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Tonya
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Username: Tonya
Post Number: 6434
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 01:50 am: | 
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He pulled an Angry Black Man \ O. J. Simpson \ Nino Brown and shit! Dayem! I thought he'd pull a gat out for a minute. I was like, if y'all know what's good for y'all y'all better drop and eat the goddamn flo!
(LOLOLOLOL!!!)
Obama and Clinton Tangle at Debate
In the most intense and personal exchange of the presidential campaign, Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama assailed each other’s integrity and voting records during a televised debate on Monday in South Carolina, the site of a critical primary in five days.
If the debate was full of memorable moments — Mrs. Clinton accusing Mr. Obama of associating with a “slum landlord,” Mr. Obama saying he felt as if he were running against both Hillary and Bill Clinton, the two candidates talking over each other — the totality of the attacks also laid bare the ill will and competitive ferocity that has been simmering between them for weeks.
“You know, Senator Obama, it is very difficult having a straight-up debate with you, because you never take responsibility for any vote, and that has been a pattern,” Mrs. Clinton said, drawing a chorus of jeers from a crowd at the Palace Theater in Myrtle Beach, S.C.
Mr. Obama shot back that Mrs. Clinton was conducting a brand of negative politics that, he suggested throughout the night, she and her husband had perfected: “comb my 4,000 votes in Illinois, choose one, try to present it in the worst possible light.” He added that he had sought to maintain “a certain credibility” in the race.
Both candidates believe the Democratic nomination could be sealed in the next six weeks, and they used this debate, the second-to-last one of the primary season, to unload their best opposition research and sound bites against each other. In some cases, it was the first time the candidates had personally confronted each other on potentially embarrassing points.
As she has never done before, Mrs. Clinton linked Mr. Obama to a longtime fund-raiser, whom she characterized as a slumlord in “inner-city Chicago.”
Mrs. Clinton was referring to Mr. Obama’s ties to Antoin Rezko, a Chicago businessman who was indicted last fall on federal charges of business fraud and influence peddling connected to the administration of Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich of Illinois. Mr. Obama did work for a law firm in Chicago and performed legal work involving Mr. Rezko’s housing developments. On Saturday, Mr. Obama returned more than $40,000 in political contributions that were linked to Mr. Rezko.
And Mr. Obama, who appeared on the verge of losing his temper at times, noted that she was on the board of Wal-Mart while he was working on “the streets” as a Chicago community organizer. Mrs. Clinton was a director of Wal-Mart from 1986 to 1992.
The third Democratic contender, John Edwards, had to fight to speak. He tried to portray himself as the only candidate who was focusing on the real issues, criticizing the others for squabbling among themselves when health care and other issues go unresolved. At the same time, he tried make an appeal for his own electability in November against a Republican candidate like John McCain, saying he could “go every place” in the country to campaign.
Mr. Edwards, the winner of the South Carolina primary in 2004, also slashed into his leading rival in the state, Mr. Obama, by portraying him as weak-willed for voting “present” — rather than yea or nay — on scores of bills as an Illinois state senator.
For the most part, the sparring focused on the major issues in the primary contest, from the candidates’ plans on the economy and universal health care to their past and current positions on the Iraq war and free trade. Yet at the same time, the subtext of the attacks dwelled on honesty and accountability, with Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama repeatedly implying that voters could not trust the opponent’s words.
Mr. Obama was as heated and intense as he has been at any debate over the last year. At times, he appeared angry and close to expressing it at Mrs. Clinton — and also at her husband, Bill Clinton, whom Mr. Obama criticized frequently during the debate for what he said were distortions of his views and record by the former president.
“I’m here,” Mrs. Clinton said, “not my husband.”
Mr. Obama snapped, “I can’t tell who I’m running against sometimes.” At several other points, he used the phrase “Senator Clinton and President Clinton” to re-enforce his view that he is facing off against a decades-old Clinton machine.
Mr. Clinton was neither onstage nor in the audience, but he played a central role in the debate. Asked whether he had crossed the line as a former president, Mrs. Clinton smiled and raised the names of both of her rivals’ wives.
“This campaign is not about our spouses, it’s about us. Michelle and Elizabeth are strong and staunch advocates for their husbands,” Mrs. Clinton said. “At the end of the day, voters are going to have to choose among us.”
Still, the questions persisted about Mr. Clinton, who is scheduled to spend the week campaigning in South Carolina as Mrs. Clinton travels elsewhere. Mr. Obama, who would be the nation’s first black president, was asked about how the author Toni Morrison had bestowed that title on Mr. Clinton more than a decade ago.
