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     Nels Veteran Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 658 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
http://johnsville.blogspot.com/ Duke Lacrosse » Duke Rape Accuser NameDuke Rape Accuser Name. Posted on 04.20.06 by Admin @ 3:41 am. Information About the Duke Lacrosse Rape “Victim”. Name: Crystal Gail Mangum (Alias: Janette ... www.dukelacrosse.us/duke-lacrosse-rape-accuser-name/ - 18k - Jan 15, 2007 - === Given the undoctored photo of her on the blog, the accused Duke Lacrosse Team players must have been smoking some really good shit. | ||
| Tonya AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 4074 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
I hope Troy has the good taste to delete this thread. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3013 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Sorry Tonya. I know how you took this case to heart, but this woman's time in the rape victim identity protection program is over. Since she really isn't a rape victim, she deserves no further protection. As to her looks, there's nothing wrong with her. All dressed up with appropriate make-up, she could be a knock-out. | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1537 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: |
And here ya have it. Liar and skanky twin of Twanda Brawely. Done deal.....  | ||
| Lil_ze Veteran Poster Username: Lil_ze Post Number: 668 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
yes, way to champion freedom of speech by suggesting that this post be deleated? why should this post be deleated? the accused had their photos posted ALL over the place. now its time for this LIAR to know how it feels. but i guess she can never really know how it feels, because she IS guilty of LYING. the accused were guilty of nothing. as far as how she looks- I NEED TO SEE A PHOTO OF JOY BRYANT, EVA PIGFORD, RACHEL TRUE, OR BIANCA LAWSON, JUST TO RECOVER. WHAT A F-UGLY LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Nels Veteran Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 660 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Tonya -- Get a head rub. | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1538 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
"WHAT A F-UGLY LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Ouch...!!!! | ||
| Lola_ogunnaike Veteran Poster Username: Lola_ogunnaike Post Number: 508 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
I don't think she's ugly. She's "average". And she looks really young in that pic, too. | ||
| Nels Veteran Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 661 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Lola -- "I don't think she's ugly. She's "average". And she looks really young in that pic, too." She's (almost) as ugly as it gets, any way you "cut" it. | ||
| Moonsigns Veteran Poster Username: Moonsigns Post Number: 1722 Registered: 07-2004 Rating: N/A |
She's not ugly, but she's not pretty either. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7870 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Ntfs, I don't know if it was your intent. But the picture you posted of this young lady makes me feel more sorry for and empathetic of her than I felt PRIOR to my seeing it. | ||
| Nels Veteran Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 666 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Moonsigns -- "She's not ugly, but she's not pretty either." There's an "ugly" factory born every minute. It's all relative. | ||
| Doberman23 Veteran Poster Username: Doberman23 Post Number: 689 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
she's ugly not by looks but for being a lieing beotch. there is nothing worse than being accused of something you didn't do.... i feel sorry for those duke boys just like i did for mike tyson and kobe. | ||
| Chrishayden AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 3398 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
I don't feel sorry for the Duke boys. One of them was on probation for beating up a gay person at the time--what kind of little animals got money for a stripper for their frat party? They had the good (?) sense to pick a black woman to do this to--the prosecutor went after them probably because they have been raising all kinds of hell on campus and nobody did nothing. They will do it again now that they got away but the next time it will be somebody white. I don't know how anybody can be sympathetic with a bunch of rapists. | ||
| Chrishayden AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Chrishayden Post Number: 3402 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/533242.html | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6760 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
I notice you aren't calling this "scum" a whore, chrishayden. Do you just apply this label to black women like Halle and Beyonce? Of course because you like to elevate the down-trodden for no other reason except that they are down-trodden. | ||
| Nels Veteran Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 669 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Chris -- "They had the good (?) sense to pick a black woman to do this to" Hmmmm... | ||
| Eastwest Regular Poster Username: Eastwest Post Number: 107 Registered: 12-2006 Rating: N/A |
Nels,are you saying that it's impossible for a group of drunk white boys to rape a black woman? If so I do not agree. Yes Crystal Mangum is FUGLY But,When a group of guys are Drunk, ANYTHING can happen. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7883 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
I don't care much for her hairstyle. But I don't find this woman to be ugly (or fugly). She's looks like your average African American young lady. | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1542 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
