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Kola_boof
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Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 03:00 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The Judge REFUSED TO DISMISS the case! :-)

I hope they nail his ass:


CHICAGO - Singer R. Kelly is a step closer to trial after a judge refused Friday to dismiss charges in a three-year old case against him for allegedly engaging in videotaped sex acts with an underage girl.

Kelly has pleaded not guilty to 14 counts of child pornography.

Cook County Judge Vincent Gaughan rejected defense arguments that prosecutors have been too vague about when the alleged crime took place, said county state's attorney spokeswoman Marcy Jensen.

Prosecutors claim the video was made sometime during a nearly three-year span between January 1998 and October 2000. They cut 18 months off their original timeframe of November 1997 to February 2002 after a judge agreed in June that the span was too broad.

Defense attorney Ed Genson did not return a call for comment after business hours Friday.

Kelly, whose first name is Robert, won a Grammy for the gospel-like song "I Believe I Can Fly." He's also known for sexually charged music like "Bump N' Grind" and "Ignition."

The next court date was set for Dec. 9.


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Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 10:52 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did ya check out the fat gut in his latest video. Age sure is catching up with the brotha. Soon he's going to be a nasty old man. I wonder how well that'll play out in prison (LOL).

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Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 12:08 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

On a more serious note:

I met him once behind the scenes. Nothing happened. We were at a restaurant -- he and his crew wanted to take it ("the party") to the hotel they were staying at - across from where we were dining - I declined. My family, who lived close by, is a bunch of old fashioned, southern-born, intensely religious Christians, with unbearable HARDCORE values, so that was out! I was about 18 then; he had to have been in his early or mid 20s, and he came across as very caring and respectful. He also seemed to deeply respect, desire, and admire bona fide/darkskinned black women. On the scenes and in videos you see him with a lot of high yellow women, but behind the scenes he appeared to be the exact opposite. It was almost as if his image was just a persona. The female he was with (who was obviously irritated) and the female I was with were both High yellow; yet his focus was placed sqarely on me. I'm not sure what complexion the women he ended up marrying is, but, that night, he didn't come across as being colorist at all.

But, of course, none of that excuses what he did.

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Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 08:21 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

yet his focus was placed sqarely on me

Did you, perhaps, look younger than your 18 years? I have heard other rumors of this sort: That backstage surrounded by beautiful (adult) women, he keys in ("respectfully" and "caringly") on the starstruck 17 year old along the wall...

I do not want to get all hepped up like I did during the MJ fiasco. We Black folks need to stop excusing our men who rape, batter, kill and exploit each other, us women, and children. Period.

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Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 09:05 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

R. Kelly has a large following of supporters in Chicago, many of whom are star-stuck young women. And the fact that his silly 6-volume CD soap opera "Trapped in the Closet" is a best-seller says something about how gullible and simple-minded his hard-core fans are.
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Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2005 - 12:23 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Actually, Yvette, although I was rail thin, I was fully developed and extremely attractive for my age; also, keep in mind, R. Kelly is not that much older than me. But I have to admit, as soon as I heard about these allegations my mind went straight back to what I was wearing and my demeanor that night. I had on a short cheerleader's type skirt (uh-huh) and a tight fighting V neck T-shirt. (I looked just like a cheerleader) And - back then - I was naive, innocent, very timid, and kinda shy; so, naturally, I was nervous, totally enthralled, and, yes, completely awestruck. Not only to be sitting across fom R. Kelly - remember "Public Announcement!" - awe, girl, they were "IT!" back then; and, on top of that, MR. R. Kelly, himself -- chile, please, I was beyond starstruck.

Looking back though, Yvette, if I had to guess, I'd say it's the timid childlike behavior he's attracted to and not so much a childlike look. As I said before, I was fully developed; but he appeared to be mainly interested in me - the person. He was calm -- he wanted me to be calm; and he treated me like I was the only person in the room. He was focused.

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Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2005 - 12:31 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Interesting pts, T. Well, bru seems to be keeping busy:

Salon.com: 'Confirming our suspicion about his need for attention in the wake of the scandal around Janet's alleged secret baby, Michael Jackson announced two big pieces of news on Thursday. First, the charity single he's been promising for over a month now has finally gotten off the ground -- though there's still no list of who exactly is going to be on it. Jacko was in Los Angeles this week to have mysterious pop stars come in to lay down vocal tracks for his song "From the Bottom of My Heart" (it's to be produced, oddly enough, by accused child pornographer R. Kelly).
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Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2005 - 09:57 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

R.Kelly high on my hit list of Black males who take advantage of simple mentally challenged Black female children. Teach your daughters what real men look like and how real women react to THEM! Roast his azz in jail and his name will be Roberta on return to the city.
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Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2005 - 11:29 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they simple and mentally challenged or were they just kids who were immature... many of whom, by the way, were a bunch of brown and darkskinned females.

