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Serenasailor
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Do you think she is the next Diana or Whitney? Is she doing a good job at transcending race?? Do you think she is the most talented artist out there? Is she as beautiful as everyone is saying she is?
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Brownbeauty123
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She's a liar and is taking credit for songs that she did not write.
Beyonce Takes Credit for 'Writing' Songs
Beyonce: She Didn't Write The Songs
Vanity Fair finally puts a solo African-American on its cover, and doesn’t do any fact checking.
Beyonce Knowles, who’s full of sass and has a striking voice, actually thinks she’s a songwriter. She says so in the new Vanity Fair.
In fact, Beyonce did not write her big hit "Crazy in Love," or even conceive of it. "Crazy in Love" — its horns, percussion, chief melody and overall "feel" — was written by the late and very great Eugene Record of the Chi-Lites (he died this summer). The group recorded and released it in 1969 as "Are You My Woman (Tell Me So)."
Indeed, the person who sought out the track was hip-hop producer Rich Harrison. He’s the go-to guy when you need to sample something obscure because you can’t write your own music.
He told MTV.com in February 2004 that he’d had the sample for some time, long before Beyonce knew about it.
"Yeah, I had it in the chamber," he told the Web site. "I hadn't really shopped it much, because sometimes you don't want to come out of the bag before it's right."
Harrison then brought Jay-Z in to add a rap. The result was such a success that Harrison would later adapt the horn section from the Chi-Lites' record for similar records he produced for pop singers Amerie and Jennifer Lopez.
The Vanity Fair article, however, makes it seem like Beyonce is a genius songwriter who came up with all this stuff. Knowles says, without her veracity being questioned: "'Crazy in Love' was really hard to write because there was so much going on … I mean, I had written — what? —seven, eight number one songs with Destiny's Child, in a row." Of Jay-Z's added rap: "I knew the song wasn’t complete because the horns were so old school…"
There, she is correct. The horns were old school. They were charted 36 years ago by Record, who also wrote "Have You Seen Her?," "Oh Girl," "Am I The Same Girl?" and many other classic R&B hits. Unfortunately, he’s no longer here to defend himself.
In the Vanity Fair article, Beyonce also claims to have “written” seven No. 1 songs. Again, not exactly. Her name is on them all. But “Independent Woman, Pt. 1” was authored by Samuel J. Barnes and Jean Claude Olivier, tweaked by producer Cory Rooney and added to by …Beyonce. Olivier and Barnes also worked on constructing Jennifer Lopez’s “Jenny from the Block.”
“Say My Name,” a big Destiny’s Child hit, was written by Rodney Jerkins, his brother Freddie and Rodney’s writing partner LeShawn Daniels. The names of the four girls from the group were added again, so they could share in the collection of royalties.
There’s more: "Baby Boy" was based on a hit by reggae star Ini Kamoze called "Here Comes the Hot Stepper." "Naughty Girl" is merely a hefty sample of Donna Summer and Giorgio Moroder’s "Love to Love You Baby." "Bills Bills Bills" was written by singer/songwriter Kandi Burruss and producer Kevin Briggs. "Nasty Girl" and "Survivor" were the work of composer/producer Anthony Dent, who had to share credit with not only Beyonce but also her father, Matthew Knowles. "Bootylicious" is simply Stevie Nicks’s "Edge of Seventeen."
Nicks, following Sting’s lead from years ago with Diddy’s sample of "Every Breath You Take," did not allow Destiny’s Child or Beyonce to get any royalties at all. Rock on, Stevie!
In fact, not one of the songs listed under Beyonce’s name on the BMI Web site is written solely by her. They are usually credited to a list of songwriters. The list comprises the actual writers, and then a few people who’ve "tweaked" the song with a rap or by adding samples.
But this is the way it’s done in hip-hop and rap. "Writing" a song has new meaning. It means "licensing" the song from another writer. The word "composer" is not in the hip-hop dictionary.
This can make for a peculiar situation at the Grammy Awards. In 2000, Jerkins and his writing team had to share the Grammy for Best R&B Song for “Say My Name” with the members of Destiny’s Child because their names were on the credits.
In 2003, Beyonce, Harrison and Jay-Z won a couple of Grammys including Best R&B Song for “Crazy in Love.” Record’s name isn’t even listed on the Grammy Web site and he was the writer. Hopefully his widow is getting checks.
Over the weekend I discussed this phenomenon with a famous songwriter concerning rapper Nelly, whose albums — like Kanye West’s — are made up of samples of previous works. I thought they’d find the whole thing deplorable. Not so.
"Really?" they said, realizing the revenue that could be realized. "I’ll send him my whole catalogue for his next one!"
Otherwise, Vanity Fair’s annual music issue, as has been noted elsewhere, is an attempt to make up for not including African-Americans in years of previous issues. The magazine photographed nearly all of the most famous members of the hip-hop and rap community. Most of them fare very well, although Sean “Diddy” Combs probably regrets his portrait.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,172552,00.html
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Kola_boof
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I really like Beyonce...but she's only the first BEYONCE.
Neither she or Whitney will ever have a career like Diana Ross, Cher or Barbra Streisand had, and though I enjoyed watching Beyonce in "Dreamgirls", she was pathetic as Diana Ross. I keep hearing people say "she channeled Diana Ross"....I'm like WTF!!!
Diana Ross, above everything else, had a supreme INTELLIGENCE and a CUNNING mind and she was very COMPLEX---she was CONSCIOUS of every move she made image-wise----her intelligence while singing and performing is what made her a great actress and this is why even with a small velvety voice (one of the most distinctive sounding there was) she was able to be the biggest star of her era.
