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Disciple724
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Please give your opinion and supporting commentary> |
Cynique
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Who are you talking to and what is the question? |
Disciple724
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Cyn.
You, First this one: The human souls that behave poorly in our communities
and are kiling each other, crowding the prisons, cemetaries and our
ghettos, why do you say that they behave this way?
then the topic. |
Disciple724
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Kitty,
My name is Joseph and your reference to scripture caught my attention. Are you of Christ? |
Cynique
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If I knew the answer to your loaded qestion I would be a black messiah.
Why do you think they're the way they are? Because they watch too much TV and white people are forcing black women to have a bunch of babies that can't raise or control because they don't have husbands to help raise them? |
Disciple724
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Cyn,
What kind of answer was that? I asked for your opinion and you answered my question with a rash of rant-filled questions.
Yesterday, you spoke of courage, yet you cower in the guise of your cynicism. Show so guts and answer the question: What do you think, in general, is motivating our wayward brothers, sisters, sons, daughters to behave this way.
Its easy to tear down someone else's answers. Well, submit your own if you have one. After all that’s what we are searching for; I'm here to build not to tear someone down. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 12526
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You try to dictate the debate by defining your own terms and enforcing your own rules and portraying yourself as noble. If you had any sense of satire, you would recognize my statement as my answer. It's just not what you wanted to hear because you want me to supply you with material to rebut.
Now, - what is your answer to this:The human souls that behave poorly in our communities and are kiling each other, crowding the prisons, cemetaries and our ghettos, why do you say that they behave this way? |
Cynique
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And who's ranting any more than you?? |
Disciple724
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CYN:
What compels one human being to look at another, and conclude that the counterparty's life is not worth as much as a shiny gold chain so that he takes action on that idea?
Where, in your opinion, is the origin of that thought?
I ask because it is a phenomenon that appears to be happening with an alarming frequency in our communities, yet not to the same degree or frequency in communities of other races or cultures in America.
I don't think you have to be Christ to answer this, but if you don't know, then how can you so easily dismiss my statement. |
Hen81
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I think media magnifies and gloryfies a segment of our culture with a message that has an eroneous payoff. In music videos we see thugging with payoffs of money, power, fame, women and glory. MTV Cribs shows the real life riches of those video thugs. MTV does not show the manicures, pedicures, meetings with agents, managers and handlers that the smart operaters of that group employ.
Many of these folks have moved out of their harsh environments when fame and fortune rolls in. The culture of club partying and hook-ups is not so fun when you are not a high roller. Illegitimate children are the result of the "loaded out of my skull" one-night-stand. Jail, prison or death is the result of the real-life thugathon. A lower standard of living is the result of non-stop clubbing instead of school, college or holding a steady full-time job. I'm not blaming hip-hop but it is and should be entertainment, not a way of life. When i was coming up I knew I could not dress like Bootsy Collins or Earth, Wind and Fire and get a job
Media is a partial blame but a lack of discipline is the major cause. Wanting everything right now and not expecting to start out small.
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Cynique
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Well, I pretty much agree with what Hen108 says. It's all about a false set of values and associating material things with personal worth.
Parents are who supply children with real self-esteem, and in an environment teeming with fatherless children because babies' mamas keep hooking up with different men, then it's not surprising that this negative superficiality perpetuates itself. Is blaming white folks and the media for the shape blacks are in getting us anywhere? At some point we gotta take charge of our own problems. When Obama suggested this, Jesse Jackson got resentful. And so it goes.
And I ask, who in prime time TV is supplying the wrong images for black kids? The last I looked, which was last night, white horny Julia Louis Dreyfus was making a fool of herself over black Blair Underwood on her TV show, "The New Adventures of Old Christine". |
Ferociouskitty
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My name is Joseph and your reference to scripture caught my attention. Are you of Christ?
Yes, I am a Christian. |
Disciple724
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Hen81, I haven't gotten around to ordering your book yet, be patient I will.
Are you suggesting that we should get the pleasure from listening to the records and watch the booty shaking videos, but don't ever act on it. That the same hypocritical lifestyle that push Elliot Spitzer over the edge. That’s wholly unrealistic. You become what you eat, and I speak from experience. The type of discipline that you speak of is rare if it exist it all and it would take a man a lifetime to develop. Flirting with temptation hardly sounds like a strategy for change. Besides placing all the blame on the user, while absolving the producer from all blame is denial. IMO |
Disciple724
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Cynique,
I am the 6th of 8 children, that my mother had. we were fathered by 5 different men; I never new mine ever ( I don't hold it against him as I now ub=nderstand), nor any of the others until my mother passed when I was nine. I work hard and long, and have seen many of hard workers in my day. None of us can compare to her efforts and dedication.
