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onedaymypeoplewillfly
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Posted on Sunday, January 01, 2006 - 07:48 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I wish my people could just stop and breathe.
Who do I consider my people, people who's family have gone through the same thing mine has. I read alot of the posts and threads here,and I dont even know where my people are trying to go.

Some of my people say that this new generation of mixed people 'think' they are better than us, some say they dont want to be 'black'. Then there are the people who are pushing them away by saying things like they arent 'black', and we are nothing alike. so my question regarding the new generation of mixed people, are we either saying we dont want them....or they dont want us? I've seen many play both cards. Then they were never "black", but we've always accepted many people who are/were not racial black examples Malcom X, Fredrick douglas.
so is it really a fact of actual racial purity? or just Ethincity when it comes to this new generation?

lightskin vs. darkskin...why is this always an issue? Some say they want a separtion from the new generation of mixes...but we've got lightskinned people who blend in with them...so once agian are we saying that being black is not really about racial purity? because I'll be dammed if two people from ghanna come to american reproduce with other ghannas and them out of no where comes a lightskinned person.
Some of us need to realize that yes we are mixed, but that doesnt take away from a social and political identity as black...or does it, because if being lightskinned takes away from a social and political identity or realizing that you are mixed after family research then who in the hell in STILL black in america? I know I was born to a lightskinned mother, and while I'm brown skinned...if being lightskinned makes you less black, how could a child of someone not black be black. Apply that to yourself and see your history is most likely not differnt from mine. If being lightskinned, or knowing you are mixed(e.i. seeing the non-black parent) makes you not black, no ones been black in my family for generations...3 to be exact, but you wouldnt look at me and say I'm not black, or would you because I am not ghetto nor have I ever lived there( dont add that I talk proper) and while you may think I'm just pulling this out my ass I read a sista here talk about her friends who were lightskinned and tougher than her, while she said that tougher didnt equal blacker...where else can a mind roam than to that thought? She added that she did know some lightskinned sistas who were black...

So my people here are saying that being black is a racial purity thing, a social political thing, and a 'street' attitude thing? and you can be deemed NOT black for not fitting any of these while some one the same as you can be seen as black...example. Mariah Carey and Faith Evans, From MY experinces mariah is seen as not black, while faith is seen as a lightskinned black woman. Both have white and 'black' parents, but the blackness of both these parents can be questioned.

News Flash-african americans( the DESECDANTS of people of african dispora who were enslaved in america) are mixed!! plain and simple, no one ever said being mixed means one parent of each race because most of us have generations upon generations of mixed ancestry. AND NO WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ONE GREAT GREAT WHITE GRANDPARENT, and lets not forget the NATIVE AMERICAN. While looking at our pure african sistas and brothas what would make you think a mix between a coal black/blue black person with wide features and a white person would be someone who looks like Nicole richie? or her adoptive father for that matter.
Does anyone know who Samantha Mumba and Sophie okonedo are? These are children of european whites and africans and they look a hell of alot more like nia long and mary j. blige than Mya and Halle Berry. And they are true mulattoes,( that's why this new generation looks the way they do, they are closer to being 25% black than half, making them technical quadroons- try and talk to some of them most of them tell you that the 'black' side had mixture in it too) but after america got done with the one drop rule majority of the people openly claiming being mixed stopped because if 'the white man' thinks being black is so bad and so sad, I dont give a damn if I'm half I'll say I'm ALL black just to spite him. I belive that is the reason behind some of us feeling like anyone who accepts and claims any blood besides black are trying to be anything other than black because that person must think that any thing other than black is better. WRONG-I have the mind to think if all of us african americans DID accept and claim our mixture, and continued to do the same things we do( the postitives and negatives that keep old ladies locking car doors when we walk by) then who would care if we called our self an ethinic group like the latinos are an ethinic group and were recongized as a mixed race group...we'd still be the same thing we are in this country, we wouldnt get treated better, and we'd still be seen as the same niggas( by the way who ever said that a nigga had to be/ or was supposed to be all/pure black? that would be saying niggas come out of africa,and I'm sorry but if chinese come out of china and english out of england how could you get NIGGAS OUT OF AFRICA? ) because niggas are americas child, they created the nigga mentality with learned helplessness.