Whitney has the best voice, but NO VISION, no DRIVE, she doesn't want anything--she was just blessed with a great instrument and that intstrument took over her life. Whitney could have at least ended up as a new "Doris Day" if she hadn't gotten on drugs. She could have transitioned permanently to movies and could have done albums. I don't, however, see Whitney pulling off something as meaningful as "YENTL" or as well crafted as "Lady Sings the Blues" or as classic as "Cabaret" and "Funny Girl". Whitney's movies are more like modern soul versions of Doris Day flicks.
Beyonce does WANT IT, but she's not very smart, she's not cunning and she's not capable of being a "bit-ch" when it's necessary to be cunning, pushy and creative--as Bette Davis and Joan Crawford used to say, "A woman in Hollywood, at some point, HAS to be a bi-tch if she's going to have a 30, 40 year career"----like Whitney, Beyonce really needs somebody else to PUT HER TOGETHER. She and Whitney are singers, but they're not "artistic" (they don't have Diana Ross's glamour or showmanship--Diana, even without a hit record, oozes STAR MAGNETISM). And at heart, Beyonce is a sweet SPOILED girl--I'd say she's the new Ann Margaret and that's about it.
She won't know HOW to age in this biz, she'll gain weight and she'll peter out like Jennifer Lopez is doing.
In the old days, they had these incredibly smart women like Barbra Streisand, Diana Ross, Cher....none of the new super-girls (Beyonce, Whitney, Mariah, Janet) have matched their level of fame and accomplishment but rather each of them achieved the separate items that these women achieved. And to be honest...Madonna has come the closest to being like a Diana Ross or a Streisand. Madonna really did become an ICON and is an artist and "set the style" for her generation.
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*And for the record, I do not
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Kola_boof
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For instance, Diana Ross would NEVER have been stupid enough to star in "Dreamgirls" or ANY FILM that wasn't solely focused on her character.
I can't believe Beyonce does all these movies ("Goldmember", "Pink Panther", "Dreamgirls") where SHE isn't the star or heroine.
Her father is no Berry Gordy--but Diana would never have been stupid enough to allow herself to be presented as LESS THAN...a star.
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Kola_boof
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If her handlers were smart, they'd take an old Rita Hayworth musical and RE-FASHION it to star Beyonce.
She's not a talented actress, but she CAN BE a likeable, interesting leading lady in the same way Rita Hayworth and Ann Margaret and those types were hits. She'd be HOT AS SHIT in a remake of Hayworth's "GILDA" singing "Put the Blame on Mame".
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Renata
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She did a re-make of "Carmen Jones". I rented it, but I couldn't watch more than 25 minutes of it, it was so disgustingly dreadful and boring and the music SUCKED. |
Renata
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You are so RIGHT about the differences between those two. I think a part of it is that Diana Ross had the confidence to demand such roles. Today's stars have low self esteem.
It's like Ms. Ross said, "I'm going to be the star of this movie and people will come to see ME." Today's stars are more like, "I'm going to get a part in a movie and I hope people like me in it."
Roles that Beyonce played could have been played by just about anybody. Her role in "Goldmember" was basically the same role that Heather Graham played in Austin Powers a few years earlier, and also that British chick (who's name I don't know but she dated that Grant dude)...basically two untalented chicks not worth seeing. She may as well have gone to an open audition. Diana's roles seemed to have been written with just her in mind....first they wrote for Diana, and then figured out who else they may have wanted in it.
I can't think of any female stars today who have that mentality. Madonna did with "who's that girl", but that was years ago, and I've never seen any of her other movies. |
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I actually think a LOT of these newer stars really have better voices than some of the older ones....they just lack something extra that makes you want to be interested in them past their singing. And they lack confidence.
LOL.....and the ones who were so often called bitches were the ones who can still fill a concert hall in their 60's and beyond. Even with their great voices, a lot of today's stars probably won't work past 40-45.
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Tropical_storm
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I can't believe Beyonce does all these movies ("Goldmember", "Pink Panther", "Dreamgirls") where SHE isn't the star or heroine.
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She simply does not have the acting talent to pull it off. I don't think that she would be able to handle the critics. She will continue to play it safe. |
Serenasailor
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I agree with everything you said KB however, Beyonce has something that the other women don't have. And that is a "marketable" look. I don't mean to bring it back to this but Bey's features are not overwhelmingly "Black". That will help her in the long run seeing as how she is viewed by the larger society.
Even though Whitney and Diana were beautiful women no doubt. They were seen as beautiful "Black women". Bey because of her features doesn't have to undergo that "burden". I hate to bring in the "skin color politics" but that is the way it is.
Now Matthew Knowles is smart granted not Berry Gordy but he is still "good". Diana came of age during the "Black is Beautiful" era. So Blacks had a very different mentality during those days. For one they accepted looking at Black women in their natural hair. Which is something that now would never be acceptable today. Even in Black magazines. Berry Gordy and Diana capitalized on that.
Whitney Houston on the other hand was seen as glamorous but she was portrayed moreso as a "DIVA". Not so much as a "beauty". And she backed that up with a very strong, and beautiful voice. However, she was just a "DIVA" nothing more nothing less.
If Bey and her father are smart they would take a long, hard look at these women's career and learn from their mistakes and triumphed and capitalize on them.
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Robynmarie
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I don't understand why Beyonce doesn't just say, "I co-wrote or helped write or contributed to such and such song..." Now she sounds like a liar and a thief.
That said, I think Beyonce is in a whole other league than Diana Ross. DR was never much of a dancer and DR played Dorothy in "The Wiz" when she was way in her thirties!!! Bad move. Beyonce seems to be one contemporary black woman with a positive image around the world.
