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Chrishayden
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Post Number: 3620
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 04:24 pm: | 
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All the black talk shows here are burning up the airwaves with talk on how Eddie Murphy is really demeaning black women with his new movie.
Whatchall think? |
Abm
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Post Number: 8319
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 04:46 pm: |
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It's highly UNLIKELY I'll see this Norbit crap at the movies. But I find it hilarious that (apparently) so many women think by donning some fake fat chick persona and get-up Murphy is attempting to mischaracterize ALL Black women.
And where were all the complaining with from fat Black MEN during the release of his Nutty Professor movies? |
Abm
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Post Number: 8320
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 04:48 pm: |
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By far the GREATEST offense Murphy's committing is his wholesale lack of ORIGINALITY. I mean, haven't already seen enuff (closeted gay?) Black men in drag in movies lately? |
Yukio
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Post Number: 1750
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 05:10 pm: |
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abm: I mean, haven't already seen enuff (closeted gay?) Black men in drag in movies lately?
Tru, tru, word up!
I think its definitely demeaning! |
Tonya
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Post Number: 4378
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 05:14 pm: |
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I sort of agree with you ABM because from what I've seen of the movie clips it seems like he's satirizing fat people (which is WORSE than a parody of Blk ppl imo cuz too many folks think it's okay to take potshots at them & gays & etc.).
However, there's a lot of us Black women who are loud & sassy so if he's taking shots at that, I totally understand why so many of us are taking it personally. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 7220
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 05:22 pm: |
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The woman Eddie portrays is a stereotype and of course the one he forsakes her for is Thadie Newton, a mixed slender woman. A love triangle like this has to evoke controversy, but from all of the previews it looks like the movie will be hilarious. I really do think that Eddie's studio should've waited until after he won his Oscar before releasing the movie. |
Abm
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Post Number: 8322
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 05:24 pm: |
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Yukio,
I don't know what I find more odd: A) So many male entertainers going the drag route or B) That if we didn't think they were queer before they put on the dress, we sure as hell think that AFTER they've done such.
Maybe they're just trying to use their art to more gradually come out of the closet.
Tonya,
There sure appear to be LOTS of loud & sassy Black women. Not saying all or even most sistas are such. But either there are ENUFF of'em or the few there are get LOTS of attention (probably 'cause, of course, they're so gotdayam LOUD...Hahahahaha!!!) |
Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 1787
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 05:28 pm: |
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"It's highly UNLIKELY I'll see this Norbit crap at the movies. But I find it hilarious that (apparently) so many women.......
And where were all the complaining with from fat Black MEN during the release of his Nutty Professor movies?"
Exactly! The whole idea is silly and ridiculous. IMO.
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Mzuri
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Post Number: 3416
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 05:32 pm: |
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Where were we during the release of the Nutty Professor movies? Most of us probably weren't online yet since the first one came out in 1996. Duh!!!
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Tonya
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Post Number: 4379
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 05:35 pm: |
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quote:But either there are ENUFF of'em or the few there are get LOTS of attention (probably 'cause, of course, they're so gotdayam LOUD...Hahahahaha!!!)
LOLLOL, Janice Armstrong from the Philadelphia Daily News fits the loud & Sassy description and so far she seems to be the one getting the most attention on this issue; you could be right. |
Abm
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Post Number: 8324
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 05:37 pm: |
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Ntfs,
Do you recall witnessing ANYBODY - including, but not limited to fat Black men - in ANY media (pre/post-Internet) b*tching/moaning about Eddie making fun of fat Black MEN during those Nutty Professor movies?
JEESUS!!! |
Abm
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Post Number: 8325
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 05:41 pm: |
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Tonya,
I see a few sistas who fit the loud & sassy description. And a fair percentage of them are obese. But there's nowayindeeHELL anyone in his(her) right mind is going to argue that they represent the TYPICAL Black woman.
And those who are fool enuff to believe that shyt did NOT require any persuading from some character Eddie Murphy portrays. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 4380
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 05:48 pm: |
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Abm,
quote:Ntfs, Do you recall witnessing ANYBODY - including, but not limited to fat Black men - in ANY media (pre/post-Internet) b*tching/moaning
Uh, uh, uh...getting Loud & sassy, nigga, watch yo mouth!
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Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 1790
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 05:53 pm: |
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"Do you recall witnessing ANYBODY - including, but not limited to fat Black men - in ANY media (pre/post-Internet) b*tching/moaning about Eddie making fun of fat Black MEN during those Nutty Professor movies?"
Uhhhhhhhh.....nope! But a lot of people were laughing their asses off and taking their kids to see all the Nutty Professor movies. It was all in good fun. Never heard one word about degrading fat black men. Flip the script and all the hypersensitive race/gender wimpy-winy pundits and heretics are bolting to the front stage with base ball bats and pitch forks in hand. You know how it goes.....
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Tonya
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Post Number: 4381
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 06:00 pm: |
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Abm,
quote:I see a few sistas who fit the loud & sassy description. And a fair percentage of them are obese. But there's nowayindeeHELL anyone in his(her) right mind is going to argue that they represent the TYPICAL Black woman.
And those who are fool enuff to believe that shyt did NOT require any persuading from some character Eddie Murphy portrays.
Not trying to be funny but which debates are you referring to?? I think the argument by Janice and other has been that Loud, sassy and/or obese women DON'T represent the typical Black woman; that has always been their point. |
Abm
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Post Number: 8327
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 06:02 pm: |
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Tonya: "Uh, uh, uh...getting Loud & sassy, nigga, watch yo mouth!"
