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Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6263
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 10:43 am: | 
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Ya'll must think y'all got some FOOLS up in here
From the Huffingtonpost.com
And, by the way, I've studied under more than one feminist scholar, and NONE OF THEM are supporting Senator Clinton - BECAUSE she is running on her husband's resume, the very ANTITHESIS of feminism.
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Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 2628
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 11:01 am: |
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Yes, it is true that Sen. Clinton has travelled a path to power that elite women here and in other countries often travel--through their husbands, brothers, and fathers. But a case could also be made that she is the "better Clinton" and in a different society--one not characterized by sexism--she would have been/felt free to pursue her political career and Bill would be the one now trying to follow.
So, yes. A "real" feminist can be a Clinton supporter. And an Obama supporter. Even a McCain supporter. If true feminism is in large part about women's humanity, intelligence, and freedom to make choices then the answer is yes. |
Chrishayden
"Cyniquian" Level Poster
Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6268
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 11:05 am: |
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How would YOU know? |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6270
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 11:09 am: |
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If she was about anything she would have kicked Bill to the curb and gone out on her own--she was a lawyer. She'd been first lady.
No. She's his SLAVE. She LOOOVES that fool and the way he treats her.
He's a pimp! He has treated the black community like his ho, slapping it around, lying to it, and coming back to it to coo sweet words when he needs it--and here you are calling yourself a femnist and going for it.
For shame to call yourself a feminist and support a pimp! |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 6630
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 11:24 am: |
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"He's a pimp! He has treated the black community like his ho, slapping it around, lying to it, and coming back to it to coo sweet words when he needs it--"
One could say the SAME THING about Obama. Mr. colorblind been dicking your behind too. What, you prefer Black men? Once you go Black you never go back?
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 11435
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 11:26 am: |
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Oh shut up, chrishayden. What would you do if you didn't have blogs to brainwash you??
Hillary has exploited and used her husband to her advantage. Her ambition was more important to her than his fidelity. Any true feminist could discern these implications. These pseudo twats don't know a ruthless
b i t c h when they see one.
And it's already been established that the white feminist community is a joke. The way they rationalize not supporting Hillary is typically feminine and reeks of cattiness. Incidentally you're also a joke. YOu really think you're an expert on feminism. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6272
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 11:29 am: |
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twats
(Twats? Is this femnism?) |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6273
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 11:31 am: |
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One could say the SAME THING about Obama. Mr. colorblind been dicking your behind too. What, you prefer Black men? Once you go Black you never go back?
(Don't try to talk Black. You got to come some other kind of way.
You an Oreo Cookie, Tonya. All we need is the milk--come to think of it--that's the Clintons!) |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 11437
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 11:40 am: |
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That's right, Chrishayden. Resort to frivolity when you can't come up with a credible response.  |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6278
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 11:52 am: |
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Twats? You were the one who called other women twats.
You can clean this up if you want. Blame it on the meds. Whatever. I can forgive you.
I don't know what the "twats" will do, though. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 9896
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 11:55 am: |
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Yvettep: "But a case could also be made that she is the "better Clinton" and in a different society--one not characterized by sexism--she would have been/felt free to pursue her political career and Bill would be the one now trying to follow."
What is there about Hillary that she has accomplished in her own right that suggest that she is the "better Clinton"? EVERY significant position she's achieved has been via being the wife of a popular, smart and charimatic president/governor.
Women like Supreme Court Justices Sandra Day O'Connor and Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Speaker the House Nancy Pelosi are much more honorable and credible standard bearers of Feminism than Hillary. Because NOBODY attributes their position and success to their husbands. Hell, most of us don't even know who the hell their husbands ARE. |
Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 6631
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 12:06 pm: |
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"You an Oreo Cookie, Tonya. All we need is the milk--come to think of it--that's the Clintons!"
No brotha, I'm the sane centrist when it comes to Black politics. I'm trapped between the delusional pie-in-the-sky-niggahs and the sexist Black-power extremists like you, and my job is to keep the balance.
Like this here.
see?
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 11440
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 12:07 pm: |
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Well, folks, what is it about Obama that elevates him to being a cadidate for canonization. Or about any of the men candidates running for office. Why is a woman held to a higher standard? We're talking politics here. She's not running for the position of Mother Superior. And I've never heard Clinton refer to herself as a feminist. She's a re-elected senator and her being hard as nails stands her in good stead.
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Yvettep
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Username: Yvettep
Post Number: 2630
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 12:42 pm: |
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What is there about Hillary that she has accomplished in her own right that suggest that she is the "better Clinton"?
I am talking right out of the gate, before either began their political careers. When they were in their caps and gowns, was she brighter than Bill? More ambitious? More passionate about politics? I don't know, but some have argued that she was but, like so many women, put her career on simmer earlier on in favor of his aspirations.
And I am not talking so much of HRC as a feminist herself, but of the possibility that a voter who describes her- or himself as a feminist could support her and still be considered a feminist. (I thought that was what Chris was asking, but sometimes I do not get Chris's meaning  ) And I still say the answer to that is yes.
And just to be clear, I describe myself as a liberal (not necessarily a "Democrat"), a feminist/womanist, an African American woman, and an Obama supporter. |
Yvettep
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Post Number: 2631
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 12:43 pm: |
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Hell, most of us don't even know who the hell their husbands ARE.
