with rape for the following reasons:
@ He continued to have sex with his wife 10 seconds after she asked him to stop
@ He did not use a condom intercourse eventhough he had promised his wife he would
@ He agressively, repeatedly urged and eventually convinced his frightened wife to perform sex acts she feared and/or did not enjoy
(See answer above. If there is not any other type of abuse I doubt you could get many convictions)
And to approach this spousal rape issue from an opposite angle: Should a wife be subject to being charged with a crime or tort for continually, repeatedly REFUSING to have sex with her husband?
Or checkit: Should a husband be able to SUE his wife for "depravation of the booty"?
(Of course not. You can always go out and get laid someplace else. So what she ain't giving it up if she's doing everything else.
I mean, let's be fair. A woman supposed to go out and bring home the bacon, take care of the kids, cook, clean, keep the man together keep herself together and •••• like a rabbit on top of it all?
Come on!) |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 10052
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 12:25 pm: |
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Yeah, Tonya. I am fixin' to rape my wife and I was hoping to use Thumpers Corner to get the information I need to get away with it.
*sigh*
Chris,
What if a wife isn't being required to do hardly any of the labor you describe? Can dude rape her then?
*sarcasm* |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6901
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 12:54 pm: |
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Chris,
What if a wife isn't being required to do hardly any of the labor you describe? Can dude rape her then?
*sarcasm*
(I seriously suggest you seek the services of a marriage counselor--or take a mistress) |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6902
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 01:00 pm: |
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This is why other cultures tolerate or encourage married men to have mistresses.
Our society is screwed up. It views marriage as a romantic match rather than a life or business partnership.
If you get a gal who is hot in the sack, sooner or later it cools off and then what you got? Or, you get one that is hot in the sack, and she gets to putting in work on all the other fronts (including laying her life on the line giving you children and going through the soul destroying and debilitating task of raising them and the romance cools off.
So, if you are still horny you got to find somebody else who is also horny--somebody who wants it and ain't getting it or somebody who still ready to get it on--
If people got into marriage for grownup reasons then not getting any nookie wouldn't be no big thang-- |
Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 3186
Registered: 10-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 01:58 pm: |
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Bro ABM, you know there are some sites and forums that would demand your head for daring to ask what they see as the obvious. Ha! Ha! Ha! Some hard core feminists who would love to make an example of you for asking that question. But ya know, I'm going to as some women and men your question and see what the gender differences in their answers are. I have an idea but I wanna make it official.
Can a man rape his wife? Well, according to the law (in all 50 states) , any sex by force or violence is considered rape, married or not. But there may be an exception, depends if they have changed their state law yet. In Tennessee (surprised?), "it's not illegal for a man to rape his wife unless he uses a weapon, beats her and causes serious bodily harm or if they are separated or divorcing". There is a movement by some feminists to create a bill that would remove the spousal exemption from the state's rape law. They’ve been trying for years (with no luck) to have spousal rape treated as other forms of rape and violence against women. I’m not sure if they have been successful as to date.
The primary reason given ( I know this is going to sound sick), for the bill's failure in Tennessee is the extra cost to the state for imprisoning the rapists! The state is too poor to pay for imprisoning rapists - if they have only raped their wives.
But for the record, historically in America, women did not have the right to say no to husbands. Traditionally, U.S. law has defined rape as "sexual intercourse with a female not his wife without her consent." It wasn’t until the Women's Liberation movement of the 1970s did the laws change to criminalize a man for raping his wife. |
Troy
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Username: Troy
Post Number: 1328
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 02:10 pm: |
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"You thinking about raping your wife?"
"Yeah, Tonya. I am fixin' to rape my wife and I was hoping to use Thumpers Corner to get the information I need to get away with it."
ROTFLMMFAO!
ABM none of the 3 scenarios you described constitute rape, at least in my book.
As to the question of: Should a husband be able to SUE his wife for "depravation of the booty"?
First I don't think the courts should be burdened with cases of wive (or husbands) that are not putting out. Besides what would be the penalty; jail time, a fine, forced intercourse? The whole idea is ridiculous.
But if we were to take it seriously, how long a draught are we talking about. A few days, a few weeks, months.