You can't tell me what to do. 'Cause I'm a SKRONNNGGG Black mayne!! |
Abm
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Post Number: 8328
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 06:05 pm: |
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Ntfs,
Look. I've LOST much of my fandom for Eddie Murphy over the years. But to rag on him about THIS shyt...
Honestly, we're quickly reaching a point where were going to have to start administering STFU vaccines to LOTS of sistas out there. |
Abm
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Post Number: 8329
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 06:07 pm: |
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Tonya,
I'm referring most to this notion of WHY the hell Eddie playing a fat chick in a movie should be elevated to some overall condemnation of Black women. I mean, do Black foks have it so GOOD that this HONESTLY rates being worthy of our debating? |
Tonya
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Post Number: 4382
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 06:07 pm: |
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LOLOLOL, don't make me whip that SKRONNNGGG Black ass!
Btw, I meant to write "Janice and others" in my 06:00 pm post. |
Abm
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Post Number: 8330
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 06:09 pm: |
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Tonya,
As long as you first rub it down with some hot coconut oil, babe, then you be good to go. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 4383
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 06:18 pm: |
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Abm,
quote:Tonya, I'm referring most to this notion of WHY the hell Eddie playing a fat chick in a movie should be elevated to some overall condemnation of Black women. I mean, do Black foks have it so GOOD that this HONESTLY rates being worthy of our debating?
Gotchu Okay.
Well, I already agreed with you that it might not be the condemnation of Black women that some think.
And to the latter part of your statement, after Hurricane Katrina, is a black man catching a cab really all we can come up with?? ...like I said, agreed. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 4384
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 06:20 pm: |
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quote:Tonya, As long as you first rub it down with some hot coconut oil, babe, then you be good to go.
Skrong & nasty, huh!?
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Abm
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Post Number: 8332
Registered: 04-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 06:25 pm: |
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Tonya,
Skrong: Yes.
Nasty: Hell NO!
I'll have you know I wash my a$$ everyday, Missy Poo. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Post Number: 1793
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 06:42 pm: |
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"I'm referring most to this notion of WHY the hell Eddie playing a fat chick in a movie should be elevated to some overall condemnation of Black women. I mean, do Black foks have it so GOOD that this HONESTLY rates being worthy of our debating?"
Thank you...!!!!!!!!!! The wimpy victimization whining and paranoia is sad. No doubt. I can't even believe anyone would even think such nonsense.
"Honestly, we're quickly reaching a point where were going to have to start administering STFU vaccines to LOTS of sistas out there."
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! ...falling on the floor............
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Tonya
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Post Number: 4386
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 06:42 pm: |
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Abm,
quote:Nasty: Hell NO! . . . .I wash my a$$ everyday, Missy Poo.
Ha-ha!!! Trouble keeping up with the dirty talk, aye??
Don’t start none, won't be none, LOLLOL. |
Tonya
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Post Number: 4388
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 07:20 pm: |
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Abm,
quote:Ntfs, Look. I've LOST much of my fandom for Eddie Murphy over the years. But to rag on him about THIS shyt...
Honestly, we're quickly reaching a point where were going to have to start administering STFU vaccines to LOTS of sistas out there.
Oh, hell, no (I ain't catch this shit)!!!
Look ABM I don't want to make it seem like I have a problem with obese people Cuz I REALLY REALLY DON'T.
But let me keep it real for a second. Why is it that loud sassy Black women ALWAYS gotta be portrayed as fat and/or unattractive women--why do Eddie and others seem to always wanna present us that way?
Not that there's anything wrong with it...but still??
...So I submit that LOTS of ig-nant Black men need some shut-the-fuk-up vaccines as well. |
Cynique
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Post Number: 7224
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 07:27 pm: |
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Too bad you guys don't use the same criteria in judging Eddie as you do when constantly criticizing the white media for the way it brainwashes and insults blacks when depicting them in TV and film. Eddie needs to take some hits for this picture. The nutty professor was at least an academic genius with an ingratiating modesty. But from all appearances a black women is the butt of a big joke in this movie.(pun intended.) Just presenting another view of this issue. |
Latina_wi
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 07:46 pm: |
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Personally, I do not find it offensive as I do not believe that every black person in the media represents me, or should represent me, in any way.
I could see how black people will find this offensive. However, do you think white, or most other races, would react in the same way? Or do you think that they would realise that they shouldn't take everything so personally.
F'k Eddie Murphy - he is a laughing stock anyway and in no way represents what I am. The same way a drug dealing pimp doesn't represent what I am.
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Tonya
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Post Number: 4391
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 08:31 pm: |
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Cynnique,
quote:Eddie needs to take some hits for this picture. . . .from all appearances a black women is the butt of a big joke in this movie.(pun intended.) Just presenting another view of this issue.
Oh, really?
Either way he should take some hits, and, if this is really the case, those hits have every right to be twice as hard.
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Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 08:43 pm: |
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...as for judging him differently than whites, I'm not quite sure what I'm judging him ABOUT yet. |
Cynique
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 08:51 pm: |
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I wasn't talkin about you, Tonya. I was talkin about the "guys". |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 11:12 pm: |
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Gotchu! |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 09:27 am: |
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Tonya,
I don't know whether Eddie and others are especially predisposed to always displaying "...loud sassy Black women..." as fat.
