3 NYPD detectives cleared in wedding-... Log Out | Topics | Search
Moderators | Register | Edit Profile

Email This Page

  AddThis Social Bookmark Button

AALBC.com's Thumper's Corner Discussion Board » Culture, Race & Economy - Archive 2008 » 3 NYPD detectives cleared in wedding-day shooting « Previous Next »

Author Message
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Tonya
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Tonya

Post Number: 7057
Registered: 07-2006

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Posted on Friday, April 25, 2008 - 03:35 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

3 NYPD detectives cleared in wedding-day shooting

By TOM HAYS – 1 hour ago

NEW YORK (AP) — Three detectives were acquitted Friday in the 50-shot killing of an unarmed groom-to-be on his wedding day, a case that put the NYPD at the center of another dispute involving allegations of excessive firepower.

Scores of police officers surrounded the courthouse to guard against potential chaos, and as news of the verdict spread, many in the crowd began weeping. Others were enraged, swearing and screaming "Murderers! Murderers!" or "KKK!"

Inside the courtroom, spectators gasped. Sean Bell's fiancee immediately walked out of the room; his mother cried.

Bell, a 23-year-old black man, was killed in a hail of gunfire outside a seedy strip club in Queens on Nov. 25, 2006 as he was leaving his bachelor party with two friends. The case ignited the emotions of people across the city and led to widespread protests among those who felt the officers used unnecessary force.

Officers Michael Oliver, 36, and Gescard Isnora, 29, stood trial for manslaughter while Officer Marc Cooper, 40, was charged with reckless endangerment. Two other shooters weren't charged. Oliver squeezed off 31 shots; Isnora fired 11 rounds; and Cooper shot four times.

The case brought back painful memories of other NYPD shootings, such as the 1999 shooting of Amadou Diallo — an African immigrant who was gunned down in a hail of 41 bullets by police officers who mistook his wallet for a gun. The acquittal of the officers in that case created a storm of protest, with hundreds arrested after taking to the streets in demonstration.

Though emotions ran high, there were no immediate problems outside the courthouse Friday, where many wore buttons with Bell's picture or held signs saying "Justice for Sean Bell." Some people approached police after the verdict was read, but they were held back and the jostling died down quickly.

William Hardgraves, 48, an electrician from Harlem, brought his 12-year-old son and 23-year-old daughter to hear the verdict. "I hoped it would be different this time. They shot him 50 times," Hardgraves said. "But of course, it wasn't."

The officers, complaining that pretrial publicity had unfairly painted them as cold-blooded killers, opted to have the judge decide the case rather than a jury.

The judge, Justice Arthur Cooperman, indicated when he delivered the verdict that the officers' version of events was more credible than the victims' version. "The people have not proved beyond a reasonable doubt that each defendant was not justified" in firing, he said.

Hours later, the officers appeared at a news conference.

"I'd like to say sorry to the Bell family for the tragedy," Cooper said, thanking God, his lawyers and the police officers who supported him.

The U.S. attorney's office said after the verdict that it had been monitoring the state's prosecution and would conduct an independent review of the case. The Rev. Al Sharpton, who represents Bell's family, called for a federal investigation.

"This verdict is one round down, but the fight is far from over," Sharpton said on his radio show. "What we saw in court today was not a miscarriage of justice. Justice didn't miscarry. This was an abortion of justice."

Michael Palladino, president of the Detectives Endowment Association, responded angrily to Sharpton's suggestion that the verdicts were unfair.

"That's despicable for him to say that because we have the greatest criminal justice system on earth," he said.

The nearly two-month trial was marked by deeply divergent accounts of the night.

The defense painted the victims as drunken thugs who the officers believed were armed and dangerous. Prosecutors sought to convince the judge that the victims had been minding their own business, and that the officers were inept, trigger-happy aggressors.

Both sides were consistent on one point: The utter chaos surrounding the last moments of Bell's life.

"It happened so quick," Isnora said in grand jury testimony. "It was like the last thing I ever wanted to do."

Bell's companions — Trent Benefield and Joseph Guzman — offered dramatic testimony. Both were wounded in the shooting; Guzman still has four bullets lodged in his body.

Referring to Isnora, Guzman said, "This dude is shooting like he's crazy, like he's out of his mind."

The victims and shooters were set on a fateful collision course by a pair of innocuous decisions: Bell's to have a last-minute bachelor party at Kalua Cabaret, and the undercover detectives' to investigate reports of prostitution at the club.

As the club closed around 4 a.m., Sanchez and Isnora claimed they overheard Bell and his friends first flirt with women, then taunt a stranger who responded by putting his right hand in his pocket as if he had a gun. Guzman, they testified, said, "Yo, go get my gun" — something Bell's friends denied.

Isnora said he decided to arm himself, call for backup — "It's getting hot," he told his supervisor — and tail Bell, Guzman and Benefield as they went around the corner and got into Bell's car. He claimed that after warning the men to halt, Bell pulled away, bumped him and rammed an unmarked police van that converged on the scene with Oliver at the wheel. The detective also alleged that Guzman made a sudden move as if he were reaching for a gun.

Guzman said Isnora "appeared out of nowhere" with a gun drawn and shot him in the shoulder — the first of 16 shots to enter his body.

"That's all there was — gunfire," he said. "There wasn't nothing else."

With tires screeching, glass breaking and bullets flying, the officers claimed that they believed they were the ones under fire. Oliver responded by emptying his semiautomatic pistol, reloading, and emptying it again, as the supervisor sought cover.