If one is not having sex with their wife frequently enough for their (mutual) satisfaction, happiness or sanity AND they can not work this out. Then their really is not much of a marriage... |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 10054
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 02:48 pm: |
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Troy,
I have read of unmarried men being tried and convicted of rape because of those 3 scenarios. And I was wondering to what extent, if at all, being married can and should shield a man from similar consequences.
Just how obligated is the modern wife to fullfil the sexual desires of the modern husband? Just how far can and should such go up to and, perhaps even beyond what might qualify as rape?
And I can see why many men would feel there should be a legally-enforceable penalty for depriving a husband of sex for, say, 6 months or so.
The easy answer is to say he should just divorce her. 'Course, then, dude is subject to loose at least half of everything he's got, and if he has any ends, he'll likely have to pay alimony, likely will lose custody of his kids and have to pay child support, etc.
Perhaps some CQQchie Demerit System - whereby a husband can trade points for her not giving it up for, say, Laker tickets or something - just might just do the trick. |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6907
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 02:48 pm: |
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ABM none of the 3 scenarios you described constitute rape, at least in my book.
(Gawd! And I thought I was a sexist pig!)
If one is not having sex with their wife frequently enough for their (mutual) satisfaction, happiness or sanity AND they can not work this out. Then their really is not much of a marriage..
(A wise old black woman once told me that ONLY Negroes were still marrying for love.
Please, Jesus! Will we ever be ready?) |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6908
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 02:50 pm: |
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But for the record, historically in America, women did not have the right to say no to husbands. Traditionally, U.S. law has defined rape as "sexual intercourse with a female not his wife without her consent." It wasn’t until the Women's Liberation movement of the 1970s did the laws change to criminalize a man for raping his wife.
(You'd be much better off waiting until she wanted it if you had to wait a hundred years) |
Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 3188
Registered: 10-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 02:58 pm: |
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"A wise old black woman once told me that ONLY Negroes were still marrying for love."
And of course you believe that......No surprise....
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Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 10055
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 03:01 pm: |
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Ntfs,
Thanks. I already knew it was possible for a husband to be charged with rape. What I was trying to glean is the extent to which a husband who allegedly rapes might be treated similarly non-husbands, especially with respect to some of your more dicey execution and enforcement of rape laws.
For example, I read of a case in Colorado where a man was convicted of raping a woman who HAD consented to sex because he secrcretly removed a condom he had promised to wear.
I was just wondering should a HUSBAND be charged/convicted of rape in this situation. |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6912
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 03:32 pm: |
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"A wise old black woman once told me that ONLY Negroes were still marrying for love."
And of course you believe that......No surprise....
(No, I KNOW that. Everybody else has moved on and is talking about the DO RE MI!!)
I was just wondering should a HUSBAND be charged/convicted of rape in this situation
(You sure got rape on the brain. You want us to call somebody for you, or something?) |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6913
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 03:36 pm: |
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ABM, get your mind on things above.
If not, go to a strip club and get a lap dance. Or wait til you're alone find you one of these online sites (no children or animals) and--well. You know. |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 10059
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 03:39 pm: |
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Chris,
Thanks for the advice.
I am sure it's been well-researched by you. |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6917
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 03:44 pm: |
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Chris,
Thanks for the advice.
I am sure it's been well-researched by you.
(Ain't nobody going to send you to prison for it. And your marriage will still be intact, too.
You might even get her to do that.
You know, sometimes they are suffering some discomfort or something and they can't do the vaginal thang.
She might be willing to do you a handjob, though. Toss in some perfume or take her out to dinner or something.
What kind of pimp are you, anyway?) |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6918
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 03:45 pm: |
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The next time rape crosses your mind just think of what they do to rapists in the pen.
And you will get sent to the pen. |
Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 3191
Registered: 10-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 04:08 pm: |
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"I am sure it's been well-researched by you."
You can believe that....!!!!!!!!  |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6919
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 04:17 pm: |
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By the way, ABM--your wife don't read these posts, do she?
"I am sure it's been well-researched by you."
You can believe that.
(I'm going to turn you boyz into some quality, first class pimps if it's the last thang I do) |
Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 3195
Registered: 10-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 04:36 pm: |
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"I'm going to turn you boyz into some quality, first class pimps if it's the last thang I do."