"I don't know if it was your intent. But the picture you posted of this young lady makes me feel more sorry for and empathetic of her than I felt PRIOR to my seeing it." My intention was not to elicit sympathy for her. I have none. Her lies in collaboration with an out of control criminal DA almost destroyed the lives of three young men. I am not suggesting these three young men have sterling and angel qualifying lives. But they were charged with something they did not do! This is like a modern day Scottsboro Boys in reverse when two trashy white women named Victoria Price and Ruby Bates lied about being raped by nine young black men in 1931. It was lie that resulted in a scandalous sensational international trial. In fact, Ruby Bates later recanted her testimony and confessed the alleged gang rape never happened. It didn't matter. The Scottsboro Boys were still convicted and sentenced to death - at the first trial. Everyone knows the core issue of this case is race. But race should never be a central issue nor deciding factor in the administration of justice. Not stumping for an existing fair and unbiased justice system because we all know that is not the case in America (or any other place in the world). But it matters not when three men are accused of a crime they did not commit -regardless of any previous alleged or proven bad behavior. If you didn't commit an alleged crime, why should you be imprisoned or put on trail? As far as she is concerned, I would imprison and put her on trail for making false allegations and making false statements. I'd also immediately disbar Michael Nifong and put him on trial for his deliberate manipulation and tampering of evidence. Both individuals behavior is disgusting and only serves to create further cynicism and distrust (and rightfully so) of the justice system. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3023 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
I agree with NT that she should face charges of making false allegations, but I doubt that will ever happen. I do foresee the families suing her though - for defamation of character. Watch and see. | ||
| Tonya AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 4076 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: |
I agree with you, Mzuri, that she is not a bad looking woman but I do not see how she's not a rape victim. She never said it didn't happen; she said she doesn't remember; and honestly I would have said the same thing if I was in her position... She had no chance against these boys, the media, white public - ect; and when you count the fact that her lawyer was opportunistic and incompetent, this girl never had a shot; I would have dropped the case too. Everything that happened to this woman in this case, including this thread, is why most rape cases never get reported in the first place; so what this young lady did should come as a surprise to no one, especially to folks on this forum, most know why rape cases are underreported and sometimes never go the trail. BTW, I did an aalbc Google search using it in conjunction with the phrase “Kobe Bryant’s accuser,” and nada… nothing even close to this triflin thread. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3026 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Well Ms. Tonya, we've argued this case from the beginning ad nauseam. And I hate to say that I told you so but this woman had credibility issues from the jump - because she was a dancer - an escort - a prostitute. I honestly don't know what her story is at this point, whether she doesn't remember or what she attested to about who did what to whom. But from all accounts she has changed her story multiple times, there doesn't seem to be any corroboration from her co-worker (the other dancer), the evidence is lacking, DNA shows that she had unprotected sex with multiple other people besides those that she accused and she has made allegations about someone raping her in the past. All of these factors, coupled with her career choices and her reputation, do not bode well for this "victim." Is it possible that she was raped at the frat party by the white boys? Yes. But at this point it's irrelevant because nary a soul believes her. This victim has cried wolf one too many times and against the wrong people. The victim's own conduct and false testimony has hurt the outcome of her case as well as that of future rape victims, not anything that has been discussed on this forum. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7885 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Ntfs, Well. I'm just describing to you my firstblush impression after seeing how she looks. I dare say NO ONE here has been more critical of what this woman and the DA has done. I quarreled with several foks here about how shytty I thought this this whole thing was and will be proven to be. Don't believe me, check the archives, Kemosabee. So I wouldn't really debate anything you've expressed about the severity of what she's done, how she should make restitution for such, etc. Still...the very FIRST feeling I had when I looked at the picture was to feel sorry for her. I guess it's because she looks so much like young Black women I've known over the course of my life. | ||
| Tonya AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 4077 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
Mzuri, "I hate to say that I told you so..." We haven't heard from the victim AT ALL; we heard little from her family and even less from her lawyers in this media thunderstorm; so you haven't told me anything, we got ways to go. And I disagree with you again on the following: "Is it possible that she was raped at the frat party by the white boys? Yes. But at this point it's irrelevant because nary a soul believes her." Don’t quote me on these numbers but last I heard (yesterday) was almost the majority of non-whites--all people of color, not just blacks--believe her story more. And even close to a 1/3 of whites in N.C. think she's been done wrong. | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3029 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
