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THEN AND NOW

Cleaver: One of the biggest differences between the sixties and today is political. The conservative positions held by people we used to call "right-wing kooks" and the "lunatic fringe" have moved into the mainstream. Everything has been pushed so far to the light.

Davis: This reflects--more than anything else--the lack of an organized, progressive political movement. Young people want to challenge, resist and rebel. But today there's nowhere to go. And if there's nowhere to go, people end up going backward. When we were in our late teens and twenties, we had a vision that we could get out there, say this is what we believe in and lead older people. We were even bold enough to challenge Martin Luther King, Jr. I don't see that kind of confidence being encouraged in young people today.

Cleaver: It's being actively discouraged.

Davis: Today the assumption is that "leaders" must be older. That's why some veterans from the 1960's have been able to solidly anchor themselves in leadership positions--Ben Chavis, Louis Farrakhan and Jesse Jackson, for example. There's also a tendency to raise past leaders to the status of icons so that political commitment becomes judged in relation to how much an individual measures up to Malcolm X, Marcus Garvey or some other historical figure. History is important, but it also can stifle young people's ability to think in new ways and to present ideas that may sound implausible now but that really may help us develop radical strategies for moving into the next century.

Cleaver: When I talk to young Black people, what I sense most is either confusion or anger. I feel that they're going to explode, but that's my own private hope. It's a very unstable situation, especially among the young men.

Davis: I find that many young women are also very stultified by masculinist notions of what it means to engage in struggle. Where are the Black women respected today as political leaders? How many names can you come up with?

Cleaver: What also seems lacking is a sense of solidarity with the larger struggle. Recently a group of Black students at Williams College in Massachusetts told me that they are there to experience diversity. "We've been convinced that the way you make change is to become a part of the corporate world," they said.

Davis: Well, you can't tell people not to get into the corporate structure. But you can encourage them to see, these places as sites for struggle.

Cleaver: When you were in college, how many people did you know who said, "I'm going to get an M.B.A.?" One person might have been considering it, but she wouldn't have told anybody.

Davis: When I was studying philosophy, I wasn't so much interested in philosophy as a career. Like most of my friends and comrades, I was really thinking about how we could use the knowledge we were acquiring to advance the struggle. Today the economic situation is a lot worse. Even the most politically conscious students are forced to think about how they're going to market themselves in order to get a job.

FARRAKHAN AND THE MILLION MAN MARCH

Cleaver. I think the attraction to Farrakhan that you see, particularly among young men, is not for the substance of the man, but simply for his militancy in opposing what bothers them. These are smart kids, and I don't want to tell them "Don't listen to him," even though I can't listen to Farrakhan at all or subscribe to anything he says.

Davis: The men who attended the Million Man March were asked to participate in a collective act of atonement. All of us have reasons to atone. But is that going to bring about jobs or halt the rising punishment industry? This march may have been the first demonstration in history where Black people were mobilized, not around any goals or political agenda, but simply because they were Black men.
None of the speeches made the point that Black people's condition within the United States is very much determined by the ways capital travels across national borders. Detroit, which used to have a thriving working class, is now like a ghost town. Many other cities are in a similar situation precisely because corporations can just close up shop and move into a Third World country in order to find a cheap labor pool. But people don't seem to understand how the growth of the drug trade and the prison industry are very much related to the way that capitalism has been transformed. These factors are all part of the globalization of capital, but they weren't mentioned in the speeches.

Cleaver. If leaders don't understand the economic system, if they give the public political fantasy instead of programs and exclude from the dialogue radicals who actually analyze what this country is doing and what's wrong with it then people are deprived of the equipment they need to understand the problem. And they're deprived of the equipment they need to make change. There's a lot of confusion, and not only among Black people. I see the rise of fundamentalism as a response to the complex changes you're talking about, and as a desire for simplistic solutions. There are Christian fundamentalists, Jewish fundamentalists, Muslim fundamentalists. What they represent is not a solution, but a retreat from a solution.

Davis: I was also affected personally by the harsh responses to the statement that a group of us, mostly Black women, made because we felt that other voices needed to be heard in connection with the march. I've encountered some very angry women who call me a traitor to the Black community.