no doubt some new generation mixes do want to have a separte identity because they dont like 'us' and it's funny to bust them out by letting them know, the people they are trying to run from by claiming mixed are mixed too.

and no doubt some dont have the ethincitiy we as african americans do that explain why identify as black, while majority of us know we are not racialy black, so for that they want to identify as mixed or biracial, so that's normal.


so where are my people trying to go? I really dont know,I'm not pro-black or afro-centric, I'm not ashamed of having black blood, I wouldnt be whole without it, I do believe that the white blood I have came from shady means, but the mothers in my family loved the mulatto rape child they gave birth to so I can find it somewhere to love that as well. I refuse to stop loving my native american people because I dont have the right papers. I refuse to believe in order to prove i love my black blood I must refuse the other, but I do know I love my people, african americans, and i do know I hate NO other people.

It will be interesting to get your respones as i've been called pro black, and a one droppist before, I'm pretty sure I'll get different respones here, but it doesnt matter because i really do love my people, and nobody is perfect and no matter what gets said I'm gonna continue to be a brownskinned african american mixed girl, love it or hate it, it's not going to change, it may be an oxymoron to you, but it's technically and ethnically correct for me.
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Posted on Sunday, January 01, 2006 - 12:08 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Awww do you feel better now?

It's about 17 hours into 2006 and you couldn't resist posting this one-droppist diatrabe.

We covered this crap in 2005 didn't we?

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It's a mystery to me why you included the word "diplomat" in your screen name. I'm beginning to think that being a mulatto-diplomat is an oxymoron. onedaymypeoplewillfly is entitled to offer his/her input on an issue that has yet to be resolved.
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Posted on Sunday, January 01, 2006 - 04:30 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I dont understand how saying that I'm mixed, many african americans are mixed could make me a onedroppist, I expressed my thoughts of things that need to be addressed before any postive movement of racial identity could happen. When we start talking about black and mixed people really there are so many turns and twists that no progress is made.

so could you point out to me where I made a statment that was one droppist( that would mean I made a statment that I feel that no matter how mixed a person is as long has they have black blood they are black...)??? Or am I just going to be accused without you proving your point.
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Posted on Sunday, January 01, 2006 - 08:09 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

News Flash-african americans( the DESECDANTS of people of african dispora who were enslaved in america) are mixed!! plain and simple,

News flash...most of the people no matter where you go in AFRICA are "mixed", too. Only very small groups like Sudan's Dinka and Nuer CUSHITES are 100% pure black. The darkest Chocolates along the WEST AFRICA "gold coast" may have blood of Portuguese and Spanish explorers and missionaries going back to the 1400s...in South Africa, the Zulu mated with whites 1,000 years ago, but nobody counts that anymore. They're just Pure African Zulus. So in reality, Africans have always been mixing.

The DIFFERENCE is, Africans form tribes and matrilineal bloodberrys to create a "uniformed" "cohesive" LOOK. So that #1--they all have African hair (which is the "proof--our crown") #2--they are Black people; ranging in degrees of BLACKNESS that don't allow any "corruption" by white, otherwise they label it "Half-Caste" (ie. Sophie Okenedo) and #3---they look alike featureswise; Ashanti look like Ashanti, Mandingo look like Mandingo, Yoruba look like Yoruba....they are uniformed...and then they also look alike NATIONALLY.

Black Americans USED TO look alike,nationally, with only tiny pockets of yellow and mixed people---and those yellows back then had AFRICAN features (ie. Etta James). But overall, the people were BLACK folk.

This brings more unity than not looking alike.

While looking at our pure african sistas and brothas what would make you think a mix between a coal black/blue black person with wide features and a white person would be someone who looks like Nicole richie?

My birth mother was an Oromo. She was Charcoal black.

My father was an Arab Egyptian. He is considered "white" in Egypt, but to you he would look like an Arabian.

I do not look mixed at all (at least not in America)

Kola

In Africa, they would call me "Black".

But if I looked like this:

Half

Then I would be called "Half Caste".

I would still be considered AFRICAN and would be considered a part of my family. But I would not be considered "black".