I can see Beyonce down the road with her own production company, with folks grinding out/buying scripts for just her. Or maybe Broadway.
As for Madonna. I never thought she had much of a voice, but she does get points for grunge and shock value.
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Robynmarie
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Regardless, it is still a double standard for black women of any hue. "Dreamgirls" would have been triple the hit it is if it was about three blondes from Detroit. |
Cynique
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Times have changed. Diana Ross is a has-been, Cher a relic, Barbra Streisand a Jewish mummy and Madonna a desperate housewife. Beyonce's is a product of her times; She's a video princess and her audiences don't know or care about any of these old school divas. All they require is a song with a hook and a video with a look. The days of the legends are over. Few pop artists will have longevity in the current show biz climate because they are overexposed by the media and the audiences are fickle and can be seduced by the next flava of the month. Beyonce is not an actress, she is an entertainer. She is not an icon, she's an idol whose converts can backslide at any time. She probably won't end up on the scrap heap like Whitney Houston but if she's lucky she can flicker away from the spotlight like Anita Baker and Toni Braxton. If she's reeeeeally lucky she can hang in there like Mariah Carey and Mary J. Blige. IMO |
Robynmarie
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^^^^^^^^^^
So true. The only thing that MIGHT separate Beyonce from the other singers is her father's relentless need for her to be in the spotlight.
Interesting take on Beyonce from NPR.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6710007
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Kola_boof
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Robynmarie,
At 35, Diana Ross had her own film production company ANAID FILMS--she won a TONY on Broadway for her one woman show(how old are you?)--that's right, a TONY on broadway, she was nominated for the Academey Award for BEST ACTRESS for "Lady Sings the Blues" and she starred in ALL her films---her name was ABOVE the title of the films.
During the 1970's, Diana Ross became the FIRST BLACK ACTRESS to be paid $1 million to star in a movie---she was also the first BANKABLE black actress, a feat neither Dorothy Dandridge or Lena Horne ever attained. Whereas Cicely Tyson was considered the "PRESTIGE" actress, Cicely's name could not get a film bankrolled--and let's not forget that the box office success of "Lady Sings the Blues" and "Mahogany" established Diana Ross as the #2 highest grossing actress of the 1970's (Jane Fonda and Barbra Streisand tied for #1).
Ross was featured in 19 ABC television Specials beginning with her first one in 1970. These are NOT GUEST APPEARANCES---but t.v. specials with titles like "DIANA" (1971), "An Evening With Diana Ross" (1977), "Diana Ross Upside Down" (1982).
Diana Ross is also listed in the CURRENT Guiness Book of World Records as the most successful female singer of all time WORLDWIDE--if you count her hits with the SUPREMES (she sang lead on every song) and her #1 hits with Lionel Richie and The Temptations, 1 each---DIANA ROSS scored 18 #1 hits and had a TOP TEN POP hit every single year from 1964 to 1984.
That's a Top Ten Pop Hit...EVERY YEAR...for 20 Years Straight--check 'em
She hit the R&B chart until 1995.
What other female artist in music has had a 50 year career (40 years of it ON TOP)? Her only contemporary is Barbra Streisand.
These girls today are NOT STARS in the real since the word. This is like trying to compare Sally Field or Jessica Lange to Bette Davis.
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Kola_boof
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Serena, Diana Ross was NEVER BIG WITH THE BLACK COMMUNITY!
She wasn't like Aretha Franklin, Gladys and Patti.
WHITE PEOPLE "in general" made ROSS into an icon, she was a GLAMOUR STAR like a Josephine Baker type and that was her chief and largest audience----which is the reason that Black folks never much cared for her.
They supported her a helluva lot more than they do Beyonce.
And back in the 1970's, Black People used to call Diana Ross "The Black White Girl"---you just have no idea.
The fact that "DREAMGIRLS" is based on the life of Diana Ross is testament to how a big a star she was. I don't expect to see a film about Beyonce's life made--because she's not that interesting.
I wish someone in here older than I am would educate these people on how the HUGENESS of stars like Barbra Streisand and Diana Ross compared to these kids today. These are NOT big stars, I'm sorry.
Like I said--and not speaking of Madonna's "talent", I'm speaking of her HUGENESS as an international star--she's the only one who can be mentioned in the same breath with Ross, Streisand and Cher.
Beyonce has a long way to go.
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Cynique
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Unlike Beyonce, Diana Ross or The Supremes never won a Grammy. And it's sign of the changing times that the current youth-oriented culture is not impressed with yesterday's legends or an out-dated definition of what a "star" is unless dead rappers are the subject. Sad by significant. Go out into the street and ask 20-somethings who Bette Davis was and they will have to stop and think before coming up with an answer which will be vague in its context. And as the saying goes, singers are only as good as their last album, something Janet Jackson can testify to. If you want to talk about longevity, that incomparable "diva" Prince and his enduring popularity and universal appeal is who should be held up as an example. Aretha and Patti have stood the test of time but Diana Ross' star has dimmed and her past reputation has no big imact except maybe in the gay community. But she does have a new album coming out, so maybe she'll regain some of her past glory. These are the observations of a someone older than kola.
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Kola_boof
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Cynique, I would argue that the film "DREAMGIRLS" is based on the life of Diana Ross and is all the rage right now.
Every young person that walks by me is talking about "You know Beyonce's character is supposed to be Diana Ross".
If you go to YOUTUBE, Cynique---you will see KIDS by the hundreds posting comments underneath old videos of Diana Ross and the Supremes. On Beyonce's own web sites, "kids" are posting COMPARISON photos of Diana Ross and Beyonce. What do you say about that?