Cleaver: Given what you know about the hostile responses many Black people had to Anita Hill, was there anything similar in their responses to you? It became very clear that she violated what is viewed as a taboo in traditional Black communities: namely, publicly attacking a prominent Black man. It has nothing to do with whether he deserves to be attacked The issue is some very old notion of solidarity: "He's Black, he's ours, we support him."
Davis: You're absolutely right, so I actually shouldn't have been so surprised. I think that the way the Million Man March captured the imagination of so many people had to do with this desire to feel a part of the larger Black struggle. Many people have not felt that connection for quite some time. Therefore, there was a tendency to be totally urigritical and to think that because a million Black people--mostly men--would be in one place, that in itself would seem progressive. Blackness is becoming something that simply makes us feel good about ourselves, not something that makes us want to change the world.

RAISING POLITICAL CONSCIOUSNESS

Davis: Today political analysis needs to be a lot more complex than it was in the sixties, because the current situation is much more complex. But there's still this seduction of sixties analysis, where things were assumed to be Black and white, and where the Black man represented the entire Black community. Young people need to stand up and challenge this simplistic view, because they are exposed as about the ways race, gender, class and sexuality mutually inform each other.

Cleaver: Political consciousness comes from political action. But today there is no movement that's drawing people into organizations that engage in political action. The few people who manage to analyze the situation seriously and want to do something about it are inhibited by the absence of a movement. They can have theory, but they can't really participate and implement and test what they're trying to do
Davis: Music could be a vehicle for raising political consciousness. The fact that someone like Snoop Doggy Dogg can speak to millions of people all over the world becomes political because he can shape how people think about their lives and about the world. I think it's really important for this political struggle to unfold within the hip-hop community, particularly among artists with a more progressive vision.

But the point you make about the absence of an organized movement is something we need to take seriously. How can people make changes that would go beyond the sphere of hip-hop? This is another question that today's generation has to figure out for us.

IN THE EYE OF THE STORM

Davis: The first time I saw you was in 1968 at the SNCC office in Los Angeles. It was right after SNCC and the Black Panther Political Party, which I was working with, had formed an alliance. We were organizing a birthday celebration for Huey Newton, and you and Eldridge came down from northern California.

Cleaver: Right. And you were in the office when I came in.

Davis: The Black Panther Political Party actually predated the Black Panther Party. But there were problems with the fact that the names were so similar. We were told that we had to change our name to the Pink Pussycats. Some of us even had guns put to our heads. There's a tendency to romanticize what went on then, but some of the stuff was over the edge.

After that, I started working with the Communist Party, I was a graduate student at the University of California at San Diego and, just for a minute, I also became involved with another Black power group called US (United Slaves), but I just couldn't deal with the male supremacy. I remember attending an US event, and when I sat down to eat, I saw that I was the only woman seated. A guy said, "Well, sister, you must be new. You see, we have to eat first, and then after the brothers eat, the sisters eat." Cleaver: This was supposed to be the way it was in Africa.
Davis: The male chauvinism in those days could be very, intense. But as much as we might be critical, there was something at the time that was very seductive about such militant masculinity.

Cleaver: It was tremendously sexy. Women liked it. I expected our paths to cross again when Eldridge and I were in exile, in Algeria, where the government had allowed us to establish an international section of the Black Panther Party. When we heard that you had been arrested and then disappeared, we expected you to show up.

Davis: I never knew that. What is interesting is that during my trial, someone hijacked a plane, demanded to be flown to Algeria and demanded that I be released and brought to the airport, wearing a white dress and carrying ten parachutes or something like that. The judge put us all under house arrest inside the courtroom. They thought that this was my way of escaping before the verdict came down.

Cleaver. The hijacker was Roger Holder, a Vietnam vet who had been traumatized by the war. He put on his military uniform, and he and his White girlfriend got on a plane and threatened to blow it up if be didn't get $500,000, a Boeing 747 and Angela Davis. Well, he did get another plane and ended up in Algiers with $500,000 in his duffel bag. But the Algerian government took the money and turned him and his girlfriend over to the Panthers. I think Roger is currently serving time in a prison for the criminally insane.

