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Abm
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January 07, 2008
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Clinton and Obama, Johnson and King
Clinton rejoined the running argument over hope and "false hope" in an interview in Dover this afternoon, reminding Fox's Major Garrett that while Martin Luther King Jr. spoke on behalf of civil rights, President Lyndon Johnson was the one who got the legislation passed.
Hillary was asked about Obama's rejoinder that there's something vaguely un-American about dismissing hopes as false, and that it doesn't jibe with the careers of figures like like John F. Kennedy and King.
"Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act," Clinton said. "It took a president to get it done."
Clinton didn't explicitly compare herself to Johnson, or Obama to King. But it seems an odd example for the argument between rhetoric and action, as there's little doubt which figure's place in history and the American imagination is more secure.
"The power of that dream became real in people's lives because we had a president" capable of action, Clinton said.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Clinton_and_Obama_Johnson_and_King.h tml#comments
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Tonya
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Why is ‘Grandma Obama’ Still Living in a Hut?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/12/obamas_grandma_lives_in_a_tiny.html
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Tonya
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Video:
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/07/kenya.obama.relatives/?iref=newssearc h#cnnSTCVideo
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Enchanted
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why shoulnt she live in a hut? whats wrong wit her way of living? you r so ignorant |
Cynique
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What Hillary said was quite accurate. Some of Obama's supporters seem to be totally incapable of recognizing the truth when they see or hear it.  |
Yvettep
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I disagree. What she was *trying* to say was accurate, but it may not have come out the way she intended. Since then she has clarified, and this whole thing seems to be a little blown out of proportion.
I will say that I in general am annoyed when people attempt to re-write history to make it seem that the only thing that MLK and others did was dream, talk and march. That is a huge blow to the active, savvy--not to mention dangerous-- hard work of many men, women and children. I also am annoyed when folks try to make it seem like presidents helped Black folks out of the goodness of their hearts. Most have felt they had to respond because of changing times, broader circumstances, and pressure from internal and external forces.
IMO, Johnson was no different in this regard.
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Cynique
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Johnson was doing what he promised to do after Kennedy was assassinated; which was to make sure JFKs civil rights proposals got passed.
Black leaders always appealed to a sitting president to use his power and influence to make civil rights the law of the land because they knew without the support of the chief executive, all the marching and demonstrating would go for naught.
Harry Truman pushed to have the armed forces desegrated and LBJ rammed the civils rights bill through. Who is to say what their ulterior motives were, but I'm sure that in both cases it had something to do with them being ideas whose time had come. |
Yvettep
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I'm sure that in both cases it had something to do with them being ideas whose time had come.
Yes. Which is why giving so much credit to the presidents' personal role is, IMO, annoying. And again, there were often (some would argue, always) broader goals that were needing to be accomplished--more "warm bodies" to fight wars, not being an international embarassment when trying to export "American democracy" abroad, etc. |
Urban_scribe
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Bob Johnson Criticizes Obama
Jan 13 08:20 PM US/Eastern
By PHILIP ELLIOTT
Associated Press Writer
COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) - One of Hillary Rodham Clinton's most prominent black supporters said Sunday he was insulted by the characterization by rival Barack Obama's presidential campaign of her remarks about the civil rights movement.
Bob Johnson, the nation's first black billionaire and founder of the BET cable television network, said Obama's campaign had acted dishonestly and had distorted Clinton's remarks about Martin Luther King Jr.
Johnson also seemed to hint at Obama's acknowledged youthful drug use, an issue that led another Clinton campaign official to resign. Johnson later denied that was the case.
Clinton was quoted just before the New Hampshire primary as saying King's dream of racial equality was realized only when President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Some black leaders have criticized that remark as suggesting Johnson deserved more credit than the slain civil rights leader for the passage and enactment of major civil rights legislation.
While introducing Clinton at Columbia College on Sunday, Johnson criticized Obama's camp.
Read full article: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8U5BIU82&show_article=1
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Abm
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U_S,
Do you think Bob Johnson's support of Clinton and criticism of Obama helps or hurts Hillary's standing with Black foks?
My vote is, if does either, it's more likely the latter. |
Yvettep
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Isn't Bob Johnson a Republican? |
Yvettep
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P.S. Not that there's anything wrong with that... ;-) |
Abm
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This morning, I watched via CSPAN a Democratic State Senator quite eloquently, yet impartially, describe Hillary's error. He noted that while in Congress LBJ voted against EVERY Civil Rights bill presented to him. He noted it took the very ardent, painful, bloody and, often even, DEADLY urgings of foks like MLK to compel President LBJ to do what Senator LBJ would not.
A savvy, astute politician would have made the point Hillary was (presumably) attempting to make WHILE recognizing and praising the enormous and vitally NECESSARY contributions made by Dr. King and others in a way that he-she might have even stole some of Obama's thunder.
I imagine a younger and more politically virile BILL Clinton would have done just that.
Btw: The State Senator is, ironies of irony, a WHITE MALE. |
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