Ntfs,
Thanks A LOT, bruh. I had grooved that "...administering STFU vaccines to LOTS of sistas out there." pass Tonya until YOURA$$ brought it back up.
HAHAHAHAHA!!! |
Tonya
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 04:59 pm: |
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...That's EXACTLY how it happened!
Took a look at his post and backtracked and was like, "O haiyel naw!!" LOL!!! |
Serenasailor
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Post Number: 1234
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 05:16 pm: |
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I just find it funny how Eddie uses lightskin/mixed women in all of his movies.
He portrays dark-skinned Black women as mammie/Aunt Jemimas.
Of course no one would care ABM if he portrayed a Fat Black man. Black men don't have a history of being dehumanize, de-sexualized, and portrayed as Mammies in the media.
Notice how in all of his movies he doesn't subject lightskinned/mixed women to his racist, and colorist portrayals. They are seen as the ultimate standard of beauty for Black women.
Eddie Murphy is a colorist assholed like all of his other Black male counterparts in Hollywood. He is the type of sell-out Black man that will promote the most average white/lightskinned women over the most beautiful Black woman. After all didn't he and Bryan Mcknight refuse to date Naomi Campbell because she was "too dark"?
See this is what makes me upset about Black men like you ABM. Even though I have alot of respect and adoration for you. You refuse to stand-up to Black men like Eddie Murphy and Taye Diggs who mentally and physically abuse Black women for not looking "as White as possible". You sit back and say nothing, and in many ways that is almost like condoning it.
The world would be better without Black men like Eddie and their hateful, colorist philosophies. |
Serenasailor
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And before you guys BLAST me understand this: I wouldn't have a problem with Eddie Murphy using White/Lightskinned women in his movies IF he had a history of portraying Darkskinned Black women in an EQUALLY positive manner.
But unlike alot of other Black men in Hollywood Eddie almost never used darkskinned women in his movies. And when he finally does he does it in THIS manner.
GIMME A BREAK!!!! |
A_womon
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 06:04 pm: |
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...Personally, I do not find it offensive as I do not believe that every black person in the media represents me, or should represent me, in any way.
AMEN and AMEN!!!
Black people always complaining about someone's artistic expression like they are representin the ENTIRE race, then complain when white people do the very same thing! When a black person does something illegal we are quick to say "He doesn't represent us so don't try to lump us in with him!"
But then when one of us chooses to do express himself artistically (yes! I said artistically) in whatever way he sees fit, we start putting him down and telling him how he ought do it. WHO cares that Eddie wants to dress up like a fat black woman? I didn't hear any white people talking about how Robin Williams made them look bad when he dressed up as a Fat Ugly Old white woman ala Mrs. Doubtfire!
give it a rest...
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Serenasailor
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Again A_woman white women and Black men do not have a history of being portrayed as Mammies, maids, de-sexualized, and demeaned like Black woman have. So when someone makes a negative but funny portrayal of them it is looked as just as it is A JOKE. Because no one really believes that these ppl look like that anyways.
And if you consider dressing up as a 400Ibs, Black woman, jiggaboo Black woman as ARTISTIC!! Then you don't know much about art. All a Black woman has to do is turn on some music video, or listen to the radio and she can will hear, negative hateful messages about her(unlike WW and BM)! |
Serenasailor
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 06:17 pm: |
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...Personally, I do not find it offensive as I do not believe that every black person in the media represents me, or should represent me, in any way.
IN A PERFECT WORLD THAT IS A GOOD PHILOSOPHY LATINA_WI. However, in a society where Black women are marginalized, dehumanized, and discrimated against moreso than any other race of women it doesn't help to have assholes like Eddie Murphy, and these other rap artist demean the women of there own race. |
A_womon
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I don't hear anyone in videos calling out black women--they mostly dog women period. Black, white, hispanic, asian... some,black women just assume rappers are talking about them because most rappers are black.
sorry to say your argument is dated serenasailor. I haven't seen any mammies and maids in movies in my time. It's like people of certain generations still being offended and talking about lynchings when someone uses the word •••••• or nigga.
I ask for the cazillionth time, why does this word offend? Were no black, colored, negro, nigra, or any other names that whites used to insult lynched? Was it just niggers?
Please, until James Brown made us black and proud, being called black by whites was equally as insulting as ••••••...they are only words and when black people refuse to be insulted by the use of a word the word will lose its amazing all powerful hold and control on those of us who allow it...
The same is true of artistic portrayals. Black people should express themselves however they see fit however they see fit whenever they choose, without being indicted by an entire race white OR black |
Serenasailor
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 06:39 pm: |
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Niggerish thinking!! You honestly believe that other races of women are demeaned, and disrespected like Black women are?? ARE YOU KIDDING?? What planet do you live on? And belive me A_woman if Black rappers were demeaning to other races of women (especially white) they would be "hanging off of a tree" as we speak. No one and I mean NO ONE would stand around and let a White woman be demeaned especially by a Black man.
PLEASE!! I WISH MY ARGUMENT WAS DATED A_WOMAN!! I see mammies all the time in the media. Monique, Tyler Perry, Martin, Chandra Wilson, the Pine-Sol lady, and every other fat, loud, sassy Black woman the mainstream white media loooves to showcase.
YOU AND YOUR SILLY AIRHEADEDNESS SAYING THAT BLACK MEN SHOULD BE ABLE TO INSULT AND SPEW VENOMOUS HATRED AT BLACK WOMEN ANY WAY THEY SEE FIT. Trying to seperate yourself from other Black women by saying stupid shyt like "Oh that doesn't mean me". Or nappy headed bytch is just another word.