The "victim's" accusations are the basis of the entire case so we have heard from her - thru her sworn statements against the "rapists." The statements that keep changing. As far as anyone thinking she's been done wrong, in what way? Some people probably think she was wronged because the prosecutor used her case in order to further his own political career - to garner votes from the Black community to get him re-elected. I personally don't believe that she's been raped and it doesn't look like many of the posters here believe it either. But I could be wrong. | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1547 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
"Is it possible that she was raped at the frat party by the white boys? Yes. But at this point it's irrelevant because nary a soul believes her. This victim has cried wolf one too many times and against the wrong people." Oh, I'm sure that some for of sex took place. And yes, I'm sure they were making racist slurs, mocking her cheap down the back blond weave with the tracks showing and making degrading sexual remarks. But none of it was nothing this woman did not experience nor willingly participate in before. Don't forget, she made her living by sexually serving and entertaining men -both black and white! That was her job and that is what she did. I'm not judging her for that but I am judging her for falsely accusing three men of something that did not happen. "The victim's own conduct and false testimony has hurt the outcome of her case as well as that of future rape victims, not anything that has been discussed on this forum." She has zero credibility for initially claiming 20 men raped her then later said it was on 3. If he was traumatized by being sexually assaulted by a gang , why did she become pregnant at least two weeks after the party where she says she was raped? Why did Brian Meehan, director of DNA Security of Burlington, state the found DNA found in her vagina, underwear, rectum and the pubic hairs, came from numerous other men but not from the three accused Duke students? Bottom line is this, she lied! And Nifong is equally culpable for this sickening charade by playing the race card to get reelected. Think about this; These three young men came from well connected wealthy families. They were able to fight back. What if they had been poor? Nifong would have convicted them by now and the skank tramp would have gone along with convicting three innocent men. And who is the say Nifong has not manipulated and tampered with evidence in other cases? I don't trust the man. And your point about lying prostitutes like her who damage the cases with current and future rape cases is unfortunately true. I find it amazing that anyone would mindlessly cling to a debased fantasy that she was raped by these three men (like the false rape charge she filed against three men in 1996) or that she is some kind of unwitting abused victim. It makes no sense. | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1594 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
this is really silly and foolish...the racial and the class issues are clear, regardless of the Duke kids guilt! Furthermore, and Worse in fact, just because there was no DNA doesn't meant that she was NOT rapped! It just means that GOD only knows! | ||
| Mzuri "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Mzuri Post Number: 3030 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
But there was DNA, just not from the accused. And Tonya should be commended because she has fought for this woman from the beginning. Even though it's a losing battle, she's really sincere in her defense, regardless of what anyone else says. | ||
| Tonya AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Tonya Post Number: 4081 Registered: 07-2006 Rating: N/A |
Mzuri, Most of the posters here seem to be "iffy" about both sides in this case or indifferent to the whole process. The few guys on this board who have spoken out passionately against the victim since the rape charges were dropped, are the same guys who speak ill about black women - esp. those black black women with traditional black features - ALLLL the time on these boards.... I’M NOT THE LEAST BIT SURPRISED, as far as these guys are concerned. But I think most posters are a little more neutral on this subject, for various reasons. And thanks for the kind words, really, but nobody should be commended. I think that you and most everyone else is being sincere with their opinions. But I disagree with you - yet again, lol - about how most of the posters feel. | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1549 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
"Furthermore, and Worse in fact, just because there was no DNA doesn't meant that she was NOT rapped!" If you are allegedly raped by three men, there will be some form of DNA evidence. I have no idea what your idea of proof is other than a false accusation. | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1597 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Ntfs: I am neither a scientist nor an attorney...but I am speaking in the realm of possibility not law and the court room. | ||
| Nels Veteran Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 673 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: |
Abm -- "She's looks like your average African American young lady." Re: Your message above... On a lighter note, perhaps the ladies where you live have tar on their pancakes. Average looking? Not in your wildest dreams. | ||
| Americansista Regular Poster Username: Americansista Post Number: 196 Registered: 09-2006 Rating: N/A |
