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Dahomeyahosi
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Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 07:03 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi all,

Interested in finding out your opinions on the newly inaugurated (sp) president of Liberia. I'm well aware of the fact that pre-colonized (Arab and Eurso) had female rulers but this is certainly the first one post-colonization and I'm ecstatic about that. On the other hand I am aware that she is Americo-Liberian which, it seems, would only fuel the ethnic problems that have gone on there since the "birth" of the country . Ok to be honest I would've prefered her to be indigenous but I won't complain too loudly. What are your opinions ?
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Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 07:14 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was for George Weah, but...

Congratulations to her and much success.

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Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 08:38 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Interesting. Only thing I know about Weah is that he was a soccer player. I'm glad he conceded defeat....it was the responsible thing to do.
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Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 08:54 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

i just hope she proves me wrong because i don't trust her ONE BIT!!!!
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Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 09:37 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I can't say that I know enough about her or her politics, but I really hope she does a good job.

Her granddaughters live in the Atlanta area. They seemed so flaky (but they are teens, so I won't be so hard on them).

When they were asked what's the best thing about their grandmother being president, they said that maybe they can someday meet Prince William.

Their grandmother just made history by being the first female president in the new era in ALL OF AFRICA, making an example for millions of women there and abroad that their dreams are attainable ... and they're dreaming about some white guy...a prince, yeah. But what their grandmother has done is so much bigger than meeting a prince. But again, their teens, so...
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Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 04:17 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Eyona why don't you trust her? I know that she has a shady history because she certainly isn't new to Liberian government and when did Liberia ever have good leadership? But I don't have many details.
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Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 04:52 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A lot of Liberians don't trust her because she is part of the "Mulatto Upper Class" that established the country and enslaved the natives when the U.S. created Liberia as a "new home" for African American slaves to return to.

The mulattoes were finally overthrown or bred out during the 1960s.

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Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 05:01 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If Sirleaf is apart of the "Mulatto Upper Class" that has been "overthrown or bred out" since the 1960's, why were she elected president?
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Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 05:07 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Obviously half the country doesn't hold it against her (as has been reported) and the other half is "right wing conservative". Make sense?

Eyona is from Liberia and even Kola was for the male candidate. I await Eyona's input.







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Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 05:46 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It doesn't matter if she is a descendant of Black Americans who went to Liberia. She is black and as long as she does the right thing for ALL Liberians is what matters. I don't mean to sound rude but some Africans can be so damn tribal. If she can do a better job than an indegenous Liberian then so be it. At least give her a chance.
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Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 10:32 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BlkamericanKing you definitely have no idea what you are talking about...... do u know how long those so-called americo-liberian people ruled liberia for?......... from 1847 to 1980 and than they brought war from 1990 to present....... i don't trust ellen because she was part of the war started by charles taylor who killed 250,000 liberians........the indegenous liberians only took power in 1980 and did better ....... the ruling class have always being those ex-slave people..... u really need to read liberian history before you talk about african people being tribal...........those so-called americo-liberian people never consider liberia their home they enslaved, segregated and denied those indegenous liberians their human rights for so many years.... their mind and hearts was always on america that was why they refused to develop liberia but instead they stole all the resources and brought it right back to america. trust me ....... even ellen know she didn't win that election but some how she is the president because some higher authority thought she was the better candidate........ she was more educated and she had more experiences........ we are willing to compromise to what ever because we are perplexed and exhausted, OUR MOTHERS DIED, OUR FATHERS DIED, OUR FRIENDS DIED, OUR CHILDREn DIED, OUR BROTHERS DIED AND OUR SISTERS DIED............ i just hope her presidency is CANDID as she say it will be..............
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Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 11:34 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Eyona,

Thank you for sharing that sister. Well, I am sure those Americo-Liberian leaders were nothing but puppets for America, just like SOME indegenous African leaders are today. Africa has at least 50% of the WORLD'S NATURAL RESOURCES. The wars that took place in Liberia and other African nations has nothing to do with America-Liberians or indegenous African leaders. America and European powers are controlling all African leaders. Let's stop looking at ourselves as Americo-Liberian or indegenous African, cause we are all black people. Let's work together to build a powerful Africa.
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 12:14 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

well i know the war that happend in liberia had every thing to do with those so- called americo libeians they started it....... let stop looking at ourselves as Americo-Liberians>>>>> well tell that to those self hating ex-slave people because i find that very stupid why people are holding on to some meaningless nonsense that happend over 400 years ago. africa is a sad case because of people who doesn't value it, who doesn't love it...........
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 07:38 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Blkamericanking I think black Americans have an idea of race as the great uniter because that has been your experience....you have been grouped with other black Americans (some with minimal African ancestry) by whites and had to stick together to get things done. That has not been the case in West Africa where ethnicity where, imho, ethnicity is much more important than race. We have very long standing divisions along these lines that existed long before Arabs and whites showed up. You can not use the American lens to look at the whole world.
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2006 - 07:42 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Eyona I hear you saying that Weah had legitimate claims when he said that the election was fixed. Sirleaf definitely has American support. If that is the case then her rule has started off very much on the wrong foot which is a shame.
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 12:47 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dahomeyahosi,

I understand what you are saying when you talk about ethnicity in West Africa. But Brotha, u must understand, with all of that ethnic division, Africans will never be able to gain control their own continent and the resources on that continent. Black people have suffered all over the world, at the hands of white people. The average Black American sees ALL black people as ONE. Your struggle is our struggle and our struggle is your struggle. Africans need to wake up and stop all of the ethnic BS.
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Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 03:58 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I suppose ideally all people would be one but I'm honestly more concerned with preserving African cultures than the "black" race. An amorphous black race devoid of culture is not something I'm interested in. What difference does it make if blacks hold power if those black people are culturally Arab or European? Does skin color have that hold on Americans? I don't understand this mindset but it seems prevalent amongst Americans and many Africans as well. I'd rather stand in solidarity with a person who is non-black but culturally West African than someone who is black but culturally western.

