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Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 01:38 pm: | 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwr0eKsWPNk&feature=related
Lately, I've noticed a lot more Black people--both men and women-- in the past recent years speaking out against relaxers and weaves moreso than ever. Even on Black haircare sites that support straight-hair/extensions/wigs the members are slowly deciding to go natural,(at least giving it a thought) and to stop spending all this money on hair that isn't theirs. Has anyone else noticed this?
I'd also like to know if any of the posters here agree with what the man has to say about Black women and weaves. He makes some good points, but he's still an a$$hole. I just wish it came from someone else other than him.
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Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 03:00 pm: |
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I agree with everything he said tho you're right the attitude gotta go. But again he makes exellent points. "They're either attractive or they're not." I agree weaves don't make a difference. In fact, I think weaves often make things worse. Fake hair ain't for everybody. I agree w/him on just about everything he said here.
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Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 05:34 pm: |
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I do feel that in the black community, just about any black woman who puts a long weave in her head is automatically deemed a goddess, no matter how unattractive her face may be. It's like if you have long hair=you're beautiful now. I've heard stories from black women who said they went from getting no attention, to being the belle of the ball amongst black men because now they have long weave down their back. Yet with any other race, just because you have very long hair, it is not enough basis for you to be attractive. You need other attributes than just long straight hair. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 12081
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 05:45 pm: |
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A woman's hair is her crowing glory. In today's world, this crowing glory can be either natural or purchased. And nobody is getting more extensions than white celebrities. Black women may be forsaking the weaves, but perms will probably be around for a long time. |
Nels
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Post Number: 1124
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 09:25 pm: |
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Glad mine just lays down. |
Chrishayden
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Post Number: 6596
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 11:06 am: |
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In today's world, this crowing glory can be either natural or purchased
(Of course that is not the point, but you are warped and twisted.
I would state the point, but you won't get it.
I wish you would purchase a weave--one of them like Cousin It from the Adams family that covered you from head to toe) |
Cynique
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Post Number: 12087
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 01:24 pm: |
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Of course YOU're an expert on women's hair, crissy boy. You probably have a variety of wigs stashed away in the closet along with your cross- dresser wardrobe.
You are even a candidate for the "hell having no fury like a fat fool scorned" adage. Get over the fact that I wouldn't have you for a son or a mate.  |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
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Post Number: 6610
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 03:01 pm: |
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Get over the fact that I wouldn't have you for a son or a mate.
(To paraphrase Darth Vader
I am your father, Cynique!) |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 12097
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 03:20 pm: |
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Nobody as impotent as you could father a child, you deluded capon.  |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 3084
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 05:08 pm: |
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"Lately, I've noticed a lot more Black people--both men and women-- in the past recent years speaking out against relaxers and weaves moreso than ever. Even on Black haircare sites that support straight-hair/extensions/wigs the members are slowly deciding to go natural,(at least giving it a thought) and to stop spending all this money on hair that isn't theirs. Has anyone else noticed this?"
Nice post B123. I'll step up and respond. I have seen more so-called Afros as of late also. Especially among young black men. Personally, I don't have a problem with it as long as ya don't abuse the style by not combing it or walking around with a pick sticking out, looking as if someone stabbed you in the head. As long as it is your natural hair, I'm on board with it. I like the natty hairs sytles, short and big Fro's, the sista locks and dreads or a nice perm. Again -AS LONG AS IT IS YOUR OWN HAIR. When I see black women with sista locks, dreads (and yes, I know many people have issues with the hygiene of some who sport this hair style) or even a nice perm -I ALWAYS COMPLIMENT THEIR HAIR -ALWAYS! It's my personal way of letting them know, as a black man, I appreciate her taking the time to care for her natural hair and I noticed it.
But I will honestly admit, I have some serious issues with the ridiculous down the back to the waist massive weaves (with multi-color braids -WTF????) I see daily. I'll leave it at that. I'm not sure many of the readers would want to hear what I really think about the culture of outrageous fake hair that has taken hold. Next.....
"I'd also like to know if any of the posters here agree with what the man has to say about Black women and weaves. He makes some good points,..."