I'm not arguing that any of the OLD STARS are still in vogue today---but PRINCE has not had a career AS LONG as Diana Ross, and he was never ON TOP for as long as she reigned---Ross had #1 hits in the 1960's, 1970's, 1980's and even 1 in the 1990's. Where is PRINCE comparable, Cynique?
The original question of this thread asked---IS BEYONCE THE NEW DIANA ROSS?
And my argument remains that STARS TODAY are not having the careers that stars had back yesterday. Truth be told---Beyonce is not even as big as Whitney Houston was during the BODYGUARD/WAITING TO EXHALE years.
As I said in the beginning, I really like Beyonce--I love her voice and I like her style and accent, she's a great entertainer.
But Beyonce's audiences are much smaller and more contained than someone like ROSS who sang "Theme from Mahogany" on THE OSCARS---live via satellite from Holland.
Beyonce is not on that level and you know it, Cynique.
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Cynique
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I never said Beyonce is on the level with Diana Ross and actually I don't think they are comparable. Beyonce is a perfomer and Diana a vocalist and as I keep emphasizing, times have changed. Would Beyonce have been a star back in the 60s? Who knows? Is Diana a star today. Not really. She's the mother of TV actress, Tracie Ross. Incidentally, Mary Wilson says "Dream Girls" is not an accurate recreation of The Supremes' story, and that the timid character played by Beyonce bears little resemblance to the self-absorbed overbearing Diana. And Princes's 25-year career run is quite remarkable. Did any album of Diana Ross' ever sell 12+ million like "Purple Rain" did? Can Diana still sell out a stadium like Prince can? Is she performing in Las Vegas still pulling in the crowds like Prince is doing? Huh? |
Abm
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Robinmarie,
There are blond White women in DEEtroit?
WHERE? |
Kola_boof
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ABM,
Happy MLK Day, bro-ham.
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Kola_boof
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...and MADONNA is from Detroit.
Eminem too.
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Abm
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Kola,
Happy MLK Day to you too, babe.
I was referring to WOMEN, though I guess with respect to Madonna I should have included NATURALLY blond, huh?
Hahahahaha!!! |
Kola_boof
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I got you, ABM....as I don't see a "blonde" girl group ever coming from Detroit.
We should keep in mind though that the MOST FAMOUS BLONDES---Monroe, Harlow, etc.---were all really brunettes.
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Fortified
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She's like Diana Ross alright: mediocre talent with overblown hype to match. Beyonce's more attractive by far, though.
Happy MLK Day, Everyone! |
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My nieces have no idea who Dianna Ross is. NONE. Tracy Ross, the sistah from "girlfriends," got her start just like everyone else, as far as they're concerned. And I can't even blame them cuz I don't even know that much about Ross. NOBODY knows who Dianna is; we barely know who she was.
But we all know who Barbra Streisand is/was. How she and Dianna can be mentioned in the same breath is beyond many, I'm sure. |
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Now that I live in Houston, its funny to see how these folks act about Beyonce. EVERY where you go she is either on TV the radio etc. Its all good.
LiLi..who is going to make a trip over to that House of Deron I think I saw and ask for a J O B |
Abm
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Kola,
Yeah. MOST famous blonds garnered their blondness via the bottle. |
Kola_boof
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My nieces have no idea who Dianna Ross is. NONE. Tracy Ross, the sistah from "girlfriends," got her start just like everyone else, as far as they're concerned. And I can't even blame them cuz I don't even know that much about Ross. NOBODY knows who Dianna is; we barely know who she was.
But we all know who Barbra Streisand is/was. How she and Dianna can be mentioned in the same breath is beyond many, I'm sure.
You're not a HISTORIAN like I am, so I'm not surprised that you wouldn't know anything about Ross---and her name is spelled DIANA not "Dianna".
My own nieces have seen the films "MAHOGANY" and "THE WIZ" and they because of THE JACKSON 5 story they at least know who Ross was.
And let me state...that I speak on this thread from a HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE--one that can EASILY be looked up---not from any personal like or dislike of any of the women being discussed.
Like I said from a personal perspective, Beyonce is more reminiscent of Ann Margret than she is of Ross--and she wasn't convincing as Diana Ross, because Beyonce basically played herself--dumb and sweet.
It's also pretty common knowledge among all film/music historians that Diana Ross is most certainly in a league with Barbra Streisand and Cher---as those were the 3 biggest SINGER/FILM STARS of the 1960's/70's era---Diana Ross, of course, ruling the music charts much bigger than either Streisand or Cher, because her music was considered "hipper".
Uneducated "laymen" in the streets may not realize it, but Ross's stature is firmly and unquestionably on the SUPER A-List of women DIVAS, and as many are quick to point out---she actually was the most "DIVA diva" of them all.
As for my own musical tastes
--I really like Aretha Franklin, Chaka Khan, Dionne Warwick, Olivia Newton John, Bessie Smith, Natalie Cole, Stephanie Mills, Bette Midler, Cassandra Wilson, Bilie Holiday, Gladys Knight and LOVE ME some Barbra Steisand....but I'm not about to deny who ROSS was.
After all...they made a $70 million movie about Ross and she holds the place in the GUINNESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS as the most successful female singing act of all time.
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Oh--I forgot to mention that I do like Diana Ross's old hits, nobody else sounds like her and I think she had a velvety smooth very beautiful voice---I also thought she was robbed of her Oscar for "Lady Sings the Blues" and she was outstanding in "Mahogany"---to me she was a better movie actress than singer.
It's just that musically--I prefer the Chaka Khan, Aretha Franklin, Gladys Knight type singers.
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Last I checked this board was open to everyone including non-historians and laypeople...infact the most intelligent answer on this thread was given by a non-historian, a layperson: Dianna's longevity HASN'T stood the test of time.