My older sister's father, one of the men that I learned of afeter she passed, as she went to live with him, would rape her on a regular basis. Should she have stayed with instead of seeking someone better? If so I would not exist. Is she guilty for falling in love with a bad person? You can't help who you fall in love with; Satan himself is very charming. Nor can you make someone stay with you. Is she wrong for trying to find a father for us?
I have to pause... please consider this for now. |
Cynique
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Well, not using birth control pills seems to be a contributing factor in why so many black women get themselves in a bind. If you hadn't been born, then you wouldn't know the difference. That's a cold answer but it's a cold world out there. Sad stories don't solve problems. They just exemplfy them. |
Disciple724
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Cyn,
The point I was driving at, is this approach of blaming the victims in an opressive system is generally wrong. Am I making excuses; no! but the nature of the problems or twist and convalute, but they have a deep root and we all have to find ways of troubleshooting it. I have mentioned just one of them with the media, and the moguls that control it. They influence both how we see ourselves and also how others see us as well. We need to take back control of that. How, I am not 100% sure, but I know that this a big part of the problem. |
Disciple724
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Cyn,
There are two components that make up the ego, and intelligence; sapient and sentient. It is clear that while you may be adequate in one, you are grossly deficient in the other.
Good day and God Bless. |
Cynique
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But victims can help themselves by doing simple things that would enable them to take charge of their lives. In many cases they buy into The System. Victimization is too easy to embrace and it has made black folks more dependent, rather than less. There are no blanket solutions to the dilemmas of the black community. But a lot of problems could be alleviated by folks taking a little personal responsibility. |
Disciple724
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Cyn,
If you want to exterminate a race, not only do you kill them, you make sure they don't reproduce. You would of made one hell of a house slave, you ve got the perfect mind set for it. |
Cynique
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Oooh here we go with that BS. What do you think black-on-black-crime is, if not genocide? And who supplies the victims and the victimizers for this situation?? Babies' mamas.
And it ain't like you qualify for being a field slave. You're too big a cry baby.
Buh Bye. |
Carey
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Hello
Excuse me, is this the Upper Room. Someone told me the squabbling couple Mr. Wizard and Cynique moved up here?
They also said Ntfs could be found rolling around with laughter.
They are all friends of mine and I had to leave and I thought they would be here? I see a few things laying on the floor but I'll look around the block and maybe they will return.
I'll just step over this baby bottle and all these tissues. So much destruction. Done run folks up in the house.
I am full, took that tie off too. My gut is hanging all over the place. |
Disciple724
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HAH!
It got heated up in here! Up in here! |
Carey
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Yeah Disciple, that can happen. Had my stupid behind up to late last night. I enjoyed your company as well as Cyn-Cyn's. Cyn-Cyn and I have danced to many songs. She knows I love her, if I didn't enjoy her company I wouldn't engage her in conversation and surely wouldn't give her a nickname. That's reserved for those I respect and like. She is a ball of fire isn't she. There's no quit in her, no sir-ree. I like that in her. I can't imagine having two bullies like.....well, one bully and myself, coming at her from all directions. She put up a great fight. I think she even won a few battles. I know she did. She's got that name calling thang down to a science. She hit me in the gut a few times. Took some good jabs at you as well. I think she secretly love the fights. Why else would she even fool with two ego-maniac like us. Oh no, I don't want to start another thread on egos.
The board lays quite, I think I'll move aside and give it a little air. I KNOW, you are just getting started. But don't make your move to soon. Don't show your hold card. Economics major I am not but I've been somewhere. Maybe lunch sometime.....ON YOU *LOL*.
Well young man....(I think you are younger than I) *don't Thump* it's been a blast. We will probably meet again. I have a little speech to give in Chicago this weekend and I'd better prepare. Cynique has giving me something to think about and so have you. Thank you for the exchanges and compliments.
Carey
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Disciple724
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Carey,
Much success! |
Cynique
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Oh, come on, Carey. It ain't that serious. No reason for you to retreat into lurker-land. We all like your Sunday musings. You're an off-beat character, and I, for one, appreciate your uniqueness. Stick around, guy.
Disciple, no reason for you to stop "spreading the word", either. I'm not here to chase people away. A lot of newbies have surrounded themselves with like-minded people who reinforce their views. When they come to this site, they are often jolted out of their comfort zone by the opinions of others. But that's what Life is all about. |
Disciple724
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Cyn,
I apologized for SOME of my words and in, general my tone.
No offense, but people generally associate with people around things they have in common. Other than color, I don't know what that is ( exception to a few people).