Yeah, I agree. The brother was a little caustic in his delivery but I understand how he feels. I personally have no use for weaves and wigs. As I stated before, I don't care how you wear your hair, as long as it is your own hair (and no -I don't mean you own it because you bought it!), groomed and taken care of. There has been some rancor by some hysterical black nationalistic Negroes, accusing black women of self hatred for perming their hair. I don't agree with that. I know black women are under extreme pressure, scrutiny and criticism because of their hair. I'm not going to add lighter fluid to the fire by criticizing them for perming their hair. I feel it is a personal choice and she has every right to do so if she feels comfortable doing so. Being a race traitor or Uncle Tom or some European beauty standard brain washed stooge is a argument you will not hear from me. That's bullshit. Some of the most courageous and brilliant black women in our history have permed their hair. These black women were in the trenches going head to head with white racists while these hatin' Negroes were still swimming around inside their daddies.......well, you know. I don't consider Ida B. Wells, Constance B. Motely or Dorothy Height self hatin' brain washed black women simply because they permed their hair. End of subject.....
"......but he's still an a$$hole."
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Understood.....
" I just wish it came from someone else other than him."
It just did.....
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Enchanted
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Post Number: 1247
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Votes: 6 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 08:14 pm: |
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QUOTE Ntfs:
Some of the most courageous and brilliant black women in our history have permed their hair. These black women were in the trenches going head to head with white racists while these hatin' Negroes were still swimming around inside their daddies.......well, you know. I don't consider Ida B. Wells, Constance B. Motely or Dorothy Height self hatin' brain washed black women simply because they permed their hair. End of subject.....
Big ass correction
Ida B. Wells wrote about her self-hatred
specifically about her hair.
Harriett Tubman and Malcolm X wrote even more
about their self-hatred.
Malcolm X wrote of his "CONK" and chasing
white women--he said he chased them because
of black men telling him white women are the
ultimate prize.
Ntfs,
Just because someone fights against racism
doesn't mean they aren't infected by it.
Can you grasp that knowledge bro?
As with any disease, some people are intelligent
enough to know they are infected. They fight against it.
Self-Hatred is not a "conscious" state.
Self-Hate is when you have "misinformation" about
yourself.
Repeat: Self-Hate is when you have misinformation about yourself.
Self-Hatred is an INNOCENT state.
It is destructive, but it's innocent.
Even Kola Boof has written extensively about her self hatred and psychoanalysis when she was in the Mental Ward but stupid arrogant black people make fun of her instead of allowing her to help others, because
the biggest part of "Group Self-hate" is group DENIAL.
Last up--please get this str8African women have been wearing 'fake' hair for thousands of years going back to when the Egyptians created 'nappy wigs and braid wigs' to protect their shaved heads from sand mites 30,000 years ago. The difference is that African women wore fake hair in their own image to look MORE AFRICAN.
Black women of today wear fake hair to look like a whole other race because they believe WHITE looks are superior to African looks. Permed hair is Eurocentric hair period. Done in a "flip" or dyed blond or weaved to flow like horse-hair these styles are misinformation that black women accidentally pass along to their men and children by trying to imitate the white women on tv and movies. Black men in turn praise the Eurocentric hair as "more feminine" in front of black kids which compounds the misinformation making it law. It becomes a cycle of white worship among blacks. They make crude jokes about their natural hair. They consider it "abnormal" for a natural black woman to look natural. So if anything, NTFS, we need more Afros and dreads even if they are wigs and weaves its better than the image of European hair on black heads. There's a huge difference in that. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 12104
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 10:37 pm: |
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Wow, I was almost tempted to read all of the warmed-over mush that "enchanted" served up since she seems to have suddenly acquired the facility to write normally.  |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 11:05 pm: |
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Wonder if enchanted's BFF will now stop wearing those awful braided extensions that make her look like Medusa. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Username: Ntfs_encryption
Post Number: 3087
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 17, 2008 - 10:29 am: |
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"Ida B. Wells wrote about her self-hatred specifically about her hair."
Oh really? And you can give me a specific reference for this? You can provide a specific quote where she said she hated herself and her hair? Details please.....