I AM SO SICK OF SEEING WEAK ASS BLACK WOMEN LIKE YOU SIT AROUND AND TAKE ABUSE FROM BLACK MEN!! Stand up for your damn self. Get some self-respect. |
Abm
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 06:48 pm: |
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Serenasailor,
Although it done in different ways/styles, the image and visage of Black men is demeaned as much via the media as that of Black women.
If a Black artist is forced to abstain from creating/performing for fear of incidentially inciting some reference to the MYRIAD negative characterizations of Blacks, she-he would have very little room/resource to create/perform...ANYTHING.
But I agree Murphy (and many other Black male entertainers) appears inclined to glorify lighter/whiter-looking females in his work. |
A_womon
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 07:00 pm: |
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Whatever, the only airhead is YOU for thinking you can speak for me and call people's thinking "niggerish" because it's different than yours. Bite me! If you think I'm a weak woman for thinking in a different generation than you--so be it. YOUr opinion is just that...yours. It holds zero weight with me.
Name one rap song where they say they are specicifically talking to black women? So because YOU say so then it's a fact? I don't think so.
So if a black woman is Fat and Darkskinned that makes her a mammy? SHUUUUUT UUPPPPPPPPPPP! Go cry yourself to sleep...
WAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!! MAMMY! They talkin bout weuns agin...wahhhhhhh......
Now airhead that! And when someone gives me a reason to stand up for MYSELF...I will... |
A_womon
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 07:05 pm: |
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... SAYING THAT BLACK MEN SHOULD BE ABLE TO INSULT AND SPEW VENOMOUS HATRED AT BLACK WOMEN ANY WAY THEY SEE FIT
CAn you read? Where did I say that? YOU said that NOT me Pea brain... Learn to expand your thinking and quit vomitting up what others have fed you! |
Serenasailor
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YOU MUST NOT LISTEN TO RAP A_woman!! Are you serious?? Rappers like Ice-Cube, Too Short, Easy_E, and countless of other rappers specifically demean Black women.
Pea brain best describes you because you are speaking on a subject on something you know nothing about. Like rap music. You obviously don't listen to it. |
Serenasailor
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 07:26 pm: |
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O.K ABM yes in different ways. However, Black men are not portrayed as Mammies, and Fat, low-life slobs the way Black women are. Which is how Eddie is portraying them. |
A_womon
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NO, the real question is ARE YOU FA REAL??????? HA!
ICE CUBE and EASY E??????? OH MY GAWD!!! HOW SAD! AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA! I AM ROLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING AT YOU!!!
I will HAFTA LEAVE on that one HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm gonna be curackin up for the rest of my life on that!!!!! |
Nels
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The "FBI" is back in the house. The Fat, Black & Ignorant, that is. |
Brownbeauty123
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"After all didn't he and Bryan Mcknight refuse to date Naomi Campbell because she was "too dark"?"
When did this happen?
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Chrishayden
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They ripped the hell out of it on Siskel and Ebert. They said it was offensive and not funny.
A critic in one of the local black weeklies praised it but they are on the take. |
Troy
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Why would y'all say this movie demeans Black women?
Would anyone be happier if the fat character was light skinned and the Thandie newton character was dark skined?
BTW: I know my knowledge of pop culture has waned as of late, but are there any popular Dark Skinned actresses available nowadays? The last one I recal was Cicely Tyson...
You can read Kam's review here: http://www.aalbc.com/reviews/norbit.htm
While I won't pay to see this in a theater. I will watch it when it shows up on cable. In my mind this is a form of minstelsy and arguably art, however base.
I think Kat Willams as a pimp is funny, Eddie and the others are funny too. I also recognize they are playing a charcters and do not represent the typical Black men and women.
The problem I have with these type of movies is that many other ingornat people, including Black ones, are unable to make the distinction between the screen and reality.
And these types of movie crowd out other, better movies, that could be made with the same resources.
The bottom line is that white people make the decisions on what gets made. Black people are not in a decision making postion, so we are stuck with what we get...
Truth be told, I'm not so confident that even if Black people were in charge that the decisions would be any different... Ala Robert Johnson.
Oprah is a noteable exception, but I see more of us (Black people) slamming her than praising her: She opens a school for poor African in Africa -- negros claim she is not doing enough in Chicago; Orpah gains a little weight and negros complain she no longer looks like she is 25.
Go figure...
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Abm
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Troy: "The problem I have with these type of movies is that many other ingornat people, including Black ones, are unable to make the distinction between the screen and reality."
Is that the fault of the makers and performers of this kind of media? Or is it the fault of those of us who are not training ourselves and each other to know better?
And, yes, foks like Robert Johnson, many of the Black hip-hop producers/performers, MTV President Christina Norman (who has, amongst many other things, allowed the airing of Where My Dogs At? a cartoon about Snoop Dogg that featured black women being tethered with leashes and relieving themselves on the ground like dogs) and others PROVE Black foks can be every bit as inclined as Whites (and other non-Blacks) to create/promote gross caricutures of Blacks for fun and profit. |
Chrishayden
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Suppose I did a movie that featured Black professionals and all of the males were scheming, cowardly and only interested in white women?
Would you laugh at that one?
Let's go to something that has been done? How do you like "Birth of a Nation"? That film that showed all the Black legislators as sitting in the chamber with their shoes off, eating watermelon--and trying to rape white women?