While some find it amusing and funny watching us fight and bicker and in the end come to no resolve, I have watched this all my life and I no longer find it amusing. I have a son to raise, and the odds are( I am a numbers man) it looks like I am going to lose another one.
So while you may think that I am here to" reinforce my views"; I am not. I came here to find resolutions not fight. God Bless and Peace to You. |
Cynique
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Well, my dear, this cyber board may not be the place to find resolutions. Deal with "reality". That's a good word for you to anaylize.
You might also consider that wending your way through life is an exercise in trial and error. You just have to do the best you can. There are no absolutes or perfect solutions but, of course, hope floats. |
Cynique
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And, BTW, stop making the media your crutch. Find another excuse, something which might enable you to walk on your own and pursue pragmatic solutions. |
Disciple724
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White folks create their own reality, In less than a few years they will totally transform a neigherhood (pick one)It takes time but the work together, but they get it done. Asians get it done too( to wit Flushing in less tahn a decade). Why can't we, or is their assertion that we are the inferior race and spend all are time and energy fighting one another true? That seems to be all we do!
Note: I am paraphasing from a discussion that I was having with a white collegue. ( I held my tongue and just listened) See recent Topic. |
Cynique
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It's a myth that all other ethnicities are monolithic and have a collective consciouness except Black Americans. But it sounds good when you're trying to dramatize the problem which is what you specialize in.
You seem to focus on all the negativity about us. There are 40 million of Black Americans and we are not all in the shape you insist that we are. How you think Obama got where he is?
If you'd just stop being a martyr and concentrate on individual success, you'd be less frustrated. In a capitalistic imperilistic country like the USA, life is not fair. And so it goes. |
Disciple724
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For your info,
I don't uses cructhes, and I don't search for these answers for myself. I grew up out of poverty and yet much of career have earned north of $450,000/year doing what was percieved to be honest work (though I truly know there is little honesty in a deceptive world). So I am not making excues, because I personally am excused everyday.
After a 7 year sabbbatical I have as of 2 years started my own Financial Research Company. Most of my subscribers are professionals advisors themselves, but pay me hansomely to advise them. So I do more than stand on my own two feet I kick ass on my own two feet.
If it were capable for me to only be thinking of myself; I would even be having this discussion on this board or with you. But I search for these answers not for the strong, but for the weak. For any strong man can fight his own battles, But I am about fighting for the oppressed as is MY faith.
Now I know your position, you have stated it well, and you are entitled to it. But so am I, so if you don't like what I have to say, you can as you said, " opt not to respond". Thank you. |
Cynique
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 a little testy, aren't we? |
Disciple724
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"It's a myth that all other ethnicities are monolithic and have a collective consciousness except Black Americans. But it sounds good when you're trying to dramatize the problem which is what you specialize in.
You seem to focus on all the negativity about us. There are 40 million of Black Americans and we are not all in the shape you insist that we are. How you think Obama got where he is? "
There are 40 million Black American in a country that measures its wealth in Trillions.
Are any "Black Owned" Enterprises are in the top 1000 wealthiest companies (a collective group of individuals)? It's no myth that they unify and get it done, there is plenty of history to reflect this.
How many blacks are on the Boards of these same companies?
In a world full of trillions; How many Black Billionaires are there ( hint: 1 and its not Oprah)
Now you make take solace and live vicariously through a few successful "icons" but its obvious that you don't travel much or, if you do, you're not very observant. Or is that you stand firmly in your self induced infallible cynical world.
4, 40, 400, 4000 out of 4 million next to trillions is peanuts relatively speaking. Let's not Don't living through cultural pimps!
Conversely, for every "successful" person that you name from our race, I can bet you that there are 100 in prison, 500 in poverty and I know I am being conservative. a relative few of us make a little progress and you want us to go strutting and crowing like "George and Wheezy" like we accomplished something! No thanks, you can keep that niggardly thinking for yourself. We should have much, much, better! |
Ferociouskitty
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No thanks, you can keep that niggardly thinking for yourself. We should have much, much, better!
Niggardly
adj.
1. reluctant to give or spend; stingy; miserly.
2. meanly or ungenerously small or scanty: a niggardly tip to a waiter.
–adverb
3. in the manner of a niggard.
In recent years, a staffer in the DC mayor's office resigned after the fallout that occurred when he used the word, properly, I might add. I believe there was at least one other similar situaion elsewhere. |
Disciple724
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I meant in in the context of "small" I am aware of the definition. But thanks anyway! |
Ferociouskitty
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Thanks for clarifying! |
Disciple724
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No doubt because some insist on apply "their own definition" to what a word means. |
Cynique
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What do your figures have to do with what I said in regard to other ethnicities not being monolithic, Dissciple?? Now you've gone from blaming the media for black problems to blaming Blacks for not being like Asians.