"Harriett Tubman and Malcolm X wrote even more about their self-hatred."
I think you are grossly simplifying this. The self hate that Malcolm spoke of was the self loathing that white racism has instilled in blacks for generations. But he was referring to his early life. The life he lived before his imprisonment -not after. My comments did not suggest that historically, black people do not having a history of self loathing because of their blackness. I was referring to the fact that I believe a black women should be free to make choices about styling their hair. And if she decides to do so, it does not mean that she hates herself! That is a simple minded self serving racial cheap shot. How can you prove that a black woman "hates herself" because she decided to perm her hair???
"Malcolm X wrote of his "CONK" and chasing white women--he said he chased them because of black men telling him white women are the ultimate prize."
And??? What does that have to do with black women and their right to style their hair as they please? Yes, Malcolm wore a conk because that was the thing to do for hipsters back then. Just as wearing corn roles, sagging, hoodies and bling is the thing for young black males today. I know plenty of black men who date white women and I have yet to meet one who believes having a white woman is a prize. They have other reasons but just being white is not one of them. And why would it be? Perhaps this type of thinking was popular in 1940 but not today. There is nothing special about having a white woman (the ultimate prize???) just because she has white skin. Well to do and totally broke ass Negroes alike can have a white woman if they desire. No magic is required nor needed. Sorry, no points for that statement....
"Ntfs, Just because someone fights against racism doesn't mean they aren't infected by it. Can you grasp that knowledge bro? "
Oh course! No problem here. But can you grasp the "possibility" that not everyone falls into your narrow minded definition of self hate? Can you entertain the "possibility" that not every black woman who perms her hair is internally suffering from self hate? Perhaps her perm provides a style that is more manageable to her? That it is an individual decision that may or may not fall within the constraints of your definition?? IS IT POSSIBLE...???
"Self-Hatred is an INNOCENT state. It is destructive, but it's innocent."
Isn't being destructive and innocent at the same time somewhat contradictory? Think about it....
"Even Kola Boof has written extensively about her self hatred and psychoanalysis when she was in the Mental Ward but stupid arrogant black people make fun of her instead of allowing her to help others, because the biggest part of "Group Self-hate" is group DENIAL."
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Kola, you're probably still in a mental ward. How in the hell can you help black people when you are ravaged with so many crippling issues? And trust me, I thoroughly understand the concept and history of black American self hatred. But you have, as I said before, grossly simplified a complex issue to satisfy a very narrow and restrictive race ideology that you frantically adhere to. You have a clever way of manipulating facts and history, injecting carefully crafted hyperbole to make your points. Which is good, and it takes skill but I see through it.
"Last up--please get this str8African women have been wearing 'fake' hair for thousands of years going back to when the Egyptians created 'nappy wigs and braid wigs' to protect their shaved heads from sand mites 30,000 years ago. The difference is that African women wore fake hair in their own image to look MORE AFRICAN."
So..???? What the hell does that have to do with Twenty One First Century black women financing the Korean fake hair empire? What does black Egyptian women of a three thousand years ago (and not 30,000 as you erroneously stated) have to do with the black street walkers with fake blonde, red and black (mixed with various colors) braids down their backs I saw last night parading up and down El Cajon boulevard? NOTHING!!! They're wearing those braids because in their minds, they believe it looks real or it makes them feel good about themselves or they do it for convenience because they don't have to deal with their own hair. Why do I say that? BECAUSE BLACK WOMEN HAVE TOLD ME IN THOSE EXACT WORDS. I didn't say it -they did! Ya got that...??!!
"Black women of today wear fake hair to look like a whole other race because they believe WHITE looks are superior to African looks."
Uh huh.....I see. Is that the reason you wear fake hair?? Because you believe WHITE looks are superior to African looks? Every picture you have posted shows you with hair bought......not hair that is genetically yours.