Why are we so hard on them.... Was Aliyah simple minded and mentally challenged? If so, how did she manage to maintain such a challenging career; and why did we support it? We judged her family (as we should have) but we were not hard on her -- she was a victim... and ultimately our princess.

Just a thought.

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Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2005 - 02:35 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tonya, are you saying that we should give him points for choosing brown/darkskinned victims?

Your continued focus on the COLOR of the victims and what his preferences are is sort of disgusting me---as though you're saying, "Well at least he liked dark skinned girls".

It sounds TOO desperate.

Please clarify on that.

And Aliyah didn't "maintain" any career. The people around her, including Barry Hankerson and R. Kelly led her every step of the way. She was no different than most of the "female singers" who are propped up, given a persona by handlers, told what to sing about and then marketed.



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Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2005 - 10:16 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

First of all, I'm not suggesting we give him "points" for ANYTHING much less child rape... so, please stop implying that I'd say or even think such a thing. Child molesters are the lowest of the low, regardless of race and color. That said, I'm suggesting we also look at this from another perspective; and, yes that perspective does involve color ---- but guess what... it ain't my fault.

Most "offended" African Americans are not turned-off by what he did... they lost respect for him mainly because of his choices - i.e. his preference. Long before the discovery of these tapes, rumors were swirling EVERYWHERE about R. Kelly digging on young girls. But, "brothas" and "sistahs" were not sickened by the fact that he was messing with young (black) girls -- they were appalled & disgusted 'cause Kelly was messing with girls who were "homely", "chicks you wouldn't see in the videos", and, yes, "DARKSKINNED". Immediately, these girls were pegged as worthless "hoodrats"; after that, respect for R. Kelly's PREFERENCE began to take a hit -- not his morality.

Once the tapes were discovered, his freedom in jeopardy, and the news became global, people (who already knew) began piling on him left and right. And, you better believe many who started piling were those who couldn't stand his *PREFERENCE* to begin with. How many "sistahs" - of all skin tones and from all backrounds - were in utter disbelief, in a loss for words, and thoroughly beside themselves...... And, how many of these socalled brothas simply shook their heads while wondering why Kelly was "slippin"? Do you think any of them were concerned about the emotional well-being of these young black victims... Hell, no!!! Kelly lost their respect, and obviously his mind; therefore he's getting what he deserves....

Bank This: If R. Kelly was being brought down because of his vile dispicable actions towards young women (which I believe he should) I'd be the first to lend my voice to publicly crucify him.... But since he's being hunged solely on the basis of his *hated preference*, I ain't fuckin with it.... I'll keep my harsh opinions to myself; let the courts handle their business, and let justice prevail.

People actually wonder why much of the masses are looking the other way. It's been said that they're feeble-minded, uneducated, don't read, ignorant, and flat out misinformed.... But (like always) those of us who are still in the thick of it can spot antipathy and a pile of self-hating bullshit before it even gets cold.

...makes me wonder just how far removed the rest of us apparently are.

By the way, I was very precise in my last 4 posts -- nobody should have took it the way you implied some could; yet, I had no doubt I'd have to explain myself cuz I figured many would....

Tonya

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Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2005 - 11:01 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

And by "preference" I mean his COLOR preference -- not his preference for little girls.
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Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2005 - 11:24 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Most "offended" African Americans are not turned-off by what he did... they lost respect for him mainly because of his choices - i.e. his preference. Long before the discovery of these tapes, rumors were swirling EVERYWHERE about R. Kelly digging on young girls. But, "brothas" and "sistahs" were not sickened by the fact that he was messing with young (black) girls -- they were appalled & disgusted 'cause Kelly was messing with girls who were "homely", "chicks you wouldn't see in the videos", and, yes, "DARKSKINNED". Immediately, these girls were pegged as worthless "hoodrats"; after that, respect for R. Kelly's PREFERENCE began to take a hit -- not his morality.