Do you find Amos and Andy Funny?
How about those 40's cartoons that show blacks as white lipped darkies always running from spooks?
It's because it depicts women, isn't it, that you don't find it very offensive--you not being a woman.
How does your wife feel about it? |
Abm
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Chris: "That film that showed all the Black legislators as sitting in the chamber with their shoes off, eating watermelon..."
I've gotta be honest. If I saw this shyt, I might laugh so dayam hard I'd need CPR. |
Chrishayden
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Chris: "That film that showed all the Black legislators as sitting in the chamber with their shoes off, eating watermelon..."
I've gotta be honest. If I saw this shyt, I might laugh so dayam hard I'd need CPR.
(Rent it out. It was one of President Woodrow Wilson's favorite movies--it was the first one every screened in the White House and the Klan aparently shows it at meetings--since they are heroes that ride to the rescue and kill all the rapacious Negroes
Who are all played by whites in blackface, by the way.
Funny now? |
Chrishayden
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http://www.library.csi.cuny.edu/dept/history/lavender/birth.html
D.W. Griffith, The Birth of a Nation (1915)
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In D.W. Griffith's masterpiece, two families -- the Stonemans from the North and the Camerons from the South -- experience the Civil War and Reconstruction. Through these families' stories, Griffith addresses the devastation wrought by the Civil War (especially in the South) and the social disruptions caused by Reconstruction. Griffith adapted the film from a propaganda piece about the Ku Klux Klan, The Clansman, written by Thomas Dixon. D.W. Griffith, a Southerner and the son of a Confederate War cavalry officer who returned from the war a broken man only to "suffer the disgrace of Reconstruction," blamed Reconstructionists and Southern blacks for his own misfortunes. This film reflects that resentment by depicting radical Republicans and "uppity" African-Americans as the cause of all social, political, and economic problems since the Civil War.
When Griffith released the film in 1915, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (or NAACP) and other groups protested; the NAACP published a 47-page pamphlet titled "Fighting a Vicious Film: Protest Against The Birth of a Nation," in which they referred to the film as "three miles of filth." W. E. B. Du Bois published scathing reviews in The Crisis, spurring a heated debate among the National Board of Censorship of Motion Pictures as to whether the film should be shown in New York. However, President and former history professor Woodrow Wilson viewed the film at the White House and proclaimed it not only historically accurate, but like "history writ with lightning." Like Woodrow Wilson, many whites felt it a truthful and accurate portrayal of racial politics, so much so that they flocked to join the rejuvenated Ku Klux Klan. The years after Griffith released The Birth of a Nation saw massive race riots throughout the country, peaking especially in the North in 1919; many historians lay the blame for this racial conflict on Griffith's The Birth of a Nation.
The Birth of a Nation is a complex artifact of its times. Several noteworthy themes run through the film, and it especially sheds light on the construction of categories of identity -- race, class, gender, and region -- during the early twentieth century. As you view the film, note the connections that Griffith makes.
Negroes died because of this film.
Funny now?
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Cynique
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The week-end box office receipts for Eddie Murphy's movie were a hefty $33,740,000, and it's a safe bet that the majority of people paying to see this picture was black. So look for a "Norbit II". |
Abm
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Chris,
I've laughed at other shyt that could in someway be traced to other Black foks getting fuhked over. So have your, bruh.
And A LOT of that was created/distributed by other Black foks.
*shrugs* |
Troy
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ABM: Is that the fault of the makers and performers of this kind of media? Or is it the fault of those of us who are not training ourselves and each other to know better?
ABM the answer to the question is more complicated.
Unless someone (tyrant, law, some eternal force) prevent these movies to stop being made -- they will continue to be made.
The answer to your question is both are contributing factors -- they feed on each other...
The movie, it appears, will gross over $100M, domestic, before it is all said and done. If people did not go see it it would not be made period.
Even if Black people stopped going, which they will not, the movie would still make money.
Black people would need to stop going view and raise hell to stop these movies from being made. It would also help if actors, like Murphy would refuse to make these movies. But we all know this won't happen either.
I think if white actors played in the movie; say we got that kid who played Austin Powers to take over for Eddie and get a bunch of other whites to play the rest of the black characters; then I think Black folks might then get offended.
There is an unlimited supply of Black people willing to play these roles. So again actors refusing to play these roles will never happen.
So unless you want to live in a soceity were people are not free to make the movies they want to make and watch the movies they want to watch, we all just better get used to the sittuation.
Fortunately, there are alternatives PBS, NPR, generate a ton of great content. |
Libralind2
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And Chris..when is the last time you produced a movie and if its in the works..when so we can be ready..??
LiLi |
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quote:Suppose I did a movie that featured Black professionals and all of the males were scheming, cowardly and only interested in white women?
Would you laugh at that one?
Let's go to something that has been done? How do you like "Birth of a Nation"? That film that showed all the Black legislators as sitting in the chamber with their shoes off, eating watermelon--and trying to rape white women?
Do you find Amos and Andy Funny?
How about those 40's cartoons that show blacks as white lipped darkies always running from spooks?
It's because it depicts women, isn't it, that you don't find it very offensive--you not being a woman.
How does your wife feel about it?