Black people are black.

As one of our poster's (Anununki 3600) pointed out---where he lives in KENYA---they refer to Halle Berry as "white".

I too know many places in Africa, especially CENTRAL Africa...where mixed people are considered "White". But that's mainly because those particular Africans are SO black.

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One thing you fail to acknowledge, ONE DAY....

....is that the differences in color and hair texture are becoming so vast and exotic...that it's impossible for the people to be treated with any sameness.

A woman who looks like Jennifer Beales cannot relate to the experiences of a woman who looks like INDIA ARIE...and truthfully, FAITH EVANS can't even truly relate to what a dark skinned nappy thick-featured woman like INDIA ARIE goes through.

Take away their fame.

Any girl like Faith, because she looks closer to white, is treated in a whole different way than a girl who looks like India Arie.

When you add in people like Jessica Alba, who isn't even black---being CAST in a movie as the daughter of two African Americans ("Honey")---the people who really are black see murder, and rightfully so.

This is where the hostility and division is coming from...and it SHOULD come.

I get sick and tired of seeing every black woman's role casted with a high yellow woman...when I would prefer to see authentic black women (meaning brown with African hair) given something to do.

The society is deeply COLORIST and yet you haven't acknowledged that.

It's only natural that those who suffer the most from colorism---the darkest blacks----would feel resentful and want their own moniker back "Black"....and want to separate from those who benefit most from being mixed. And especially, dark skinned black WOMEN are the ones driving this, because they (the motherseed of our race) are the ones most excluded and hated.....because they're black.

So you left all that out.

Perhaps what you should really be doing is searching for ways that COLORISM can stop excluding those people who are the most angry.

Perhaps since you love black people so much---you can envision the blackest girl being cast as the love interest of your teenaged son??? Or envision chocolate fudge angels flying down from heaven?

Maybe that's what you should be advancing.

Because the fastest way to solve this "WISH" for your people....is to just mate and celebrate blacker.

It's that simple.

But from your post, you sound as though you're trying to HOLD ON to your preferred status....your blood that makes you separate and causes you to be treated "special", specifically because you're NOT all black---but you don't want to be without your "darker" people; the ones who traditionally are made to stand BEHIND you and play background.

Obviously, there's TOO MUCH mixing going on now for there to be unity or "instant" recognition.

I am a black woman and when I encounter women who look like "Maya"---I immediately don't trust them and don't feel that we are the same women. With that TYPE you never know what you're going to get.

Some claim black...some don't.

White mothers raise a lot of them now.

But when I encounter women who look like Vivica Fox and India Arie (even Halle, because she's darker), I feel immediate comfort. I feel home.

Just tell everybody to get blacker and then they'll have uniformity and automatically accept each other.


LAST:

Because your people did not come here "yellow" and "mixed"....but were Black African people--FORCED out of their own land...it's impossible for them to ignore that they have been "watered down" and "bastardized".

It's GLARINGLY OBVIOUS just by trying to read their own Black History pamphlets.

Something "instinctual" cries out to them that they are supposed to be "black".

And no matter how you try to pass yellow off as "brown"--yellow is NOT authentic blackness.

Good intentions and singing "We Are the World" cannot overcome the injustice done against the African blood.

It haunts you.
















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News Flash: Kola Boof has a one track mind!!! Several Sudanese got killed in Cairo by racist Egyptian fucker-poilice a couple days ago, where was Kola's big goddamn mouth then? She said nothing. All she cares about is light skin this and dark-skin that. God, what a phony!!!
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Posted on Monday, January 02, 2006 - 01:26 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, what is there to say about Cairo?

Honestly.

I have an autobiography coming out in 3 weeks that covers it all.

I mean, really, I'm not GOD.












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kool boof, where do you see african americans?