Well I'm glad I had you point this out----what you ACTUALLY were alluding to----because it was coming off totally spooky before that.

And I mean totally.

But I agree with you. MOST of the raped,molested girls in the Black community--the ones you see in child protective services, reform school, etc.----are DARK black little girls. The people that our community cares the least about.

The men KNOW that they can target these ones and get away with it.

I think you're 100% right now that I know what you're saying.





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Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2005 - 11:29 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

But since he's being hunged solely on the basis of his *hated preference*, I ain't fuckin with it

I don't believe this is the least bit true.

In fact, I can guarantee you that MOST of the White folks in this country could give a shit about his preference---and would be the last ones to "notice" what the "shades" are.

And I believe that a fair number of Black Folks, as well---Chris Hayden for instance---are not concerned with his preference.

There are many,many people who are simply upset that it's a 14 year old CHILD, and in my case and my Father's case and Chris's case---he PISSED on a black child.

________

What baffles me---is why would you not "fuck it" when it's the most vulnerable, most unprotected girls (the dark ones) being exploited and abused again?

Why wouldn't you want to see them get justice and be very vocal about that?




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Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2005 - 11:44 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By the way, I was very precise in my last 4 posts --

No, actually you weren't, Tonya.

I really felt as though you were rehashing a happy tender memory and saying...."so he's not ALL bad."


nobody should have took it the way you implied some could

Well several people who emailed me did, Tonya.

And since I defended you--I just wanted to make sure that you were more CLEAR.

It sounded as if you were saying---he likes dark girls, not those yellow ones in his videos and his attention was totally focused on me and he's caring and respectful of black women, he wanted to make love to me--his image is nothing like what think.

Here's your own words:

I was about 18 then; he had to have been in his early or mid 20s, and he came across as very caring and respectful.

ok


He also seemed to deeply respect, desire, and admire bona fide/darkskinned black women.

Now coming from you...that could be taken several ways. Especially since you never outright called him a "creep" or a "molestor" or anything bad.

On the scenes and in videos you see him with a lot of high yellow women, but behind the scenes he appeared to be the exact opposite. It was almost as if his image was just a persona.



Again,

What baffles me---is why would you not "fuck with it" when it's the most vulnerable, most unprotected girls (the dark ones) being exploited and abused again?

Why wouldn't you want to see them get justice and be very vocal about that?


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Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 03:51 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

***I really felt as though you were rehashing a happy tender memory and saying...."so he's not ALL bad.....It sounded as if you were saying.... his attention was totally focused on me.... he wanted to make love to me "***

Damn, Kola... that's deep! You remind me of my momma. That's how deeply she looks into the simplest things, especially if she thinks it involves sex (LOL). For real though, I sat back and reread my posts (several times) but I didn't get what you got. I'm not saying it couldn't possibly be misinterpreted that way; I'm saying I don't see exactly how.

My second post was a behind the scenes look at the person in question. It didn't involve his current situation because that had NOTHING to do with what I wanted to point out. I specifically wanted to explain how he didn't appear to be a colorist and he seemed to deeply respect, desire, and admire bona fide/darkskinned black women. I felt it was noteworthy to oppose the notion that his color preference equals bad taste. Not being a colorist and admiring darkskinned women is different from having bad taste. It's important for that distinction to be made and I saw an opportunity to do so.

My third post was in response to a poster who inquired about my appearance and demeanor on the night in question............. I responded.

***What baffles me---is why would you not "fuck it" when it's the most vulnerable, most unprotected girls (the dark ones) being exploited and abused again?***

I agree with you that some people are like Chris -- it's not about his color preference. But, for a lot of people, more than we may feel comfortable acknowledging, it's all about his color preference. For that reason I don't have a lot to say. I'm not worried because he'll have his day in court; and, trust me, whitey could care less about what we have or don't have to say. Either way he'll get what he deserves.

***Why wouldn't you want to see them get justice and be very vocal about that?***

I'd like to see justice, yes.

***...you never outright called him a "creep" or a "molestor" or anything bad.***

Everybody saw the tape.... (except me)

Lastly, I do apologize to you, the rest of the posters, and the readers I may have offended. At the same time I honestly believe that most of what I did was piss off a bunch of high yellow women... that's all. Anyway, thanks for defending me. I'll try to be a little more careful.

Tonya

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Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 04:03 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tonya you are CRAZXY!! :-)

You don't have to apologize to us.