Thank you Chris. After Kam's review--which seems very reliable--I can't see how anybody can support the shit. Being a man is no excuse. I have a feeling we’re going to be able to test your theory REAL SOON Chris. Because multiracial people are the wave of the future and they come in two genders! |
Doberman23
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i am going to see it at the dollar show, i will comment on it being good or not then. i still don't think eddie is a homo. |
Latina_wi
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SERENASAILOR: IN A PERFECT WORLD THAT IS A GOOD PHILOSOPHY LATINA_WI. However, in a society where Black women are marginalized, dehumanized, and discrimated against moreso than any other race of women it doesn't help to have assholes like Eddie Murphy, and these other rap artist demean the women of there own race.
LATINA: Your right in the straightforward sense of course. Black women in America have been de-humanised and viewed VERY sterotypically in the media but because you are preoccupied with the 'black women's struggle' (which I don't dog you for at all) you do not realise that stereotyping happens to different races of women too. It is a man's world after all.
Latina women are seen as promiscious or finger-clicking homegirls. Asian women are viewed as submissive and often 'playthings'. South Asian women are dim and do not understand very well. Mixed raced women are sexual playthings or 'tragic' and 'confused'. In my eyes, white women are often the only women who are allowed to be diverse and complex characters (this is a very general synopsis involving race of women in the media obviously).
The thing is your also right in the sense that hardly anyone stands in the corner for black women. I have heard and read stories about Asian men who have stuck their necks out to protect the reputation of Asian women. But black men do not do the same as they feel that black women should be grateful for their'sexualised' role in rap videos, or that they should feel lucky they even get a role in a movie -'mammy' or not.
And black women are at fault too. They also feel it is complimentary that they are being used as sexual commodities in movies or videos instead of the fact that a whole new generation of women are being dehumanised in a completely different way. Everone should step up and take the blame, black man or women. I look at some of these women in the music videos and I feel angry at the implications these whores will have on the rest of the female population.
The saddest thing is is that America sets a lot of standards for youth today in the western world. Us people in Europe are feeling this bullshit too. |
Abm
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Troy,
I agree the PRODUCERS (including owners, distributor, writers, directors and performers) are no MORE or LESS to blame for the Norbits of world than the CONSUMERS of such.
Latina_wi,
On the otherside of all your (Tonya, Kola, BB123 and other Black women) lamentations about the exploitation of Black (and other) women are OTHER Black (and other) women who not only allow themselves to be exploited but appear to REVEL in and wholly do NOT give a dayam what YOU chicks think and feel about such. |
Latina_wi
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That is their right ABM. You come into this world alone, selfishness and getting ahead is totally understandable to me.
I just think it is sad as they do not realise the consequences of their actions. Maybe I am a hypocrite. I am with a modelling agency and how I conduct myself may affect other women. But I need the money lol and I like the attention if I am honest. And with this business, one day your going to care how you are judged. When you get older and realise that your arse isn't popular anymore sudeenly you START caring because your commodity is totally useless. Always younger girls out there who are willing to do a lot more. |
Abm
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Latina_wi: "Maybe I am a hypocrite. I am with a modelling agency and how I conduct myself may affect other women. But I need the money lol and I like the attention if I am honest."
See. This kind of duplicity is part of the problem. I mean, even YOU are okay with allowing your image to exploited in some way...for profit. The video hoochies and porn stars are essentially thinking and doing the same thing that YOU'RE doing as a model, only they've taken their willingness to be exploited to the next (somewhat LOGICAL) step.
There will ALWAYS been a HIGH percentage of women, especially YOUNG ones, who will not think of nor care about the broader effects of their showing/selling their T&A. |
Chrishayden
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And Chris..when is the last time you produced a movie and if its in the works..when so we can be ready..??
LiLi
(That's a pretty dumb question. I'll answer it anyway. I have never produced a movie. If I did, from what I have read on THIS list, I'd tear you Negroes a new butthole.
You'd all have to move to another planet when I was through running you in the ground. |
Ntfs_encryption
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Awwwwww....Eddies just having fun making crazy movies. Don't be so bitter. No one takes these movies serious. I don't.
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a_womon: email me. |
Latina_wi
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ABM: See. This kind of duplicity is part of the problem. I mean, even YOU are okay with allowing your image to exploited in some way...for profit. The video hoochies and porn stars are essentially thinking and doing the same thing that YOU'RE doing as a model, only they've taken their willingness to be exploited to the next (somewhat LOGICAL) step.
There will ALWAYS been a HIGH percentage of women, especially YOUNG ones, who will not think of nor care about the broader effects of their showing/selling their T&A.
LATINA_WI: The type of modelling I do in no way exploits myself. It is simply modelling fashion ranges. There is a MASSIVE difference between women who let a man slide a credit card through her buttocks and a woman who acts as a clothes horse.
I am exploiting what I have to a certain extent. But that is a human thing, we exploit whatever we have to hand (a maths skill, a nice body) to get what we want. I can totally understand why these young women think like they do and do not care what they are doing (being irresponsible is also a big part of many people's youths), but they are cvery extreme in their actions and what they are willing to give up.
Sorry about the tangent everyone! |
Abm
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Latina_wi,
Well. I don't really see much difference between the kinds of images one type of model markets and that of another.
You're both just selling fantasy imagery in a society and economy that allows such.
Perhaps the only problem I see with the video hoochies is how so very prevalent they appear to be.
My primary view of this issue is part of the cost/consequence of female liberation is that a woman should be allowed to let some nikka run a credit card through the crack of her a$$ if that is what she has AGREED to allow happen. |
Latina_wi
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ABM, maybe I am not making myself clear - I totally agree with freedom of choice, that is what women's liberation is all about. Though, the consequences of some women's actions do have a very bad affect on other's.