"Permed hair is Eurocentric hair period. "
Ya know something, let me shed some light on something you seem to be over looking. Straight hair (not permed) is not exclusive to people of European descent. There are over a billion people in China. Their hair is straight. There are over a billion people in India. Their hair is straight. People of Latin descent (Argentina, Chile, El Salvador, Colombia, Bolivia, Spain, Honduras, Mexico, et al) have straight hair. Vietnamese, Koreans, Filipinos, Indonesians, Tibetans, Malaysians and Pakistanis have straight hair. The over whelming majority of people in the world have straight hair. It's not a white thing. It's a "non-black hair" thing. You need to move on past this straight hair is a white thing. Next.....
"Black men in turn praise the Eurocentric hair as "more feminine" in front of black kids which compounds the misinformation making it law."
That is so weak. Black men are the sole reason and cause of black women having low self esteem about their hair???? I don't think so. Black women have their own code and standards for judging hair with or without any input from a black man. If for some reason a black woman has high anxiety and negative thoughts about her hair because of it's manageability, why must it be the black mans fault? I'm not suggesting black men have not contributed to the hair hate thing, but to suggest he is the primary and major reason for it is somewhat of a stretch. IMO.
In defiance of your thinking, black women have free will and enough intelligence (something you refuse to consider) to make decisions about their hair. As I stated before, I am very aware of the pressure black women are under when seeing other "non-black women" with long soft bouncy straight hair. But you seem to forget there are black women who are resilient enough to dismiss the straight hair is superior mindset. Black women with natural hair styles (natty hair, short and big Fro's, sista locks and dreads) document this fact everyday. This is a very complex issue and your simple sweeping generalizations do not provide the silver bullet you are stridently promulgating. Sorry....
"It becomes a cycle of white worship among blacks."
White worship..???? What world are you living in?? I've never met a black woman who worshiped white people because of their hair!!! I'm sure there are some who envy the perception of easier maintenance but that's not the same as worshipping someone. What black people are you hanging out with???? Are you speaking about those who you were institutionalized with?
"They consider it "abnormal" for a natural black woman to look natural."
Oh really? Just who in the hell is "they"? I don't know of any black people who consider a black woman "abnormal" for not straightening her hair. The opinions may vary but I know of none who consider another black woman "abnormal" for not perming her hair. Natural hairstyles have been around since the sixties. I'm sure most black folks are accustomed to it. IT'S NOT AN ENTIRELY ALIEN OR NEW CONCEPT.
".....we need more Afros and dreads even if they are wigs and weaves its better than the image of European hair on black heads."
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! That's funny. No need to comment about that statement. You just made my case. Thanks.....
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Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 3088
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 17, 2008 - 10:42 am: |
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"Wow, I was almost tempted to read all of the warmed-over mush that "enchanted" served up since she seems to have suddenly acquired the facility to write normally."
Thank you. I knew I was not he only one to notice this. If you research her pervious posts from the past to recently to just this one, you will immediately notice something: It went from writing cogent literate posts to barely understandable illiterate nonsense to a clear and readable post. Why..?????
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Brownbeauty123
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 17, 2008 - 11:30 am: |
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NTFS, while you made some really good points, you would be surprised to find out the REAL reason why SOME black women (which is probably more than we like to think) are addicted to false extensions.
I searched for the link made by a young woman, but I can't seem to find it anymore. She created a thread discussing how ugly she felt once she took out her weave, and that she was addicted to the admiration she received from wearing long wavy hair that made her look mixed. The type of hair she wore gave her an exotic look, and men were often complimenting her on how she looked Dominican or half Indian. She claims that she so often was mistaken for being another race, that she herself started to believe she was something other than Black. She lied about being multiracial when people inquired about her ethnicity.
When she would take out her weave, she hated what she saw in the mirror--a small short afro, all tangled up. It reminded her that she was not exotic, she was not mixed, and that she was just a regular Black girl.
When she created that post other women applauded her for being brutally honest, and some admitted to feeling the same way too. They liked all the preferential treatment they garnered for looking different, & having long wavy hair that looked real, and noticed black men treated them differently, some even claimed black folks as a whole were nicer to them.