The truth emerged when the smoke cleared: There was no weapon inside Bell's blood-splattered car.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gzt5F_LdL__hNuiNlnZ4CzfSfgJQD9091R507
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden

Post Number: 6681
Registered: 03-2004

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Posted on Saturday, April 26, 2008 - 10:08 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I knew this was coming when the detectives chose a judge trial instead of a jury--the fix was in.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Serenasailor
AALBC .com Platinum Poster
Username: Serenasailor

Post Number: 1853
Registered: 01-2006

Rating: 
Votes: 4 (Vote!)

Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 05:08 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Of course my question is now. Where is Bill Cosby's Black Burgiose azz now? Why is HE not speaking up? He sure can point the finger at poor inner city Black ppl when he wants to. But now why doesn't he speak up against an evil, racist justice system.

Phuck Bill Cosby!! Where was he during the Jena 6? Why was he silent then. I guess the REAL enemy is poor, inner city Blacks.

Who would have thunk it?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique

Post Number: 12177
Registered: 01-2004

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Posted on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 07:54 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Maybe Cosby feels the same as Barak Obama who said the verdict was fair. The case was tried by a judge and when all the evidence was examined it was determined that the firing officers, who included black cops, had not acted wrecklessly. The victim also had cops in his immediate family.
"Who'd have thunk it?" You, naturally, "serenasailor", because "thinking" rationally ain't your strong suit.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Serenasailor
AALBC .com Platinum Poster
Username: Serenasailor

Post Number: 1854
Registered: 01-2006

Rating: 
Votes: 4 (Vote!)

Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 05:49 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Cynique you need to shut up you dumb,mullatto bytch!! I'm sure your high yella mixed race plantation azz did agree with the verdict. Seeing as how the victims were all dark and didn't have a drop of yella blood in them like you.

I don't even know why you are in this chatroom anyway. YOU ARE NOT BLACK!! You are a yella winch trying to pass as a Black woman.

Like I said before these mixed and yella ppl are not your friends Black ppl.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Serenasailor
AALBC .com Platinum Poster
Username: Serenasailor

Post Number: 1855
Registered: 01-2006

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 05:50 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And that goes for you and your little redbone lovin lackey Bill Cosby.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique

Post Number: 12182
Registered: 01-2004

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 07:28 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sticks and stones may hurt my bones but names will never hurt me. Where an ignorant, idiotic capon like you are concerned, "serenasailor", I just consider the source.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Serenasailor
AALBC .com Platinum Poster
Username: Serenasailor

Post Number: 1856
Registered: 01-2006

Rating: 
Votes: 3 (Vote!)

Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 11:27 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

One thing that anger and shocks me Cynique is your inhumanity. But I guess because these ppl are Black and lets face it 70 years of living off of your lightskin privelidge and looking at Black ppl through the same racist, prism that that your slavemaster/illegitimate father does.

So maybe I was a little harsh. These are not your ppl. You have no empathy for them. There not mullattos.

To each his own.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique

Post Number: 12183
Registered: 01-2004

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 12:57 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh puleeze. What does all of that recycled kola drivel have to do with the subject at hand - with a guy gettin killed in a brawl?? You called me a mulatto. I've never referred to myself as one or am I color struck or do I judge people by anything other than their intelligence. That is the scenario you have concocted to try and elevate yourself to the position of being something worthwhile when a sock puppet like you ain't nothing but a dysfunctional fool. Get real.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden

Post Number: 6708
Registered: 03-2004

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 02:31 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What does all of that recycled kola drivel have to do with the subject at hand - with a guy gettin killed in a brawl??

(That is not what happened at all)
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Cynique
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Cynique

Post Number: 12190
Registered: 01-2004

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 04:29 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Whatever happened, being a mulatto had nothing to do with this incident. The black cop who was involved wasn't a red-bone, or was the victim dark-complectioned. So stfu. Any subject that touches upon Bill Cosby brings you crawling out of the grass like the hissing garter snake that you are, crasshayden.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Yvettep
AALBC .com Platinum Poster
Username: Yvettep

Post Number: 2861
Registered: 01-2005

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 11:17 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You have no empathy for them.

My guess would be that folks who have actually lost loved ones to street violence have pretty high levels of empathy and understanding for this kind of situation.

Anyway. I would love for these kinds of cases to highlight the ongoing vigilence of some individuals, programs and groups that are working to broker better police-community relations and greater cultural sensitivity for law enforcement. I know they are out there because every once in a while I come across an article or program about them. But it doesn;t seem to me that they get widespread attention or support. Instead, we tend to be reactive as opposed to proactive, these things keep happening periodically, and I think the result is that we just end up feeling angry and helpless.

Meanwhile, has anyone heard of any efforts to create a fund for Bell's little girl? If there is one, I'd love to know about it and I'm sure many might consider contributing money to such an effort.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Ntfs_encryption
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Ntfs_encryption

Post Number: 3114
Registered: 10-2005

Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!)

Posted on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 04:48 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

One thing that anger and shocks me Cynique is your inhumanity. But I guess because these ppl are Black and lets face it 70 years of living off of your lightskin privelidge and looking at "Black ppl through the same racist, prism that that your slavemaster/illegitimate father does.

So maybe I was a little harsh. These are not your ppl. You have no empathy for them. There not mullattos."


Yawn................


Topics | Last Day | Last Week | Tree View | Search | Help/Instructions | Program Credits Administration

Advertise | Chat | Books | Fun Stuff | About AALBC.com | Authors | Getting on the AALBC | Reviews | Writer's Resources | Events | Send us Feedback | Privacy Policy | Sign up for our Email Newsletter | Buy Any Book (advanced book search)

Copyright © 1997-2008 AALBC.com - http://aalbc.com