Uhhhhhhh.....Thanks Chris, we sincerely appreciate your offer. But before you start instructing and teaching "Introduction to Pimpology: Theory and Application", you're going to have to move past your early morning trysts as a steady customer with the neighborhood street walkers. Ya know....just a suggestion...... |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 10062
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 04:37 pm: |
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Chris: "The next time rape crosses your mind just think of what they do to rapists in the pen...And you will get sent to the pen."
More well-researched information from Chris, Ntfs. |
Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 3196
Registered: 10-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 04:40 pm: |
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"More well-researched information from Chris, Ntfs."
 ......................... |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6922
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 04:40 pm: |
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This might help, too
http://www.gritzandgravymag.com/ |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6923
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 04:42 pm: |
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But before you start instructing and teaching "Introduction to Pimpology: Theory and Application", you're going to have to move past your early morning trysts as a steady customer with the neighborhood street walkers. Ya know....just a suggestion......
(That's the first thang you need to learn if you are going to pimp.
A pimp wants MONEY not SEX--
Obviously you get thangs backwards. You REALLY need to try to stay out of prison--or Boy Scout camp or anywhere they got lots of horny mens) |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 10064
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 04:47 pm: |
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Ntfs,
Ask Chris how many streetwalkers he paid to lay pipe to before he realized the objective of pimping is to get paid by hookers not to be paying them. |
Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 3198
Registered: 10-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 05:01 pm: |
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"Ask Chris how many streetwalkers he paid to lay pipe to before he realized the objective of pimping is to get paid by hookers not to be paying them."
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! ABM, that's exactly my point -he hasn't! Bro Chris is still setting his alarm clock to 5:30 AM every morning, trying to get out and catch the last minute poo-nanny mark downs before they turn in from a nights work. The man is in conflict. He would love the idea of being paid by his neighborhood ho's but he can't get past his paying John addiction. Not hatin' on the brother but I feel he has to get past this sticking point before he makes any attempt to school us on the science of pimpin'. Chris, when you approach Shaneeqa or LaJayennta tomorrow morning -just say no, turn around and go back home!!!! It will be difficult at first but it's a start.... |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6929
Registered: 03-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 02:47 pm: |
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I got women bringing me money every day--God that looks awful! Did I really type that? |
Troy
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Username: Troy
Post Number: 1330
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 04:15 pm: |
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Chrishayden, http://www.gritzandgravymag.com looks pretty cool. I'ma have to corder a couple of issues and see if the have an affiliate program.
Chris, I'm also curious why the wise old woman thought Black folks were the only ones getting married for "Love" unless Love is a function of wealth, income, physique, sexual prowess, "god hair", height, complexion.
We get married for things that almost never matter in the long run. If the love comes then you were lucky -- but usually it does not and this is why most of our marriages fail -- if they even occur.
People don't have the ability... the discipline to fall in love -- so I have not idea why someone would think we are the only oes left doing it.
ABM, sounds to me like the guy who was sentenced to raping his wife for having sex without a condom needed a better Lawyer.
Notice I did not say divorce the wife who would not put out.
Divorcing is such a nasty ordeal it is a wonder people even get married at all. If divorce were not so costly I'm throughly convicned we would be looking at 75% divorce rates rather than 51%.
You can always go to Rio: http://aalbc.com/reviews/dont_blame_it_on_rio.htm |
Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 3202
Registered: 10-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 - 07:14 pm: |
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"......so I have not idea why someone would think we are the only oes left doing it."
Troy, we're not. Such a statement is mindlessly ridiculous and racist. No group has a monopoly or patent on love......PERIOD! The old woman Chris was talking about was Chris!!! |
Troy
AALBC .com Platinum Poster
Username: Troy
Post Number: 1332
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, June 11, 2008 - 04:30 pm: |
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This Sister was raped by her husband and wrote a book about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp1Th9im5KI
I do not know the details, but I get the sense the husband was just abusive.
I taped this in Houston a few weeks ago. |
Jackie
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Username: Jackie
Post Number: 621
Registered: 04-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2008 - 04:42 pm: |
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Troy writes "just abusive". |
Abm
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Abm
Post Number: 10067
Registered: 04-2004
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2008 - 05:23 pm: |
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Troy: "Notice I did not say divorce the wife who would not put out."
What should a man do whose when his wife won't give him any?
Cheat on her? |
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