This is really deep IMO. I saw a picture of the young woman, and from what I could see she didn't looked mixed but that still doesn't make her story any less real. You don't know how much self hate that occurs on these black hair sites, where so many women are coming out and being honest about how they are addicted to the attention of having "good hair". Some of them are even obsessed with other races hair, one lady said everytime she saw a hispanic woman with long hair she'd just stop and stare & admire it's beauty. This is not normal. I think the only thing that can help black women like that is therapy. Real pychological help is the only thing IMO that will cure this kind of self hatred. All this preaching we've been doing for years is not going to do any good IMO |
Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 3090
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 17, 2008 - 03:44 pm: |
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"NTFS, while you made some really good points, you would be surprised to find out the REAL reason why SOME black women (which is probably more than we like to think) are addicted to false extensions.
I searched for the link made by a young woman, but I can't seem to find it anymore. She.........., one lady said everytime she saw a hispanic woman with long hair she'd just stop and stare & admire it's beauty. This is not normal. I think the only thing that can help black women like that is therapy. Real pychological help is the only thing IMO that will cure this kind of self hatred. All this preaching we've been doing for years is not going to do any good IMO."
Your points were well made B123 and I would be hard pressed to refute anything you said. Trust me, I've heard all the harsh and critical sentiments made by black women about their hair. As I stated before, I guess the overwhelming media images and daily encounters of women with natural long straight “non-black hair” wears down the psychic of some black women. Their inability to control and manage their hair as they would like, is another contributing factor. My point was that I believe black women should have the choice of wearing their hair anyway they want without being degraded and called unflattering names. And I don't believe black women as a group, hate themselves for being black( as one writer contends), if they decide to perm their hair. Wanting more manageable hair does not mean you hate yourself as total human being. Case in point -I personally know of two white females who do not like their hair. Their hair is somewhat thin, weak and does not really grow very long. They have negatively commented about their hair. But I'm sure they don't hate themselves as a total person because they don't have the type of want they want.
I know a reasonable number of black women are opposed to sista locks and dreads but I have seen some with very impressive hair growth with women who have chosen this particular style. I wrote in this forum before about a black woman I saw walking down the street about four years ago who had grown long thick dreads down to her ankles! Her hair was swaying back and fourth from the back like a blanket when she walked. I have no idea how she carried all that hair around. Now of course that is an extreme example, but it does exist. And I also know about the negative comments from black women about this particular style. I like and I always high five black women when I see it. It's an option.
I think we both agree that this is a very emotional and complex issue. And many black women can become hyper sensitive, very defensive and combative about the subject of hair. I’m sure you will agree to this. I personally do not like fake braids and weaves. They always look fake, un-natural, cheap and gaudy to me. I would personally rather see a black woman wear her hair in any natural hair style she chooses as long as she takes time to groom and prep it. Just my personal opinion........
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Yvettep
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 18, 2008 - 08:14 am: |
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Ah, hair...
I remember how cool I thought my mother and her peers were back in the day. WOmen had a different wig for every occassion: One day they might rock an auburn bob, the next day a long black straight do, followed the next by a huge ANgela Davis fro. I am sure those old wigs were bad on the hair underneath. But they really did allow for a lot of flexibility, making it possible to fully match your hair to your mood and occassion. And I do not recall anyone worrying about whether they were "real" or not any more than anyone thinks about whether one's clothes are real skin. I am so change-averse when it comes to my own hair, I sometimes wish wigs were back in style. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, April 18, 2008 - 12:34 pm: |
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Wigs never went out of style with senior citizens, Yvette. They remain a convenience for them.  |
Yvettep
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Crystal
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I take issue with the “choice” that keeps popping up in these discussions. Where’s the choice when the vast majority of a particular group does the SAME thing ALL the time FOREVER and are encouraged to do so by their mates and the rest of society? The practice is so engrained in our psyches now that most don’t even think about it. It is just something that’s done without question. Don’t you think it strange that the “choice” is almost never what happens naturally? How did that happen? Who made the original “choice” to straighten their hair and how was it forced upon the majority?
And what about “manage”? I take it to mean manage the hair to lay down flat and straight. Of course people find it hard to manage our hair to do that because that’s not what it does. I have no problem “managing” my hair to be a soft, fluffy, nappy ball. But even that is not all “natural” because I do use a bit of Care Free Curl Gold to separate the naps a bit so I can get a fork through it. LOL.
This discussion will be around for a while.
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