Anyone's actions can cause consequences. A columbian drug dealer will be another way to label columbia and columbians as corrupt - therefore a consequence.
And ABM, someone who simply models clothes in a catalogue is not selling 'fantasy'. They are like a mannequin - just showing the best way the clothes could be worn and what they look like on. There is a HUGE difference if you look how a catalogue model is potrayed (sometimes they can be quite homely) and a video whore. No comparison. |
Abm
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Latina_wi: "ABM, maybe I am not making myself clear - I totally agree with freedom of choice, that is what women's liberation is all about. Though, the consequences of some women's actions do have a very bad affect on other's."
There are many - particularly your hardboiled feminist-types - who argue the form of modeling YOU do has a deleterious affect on other women.
They are what you do brandishes a image of women that erodes the self-esteem of women who are NOT as pretty, svelte and/or shapely as (I presume) you are. Some say women like you cause other women to become bulimic and anorexic.
You KNOW I'm right here.
My point is this: In a free society/market, foks are going to do what they want to, ESPECIALLY if/when such proves lucrative to them. So the only thing we can really do is steel and fortify within ourselves what is healthiest within and for us. |
Latina_wi
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You are so right with the last sentence ABM! When I was reading the begining of your post I was thinking exactly that. The fact that I choose to model clothes (because I was asked) is to do with making a bit of extra money for myself and I want to have some nic pictures to look back on lol!
I don't seek to lower the self-esteem of women or cause them to have anorexia et cetera but I know that some women may feel insecure by looking at photos, even of catalogue models. But THEY need to develop a healthy mind and love themselves more.
Also, a pretty woman who is not a model and has a regular job mere prescence will make a less confident woman feel insecure just by looking at her and knowing she is beautiful. I have friends who felt depressed and 'unworthy' when being around attractive people who didn't flaunt their beauty, just the fact that they were beautiful made other people feel low. To me this is silly as beauty is subjective, it differs for evryone. And cheesy as it sounds - looks aren't all that important when you come to the crux of it. |
Abm
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Latina_wi: "I don't seek to lower the self-esteem of women or cause them to have anorexia et cetera..."
You believe most video dancers/models, prostitutes and porn stars think about whether and how what they do affect other women? You think even if they did, they would stop doing what they do?
Of course not. Because they're only really concerned with doing what they think works for THEM at that particular time and circumstance.
Just like YOU think and do...when YOU model.
Latina_wi: "just the fact that they were beautiful made other people feel low. To me this is silly as beauty is subjective..."
Exactly. All the more reason why we should NOT waste our time trying to socially engineer what we consider to be more favorable/healthy perspectives on beauty. Because there's always going to be a certain degree of hysteria and mania on the issue that simply can NOT be reconciled.
Latina_wi: "And cheesy as it sounds - looks aren't all that important when you come to the crux of it."
The irony of beauty is that it can mean nothing and everything but then still...nothing. |
Latina_wi
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No I agree, people do not think or care (as I have said) but some actions have bigger consequences than others. That is my whole point.
I am not trying to engineer any view on what is healthy or safe, but I think it is logic, and the general consensus that some forms of female exploitation are harmful. How happy would you feel if your daugther said she would prefer to be a video porn star as opposed to a catalogue model (or even a catwalk model). |
Abm
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Latina_wi,
Perhaps catalogue modeling does MORE damage that porn yet we don't notice such because we're more focused upon the alleged issues/consequences of porn than we are upon those alleged of the catalogue modeling.
I admit, I'd be less pleased with my daughters doing porn than I would their being catalogue models. But then, for me, that's akin to contrasting my feelings about their stealing a car versus my thoughts about their stealing a dress: Though the former is more severe than the later, I actually would NOT be proud of their doing EITHER. |
Troy
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"The movie has just drawn really strong quality performers together. And I really feel like it’s a celebration of the work of Eddie Murphy. Everybody says the same thing. We’re all bowing down to a great man, and a great work. I love this film because it seems to bring so many of the qualities that make him great together."
--Thandie Newton
This is from an interview with Kam Williams (I did not run the entire interview). Thandie's quote made me think about this tread.
Thandie is an actress in the movie, and is not expected to say anything negative, during an interview, about a movie she is promoting.
It seems to me we have reached a point where there is; (1) no objective measure of when something is demeaning to women and, (2) even when it was found to be demeaning there are too many people ready to praise the perpetrators be they R Kelly, or Eddie Murphy.
This will continue and get worse until there is resistance to prevent it from continuing or our whole system collapses. One of the two will happen.
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Interestingly enough, the black gay community of West Hollywood and beyond here in California has managed and continued to get Shirly Q's performances canceled.<img>  |
Abm
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Troy,
I saw Norbit. Not my idea. It was my wife's, who had already seen it. My wife's a Black WOMAN who immensely ENJOYED Norbit.
Why did she enjoy it? Because she thought it was really FUNNY.
*shrugs*
And, honestly, the thing I found most disturbing about Norbit was how utterly ANOREXIC Thandie Newton (whom I usually LIKE) appeared to be. |
Troy
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Jackie, the Black Gay community, and the Gay community in general appear to be highly efective in getting what they want: Persistent, organized and a clear reason for unity.
The Black community in general does not share these characterisics any longer, part of the reason is out diversity.