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Tonya, I don't think you're all that intelligent--not by a longshot.
If you were...then your "personal bullshit" against both Ross and Myself wouldn't keep you from addressing the real question.
THE QUESTION SERENA ASKED WAS: Is Beyonce the New Diana Ross?
The question was not---is Diana Ross a conniving bi-tch who doesn't deserve her props?
I answered the above question and gave EXAMPLES as to how I reached my conclusions.
Everybody on this board is welcome to post their opinions--I'm the last one who cares about who posts on this board--but you stated that you didn't know much about Ross's achievements, and you're right, you don't.
I'm actually into Jennifer Hudson right now and could give a shit about Beyonce OR Diana Ross--I was just trying to answer the question asked and contemplate the SCHEME OF THINGS when it comes to making a star...a star.
MY GIRL, JENNIFER HUDSON
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Regardless of what the original question was: 1) do we EVER stick to the original question around here? And (2) am I NOT suppose to enter a discussion that you started because you and I don't get along? This is a public forum. We're adults. It doesn't work that way. Sorry.
then your "personal bullshit" against both Ross and Myself...
I don't even know Dianna, or YOU for that matter, my opinions on this topic are not "personal" against anybody. And prey tell how this discussion about Dianna Beyonce & co, end up being about YOU anyway. ...It's all in your mind, dear.
"Tonya, I don't think you're all that intelligent--not by a longshot.
Right back atchu. Btw, am I supposed to care? Get real. |
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Tonya, OK.
You're right and I'm wrong. I apologize.
God bless.
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Tonya
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Nobody's right or wrong. We're not seeing eye-to-eye right now; that's all.
(...except for J. Hudson, she's my girl too.) |
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Well, since you're going to be nice Tonya--then I have a confession to make:
I DO think you're intelligent.
I was just saying that other stuff to be shitty.
I've "patched" together my own Jennifer Hudson CD by ordering songs from I-Tunes and it's the only CD I've been listening to for a week! This GIRL has "superstar" written all over her.
SPECIAL ADVANCE SCOOP:
Nobody knows this yet...but Jennifer Hudson is going to play the wife of Jackie Robinson in the bio-pic by Thomas Carter about Robinson's life.
It's a non-singing, very dramatic role and Jennifer was told that if she lost 15 pounds the part was hers----she DID and she's been cast.
GO JENNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jackie Robinson was a legendary baseball player and Thomas Carter is directing on a $22 million budget. I'm not sure who will play Robinson--but Vin Diesel has "screen tested" for the role (I, personally, don't think he's right for the part).
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Abm
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Kola,
Who the hell allowed Vin Diesel to screen test to portray Jackie Robinson?
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Kola_boof
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ABM...my sentiments exactly.
It was Thomas Carter---the afro wearing CHOCOLATE brother who gave you "Save the Last Dance".
In fact, he wants Diesel because of the "box office" possibilities, but Robinson's family has intervened and Spike Lee has threatened to damn the movie.
Sadly, if there were the Wilma Rudolph story and Vanessa Williams was cast, I don't think there would be much of an outcry.
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JENNIFER HUDSON BRINGS HOME THE GOLD!
She won the Golden Globe Award tonight for Best Supporting Actress in Dreamgirls. |
Kola_boof
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Also ABM, I was talking to a producer a few weeks ago (totally unrelated to this)---he's black with white looking sons---and he says that he wants to cast lighter men so that his sons will have "images" to relate to. I thought that was interesting.
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YIPPPEEE!!
The OSCAR is next!!
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I guess I must be in the minority who is not impressed with her remake of "I am Telling You"...I defintely prefer Jennifer Holiday's performance. |
Abm
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BB123,
I'm not as impressed with it either. Though I'm not slighting Hudson as much as I'm acknowledging how truly ASCENDANT Holiday's performance was and still is.
I think the only living people who probably could have song I Am Telling You as good as Holiday are youthful Chaka Khan and Melba Moore. |
Abm
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Kola,
That must be why I see some many biracial(looking) guys on TV Shows and commercials, lately. |
Cynique
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I can't believe that I agree with Brownbeauty. Yvette also has said that she preferred Jennifer Holiday's version of "And I Am Telling You." |
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I keep warning black people, ABM, where this is going....around 2020, there's going to be a major revolt in the so called "black community" once the "blacks" can no longer deny exactly what the SYSTEM of things is.
Because it's primarily effected black women so far, there has been little rebellion--but in time, Black men are going to come face to face with the monster they are creating (and I'm not discounting black women's contribution ABM, I'm merely pointing out that the most vocal against this system are black women such as the ones who made the 7 minute film about the "Black Kids Choose White Dolls", while MOST BM deny it's happening or is real).
Me being a North African, I go to bed queezy and sick already knowing what's taking place---but no one will listen to me.
Self-hate is like a BOOMERANG with razors on it. It's a domino effect. I just feel so helpless in this country.
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I think everybody prefers Jennifer Holliday's version of "And I Am Telling You"----no one will ever top her----but Jennifer Hudson has created it for a new generation and for the big screen, and millions of young people never heard the original, to them, Hudson is the first.
What can't be denied is that Jennifer Hudson is MAJOR vocal talent and she's a breath of fresh air after so much Ciara and video hoochie crap.
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ABM,
in the theater, I really could not hear her singing because people kept on clapping and cheering throughout the performance (from the beginning to end) before it was even finished. It was like everybody was just jumping on the "standing ovation" train.