“I think Bill Clinton did have an enormous affinity with the African-American community,” Mr. Obama said, praising Mr. Clinton for his longtime commitment to racial equality as a man who grew up in the South.
Lightening the moment, he added: “I would have to investigate more Bill’s dancing abilities and some of this other stuff before I accurately judged whether in fact he was a brother.”
Mrs. Clinton replied, “I am sure that can be arranged.”
full article http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/us/politics/22dems.html?ref=politics |
Robynmarie
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Post Number: 640
Registered: 04-2006
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 10:37 am: |
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I imagine Senator Obama was one helluva college professor. He reminds me so much of some of the tiresome Phds. I know. When he tries to go "gangsta" it comes off as whining.
Why is he wasting precious campaign time arguing with/about Bill Clinton? When will Senator Obama put forth his affirmative plan for solving this country's ills in language everyone can understand? Senator obama will never win a fight against the Clintons. They are too skilled and too ruthless. He is playing into their hands and allowing them to throw him off message.
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Tonya
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Post Number: 6435
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…LOL, in addition to being too whiney he’s got two problems. 1) He brought his frustrations about Nevada to the debate and it showed. ...which made him look and sound eccentric and irrational, imo. 2) The horrid details about him last night, along w/his flaws on almost every issue, will be used against him rather convincingly for the remainder of his campaign. If he thinks he had it rough in Vegas, whoaa, he better think again, lol! In contrast, I thought Hillary did an effective job in simply holding her ground.
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Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 01:12 pm: |
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Obama is paying too much attention to his advisors instead of following his own instincts. They have apparently told him to "man up" and go on the attack, but he looked uncomfortable in his pit bull role. He should just put forth his program and stop the repetitive he-said she-said bickering.
And Hillary needs to relegate Bill to the backgroud. He is coming on too strong, sending a subliminal message that if she is elected, he will be in charge.  |
Chrishayden
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 01:27 pm: |
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And Hillary needs to relegate Bill to the backgroud. He is coming on too strong, sending a subliminal message that if she is elected, he will be in charge.
(Why should she lie? If she' elected she will owe it all to him--and so all your femnist dreams go up in smoke as the master pimp takes over-- |
Abm
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Chris,
Hell. The only plausible reason to vote for Hillary IS because Bill might be in charge. Otherwise, WTF reason is there to vote for her? |
Cynique
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Username: Cynique
Post Number: 11249
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 02:39 pm: |
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I am not a feminist, chrishayden. And why shouldn't Hillary lie? Everybody else does. Your whole campaign against her revolves around your obsessive belief that she is a liar. |
Chrishayden
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Username: Chrishayden
Post Number: 6153
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 02:43 pm: |
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Roseanne's new tirade against Oprah and Obama
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/22/roseannes-new-tirade-aga_n_82665.html
It seems like Hillary has the crazed,burnt out dope addict vote sewed up!
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Chrishayden
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 02:44 pm: |
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am not a feminist, chrishayden
(Naw--yer a self described 'cullurd wench who has the hots for Millard Fillmore. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 02:50 pm: |
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And you are a crazed, one-note, off-key ranter, chrishayden. An empty wagon who makes the most noise.  |
Yukio
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 09:21 pm: |
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i didn't see it, but did Obama really look "angry." When journalists use these terms, I often think of the angry black man stereotype, the idea that racism induced an emotional rage(read irrational). |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 02:29 pm: |
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His body language mirrored frustration, to me. |
Yvettep
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 04:54 pm: |
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Yukio, IMO Sen. Obama is damned if he does/damned if he doesn't. If he does not respond or does not respond forcefully, he could be accused of not being tough enough...not standing up for himself...being too "cerebral" or "professorial," even "not Black enough," etc. If he does respond or he responds with some forcefulness, he is, indeed, the scary angry Black man. LOL
But by the same token, Sen Clinton faces the same dilemma in her responses: measured responses=she's "cold" or a b**** or is "not human" while more forceful responses=she's "too emotional" or is "shrill" or (interestingly) also a b****.
Interesting times... |
Yvettep
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 04:57 pm: |
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Here is one viewpoint of the gap between Sen Obama's reactions and the way the media sometimes describes them, complete with a video clip: http://jackandjillpolitics.blogspot.com/2008/01/making-obama-angry-black-man.htm l |
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