ABM, that is an interesting comment about Thandie. I thought she always looked anorexic - especially in Crash: http://aalbc.com/reviews/thandie_newton.htmwas
I never knew who Thandie was (by name) prior to Crash but I remember her in all of the movies I saw her in from Beloved to the Chronicles of Riddick -- I never knew her name but she always stuck me. Not my cup of tea in the physique department but an excellent actress nonetheless...
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Abm
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Troy,
Thandie's always been small. But for some reason, perhaps it was the way she was styled/dressed or perhaps when juxaposed to the enormous female character Eddie portrayed, Thandie appeared to be wasting away or something. |
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"My wife's a Black WOMAN who immensely ENJOYED Norbit.
I'm sure she did. It's just a comedy -nothing more!. People take these things way too serious. It represents nothing more than a comedy. All the racial stereotype conspiracies and hysteria is ridiculous. Once again, it's just a comedy -not a documentary!!! No one takes this movie seriously except the insecure haters and those suffering form acute conspiracy paranoia.
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Jackie
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NTFS true true BUT how long have will this same ol excuse for movies of this nature be used ? How many more years ? It may have even sunk into your psyche if you know what I mean... |
Cynique
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A lot of criticism has come from white quarters, white critics who were offended by this broad parody of black women. I'm sure the movie is hilarious, but then so was the old tv series Amos 'n Andy. Being funny doesn't necessarily vindicate the demeaning aspects of a minstrel show, |
Yvettep
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BUT how long have will this same ol excuse for movies of this nature be used
I tend to agree. I also think a huge factor is the issue of diversity and balance when it comes to cinematic depictions of Blacks. When we have as full a range of movies as what exists for Whites, then a few stupid, demeaning, just for yuk-yuks, or any other type of films/roles won't make as big an impact. But when these make up half or more of the depictions... I dunno. Kinda almost makes me yearn for the days when we were absent altogether. |
Abm
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It's interesting. Eddie Murphy's has recently appeared in 2 movies that largely feature Black female characters: Norbit and Dreamgirls.
Now. For the most part, Dreamgirls present a very favorable and quite GLAMOUROUS viewpoint of SEVERAL Black women. While Norbit presents a lampoon image of ONE Black woman.
Moreover, can someone please cite any OTHER times Eddie Murphy has presented what might be considered demeaning views of Black females? I mean, unless I am mistaken, Jada Pinkett-Smith and Janet Jackson was nicely featured in the Nutty Professor movies. Likewise with Regina Bell in Daddy Daycare. And Raven Simone was cutely spunky in the Doctor Doolittle movie.
And don't get me started on how LUSCIOUS the sistas (e.g, Robin Givens, Halle Berry, etc.) were in Boomerang.
I find it interesting how foks will take a small part of Murphy resume and use it to condemn the man's work. |
Jackie
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LOL! The titles alone should answer that question...
Doctor Doolittle
Nutty Professor
Daddy Daycare
Boomerang
Norbit
Serious, stellar acting, and dramatic content I'll say ! LOL !
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Abm
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Jackie,
I'm not arguing those were all great works of cinematic art. I'm just saying that for the most part Black women were nicely featured in those movies. |
Yvettep
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Then why would he change now? |
Abm
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Yvettep,
Who says Eddie's changing? Why can't his outlandish character 'Rasputia' in Norbit be just one of a varied assortment of female characters that appear in his movies?
Also, anyone who saw Norbit could much more rightly argue that the film was much less complimentary of Black MEN in the movie than it was of Black women. Hell. There might have been a half-dozen negative portrayals of Black men in that movie...including that of the title character himself.
And Eddie didn't exactly provide a particularly, uh, progressive characterization of Asian American men, either. |
Yvettep
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Right. And to be fair, I haven't seen it. But I probably will not spend the money. I'll likely take my daughters to see Cube's sequel to "Are We There Yet?" instead. |
Cynique
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All of the big fat women in The Nutty Professor's family were parodys of black women. The grandmother was even portrayed as a dirty ol lady in heat who dropped her "draws" in one scene. And let's not overlook Martin Lawrence's Big Mama character, which grossed so much at the box office, that it came out with a sequel. I like to laugh as much as anybody and I'm not that up-in-arms about this, but I can understand how some black women would be. |
A_womon
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even when it was found to be demeaning there are too many people ready to praise the perpetrators be they R Kelly, or Eddie Murphy ...
Troy, my question to you is why would you compare a child molestors deplorable actions to a comedian who choses to use a fat woman in his act? Lots of men, black and white, have dressed up as fat women of thier race and made people laugh. John Travolta is about to play a fat white broad in Hairspray. This is not a criminal offense, such as raping children!
My other question is, then should black people live a lie on screen? Should we deny that child molestors, fat black women, drug dealers, drug users, and other scum not exist? Are we only to portray ourselves as hardworking, professional, men and women, thinking this will cause others to think that that is all that black people are?
That is a lie! A dishonest picture that a lot of you want to put forth.
Why can't we portray every aspect of life on this planet as black people, knowing that certain portrayals are just that--PORTRAYALS of that particular character for THAT particular story, just a snapshot in time nothing more.and for god's sake NOT A PORTRAYAL OF EVERYONE IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY!!!!!!!!
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A_womon
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before anyone says anything I DID NOT mean to imply that Black women are scum...I was speaking of drug dealers, etc. |
A_womon
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I messed up... it's late...early...I don't know I'm tired... forgive me please... |
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a_womon: email me, lady. |
A_womon
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I did... |
A_womon
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racerebels????right? |
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