Fear and Sadness

Davis: There were many, many times when I was scared to death. When I was underground, I assumed that every strange sound and every White man in a suit was the FBI. When I first got arrested, they wouldn't let me see a lawyer, and I thought they were going to kill me. Fear can be immobilizing, but I learned to keep it from paralyzing me. As Audrer said, we have to prevent our fear from silencing us.

Cleaver: I don't remember consciously being afraid. I think I just accepted the fact that there were people who wanted to kill me, and that they just might do it. I was probably afraid many, many times, but I just suppressed it. Suppressing fears is one way people who are deeply involved in political struggle or in war and there's not that much of a distinction--become very troubled. It's called posttraumatic stress disorder. After leaving the movement many people got involved in extremely violent personal relationships or drug abuse and led extraordinarily traumatic lives.

Davis: As for feeling down, one of my saddest periods was when I found out that Jonathan Jackson bad been killed. He was only 17 years old and such a wonderful, smart, committed young man. I went underground after the incident and was never able to really mourn his death. One of the things that we didn't do then was mourn. Our strength was often defined by our ability not to allow the death of someone we loved to set us back.

Cleaver: We didn't have time to mourn. There were too many things happening, one right after the other. Take 1968: Johnson says he's not going to run for president, and Bobby Kennedy becomes a contender for the Democratic nomination
Martin Luther King is assassinated. There's the first shoot-out in Oaldand wi the Black Panthers and 17-year-old Bobb Hutton is murdered, and Eldridge is shot in the leg and arrested along with eight other people. After that, Bobby Kennedy is assassinated. Next comes the Democratic Convention in Chicago, the so-called Days of Rage, when Bobby Seale is charged with crossing state lines to incite a riot. A few months later, Alprentice -Bunchy" Carter, the chairman of the Los Angeles chapter of the Black Panther Party, is assassinated...

Davis: Along with John Huggins, a good friend of mine.

Cleaver: By then, Eldridge had fled to Cuba. I felt helpless, angry and furous. So I dyed my hair red, a symbol of Bunchy's blood, and kept moving on. Today I sometimes wonder how I got through all that.

Davis: I, too, wonder why I didn't have a nervous breakdownCleaver: The energy of the times sustained us. There was a worldwide revolutionary upheaval. There were movements to stop the draft, blow up troop trains, free all political prisoners... All of them began to coalesce and share platforms.

Davis: There was a kind of spirituality in the belief that people could change the world. When I was arrested and initially facing the death penalty, I felt very much soothed by the fact that all these people were committed to fighting for my freedom and believed ultimately we would man.

The Source of Our Commitment

Cleaver: We both come from families who were very committed to radical change. When you grow up in that environment, your sense of commitment and struggle is nourished. But you also have to be independent-minded. At some point you may have to say "This is what I'm going to do whether you like it or not."

Davis: It took me a long time to recognize that I was actually living out my mother's legacy, because I always saw myself as challenging her and doing what she did not. She had been very active in the campaign to free the nine young men implicated in the Scottsboro rape case and never had any problems with the principle of resistance. But she was quite upset when I told her I was doing work with the Black Panther Party.

Cleaver: She was frightened, especially later on when she saw your picture on a wanted poster as a fugitive from justice.

Davis: But I'm amazed at how well she grappled with that situation. She never thought about not supporting me. She started speaking out all over the country. In fact, my brothers, my father, everybody was involved.

Parting Words

Davis: I can remember wanting to be like you. After all, you were already a revolutionary when I was still an aspiring one. I recall being in L.A., and getting stopped by the cops several times, because they thought I was Kathleen Cleaver--simply because we're both light-skinned and had big naturals. And what I now find so interesting is that our trajectories were very similar.

Cleaver: Well, we both came out of Alabama. You came from Birmingham, which was so intense that they called it "Bombingham." I came out of Tuskegee, which had a very long tradition of dignified protests. I grew up with a tremendous sense of Black accomplishment, and it was quite stunning for me to try to comprehend the mentality of a White supremacist or a racist.

Davis: So I'm really glad we've finally had the opportunity to have this conversation, because we have always been associated with each other in some way.

Cleaver: And now we've been merged into one person. Davis: That's right. Cleaver: Sometimes called Angela and sometimes called Kathleen.