Hmmmm....the pic looks dated. I don't believe ANYONE would rock braids in that style any more. Perhaps circa 1990 - 1995ish? At any rate I do not find her repulsive looking but she is NOT pretty, IMHO. To the naysayers that don't believe a group of white frat boys could rape a black woman, that is asinine. MEN in GENERAL who have tha compulsion rape WOMEN, period...regardless of race, age or shape. While I don't believe this female's rape allegations (too many holes in her story), I wouldn't put SHYT past some peckawoods drunk off of Pabst Blue Ribbon beer and Tequila Shooters. I just think it's FUKED up if she lied. Hell, that makes it soooo much harder for those who have legitmately been sexually assaulted. | ||
| Nels Veteran Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 678 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Americansista -- "I just think it's FUKED up if she lied." It sure wouldn't help her cause. | ||
| Americansista Regular Poster Username: Americansista Post Number: 197 Registered: 09-2006 Rating: N/A |
Hell, it won't be no cause, lol. She'll be needing a lawyer for reporting a false crime and all types of other things I know nothing about, lol. Her damn cause will be to see just how she can beat jail time or community service with another lie. | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1550 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
"Ntfs: I am neither a scientist nor an attorney...but I am speaking in the realm of possibility not law and the court room." And what realm of possibility might that be? The skanky liar told investigators that she had not had sex for a week leading up to the March 13 party! DNA evidence processed by a private laboratory for the prosecution not only contradicts her statements, but also proves none of the three young men she accused had sex with her. Her pathological lying not only exonerates the accused men but it clearly proved she was lying about the men she did have sex with! And since Nifong is a rouge DA and criminal himself, in April, the attorneys for the accused men said that DNA testing found no evidence linking the players to the accuser, but there was no mention of DNA being found from other males in the report that was given to the defense by prosecutors. WTF!!?? Nifong manipulated the report to cover up the fact that while no DNA from the three accused men was found, but there was no DNA period! THIS WAS A BOLD FACE LIE!!! Like the besieged lying prostitute, why would you believe anything case he attempts to brings to trial?? The DNA evidence from the other males was not included in a report provided from the prosecution (something you don't seem to believe, genital to gential contact with rapists can produce DNA evidence). Not to mention the fact that this disheveled lying prostitute stated to "hospital personnel that the alleged attackers did not wear condoms and ejaculated inside her! Her words, not mine! It's all documented. Now, if you think for one second that three men can have sex with one woman, without using condoms, ejaculate inside her or on her and not leave detectable DNA, well, I guess there is not further need to discuss this case. E'nuff said.... | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1551 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
"To the naysayers that don't believe a group of white frat boys could rape a black woman, that is asinine." I don't recall one person in this thread suggesting that a gang of white frat boys would not rape a black woman -at least I didn't attempt to assert that. Race has nothing to do with it. The possibility of a woman being raped by a group of drunken young college men is very plausible. But it just didn't happen in this particular case. | ||
| Serenasailor Veteran Poster Username: Serenasailor Post Number: 1081 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
BOY YOU HOUSE KNEE-GROWS COME OUT WHEN YOUR SLAVE-MASTERS ARE IN ANY KIND OF TROUBLE!! EVEN AGAINST YOUR OWN. BUT I GUESS SHE IS PUBLIC ENEMY # 1 BY YOUR STANDARDS SINCE SHE IS A BW AND A DARK-SKINNED ONE AT THAT!! SEEING ESPECIALLY HOW LIL_ZE, NTFS AND EASTWEST SEEM TO HAVE A SEETHING HATRED OF BW. •••• YOU AND ALL OF YOU BW HATERS!! I'M SORRY YOU ONLY HATE CERTAIN TYPES OF BW. THE ONES THAT YOU PUNK ASS NIKKAS DEEM "TOO BLACK". BUT I GUESS IF THIS CHICKED LOOKED LIKE BEYONCE OR RIHANNA THEN YOU GUYS WOULD JUMP TO HER DEFENSE EVEN IF THE CASE DID TURN OUT LIKE THIS ONE. AND BEFORE YOU GUYS START TO INSULT ME LET ME POST A PIC OF A WW SO YOU GUYS WILL BE SO DISTRACTED BY HER "BEAUTY" THAT YOU WILL FORGET TO "HURL INSULTS AT ME". I'M SEARCHING ON INTERNET RIGHT NOW FOR PICS OF ROSANNE, SINCE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE TYPES OF WW THAT YOU BROTHA'S SEEM TO GO FOR. | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1553 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: |
"BOY YOU HOUSE KNEE-GROWS COME OUT WHEN YOUR BUT I GUESS SHE IS PUBLIC ENEMY # 1 BY YOUR STANDARDS SINCE SHE IS A BW AND A DARK-SKINNED ONE AT THAT!! SEEING ESPECIALLY HOW LIL_ZE, NTFS AND EASTWEST SEEM TO HAVE A SEETHING HATRED OF BW." Not once did I mention the color of this woman's skin. I don't have skin color issues with black people -you do! I don't make distinctions between dark, brown or light complexioned people -you do! Never have I attacked nor said derisive comments about another black persons skin color -you have. I have never judged another black person in this forum because there were or they were not a certain skin color -you have. And I have never hysterically ranted, continually railed or threw temper tantrums because of another black persons skin color -but you do. So, we have now laid to rest who is the real skin color bigot. As far as this woman being a black with a dark complexion, I had never really noticed until you mentioned it. It's irrelevant. But for the record, her skin color nor her race has no bearing whatsoever on what she did. The only person who has made her skin color and issue is you -no one else. My issue is the fact that she lied. She jeopardized the lives of three innocent men. Race and color has no meaning to this case. A prostitute with a proven history of lying and a corrupt DA is the core issue here. If this case was reversed and the woman was white and the three defendants were black men -every word I said would be applicable and I would have said exactly the same thing. However, you would be singing a different tune -just the opposite of the race baiting histronics spewed here. | ||