LOL, ABM: true! |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 11447
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 01:16 pm: |
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I know that Sandra Day O'Conner's husband has developed Alzeimers and has been put in a nursing home. And since being committed there, he has become attached to one of his female inmates. Sandra has no problem with this. She just wants him to be happy because he had to give up his lucrative legal career to be a house husband when she became appointed to the supreme court. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 11448
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 01:30 pm: |
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BTW, chrishayden, I make no excuses for the derogatorty names I use when referring to white feminists because I think they are frauds. I don't consider myself a feminist and the reason I'm not one is because, unlike those we claim to be feminists, I realize that to be equal with men, women have to come down a notch.  |
Ferociouskitty
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Username: Ferociouskitty
Post Number: 13
Registered: 02-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 01:38 pm: |
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Cynique:
Did you mean to call the woman in the nursing home an "inmate"??? :-)
Interestingly, there is a current Oscar-nominated film that explores a similar theme (but the "inmate" in this case is the female spouse w/Alzheimer's who falls for a male "inmate"), "Away from Her". I haven't seen it, but my s.o. says he really liked it "even though it's a chick flick <wink,>."
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 11451
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 01:48 pm: |
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Well, I thought about what term to use. What should it have been? A fellow "patient"? The lady has Alzeimer's, too. "resident"? what? |
Ferociouskitty
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Post Number: 14
Registered: 02-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 01:52 pm: |
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LOL @ Cynique. "Patient" or "resident" would work--and not imply a prison sentence!!!
(I wish I knew how to post that rolling laughing smiley...giggling) |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 11452
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 02:00 pm: |
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 Well, actually, my hesitancy stemmed from inmate as it applies to an insane asylum. I didn't think it was politically correct to call Alzeimer patients "crazy". 
There was another picture that had a simliar theme revolving around a character with Alzeimer's, based on the bestselling novel "The Notebook". |
Ferociouskitty
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 02-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 02:11 pm: |
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My great-grandmother had Alzheimer's, and she wasn't crazy; she was comedy. In many ways, it was a relief for my family, like laughing to keep from crying. She was very prim and proper and fashionable in her pre-Alz days, but transformed into a veritable 90-plus-year-old potty-mouth. With the nerve to have a raging libido (well, the nerve to talk like she had one anyway). :-) |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 11454
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 02:22 pm: |
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Yes, alzeimers can bring about a change in people's personalities. It has certainly changed mine....I used to be nice.
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Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 9901
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 02:26 pm: |
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Yvettep: "I am talking right out of the gate, before either began their political careers. When they were in their caps and gowns, was she brighter than Bill? More ambitious? More passionate about politics? I don't know, but some have argued that she was but, like so many women, put her career on simmer earlier on in favor of his aspirations."
There's no way we can POSSIBLY know what all that means or how it all would play out. But I recall hearing or reading somewhere that Hillary bragged to someone that Bill would someday be president when they first started DATING. That suggests to me that she found him to a very FORMIDABLE man. And I've also read and heard Clinton is estimated to have the highest IQ of anyone to have every been president, that he rates well within the genius range.
Hell. Dude was a RHODES SCHOLAR!
Look. I have LOTS of criticism of Bill Clinton. I think he had an opportunity to be a great president and he just flatout BLEW it. But I just don't see any evidence or indication that Hillary is in ANY way superior to him.
If anything, I see quite the OPPOSITE of that. |
Abm
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Username: Abm
Post Number: 9902
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 02:35 pm: |
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Yvettep,
I too think a good feminist can be a supporter of Hillary Clinton. But I can also see why another good feminist might not think as much about her as one might assume a good feminist should. |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 11458
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 02:58 pm: |
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It would help if people could absorb the biological reality that men and women are not the same, that their brains are wired differently. Then they would stop trying to compare them to each other. |
Enchanted
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Username: Enchanted
Post Number: 1179
Registered: 11-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 03:16 pm: |
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HIlary lacks charisma
Hilary is old
Hilary 'reads' all her speechs
HIlary soun like politisian
Hilary has no 'cool factor
Bill had all that
so do Obama
them right candidate can trasend race
the right canddiate can transcend gender
nothng els matters
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 11461
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 03:22 pm: |
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Then why is Hillary still leading in the national polls? And why has she won in the most populous states? I've never seen her read a speech. She is quite able to think on her feet and has a lot of poise. But none of this matters to people who are bedazzled by style instead of substance, which is what the suave glib Obama has going for him. |
Enchanted
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Post Number: 1183
Registered: 11-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 03:34 pm: |
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all Hilary EVERE DOES is read tha goddmn
speech lately
an she is DONE now
Tuessay Obama sweeps the lead with 3 stats
he just won 5 included Virgin Islands
Obama wil also win Ohio Texas
Gore is to endorse him watch!
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Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 11466
Registered: 01-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 04:04 pm: |
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Hillary is not "done". Trust. Her influence will be felt at convention time. In a way she should be relieved to be out of the line of fire. Now we'll see if Obama's thin resume can withstand the Republican onslaught. |
Enchanted
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Post Number: 1186
Registered: 11-2005
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Obama will easily get the 2025 delgates befor the conventin by winning Texas an Ohio
HIlary in no position to mak deals |
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