I dont hold myself apart or anything like that, and I do understand that some of my ancestors were torn from there country and it really pisses me off the way the africans brought here were handled because I have no way of knowing who my african people were, I have no idea as to what tribe or anything. I also have ancestors who were already here and truly owned america and they were killed, tricked and kicked out their own land, I have ancestors from europe and that's just how my cookie crumbled.

so you are mixed, and in your country you are 'half-caste'? and in america you'd be black, didnt you say that you didnt look mixed? well in reality you do look mixed, it's just that to america you have to be damn near off white to be considered mixed by the masses. so you probley do look mixed everwhere else but america, america probley doesnt think I look mixed but that's americans preception. I think I'm just the run of the mill african american. and I do know that many africans are mixed. The whole world has practicaly gotten whiter because of manifest destiny,..or was that just what it was called in american?
and I do see how bad the whole world treats africans, and anyone of african decent,I wounldnt consider myself african american as an ethincity that stems from the africans torn from africa if I didnt feel the pain, so if I,my family, and my people arent authentic, so be it, but I know I still care, and that's the reason alot of african americans claim to be all black, for that reason. I have/had no control over the mixing that went on and I cant say I would apologize for it, some of it wasnt even a choice.
many of us cant get darker, I think that's kinda funny but it's not that simple, my mother sunburns and I get tan lines and there is no hiding the blue veins that run inside my arm. Really this is not suppose to sound uppity, so please dont take it that way.

I know an african family from nigeria that moved here and their children have just lost all culture and they swear they are just white pop culture. I saw this boy this year and I knew he was from africa, I go to a historicly black college among african americans and he could tell he was from africa when i saw him. Also getting blacker, well my boyfriend is darkskinned, well a little lighter than you but with more red, and the thing is he's mixed and the way genes play out our children will probley cover all colors from yellow to brown.
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Posted on Monday, January 02, 2006 - 06:06 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I heard that some africans can look at african americans and tell us what parts our african ancestors came from...is that true? or do you think the mixture of white and native american and asian in my mans case would make that immpossible.
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Posted on Monday, January 02, 2006 - 03:22 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes,we can often tell what part of Africa or tribe our children are from.

Black Americans are children of Africa.

Because of American slavery--where all the tribes were forced to mix so that they would lose their African language...for instance, a Mandingo was paired with a Fulani; a Hausa with a Yoruba; a Wolof with an Ashanti......Black Americans usually look like a combination of tribes.

To me, Whoopi Goldberg looks like a Zulu, Ekoi and Denkinyira all at the same time.

A great deal of Black Americans look like Denkinyira, because that tribe (from Dahomey) was used as a "breeder" group---their women were virtually tied to beds and men from all tribes were ordered to fuck those women and create new slaves. So you often see Denkinyira in Southern Blacks, and most blacks are from the South.

Yes, the ones who are "too mixed" are hard to identify by tribe.

ALSO....the "admixture" of Blacks with INDIAN and WHITE in this country is way OVER-BLOWN. Anyone with decent vision can see that Black Americans are overwhelmingly and predominately of West African blood stocks. You give the Indian and White way too much credit.

I don't think I look biracial, although I am:

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I can tell in the shape of your head, and length of your nose...other things like that, but I dont know how many true africans I've seen,if I just saw you on the street I wouldnt find it hard to believe you had something else in you.

I know my blood which is why i say nativeamerican and white may interfere. native americans dont all look the same.I know what you are saying that you can still tell, but I know that my dad looks like his mom who has white in her, and the way my dad's face is built it's very european structured where his nose and browlines are concered. Then I can see his father comes in and he was half native american and I've seen a picture of her and my dad looks like her. It's the same way on my mothers side, the african features never die, but they blend.
I cant speak for anybody else family, but I know my genes, and plenty of people who yes are dark brown, but features are very native american mixed with african and mixed with white.

I would really like to know where in africa my ancestors came from, only thing I can think of is genetic testing.
What other tribes were used as breeders? like for south american countries and the islands?
what tribe would you say Ashanti the singer came from?
how about Christina milian?
can you tell, if you didnt know what tribe Samantha mumba sophie O. and thandie newton were from if it wasnt common knowlegde? They are half and half.
I would have put the picture there but I dont feel like fooling with that, it never works right for me.

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I've been told that I look like a South African, by someone from Zimbabwe.

However, it's kind of difficult, because I've been told I look like a lot of really different people (many of whom DON'T LOOK LIKE EACH OTHER), so it can be somewhat confusing.