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Lili,

You and everybody in here can
post all the threads you want to

---and still won't make KATHLEEN
CLEAVER into a "Black Woman" for
those of us---both African and Black
American who were do not accept the
White Slave Master's acculturation from
slave plantations and have respect for
Black People.

The DESIRE on all your parts to
claim this lady as "BLACK" comes
from understandable conditioning--but
it disrespects Black People and it
still is an emblem of your hatred for
Black people and the need to identify
with WHITE SUPREMACY---which is why
Negroes rose her up in the first place.

She is of a "multi-racial" background,
and fought for Black issues, Black rights
but she's not black.








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Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 09:39 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

HUH...? Im posting items I found interesting. I cant make her black she is already black whether you accept it or not Kola. Im not debating with you on it.
Also I want to apoligize for spelling her name wrong. AOL had gotten on my last nerve booting me and I was typing fast.
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These movements was flawed from the beginning Lili because like all the other Black "movements" in this country it was not started by Black ppl. It was started by mullattos. Not to say that these ppl did not care about "Black" ppl but they are not Black themselves so they will never know what it is like to be "Black".

Like I said before there are alot of White, Mexican, Asians, and Indians who love Black ppl but they are not Black. They are on the "outside looking in".
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Honestly if I ever met this woman face to face and she identified herself as a black woman I would consider it an insult. My most polite response would be to laugh in her face. It is amazing what some people will accept. Is it truly that desparate?

Someone else made a post that helps me understand people like her and that is that this woman could have been just another white woman, which is what she is. Or she could identify as a black woman and be put on a pedestal high above true black women. She chose the latter. And it looks like she's done well for herself in doing so. She reminds me of Ward Connerly, a fake Indian whose built his career on being an Indian academic. They should marry and spawn. Now that would be funny.
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Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 10:44 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Try as you may, Kola Boof, you cannot arbitrate what labels can be used to identify people. You don't possess that kind of power or the kind of control. You are deluded because you do not speak for the black masses. You speak for an angry vocal minority whose complaints are neutralized by the sentiments of the majority who embrace anyone who can trace their roots back to the slave quarters. Somewhere in the recesses of Kathleen Neal Cleaver's brain was a black synapse that would not die, an impulse which would not be denied and it drove her to become a fighter in a struggle that resonated with her soul; not her body. So shut your ol hybrid mouth and quit trying to impose your self-serving views on people who owe you no allegiance.
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Thank you Dahomeyahosi.

And I agree 100%

I don't even know why CYNIQUE, Lili
and the others would keep responding
to me as though I'm going to respect
and honor what they have to say about
them insulting our race.

Their "One Drop" shit is over
and will die with the "Kathleen
Cleavers" of the world---just as
slavery itself is dying.










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What Ever Kola Spoof

Go sit your

Authentic

Mixie

Bi-Racial

Half-Breed

Mulatto

Ass

Down somewhere

And quit

Trying

To

Pretend

You're

Black!!!


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Kola --

Re: Mzuri...

"Go sit your

Authentic

Mixie

Bi-Racial

Half-Breed

Mulatto

Ass

Down somewhere"

And I thought M was talking about "me".
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Kola:

So what is she? Cuz she certainly ain't white.
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So everybody who ISN'T WHITE is automatically Black?

BULLSHIT!

She's just what she is---MULTI-RACIAL, "Octoroon", Whatever.

She's not Black.





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You're not BLACK either Kola Spoof!!!


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Someone sent me the
following EMAIL:


Kola you can't discuss such
an issue with former slaves and
you can't expect them to intellectualize
what you are saying.

They can only react emotionally
just as your hurt as an African is
coming from an emotional place. They
can't understand how Africans feel
insulted and you can't understand that
this has been their way of life for
hundreds of years. They are not from
Africa they are from slavery.


Thanks for that insight
and I posted it as my ending
comment, because I think he's
right.






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Chrishayden you assert that she isn't white because white people have made it clear that they have certain standards for whiteness that she does not meet, in spite of a phenotype that screams whiteness. For the most part, they demand purity with minor exceptions in order to bolster their ranks when necessary (i.e. Iberians). Some blacks demand absolutely nothing. This is the problem.