| Lil_ze Veteran Poster Username: Lil_ze Post Number: 673 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: |
well said nfts. where the hell was there ANY mention of this females shade of skin? where have i ever said anything about a female being "too black"? it seems that the only person (one of the only people) who is ALWAYS focusing on shade of skin is YOU serenasailor. if you cannot accept that there are balck females out there who are not as "dark" as you want them to be, thats your problem. but what do any of the comments on this thread have to do with someone being "too black"? where is the "seeting" hatred of "black women"? this case (the duke "rape" case) has to do with people being able to make accusations, and the accused being convicted before any DUE process. if the accuser was the color of beyonce, it would make NO difference. this has ZERO to do with shade of skin. but it seems like for CERTAIN posters, ANY issue or topic, is ALWAYS brought back to skin tone or shade of skin. very intelligent. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7897 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: |
Nels, I can only assume your "tar on their pancakes" references to some colloquialism that alludes me. Anyway. I do NOT find this woman to be fugly you and others do. But opinions are, indeed, like a$$holes: We're ALL entitled to have them. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7898 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Nfts, Given the details of all the misdeeds here, SOMEBODY must be charged with a crime. And if I can only pick ONE person, it would be Nifong. | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1600 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
abm: opinions like asswholes....LOL! nfts: good job! Duh! You finally, got it! You keep bringing up DNA result, and clearly I'm not convinced that DNA results tell the whole story. I watch too much CSI for that...LOL! | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1557 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
Yukio: "nfts: good job! Duh!" Thanks.... "You finally, got it!" No, I've always had it. You seem to be struggling with the fact that there is no physical evidence to support the lies of this woman, not me. I have no sane reason to support rapists if that is the case. But for some strange reason, you cannot digest the fact that these three young men did not rape this woman. One of the men has already been proved to have not been there during the time she said she was assaulted by him. Think of Ruby Bates my dear, THINK OF RUBY BATES......... "You keep bringing up DNA result, and clearly I'm not convinced that DNA results tell the whole story." Really? Like what? What about the DNA evidence do you not understand? Details please..... "I watch too much CSI for that.." Well, there ya go. That seems to be your problem. Too much TV. ABM: "Given the details of all the misdeeds here, SOMEBODY must be charged with a crime. And if I can only pick ONE person, it would be Nifong." I agree 100%. This man is a criminal who manipulated and withheld evidence that would have cleared this three guys. I don't trust him and given this well calculated slight of hand criminal behavior. I have no reason not to believe he has not done it before. As I previously stated, he picked on the wrong families. They have resources to fight back and expose his criminality. What about the poor people who could not fight back and did not have the legal resources to rightfully clear their names of any wrong doing? How many other people are sitting in jail because he possibly framed them of a crime they did not commit? | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7919 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Ntfs, That's a excellent point you make concerning what likely would have happened to these (and has probably HAS happened to other) young men if they were poor (and *GASP*...BLACK). | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1601 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Ntfs: I made a mistake...I thought you got it!?...I thought you got my point that DNA does give us all the answers, and that anything under the Sun is possible. In other words, I'm less interested in her guilt and more interested in how DNA evidence and the like have led you to disparage her as a human being. Coincidentally, in ten years there will be more scientific ways to assess these matters, and they will reveal that the present DNA tests are insufficient and imperfect...that is the nature of life and science...again, anything under the Sun is possible, and like I say to my nephews, I remember when a cell phone was the size of my 11 size shoe.... As I see it, regardless of fact that you did not you mention color or race, you are implicitly disparaging black women who may encounter this situation, and who may be innocent but without DNA evidence to prove their innocence. Whether we like it or not, this black woman represents Black Women in the eyes of the broader society. And any time a black women is involved in a rape situation, they will always and forever have to deal with what happened w/this woman and these Duke Univ. white students. | ||
| Lola_ogunnaike Veteran Poster Username: Lola_ogunnaike Post Number: 518 Registered: 10-2006 Rating: N/A |
SINCE SHE IS A BW AND A DARK-SKINNED ONE AT THAT!! My ashy self is so dark black that that girl look brownskinned to me, not really dark-skinned. | ||
| Serenasailor Veteran Poster Username: Serenasailor Post Number: 1084 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