I mean, I've been told that I look South African, so you would think maybe I have roots there, right?

BUT, I've also been told I look Japanese, Malaysian, Panamanian, Somali, Cuban, etc., etc., etc.

In what world can someone look both Somali and Japanese?
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Renata:

some groups...identified people by their eyes...this is what asians often do, for example. Add a mix of history, and u can see African, European, and Chinese and Indian...slave labor African, spaniards white europeans...coolie labor Chinese and Indian...this is the case in Cuba, Guyana, Jamaica, and especially Trinidad...
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I think when it comes to people with mixed genes it can get hard, or not 'work' right because what if the african tribe you are from genes mixes with your european or native american and the way it shows on your face looks like another tribe from africa when someone is trying to tell you where your ancestors came from.
I have no clue where any of my african ancestors came from, and I'm sure the way mixing and lose of identity went that I've got more than one tribe of ancestors.

There is girl is an actress
http://www.cassieroxs.50megs.com/images/flip_manny_01.jpg

she plays a latino on this one show and she looks latino to me, I know latino is a mix of indiegous people, african and spanish,but come to find out she's half philpino half white, so our perception of what races look like can be wrong when people are mixed, she could blend into mexico, cuba and brazil so easily but she's not even any of those nationalities
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I think that Black Americans who are still mostly African...should take a stand and stop mixing.

The society offers "status" for it---but once they get mixed, they feel this emptiness and displacement, because now they truly don't belong anywhere. It's no fun trying to ride in two boats at the same time. Riding in one is secure.

And of course----IGNORANCE----because AAs were raised 400 years on slave plantations is the reason that they bastardize themselves this way.

If they knew who they were and had a core identity to protect...you would not see all this mixing.

In the late 1800's during the EXODUS from the south after slavery ended....the overwhelming majority of BLACK AMERICANS were blue black to chocolate fudge covered. Less than 10% could be called Mulatto, Octoroon, etc.

So it proves that the mixing was more their self-hatred than from the mass rape that occured. They get out of slavery and CONTINUED the "caste system" that they'd learned in slavery.....they hated blackness, because their slave master (parent) hated it. And don't be fooled---the slave master is just an abusive FOSTER PARENT to the Black Americans. They erased all their self knowledge about Africa and replaced it with ignorance about race.

Hence the mixed progeny. Which is a symbol of their self-destruction. Not the best of both worlds in the least.




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onedaymypeoplewillfly,

Some Africans in the US blend into the AA race too if they talk and act AA. But most of the times I can tell a Somalian from an Ethiopian or Kenyan from South Sudanese. It's very possible to tell what someone is mixed with too, and some whites look hispanic. You're right but most of the times you can tell what they're mixed with or where they're from.
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Many, MANY Africans I've met could go to my family reunion, and people would ask who's son/daughter they are. Often, it's their accent and/or the way they dress that makes them different.

One third of my family look like (colorwise) Lisa Bonet/Jasmine Guy.

One third look like Will Smith/Malcolm X.

One third look like Bernie Mac/Annan Kofi.

Parents/Grandparents' color doesn't seem to make a difference. It's all chance.

Genetics are funny that way.
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Genetics are NOT funny that way.

Otherwise it would be the same way in Africa.

What is going on is that a high level of "Yellow Genes" are present....notice you only named the MALES as dark skinned. Most of the wives in your family line are probably mixed women (meaning yellow skinned; some with nappy hair, others with mixed hair).

What is the ratio of Dark skinned husbands

to

Light skinned wives?

It is NOT BY CHANCE.

But like the majority of AA families, your family has probably traditionally excluded having very dark skinned wives.








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Not all the men are dark skinned. I was naming celebs based on skin colors that are represented in my family, not by skin color AND gender.

Here's my family:

VERY LIGHT SKINNED: ALL have very nappy hair. All have fat/big lips. Only the males have red hair and gray eyes. All the women have black hair and black eyes. Most have acne prone skin. ALL are short.

MEDIUM BROWN SKINNED: ALL have GORGEOUS skin that doesn't seem to get acne. Most are mistaken for Somali when in Atlanta. Some have big lips, some have thin lips. ALL the men are thin and tall. Most have fine hair. Only a few have nappy hair.