Kathleen Cleaver is multi-racial but overwhelmingly white. Letting her get away with calling her white is equivalent to allowing someone with a Cherokee gggrandmother to call themeselves Cherokee. I suppose people can and will call themselves anything they like. But what they actually are is another story.
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Well, kola, has it finally sunk into your numb skull, that your roots aren't our roots so you should quit trying to adopt black Americans as your wayward children. We don't want or need you. You have no legitimacy in our culture. So throw in the white towel. LMAO.
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Someone sent me the
following EMAIL:


Kola you can't discuss such
an issue with former slaves and
you can't expect them to intellectualize
what you are saying.

They can only react emotionally
just as your hurt as an African is
coming from an emotional place. They
can't understand how Africans feel
insulted and you can't understand that
this has been their way of life for
hundreds of years. They are not from
Africa they are from slavery.


Thanks for that insight
and I posted it as my ending
comment, because I think he's
right.





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BTW, kola, have you broken up your "love affair" with Pearl Cleage, that fair-skinned black woman who you just adore, blindly fawning over her "negroid" facial features, doing all of this just because she agrees with you on some issues. You are sooooo transparent. All the e-mails in the world offering rationales with the intent of assuaging your misguided intentions do nothing to confirm your authority on blackness. That "condolence card" you posted just magnifies how much you need pity.
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Is my LOVE for Pearl Cleage dependent on me thinking she's black??

Can I LOVE her and still acknowledge that
she is mixed-race?

This is really the MISUNDERSTANDING that
Black Americans have---that just because
we don't see someone as "black", we don't
love them.

That's not true.

I LOVE Pearl Cleage.




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Can you acknowledge that you're mixed race, Kola Spoof??? Damn.

And BTW, numbnuts, I don't see you as BLACK.


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And what does Pearl Cleage call herself, kola? Does she consider herself multi-racial or black???
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They can only react emotionally
just as your hurt as an African is
coming from an emotional place. They
can't understand how Africans feel
insulted and you can't understand that
this has been their way of life for
hundreds of years. They are not from
Africa they are from slavery.

That is a foolish comment, as I see it. Slavery in the U.S. ended 1865. Slavery was not invented in the Americas.

We know, as you do, that slavery is an old institution part of civilization since ancient times. We also know that BEFORE the transatlantic slave trade too root in Africa [around the mid-15t century] Africans enslaved other Africans. But within this system of enslavement, African slaves were primarily assimilated into their master's societies; thus, there was African slavery, and slaves exported through the trans-Sahaharan trade. But by the time, the british, french, and the dutch began to partake in the trans-Atlantic trade [1650s], African slavery began to change, and by the 17th century, African slavery began to be associated both with the creation of African states and agricultural economies.

And after the slave trade formally ended in 1807, Africans slavery expanded exponentially until around the turn of the 20th century, as Europeans used the elimination of slavery in Africa as a reason to devy up Africa.

Thus, as quiet as its kept among many Africans, many of them are descendants of slaves. They often focus on their more recent oppressive history of colonialism, but slavery in Africa, at least on a large scale, ended around 1900, that is AFTER slavery in ALL of the Americas.

With that said, one would hope that a people's history can go beyond that part of their history that is related to oppression....One can only hope that Africans and African Americans can learn how to play fair, read, read, talk, talk, break bread, and consider that neither is right or wrong, but there has to be room to agree to disagree and at the same time focus on shared struggles and goals. But I am an optimist!
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Tell em, Yukio. Put em in check!
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why read and not share?
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Yukio....STOP THE BULLSHIT.

Only "American" slavery invented
a "One Drop" rule.

And "Americans Blacks" were FORCED
and CONDITIONED to accept the one
drop rule during SLAVERY.

They carried it on afterwards,
because by then---it was natural
as breathing to them.

That's just one more VIOLATION
against the Humanity of Black
people that they "hold onto"
because it's all they know.

NO WHERE ELSE ON THE PLANET
---not Brazil, not Haiti, not Africa
not Dominican Republic
do Black People adhere to this
racist, idiotic one drop bullshit.

It goes with being a NIG.

You think so little of yourself
that just anybody can be you--and
you're PROUD of that.

Now it makes sense why all of
your children want to be white
---they've been TAUGHT/RAISED
that they can become White and
still call themselves "black"
---which is why there's no need
to be black people anymore.




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ok, i'll stop if you stop!
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STOPPED. :-)



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