How funny though. With all the thousands of countless BM who committed crimes and BW blindly stood behind them. Even if he did rape that WW, shoot that WM, or rob that liquor store she still stood behind him. What about all the Black "knuckleheads" like OJ, Kobe, etc that BW stood behind. When even in there personal and public lives they made it clear that they wanted nothing to do with BW she still stood behind yo punk asses. However, the minute she gets into any kind of trouble. Its every man, woman, child for himself. No one and I mean no one stands up for her. She is seen as a whore by BM and BW are to scared to say anything. And don't let a WM be involved then she public enemy #1. YOU PPL ARE PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 6800 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Why, Serenasailor, do you empathize more BW than you do with BM? Is it because you're full of BS or because your just need some TLC from Mr. GS. Seriously, has this woman attracted a lot of support from black women's groups? If not, could it be because she makes us all look suspect and she raises the bar for legitimate rape cases. The idea of supporting a black woman just because she's a black woman is counter-productive. In this instance, obstinance need to be replaced with clarity so that we can move forward and focus on legitimate grievances that don't dissipate in the light of facts. | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1561 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
"As I see it, regardless of fact that you did not you mention color or race, you are implicitly disparaging black women who may encounter this situation, and who may be innocent but without DNA evidence to prove their innocence." Ya know, I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. First of all, I never suggested nor indirectly implied that black women are not victims of physical or sexual assaults. My only point was this particular black woman was discredited by the never ending lies and flip flops in her testimony, inconsistencies and zero physical evidence to support her bogus accusations. It's as simple as that. She is one individual who I am referring to -not black women (or any other female victims of sexual assaults) as a group! DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW? Secondly, I detest men who physically assault and rape women just as much as I hate child molesters. So I would never under any circumstances rationalize nor defend a rapist or a man who beats women. AGAIN, DO YOU UNDERSTAND? "Whether we like it or not, this black woman represents Black Women in the eyes of the broader society." I'm not sure I agree with that. I understand the spirit and intent of your comment but I think you may be overreaching the facts somewhat. This woman has a history of lying and the very profession she has chosen is one that not one of us would hope our daughters would choose. And you know exactly what I mean. She puts herself at risk by the lifestyle and profession she has chosen. I do not consider her in anyway representative of black women as a group. I hope you don't either. And even if someone did believe that, she is still a liar, the gang rape she alleged did not take place and she willingly accused three men falsely of something they did not do. That cannot be over looked nor justified. End of subject....! "And any time a black women is involved in a rape situation, they will always and forever have to deal with what happened w/this woman and these Duke Univ. white students." Once again, I think you are overreaching. Even if this particular farce never occurred, rape accusations by women have always and will continue to be suspect. It has nothing to do with her. It was that way before her and it will continue after her. I think you are so caught up in the race politics that you refuse to see beyond the obvious. This lying skank in no way represents nor typifies the average black woman (or any woman for that matter). And to put the final nails in the coffin on this subject, let's flip the scrip. Your 21 year old son is a student at Duke U and a white stripper/prostitute accuses him and two of his frat brothers of raping her. The white woman's story is riddled with contradictions and outright lies and there is absolutely no physical evidence (e.g. DNA) to support anything she has said. Yet, a white corrupt DA is determined to prosecute and imprison your son. Yukio, you would be foaming blood at the mouth, accusing the DA and the court system of racism and screeching at the top of your lungs for the head of that lying white tramp! YOU KNOW THIS IS TRUE AND YOU CANNOT DENY IT!!!!!! All of your glib and dismissive conjecture and incredulous pontifications would not exist!!! E'nuff said..... | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1602 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Ntfs: Overreaching...perhaps?! But I would say the same to you! We are talkin about public perception NOT "facts"! Of course, I know she doesn't represent all black women or even some. She represents herself. But a black woman from the hood is perceived, by the public in general as well as our bourgie black folks and respectable working class folks, as a skank, slut, etc....from the DOOR. In other words, while may think your words should be taken literally, in public perception, all of what you written means=black ghetto gurl. In other words, the FACT that the public, including black people, internalize public perception as FACT is what you seem to be missing..., in my humble opinion. Public Perception 101 1. The success of Oprah Winfrey, Colin Powell, Condaleez Rice, and others means that racism doesn't exist, and black people are poor because they are lazy. Beyond the whites' usage of the N.Word, racism is nonexistent, and we live in a colorblind society. 2. MLK won civil rights for black people. And the CRM movements was about his dream, partly whites boys and girls walking hand in hand w/little negro children. 3. Affirmative Action is only for black people. And the majority of African Americans in elite institutions are aa recipients, because they are not as smart as Africans and W.Indians. 4. If you where the ghetto uniform: timberlands, hoody, and vest, you must be a criminal or selling drugs. | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1605 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