DARK SKINNED: ALL have GORGEOUS skin that doesn't seem to age. ALL have thin lips, small nose and facial features. ALL are tall. ALL have fine hair. I can't think of any with nappy hair.

Well, that's my family. We have certain features based on skin color, regardless of gender (except for the gray eye/red hair gene). There are NO tall AND light skinned people. There are NO dark skinned AND fat lipped people.

I don't know what that says about our genetics. That's why I think they're funny.
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Most men tend to marry medium (Will Smith's color) brown women.

Lighter skinned men tend to marry dark skinned women.

Everyone has at least 2 different colored children, some have all 3 colors in one family (unless there's only one child).
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I know this is coming in late and all, but ONEDAYMYPEOPLEWILLFLY, this "counting every drop" of blood thing will not help Afro-American people in ANY WAY!

I'm PURE AA! Everyone in my family is one! I was born & raised in the South too.

And I know, White people will claim ANYTHING before claiming Black (more specifically African-American) blood/ancestors. Indians will too! Even if the White person claims to be "mixed", he'll make that "mix" IS from Indians and not AA's.

SO WHY DO OUR PEOPLE GIVE HIM THIS HONOR OF ACKNOWLEDGING HIM?

I would NEVER EVER do this even if I were blond haired and blue eyed if it were nothing but to salvage my PRIDE!
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We have so much going for ourselves as a people and yet never stop and realize it! We're always looking at what someone else is doing.........

As I've said before, I do believe Africans who were at war with one another at the time willingly sold other Africans into slavery and started this hold African disapora thing. And as we all know, the Europeans who bought these enslaved Africans exploited their new "propertly" accordingly!

Knowing this, I don't believe we "owe" anybody anywhere else acknowledgement for anything!We *DO* however owe people like Harriet Tubman, Booker T. Washington, Malcolm X etc something! We do "owe" them something as simple as keeping their history and memory alive and NOT giving thanks to everyone else around the world! This "African-Americans" are a mix of Africans, Europeans and Indians crap does just that!
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Almost forgot!

Like Kola said earier, I've read that Nigerians (who are the most populated African countrY) are on adverage 5% White. Keep in mind that Jamicians, I've read are about 6.8% White so basically EVERY Black (really every HUMAN BEING) have some "other" ancestry somewhere down the line.

What makes us US is our history/culture! Not whether we have a "mix" or not! Every human being on the planet is technically Mixed!
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But AFRO AMERICAN...

people who are African have not said you owed them anything or ASKED you to stay black for them.

My argument is in defense of YOUR ANCESTORS---most of whom look like Africans.

Gladys Knight...Esther Rolle...Redd Foxx...

Frederick Douglass...Nat King Cole...Malcolm X...

Zora Neal Hurston...Vernon Johns

...James Earl Jones...Diahann Carroll

...Paula Kelly...Nina Simone

These people are clearly African blooded.

More than anything else.

Obviously, AFRICANS would feel kinship with those people named and would rather you looked like your own people.

Most AAs try to pretend that LENA HORNE and W.E.B. DuBois and Hiawathta is their only ancestor.



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Kola, that is so true. Which is why I identify more with Africans. My ancestors were AFRICAN, no matter where I may have ended up, no matter what the politics of what brought me here. I'm no less African, than a Chinese person living in Venezuela is STILL Chinese.

Blood matters, not politics, not geography. Not even whether you like it or not.
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Yes, Kola.

The only reason I do AGREE with the term "African-American" is ONLY because it gives homeage to our SLAVE ancestors- and NOT the people who help sell them (other Africans) and used them (Europeans).

I do NOT agree with the term in trying to create a FAKE African culture. Or better yet spinning a globe and putting your finger on some country or place and claiming that SPOT/TRIBE is where "your people came from".

African-Americans BEGAN when the first slave ships reached North America.

If we truly had a true defintion of our history we wouldn't have Renata arguring that we are "Africans" (yet have no tribe) and onedaymypeople...... arguring that we are "Mixed" with something else (yet most of us have 100% Blacks in our families)!