Lately, they have been playing it on local radio stations, and frankly--it sounds HORRIBLE to me. She put effort into it, but at the same time it was obvious that she was struggling to hit those notes, and wretched the damn song. |
Tonya
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Abm, BB, Cynnique, I don’t think ANYBODY can do “I’m Telling You” as well as holiday. Jhud is probably the best at it out of today’s young artists though.
Kola,
Jackie Robinson
Vin Diesel
You gotta be kidding!!
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HUDSON BRINGS HOME THE GOLD!
That’s What’s Up!!!! |
Tonya
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Jackie Robinson
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Kola_boof
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No, I'm not kidding.
Vin Diesel tried to get a film made about Joe Louis with himself as the star, but it fell through and now he's tested for Jackie Robinson. I hope he doesn't get the part
...but Jennifer Hudson has been cast as the wife, and the script has some really meaty scenes for her to play.
I really like that Jennifer's going for NON-singing acting roles in big films, because that will solidify her and it's just plain SMART in case her records don't sell.
She can always be a dramatic actress.
I wish BEYONCE had not been stupid enough to take this role in "DREAMGIRLS"-----PRINCE just won the Golden Globe for "Best Song in a Movie" for "Happy Feet"----beating BEYONCE (who helped write "Listen").
Jennifer Hudson dedicated her award to Florence Ballard---which now makes people emotional and everybody hates Beyonce already for being beautiful and popular.
I just hate that BEYONCE hasn't been cast in the right role that can help her career---Rita Hayworth was no better an actress than Beyonce and she was a major star, because they knew what to do with her. BEYONCE needs the right vehicles---"DREAMGIRLS" was a huge mistake, because the film is written slanted towards to Effie. I don't know how her father let her sign to play in that movie.
BEYONCE's father is giving her terrible management!
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Cynique
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Who would be a good actor to play Jackie? Vin Diesel is certainly a horrible choice. Jackie was stocky and not real tall. Maybe if Chris Rock put on some weight he could take stab at serious acting and portray Robinson. |
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"It's just that musically--I prefer the Chaka Khan, Aretha Franklin, Gladys Knight type singers."
Ditto.......
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Serenasailor
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I know that Black ppl made Diana Ross an icon they also made Whitney Houston one as well. However, Diana was seen as a beautiful "Black Woman". That was there "drawback". What also helped Diana was that she was willing to sleep with any and every rich white man that "crossed her path".
She was not seen as that opitome of "Black Beauty" though. She was a "beautiful Black women". Beyonce however is seen as the epitome of "Black beauty". I don't think it is right but that is the way it is. |
Cynique
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If anybody cares, Eddie Murphy won for best supporting actor in a musical and Forest Whitaker for best actor in a dramatic movie and Prince for best song in the animated movie "Happy Feet." As for Jennifer, I don't think she's leading lady material. She more of a character actress. |
Mzuri
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I mentioned Prince's award.
Bette Midler was a character actress who played LEAD because she was a star.
If Jennifer's upcoming album is a smash hit and she has these two strong supporting roles under her belt (Dreamgirls, Jackie Robinson Story), plus the OSCAR----then she could probably become a movie star provided she lucks into the right starring role.
I agree with those who are saying she should play Aretha Franklin.
There were several moments in "Dreamgirls" where she really did remind me of Aretha Franklin--when she sang "Loves You I Do" and "I Am Changing".
Of course, she could star in my movie about black witches in Virginia.
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Tonya
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Chris Rock is probably a good choice for Jackie Robinson; I agree Cynnique.
Kola said at 10:57:
"I think everybody prefers Jennifer Holliday's version of "And I Am Telling You..."
Tonya said at 11:13:
"I don’t think ANYBODY can do “I’m Telling You” as well as holiday."
LMAO
And I didn't even see yours before I posted that. …too busy looking for photos! |
Mzuri
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I think it should be someone like Michael Jai White (remember him as Mike Tyson???)
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Tonya
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I've never seen him before but GODDAMN he looks GOOD!!
He can play ANYBODY as far as I'm concerned!
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Abm
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Jackie Robinson was a great GREAT athlete. He had ASTOUNDING physical talents and skills. I mean, here's a man who became a hall of famer at his FOURTH best sport (He was a BETTER at Football, Basketball and Track than he was at Baseball).
There's nowayinDEEHELL a punya$$, goofball Chris Rock should portray him. That would be frickin' RIDICULOUS! |
Mzuri
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T - You've probably seen him but just didn't notice him. He's gorgeous. Check out his photo gallery and drool. LOL!!!
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0925227
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Vin Diesel playing Jackie Robinson? Please tell me you are lying?!?!?!
I would prefer either:
Leonard Roberts
Keith Robinson
Henry Simmons
D.B. Woodside
Any of those brothas would do the role some justice. Vin can't act for shit. He sounds and looks retarded.
Congrats Jennifer, Eddie and Forrest!
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Tonya
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Mzuri said: "Check out his photo gallery and drool. LOL!!!"
(Tonya: Drying her panties PLEADING stop...lololololol!!!)
Abm,
who WOULD you pick? |
Abm
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Tonya,
I don't have a surefire pick. But I think he'd have to look and move like a REAL athlete WHILE appearing a very intelligent and composed person.
See. Jackie was not only a great athlete, he was a scholarly man. And a military officer. So you're talking about uniquely talented man.
Perhap Morris Chestnut can be made to look the part, though I'm unsure of his ability to affect the presense and character of Jackie.
Were he fit and 10 years younger, Andre Braugher would be my pick. |
Nels
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Jennifer Hudson --
Another wannabee. |
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OMG there is much I want to respond to in this thread...last first....
what about Derek Luke as JR?
Yes, I do care that Eddie won GG. I think he did a great job.
I said "if there were blondes in Detroit." It's a hypothetical. pfff...