excuse my typos.... In other words, while [you] may think your words should be taken literally, the public perception of your words means=black ghetto gurl. 4. If you [wear] the ghetto uniform: timberlands, hoody, and vest, you must be a criminal or selling drugs, uneducated criminal in training....[or what I was called when I was in elementary school...a hoodlum, but thats a lil ol skool, aint it!?] | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1566 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
Wow! This is an easy one. There is little you can do about Public Perception 101 other than not represent the negative and self degrading. You are very limited in what you can do about the negative perceptions people have other than not contributing to them yourself. Bottom line: Your point was well made. No arguments from me. But it in no way exonerates what the lying skank did. In fact, your Public Perception 101 has no relation to the point I was making. But it was interesting. | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7931 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
All these general, mostly irrelevant obfuscations about rape and about the historical mistreatment of Black women belie the FACT that the prosecution has FAILED to produce ANY credible evidence (either via forensic examination/testing, witnesses or even circumstantial) that a rape even occurred much less that the 3 men charged could be culpable of such. And given this FACT, how could you effectively - how could you rightfully - prosecute, much less CONVICT these men of a rape? Moreover, those of us BLACK foks who would discount the results and merits of the DNA testing that's been applied here would be wise to consider that THIS is very methodology that has resulted in FREEING scores of innocent BLACK men of rape and murder convictions (some of whom were on DEATH ROW!!!). | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1606 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
abm: point taken...but my comments aren't irrelevant at all. And, as is usual, my points go beyond the matter at hand. We are at war... And since we are at war, this rape case is a battle. A war that an enemy of ours [Nifong] and a probable insecure and perhaps greedy civilian [the black woman] has initiated, but not on our behalf. Now, DNA evidence is just a tool that both sides can use. And these folk seem to greedy. I really wonder what really happened, because she went to the police for something...was she underpaid, and said..."fuk that...i'm gonna get what i'm due," and she stormed to the police w/this story or to the store...don't now, but its something to think about... The fact that the woman was black and she received so much press, places this battle in the lap of the broader black community [consider that once the black lacrose player defended his teammates he , i think more than the DNA evidence, hit the nail on the head...exactly, because, as I point out, another black said they can't be rapist then then can't be rapist]. And, so we have to deal with the consequences of their mishaps, like it or not. That is public perception. And yes, we can address public perception especially among our own, Ntfs. Anytime a black person calls a black woman a skank and a liar, this person needs to know that the public image of black women, especially those of the hood, is nothing nice...black woman=skank, •••••, and other these other words that are negative....so Ntfs, in your non-color and racialized words, you are still implicitly talkin about black woman [again, i know she is not representative, and you don't, but I do not believe this case is outside of this racial discourse]. Yes, some of us have white friends or are friendly w/white folk but we are "different" not like most black people....it is both interesting and difficult to sit around white folk who feel too comfortable around you....i have had to cuss folk out a few times! Finally, I don't know why black people have been bamboozled by whites who get hype when they say....you are playing the race card, or ...."you are so caught up in the race politics that you refuse to see beyond the obvious," when in fact we are shitting, eating, working, and sleeping in the HOUSE that RACE built...I don't have to get play a card or get caught w/it as if its something floating in the air [LOL] it is the damn AIR! As I see it, you guys are still in the Matrix....anyways, good conversation...have a good day! | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 7946 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Yukio, I meant irrevelant within the context of whether or not (especially from a legal/judicial standpoint) the accused Duke Lacrosse players committed rape. I wasn't trying to wholly discount your (or anyone else's) commentary and viewpoints. | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1569 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