I say: Africans belong to "tribes/ethnic" groups! If you don't belong to a "tribe" you ain't African.

I also say: Mixed people come from non-Black wombs! If your mother isn't White/ Asian/Indian etc, you aren't mixed!

......one has to be BORN into this stuff! Not simply have SOME ancestry hundreds of years ago from somewhere else!
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But AFRO AMERICAN....never forget....

that those Africans who sold other Africans into slavery...were sold right behind them.

So they are with you always. Think of Clarence Thomas and so many other Black Americans like Ward Connerly.

Stop trying to act like the people in Africa are the devil...when there's more devil in your blood, being MIXED with so much White and Indian slave owners....not to mention the people who SOLD YOU and went with you.

Again, NOBODY asked you to be a FAKE Africa.

Did you ever see the video I made?

I praised BLACK AMERICAN CULTURE and said it's a tragedy that it's dying out.

What I ask you to do is honor the humanity of your African ancestors by not giving the dominant white culture further victory over them---by erasing them.

And no matter what you say.....AFRICA will always be the "barometer" by which black people, anywhere on the globe, measure their blackness and their connection to self.

Just as WHITE AMERICANS do Europe.

Your ancestors....had ancestors, too.

You can never escape that.









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The only reason I agree with "African-American" is because I'm American by nationality.

Being sold by Africans doesn't make you less African. Not knowing exactly where in Africa you're from doesn't make you less African. A Sudanese could be adopted at birth, NEVER know she's Sudanese, not have ANY connection to Sudan, perhaps not even like Sudanese, but she's STILL Sudanese. Knowledge or lack of it doesn't change what you are.

To me, it's not about paying homeage to anyone in particular, but MYSELF. I could want to be something else. But that doesn't change the fact that I'm AFRICAN, whether or not I know my tribe, whether or not I like it, whether Africans accept me or not.
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And there IS a true definition of your history in this country that's well documented.

By AAs reject it.

They take one look at QUEEN SOJOURNER TRUTH and they want nothing to do with her.

Ditto Harriett Tubman.

And "anything" that is black---they reject it, and especially AFRICA itself.

No one is asking your people to do any of what you are implying.

You don't have to become African or move back there to have RESPECT for your own greatness, which is AFRICAN.

If there was a great empire in GHANA...then why shouldn't you be proud and claim it? YOU helped to build it.

Your ancestor, Queen TinkaTeker II can tell you---not nearly HALF the slaves brought here were from "Wars" or "Prisons". That's bullshit.

All 8 of her children were snatched off the beach while playing. West Africa reeks with HORROR stories about mothers and children, men going off to hunt---being snatched up and brought over here.

Africans didn't build any Slave Ships.

They also had little means ARMY WISE to keep from participating in the slave trade.

Those who fought against the slave trade, were DECIMATED. Others just gave in and participated out of fear of being massacred.

But notice you never mention those things.

There's a BITTERNESS that clouds what you're saying.

And because you have not embraced Africa---you cannot fully embrace yourself...."apart from Africa".

That's what I see.

Nobody's telling you to be AFRICAN or to go back.

But when you look in Nipsey Russell's face or Anita Baker's face or Toni Morrison's

----Africa is there. Plain as day.





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kola said>>>>> your ancestor Queen Tinka Teker II can tell you....not nearly half the slaves brought here were from wars or prisons........ i totally agree with you kola.... you are one brillent black woman!!! i usually met some AA who say that Africans sold their people in to slavery which i don't believe at all......... white people wrote this into history as a means of not admitting guilt and as a means of making AA feel worthless, and bitter towards africa... they teach this crap in school just to brain wash AA..... because in africa this is not what we are taught...... although some africans chiefs sold thier people into slavery not all of them did........ we all know that but some people find that hard to believe.......... i always tell people that history is always written in favor those who write it..... i wasn't there and afroamerican wasn't present..... yet she claimed it is written down in history but who wrote the very history we are talking about..........
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afroamerican you really need to stop all this blaming and finger pointing because it will not do you any good........... i am from liberia and i know too well the evil that free black americans slaves did to my ancestor when they when back to africa......... they denial my ancestor equal rights and freedom for so many years( 1847 to 1980) therefore both those africans that sold their people into slavery and free black americans slaves that enslaved africans were all guilty and evil!!!! like kola said you don't have to become african and pick a tribe ............. africa is for all black people who love it.......... the funny thing is evil white people claim they are from africa yet some black people swear their ancestor came from europe!!!! crazy world!!!
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Hi Eyona!!! :-)

So glad to see you sister. Thanks for the compliment.