My ethnicity, rather than my race, is of utmost importance. I think it's very possible and also very necessary to have a multi-cultural West Africa where people respect one another and I also think that is consistent with traditional West African ways (my parents say there were no large scale bloodbaths when people understood who they were).

The senseless killing, maiming, and dictatorial styles of government are a result of self-hate which is now self-perpetuated unaided by whites. A return to the traditional things that make sense is therefore necessary to overcome this self hate. I don't believe people don't go out indiscriminately killing people who look like them (while carefully sparing those who don't) unless they hate themselves. So in a way I believe it it "tribalism" that will get us where we need to be in West Africa. But only the sort of tribalism where people not only proudly assert their ethnicity and allow themselves to be guided by others who share it, but actually believe in its traditional values. I don't think this will happen in my lifetime but I'll never say never because that can kill a spirit.
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Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 07:01 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Eyona and friends, Ellen Johnson Sirleaf doesn't have a drop of American blood -- as most Liberians who are LIVING IN LIBERIA already know. If you read any interview with her where she talks about her lineage it will show that information is correct. Many articles that say otherwise are wrong -- people think because of her education she is Americo but she is ABSOLUTELY NOT. Her father was a full-blooded Gola man from western Liberia, and her mother was half Kru and half German. Her German grandfather left Liberia during World War One when Liberia expelled all Germans from the country, and Mrs. Sirleaf did not know him at all. Her Gola father was one of the most educated men in Liberia and her Kru mother was also well educated. That is why Mrs. Sirleaf has good education and good values.

For your information, I am from the Mano tribe in Liberia, and Samuel Doe who ruled Liberia from 1980 and was indigeneous from the Krahn tribe, killed thousands of Manos and Gios when he was president. He started ethnic cleansing in Liberia and BEGAN the WORST period of Liberia's history. In February 1990 Doe ordered whole families killed in my family town of Ganta - children were even buried alive. Evil in Liberia doesn't have anything to do with a indigenous man being better than an americo man. Doe was evil and he was indigeneous.

Charles Taylor, who started the war to overthrow Doe's brutal and despotic leadership and ruled from 1997 to 2003 and is part indigeneous and part Americo. Taylor continued the murder and destruction that Doe had started, on a worse scale than before.

People have to stop telling lies about Liberia's history. President Tolbert was trying to improve Liberia before he was killed by Doe -- if you read any of his speeches you will see what kind of President he was. He was trying to improve things for ALL Liberians, and started a project to move poor Liberians from "mats to mattresses". Under Tolbert there were schools and clinics and many roads that were built. He was under criticism from many in his own political party because they thought he was too open - and he fought many members of his party who were conservative. He did not always succeed, and was often accused of nepotism, but under Samuel Doe and Charles Taylor the Liberian man lived in far worse condition than before, with far less pay.

Doe and Taylor did NOTHING for the ordinary Liberian man and woman - only for themselves. Eyona that is the truth - Samuel Doe did WORSE, not better than any president before him. No one can say that the murderers Samuel Doe and Charles Taylor gave more to the Liberian people than Tolbert. Name me one school, one clinic, one road that any of them built in any area that was not their tribal or family area. Tolbert built ALL OVER LIBERIA with less money than Doe had. In five years Doe received $500 million from the USA - more than all of the Liberian presidents throughout Liberia's history put together -- he had more and he did so much less. It is documented by even the Reagan library - and it was President Reagan that gave Doe all that money. What did Doe do for our people and where did that money given by the US to him go???

Anyway I thank God with Mrs. Sirleaf we have a Liberian president who is indigenous and well-educated and loves Liberia - love is something that Doe and Taylor did not have for Liberia. She is our sister and let us pray that she honors the spirits of our ancestors who I know want Liberia to finally know peace. Let us STOP THE LIES and pray for our country to know better days.
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Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 08:02 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

well u also need to stop telling lies about liberian history too............. MANO, GIO AND KRAHN People all killed people during the war in liberia. what ever happend btw krahn and Gio people is none of my concern. krahn people killed Gio and mano people the same way Gio people who was the followerS of CHarles taylor killed krahn people. save your information for liberian connection because people really don't gave a damn about some stupid tribal nonsense.. the topic was about the election and as far as i ma concern the election wasn't free and fair.... and doe did better than ur man taylor any day..... ............. i hope ellen does better because she was part of the war started by taylor..................... I AM NOT ARGUING WITH U ABOUT NOTHING UR VIEWS ON DOE IS UR PROSPECTVES NOT MINE.............
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Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 09:43 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wow this is an interesting site!! Hey Eyona, is that your only response to that posting? Your response is not too intelligent. You sound kinda angry. The person writing seems to despise Doe and Taylor, and says they were both murderers. And his or her argument about Mrs. Sirleaf being a better leader makes sense to me. Doe was a thug, from all the reports I saw when he took power. Taylor was also a thug. Both nasty murdering men. Doe started the killing in Liberia in 1980 from what I read. And Taylor continued the killing. Or do you know something the rest of us don't know?

I am happy to hear that that Mrs. Sirleaf is indigenous. I think she will do better than Doe and Taylor. I just started reading about her in some of the other papers and learned that this is true. I also read that Taylor was half Americo and half native. Apparently his mother was indigenous. Hmmm, this Liberian story is more complicated than I thought.

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