I have no idea what you want Yukio, I really don't. What is it that you seek? What is your point? Mine is a woman lied about a rape that did not happen and a self serving rouge DA attempted to imprison three young men who did not commit rape. Both should be held accountable for their criminal behavior. End of subject. But you seem to be struggling by making this into a cosmic sex-race war. I'm not suggesting these elements are not present. They are. But they always are if the victim and perpetrator are of a different gender or race. Nothing new here. Yukio, it seems to me as if you want black women to be the sacred cow, above board and given a free pass for bad behavior because of past and present mistreatment. I beg to differ. We cannot allow those who are wrong to hide behind their race or gender. Whites have done this too long. I need not list the cases where white racists committed heinous violent crimes against blacks but were protected and allowed to go free. They can no longer do that. I cannot subscribe to looking the other way or remain mute when someone is wrong. The lying skank and her pimp, a bully boy criminal DA, were both wrong! Why all this anguish and mental jujitsu over this fact? I will not defend a liar who almost cost three innocent men their lives. You feel we should just shrug our shoulders, say nothing, don't criticize and remain mute -because she is black and a female. Well, you can -I can't. It's wrong. It's as simple as that. And I really cannot understand your mindset for being so strident that she should be exempt from any criticism because it hurts black women as a group. Sorry, but I can't buy that. | ||
| Kola_boof AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Kola_boof Post Number: 4154 Registered: 02-2005 Rating: |
Oh please NTFS, you HATE black women---you rotten cold sore faced motherf.ucker ...you don't have to explain anything, you ain't shit and we all know that! | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1609 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
abm: gotcha! Ntfs: Right, these conditions, what you call "sex-race war," are always here. BUT, the impact is different on black people than it is on white people. And the impact is different on a black woman than it is on a white woman. You are looking at this outside of the arena of race and gender, when it is NOT. And conventiently judging things on an individual basis. This would be okay, if all was equal. If black people were seen as humans and individuals rather than a race. It not about hiding. Its really simple. There is a difference between calling her a liar and calling her a lying skank! Especially, when the public perception of black women from the hood is that they are all lying skanks! If we are to really put this in context, she was already guilty as soon as people found out she was a stripper. Similarly, she was again guilty, because a black DUke student [same race and class] stood up for his teammates! | ||
| Ntfs_encryption "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Ntfs_encryption Post Number: 1577 Registered: 10-2005 Rating: N/A |
"BUT, the impact is different on black people than it is on white people. And the impact is different on a black woman than it is on a white woman." Yukio, I know this and I do agree. But this woman's behavior was outrageous. Yes, crimes committed against black women are not taken as seriously as they are against white women. For some time now, I have wanted to post a critical thread about the national obsession and seemingly never ending news coverage of white females who are murder and rape victims (e.g. Jon Benet Ramsey, Natalee Holloway, Lacy Peterson, et al). Commentators like Bill O'Reilly, Nancy Grace, Greta Van Susteren and Rita Cosby ran full coverage every single day about the demise of these women. Never, ever have you seen this type of news coverage for a murdered or missing black or Latino woman. There is no parity of victims when it comes to race. I KNOW THIS! WE ALL KNOW THIS. But nevertheless, it does not exonerate nor excuse what this woman did. That is my point. I think your skin is just a little to thin when criticism is merited -simply because the perpetrator is black and female. | ||
| Yukio Veteran Poster Username: Yukio Post Number: 1614 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Ntfs: she has presumably done her damage....I haven't said she is guiltless, I have said that I doubt if DNA tells the whole story in all cases, and more importantly, you continue to harp less on her guilt and more on that claim that she is a skank...a discription that black women, unlike white man, can not take for granted a skank who happens to be black. | ||
| Jmho Regular Poster Username: Jmho Post Number: 179 Registered: 03-2004 Rating: N/A |
Yukio wrote: But a black woman from the hood is perceived, by the public in general as well as our bourgie black folks and respectable working class folks, as a skank, slut, etc....from the DOOR. In other words, while may think your words should be taken literally, in public perception, all of what you written means=black ghetto gurl. Yukio, I have to ask, have you been following this case? Should I add, closely? Would you consider the woman, in this case, to be from the hood? I would say any the public perceptions has more to do with her 'profession' and actions, before and after that night, more so than her being from the hood. Now you can argue that some of her actions have been ghettoish though. Yukio also wrote: Now, DNA evidence is just a tool that both sides can use. And these folk seem to greedy. I really wonder what really happened, because she went to the police for something...was she underpaid, and said..."fuk that...i'm gonna get what i'm due," and she stormed to the police w/this story or to the store...don't now, but its something to think about... That's not what happened. She wasn't underpaid. She and other dancer got their money before dancing. They were to dance for 2 hours but instead they danced about 5 or 10 minutes. Now why and when they stopped dancing is one of the issues. After leaving the house, the victim wanted to go back into the house, as she said there would be more money to be made, beyond what they each received, said the second dancer. The 'victim' didn't go the police. The police was called by the security guard, at the grocery store, because the second dancer stopped by there, after the 'victim' appeared to out of it and she didn't know her home address and didn't know where to take the 'victim'. |