Yes, it was terribly bad in Liberia and they still haven't recovered.


AfroAmerican is a really cool sister. She's a college student and I agree with a lot of her ideas. She's nice.




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sorry I havent been around, that's alot of information to respond to.
To Kola about the lighter wife and darker husband. My great grandparents, grandparents,parents and even my boyfriend and I fit into this. I know what you are saying about colorism, and I am strongly aganist colorism,...but is my boyfriend "selling" out by dating a lighter skinned girl? also my parents, grandparents and great grands, are you saying that the only reason that the men in my family married the women is because of color, I mean if you say that we should marry darker...i'm just confused because if you want people to marry darker, then many people in relationships would have to marry lighter, and that doesnt even mean that the children will be darker.My great grandma and I are brown skinned, and my mom and grandma are lightskinned.
To Renata, its not so much that genetics are funny, it's just our gene pool is mixed and even when society or whoever sees us as black and african, that doesnt change our genes.
To Afroamerican, I'm not pure african who has been living in america, and majority of my famly is also from the south. Just because a 'white' person with knowlegde of mixture of african roots denies it and all that, should we try and do the same thing? My claiming every drop would not make anybody see me any 'whiter' than they do already,especily after I explain my ethinicity, african american, and that I am not trying to get a Mariah carey status or a fence rider status. I know who I am and I ride in one boat with anybody who understands the struggle. I dont 'have' a tribe because I have no clue where my african ancestors came from and i've probley got more than one african tribe in me the way I have more than two native american tribes in me. I have to disagree that 100% of our families are black, but based on your two statments of the tribes and the black in our families I guess you'd say I'm not african or black. Non-black wombs...so by saying the mother has to be non black, that means that lightskinned blacks exist and people with half of their ancestry from another race are still black, that means Tia and tamara mowry, faith evans, and thandie newton are as 'black' as you.
I have many non-black wombs in my family, but still I'd have to disagree with that statment all together, because that means that a black woman can have black children with white and asian fathers. So you are saying being black isnt about how you look...because that means many of the original mulattoes with african mothers were still black because of their mothers while they would have had a different phenotype that the africans with two african parents.

By the way thanks for the feedback, it's all very enlightening. It's been a while since I've heard the many different point of views of african women, african american women and black women.
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Onedaymypeople,

Well I don't think that method is politically correct however I think its the BEST way for us (AA's).

I say this because 70% of Afro-Americans do NOT grow up with a father (married) stablily planted in the home. Most of our younger people are not being raised by their FATHER'S traditions but their MOTHERS. Black women have always been the pillars of our society........and we always will be!

I think we need cultures and traditions that put VALUE on Black women more! So quite naturally limiting AA children to those of only AA mothers is a GREAT start! I think it automatically assigns VALUE to getting a Black (American) woman and KEEPING her tradtions alive!

Do get what I'm trying to say?

I also know there are a lot of White mothers in AA families with kids "in the family". However, I've also noticed increasingly that these children identify with their WHITE MOTHERS and not "African-Americans"--- which is fine! However at the same time we should not allow our own CULTURE to simply "die out" because of a handful of children. I see this causing confusion when I hear AA's talk about being "mixed" down the line etc, etc and whether being Black is based on looks or being of 'African descent' like millions of other people in America referred to as Black. There's a great confusion all around.

The piont is I don't want us to lose our COMMUNITY in the process! I know we can't use "purity" as a measuring stick for Blackness because there aren't many if any AA's that are probably PURE African. So what we must do ( TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY/ETHNICITY) is base it on ***CULTURE***!!!!
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Hey, I want to send my picture to one of you guys that think you can tell me what tribes my african ancestors are from, who could I send my pics to?
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I think that racism has driven many of us mad.

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