Do you ever do anything besides gripe and moan and apply adjectives to people??? Why don't you run for president so you can fix everything, Super N i g g a?? |
Disciple724
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What do your figures have to do with what I said in regard to other ethnicities not being monolithic, Dissciple?? Now you've gone from blaming the media for black problems to blaming Blacks for not being like Asians.
Do you ever do anything besides gripe and moan and apply adjectives to people??? Why don't you run for president so you can fix everything, Super N i g g a??
These are a lot more solid and unified than we are. Which is the only reason I referenced them and the only quality that we need to be to break the rock like grip their hold on our minds. I used the Asian's as an example. Most of them don't even speak the language, and yet they have ben able to set up their own business and support them. Now every White Corportation is kissing their ass to do business with them; on their terms.
Now I know you worked a looong time servin' "Massa Charlie" and it make you some mad to hear folks talk 'bout hem like dat"; but tough. Just because you opt to work at some weak asS GOVERNMENT job shuffling papers and calling work for 20 years does give you the privilege to throw darts at others for not doing the same.That way they can sit on their ass collecting a pension and calling every else a slacker. Slakers! What job has more slackers than a government post office. Its a prerequisite for the gig to start. I have 3 cousins that took the same punk ass way out, so I know.
Now you can sit back and hope for some "Super Nigga Like Obama to run for president and make things easier while you piss on every one that is looking for meaningful change.
I raise critical questions to provoke critical thinking ( something that you are obviously incapable of). You are good at being cynical and picking fights though, so I guess there is some use for you. Super Bi' aach! |
Disciple724
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I a least give you credit for getting angry about something.
But I my defense I, I don't let white people call me nigga, and being Black don't afford anyone that pleasure either. I admitt that my words were out of line; but Nigga with me is where I draw the line.
Now some of us have gotten quite comfortable with the word. Probably because the media has taught us as a whole that its okay. But its not! It wasn't for my grandmother, nor her mother, nor hers! They could say any thing but I can.
If you want to get mad about something, get mad about that.
This woman has show no sensitivity toward me and my mother, so much as to imply that she should have "contoled my birth". Well she has exercise her free right to speak, and done so without regard to gender. Besides she said her self its a "cruel world" get over it. |
Cynique
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When are you going to get the message. Dissiple?? I don't serve at your pleasure. I don't have a obligation to adhere to your demands and snap to attention every time you come up with some simple-assed question. Why do you need to engage me in a debate, anyway, when you've already made up your mind about everything. For your info, all that you've said has been said before on this board. Same ol, same ol. Been there, done that. |
Cynique
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And you flatter yourself if you think you make me angry. You are misinterpreting things. I find you more amusing that anything else. Anybody who takles 200 words to say what could be said in 2 sentences, is to be snickered at. |
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Wow, um, quite the heated exchange. I find some of it a little difficult to follow. Disciple724, w/r/t your original question I guess I would have to ask you several in return.
First who is the group you are speaking of when you say "our"? For example, if I assume that this means "Black Americans," how can you group all Blacks together under the same "social economic" condition? Certainly the homeless guy I saw at the intersection this morning has a very different socioeconomic position as I do. I, in turn, have a ver different position than Oprah... So who is the Us in "our"?
Second, what do you mean by "media"? It seems that some of the conversation here is about TV. Yet television has seen decreased viewership recently. In certain demographics, more folks spend time gaming than watching TV. Even if we are talking about TV, the increasing narrowing of intended demographics means that there are very few shows that most people watch on a regular basis. The "us" you are talking about probably are not watching the same shows as the "thems."
Finally, what do you assume to be our "social economic condition"? If you use some average figure, say of income or wealth, you have just that: an average. It says nothing about any particular person's income or wealth.
It is just a hard question to answer...too vague. Questions like that in a forum like this give folks nothing to latch onto in order to have a fruitful conversation. I think that is one of the reasons I (and many others) use articles as a jumping off point. That at least gives everyone the same starting position. |
Yvettep
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When i was coming up I knew I could not dress like Bootsy Collins or Earth, Wind and Fire and get a job
LOL @ Hen81! I dunno. It might be fun to be examined by a doctor all decked out in platform shoes and a green satin suit! |
Disciple724
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Thanks
Yvette for your input. |
Cynique
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Yes, Yvette, you are such a refreshing change from the ponderous pontificating of Dissciple.
And BTW, Dissciple, unlike you, I don't feel the need to tout my credentials and status. I have no illusions about working at the Post Office. I never looked upon it as a prestigious job but it paid the bills and I had a sit-down clerical position, something a slacker like me was perfectly content with. |
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