Yes, Diana Ross is a legend, but I don't think she and Beyonce are even in the same category of entertainment. I compare Beyonce to Aaliyah or Left Eye or MJB. |
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Abm --
"That must be why I see so many biracial(looking) guys on TV Shows and commercials, lately."
The truth is, biracial looking men have been virtually locked out of the commercial TV advertising market for a long time. However, the tide is turning. They've conquered mainstream news anchoring and acting, politics and more, so its only a matter of time before they assume the last throne. Ironically, they and their equivalent light(er)-skinned counterparts (for lack of a better reference) have dominated Washington and the military hierarchy for years. So, where is the next "intra-racial" battleground? Hmmmm... |
Ntfs_encryption
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"There's nowayinDEEHELL a punya$$, goofball Chris Rock should portray him. That would be frickin' RIDICULOUS!"
LMAO..!!!! Bro ABM, when I first read that, I knew it was a joke! But it's nice to see you comment about the absurdity. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
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Vin Diesel has a sexy voice. He should do radio and keep that face off camera. |
Abm
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Ntfs,
I couldn't let THAT one roll on by without commenting, bruh. I mean, how the hell you gon' mess over the great JACKIE ROBINSON like THAT? |
Abm
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Robynmarie,
The comment about "blond White women in DEEtroit" was a joke.
I'd have to pass on Derek Luke portraying Jackie Robinson. Just ain't quite seasoned enuff. |
Brownbeauty123
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Back on topic,
Beyonce said that she wants to be the first BLACK woman to win a Tony, Oscar and a Grammy...does she not realized that this has alraedy been accomplished...
Emmy: 2002 : Outstanding Special Class Special, Beyond Tara: The Extraordinary Life of Hattie McDaniel (Host)
Grammy: 1985 : Best Comedy Recording, Whoopi Goldberg--Original Broadway Show Recording
Oscar: 1990 : Best Supporting Actress, Ghost
Tony: 2002 : Best Musical, Thoroughly Modern Millie (Co-Producer)
by Whoopi Goldberg..
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Abm
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BB123,
You HONESTLY think Beyonce studies and keeps current on entertainment awards trivia? |
Brownbeauty123
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Beyonce at Golden Globes
She's going to make the best of the red carpet even though she didn't win |
Abm
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BB123,
Did she INTENTIONALLY do that?
*Ugh* |
Brownbeauty123
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LOL
That's what it looks like.
Beyonce has gotten really cocky lately.
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Americansista
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LOL. Does Beyonce have a brain in her head or does Matty Knowles control her with some sort of electronic device?
The hell would make her do such a cheesy, cliche of a pose?
LOLOLOLOL! |
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Here is Jennifer's acceptance speech
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She looks like she gotta pee! |
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Americansista,
Thank providing what I was struggling to come up with. "Cheesy" is EXACTLY how I would describe Beyonce's look there.
WTF was she THINKING?
U_S,
Yeah. It does kinda look like that.
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Probably the photographers asked her to strike that pose.
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Shit....she should have stayed home if she was going to pose like that. |
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As far as Jackie Robonson goes, NTFS, I was going for somebody who looks like him. I said if Chris Rock bulked up, taking on the role might be a challenge for him. Any actor will have to immerse themselves in Jackie's persona. He was a very feisty competitor on the field as well as in the military where he was court-martialed for striking an officer. He was a tortured soul at the beginning of his baseball career because he had to repress his rage at the racism he had to endure. He was also a staunch Republican before he was seduced by the Kennedys. |
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LMAO. I think Beyonce looked great, befittingly attired as golden girl, her pose reminscent of the glamorous stars of bygone days. BTW, "the fashion police" loved her outfit. |
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The pose is definitely tacky! And though I think she is incredibly beautiful, she seems to be heading to that strange place in most celebs careers where they either mellow out (in a positive way) but keep their star status or fizzle from being over-exposed. Unfortunately, I think it's the latter. |
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And --now more than ever, I've been hearing this young beauty has killer breath! Say it isn't so?! LMAO! |
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Love, Love, LOVE Jackie Robinson!
Here's a little something from his biography. My son wrote a report on Jackie Robinson last year for English class, and I helped him research it:
After leaving UCLA his senior year, Robinson enlisted in the U.S. Army during World War II. He was assigned to the U.S. 761st Tank Battalion, an all black battalion. While initially refused admission to Officer Candidate School, he fought for it and eventually was accepted and, upon graduation, was commissioned as a second lieutenant and branched Armor. While training in the Army at Fort Hood, Texas, Robinson refused to go to the back of a public bus. He was court-martialed for insubordination, thus he never made it to Europe with his unit. He later received an honorable discharge in 1944, after being acquitted of all charges at the court-martial.
I sure hope whoever plays the role is a strong actor who can really capture Mr. Robinson's essence. And it would be nice if the actor has some resemblance to Robinson to lend more realism to the role. Diesel playing Robinson is like Janet Jackson playing Lena Horne. I just don't see it.
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Beyonce in all of her golden glory is standing the way Marilyn Monroe used to pose. And her killer breath apparently hasn't driven Jay-Z away; he was right there with her at the awards ceremony. Seems like Beyonce is becoming the victim of a backlash so naturally I will take the unpopular position of defending her. Nobody said anything about how ol plodding Jennifer Hudson looked like a stuffed sausage LMAO. |
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If Beyonce has bad breath I doubt if it's due to lack of cleanliness. More likely empty stomach halitosis cuz some of these women don't eat properly, starving themselves in order to maintain an ideal body weight.
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Oh, Lord:
From Monsters and Critics.com
People News
Jennifer Hudson thanks everyone but Beyoncé
By Stone Martindale
Jan 16, 2007, 16:00 GMT
Golden Globes winner Jennifer Hudson has given high marks and praise for her launch on "American Idol" and tells the foreign press she's proud of the time she spent on the reality TV show.
Hudson won Best Supporting Actress at last night's Golden Globe awards for her portrayal of Effie White in Dreamgirls, despite her coming in seventh in the 2004 series of American Idol. Hudson tells the press corps post Globes it enabled her to retire from working on a Walt Disney cruise liner.
She says, "I think I was on the right track for my singing career before American Idol, but 'Idol' did help speed my career along. I didn't think things could get any bigger or busier than when I was on Idol, but it has.
"American Idol is part of my history, and I'm proud of it. It's helped me establish myself as a true artist. Now it's up to me to further my career on my own."
Defamer neatly summarized the Hudson Golden Globes acceptance speech, noting Hudson thanked "her director, then God, recognizing the accepted Hollywood order of who wields the most power on a movie set. Number of co-stars thanked by name: zero."
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What should she thank Beyoncé for??? |
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To appear gracious, Jennifer should've thanked her co-stars because this ensemble cast all contributed to the success of the movie. To not do so, seemed petty and she passed up a chance to one-up Beyonce. The expression on Jamie Foxx's face after Jennifer finished her acceptance speech said it all. He appeared miffed. But, that's show biz. |
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Some things are better left unsaid. I think it was better for her not to mention Beyoncé’s name while winning this award - it could have seemed sort of tacky. It may have come across like she was bragging, you never know. And thanking her co-stars without naming names could have easily amounted to the same. |
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She thanked her nameless boyfriend though. Which was tacky tacky tacky in my opinion. What in the world did the boyfriend contribute? Maybe Beyonce gave her companionship. Beauty tips. Weave hair. LOLOLOL!!!
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....or taught her how to pose, lololololol!! |
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...or taught her how to chew on a breath mint. |
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How does Jay put up with that? |
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Its funny to me when people talk about Beyonce not "looking black" and being "more marketable." She looks nothing but black to me. She looks like a light-skinned - but still obviously black - black woman. And when she opens her mouth to talk, she sounds like an uneducated, country black woman. Her body is very much a black woman's body and her facial features are very much a black woman's features. The only non-black thing about her is her hair - and we all know that that ain't HER own hair anyhow....
I think Beyonce is sexy and luscious. But I think there's a 99.9% chance that when she hits 30, or shortly thereafter, that nice thickness is gonna turn into fat and flab and all the weird diets and treadmill in the world will not be able to get Bey slim. She has that fat gene. At 35 she will be all double chin, flab and crazy blonde hair weave. And she'll still be warbling away while her flab shakes and bounces. |
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Big Bey does an Atkins type low carb diet. That often makes people's breath stink. Something to do with ketones. I'm doing a low carb thing right now to lose Holidays weight and my breath is not as fresh as it was when I was piling on the carbs. |
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Lola --
"Her body is very much a black woman's body and her facial features are very much a black woman's features."
Based on and according to what "valid" scientific standard? Get as technical as you want in your reply. We're all listening and waiting for your next "gem of wisdom and/or pearl of thought". The stage is all yours. |
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Yawn. So you disagree with me - that's fine. No need for drama. |
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Lola,
Funny. One of the things that stood out to me when I watched Dreamgirls was how much blacker Beyonce appeared when they showed close-up shots of her face than she usually does in the media.
And she looked GORGEOUS when they put the black (or was it darkbrown) body paint all over her. |
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I love Beyonce and I'm so sad that she took this role, because it's just plain bad business, a bad career move--this film will be watched and re-watched forever and it's not the way that a STAR should allow herself to be shown.
What a shame.
And despite so many of us dumping our "social issues" on Beyonce and despising her for what she represents (the blond hair, etc.--notice how she looked BLACK during the first half of Dreamgirls)....she really is very innocent and sweet and just wants what every other American girl wants---to be famous and have everyone love her. That's not evil or even corrupt.
I wish people would stop demonizing her.
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I agree...Jennifer Hudson doesn't owe Beyonce any "mentions" during her acceptance speech.
I don't even know why they're tripping like that.
One thing I love about Jennifer---she's no fool.
She really "gets" the machine and she's hitting all her marks (seeking the right roles, giving sensible realistic speeches, looking gorgeous and presenting herself as the meek underdog. WELL DONE, Jennifer.)
I wish Beyonce would understand how to sell herself to "women" and gays. That's where the LONGEVITY comes in, because "men/boys" will be into a new sexpot before you can say "destiny".
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Kola,
What does Beyonce have to sell to chicks and queers?
Wigs, sequin dresses and make-up tips? |
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"As far as Jackie Robonson goes, NTFS, I was going for somebody who looks like him. I said if Chris Rock bulked up, taking on the role might be a challenge for him."
Can't see it Ms. Cynique. Not Chris Rock. I feel there are many other brothers who would make a more believable Jackie Robinson than Chris Rock. If you recall, Wesley Snipes was supposed to play Miles Davis. Never happened but I really, really looked forward to him playing the role.
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Ntfs,
There's a SERIOUS cinematic producer would make a film about Jackie Robinson starting a fraila$$deded Chris Rock.
But like you I would have liked to see Wesley (or better yet, Don Cheadle) portray Miles Davis. |
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Well, NTFS, there was a lot of skepticism about Diana Ross playing Billie Holiday and she pulled it off. Jackie was husky but he wasn't that tall. I'm not overly-enthused about the idea of puny Chris playing Jackie but he is bankable and he could certainly draw from his own experiences growing up and being bused to hostile white schools in order to achieve integration. |
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