We just wanted to be CLEAR on your opinion.

You may have came back and said---"that's right, I want my man an yall back off!" LOL

Please don't feel bullied by me.

I'm your friend and I usually agree with most of what you feel...I feel it, too.

I just wanted you to silence the "lurkers" who blow up my email.

Just be yourself.

I love you and I'm so grateful that you even post on my board. :-)



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Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 11:30 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Kola:

I wonder what is taking so long? It doesn't take this long to try a capital murder case.

I hope he gets the max.

Tonya:

Maybe you need to start a column posting your exciting a lurid adventures--all for anthropological and sociological and scientific purposes--of course!
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Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 11:35 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Gotchu, Kola, love you back. And I didn't feel you were bullying me. I actually thought it was funny and from the start I knew where you were coming from.
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Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 11:37 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

HaHa! You'd love that, wouldn't you, Chris!
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Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 11:48 am:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tonya:

Juicy! Juicy!
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Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 12:41 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Since we're still on the subject there is a paragragh I'm itching to revise:

Once the tapes were discovered, his freedom in jeopardy, and the news became global, people (who already knew) began piling on him left and right -- you better believe many who started piling were those who couldn't stand his *PREFERENCE* to begin with. How many "sistahs" - of all skin tones and from all backrounds - were in utter disbelief, in a loss for words, and thoroughly beside themselves...... And, how many of these socalled brothas simply shook their heads while wondering why Kelly was "slippin"? Do you think any of them were concerned about the emotional well-being of these young black victims... Hell, no!!! DUE TO HIS SKIN COLOR PREFERENCE, Kelly lost their "respect", and obviously his mind; therefore he's getting what he deserves....

Tonya
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Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 03:23 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Not denying the skin color issue, but adding to it: I think many were more disgusted by the pee-pee thing than anything related to skin tone.

Especially with abuse of girls/women the thought among many is that it is not such a big deal: It is "just sex." (Versus sexual abuse of boys/men by men which is seen as not normal.) But when the pee-pee stuff came out...There is a limit to the level of kink many are willing to accept. And also the thought that "real men" don't waste sex-time pee-peeing on women.

Just some additional food for thought. (Or, drink, as the case may be.)
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Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 03:45 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Not denying the skin color issue, but adding to it: I think many were more disgusted by the pee-pee thing than anything related to skin tone.



I totally agree.

And I actually think skin tone has very little to do with it unless you're dealing with hip hop fans in that clique.

Most of the people I talk to haven't seen ANY of the girls and could care less about what they look like.

All they know is....HE PISSED ON A BLACK GIRL and videotaped it.



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The least "R-ruh", as he is known in Chicago, could've done in this "golden showers" scenario was to let the girl pee on him.
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Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 05:12 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Whether fans, in a clique, a part of the industry, or not, those who understand hip hop, including it's colorist practices; and was able to gauge this from that vantage point....... are the masses.

The "pee-pee thing" just made it "news"... and, I'm willing to bet my bottom dollar that it entertained more people than it turned-off.

Tonya
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Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 05:28 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

TONYA,

a lot of black folks...who are into gospel music; Yolanda Adams fans for instance...and number in the millions

are TOTALLY not thinking along your lines.

There are MILLIONS of elderly black folks, black immigrants who are CITIZENS.....and Black FEMINIST women

not to mention----more than a few Black Men in Chicago who have been calling for this man to be brought down

...and none of them are interested in his victims being "dark brown girls".

And PLEASE---I saw the video. That girl and the other girls aren't even THAT DARK.

You consider Ailiyah dark?

These girls (the one in Miami and the one in Chicago) look like Ashanti.

They're pretty brown girls.




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Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 06:16 pm:   Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

****a lot of black folks...who are into gospel music; Yolanda Adams fans for instance...and number in the millions****

Whether we like it or not, Hip hop is not just music -- it's a culture. There's an extremely large number of people (more than just a few million) who don't listen to the music, yet understand the culture.

***And PLEASE---I saw the video. That girl and the other girls aren't even THAT DARK.... They're pretty brown girls.***

Kola, the video isn't even a portion of it. In fact, I haven't even seen the video. And I'm not saying all of them were dark; many were indeed brown and light. But the fact that darkskinned women were included in his circle made Kelly's Color preference a hot issue, loooong before the tapes surfaced.

Finally, I'm not saying some people are not sincerely concerned about this issue. I'm concerned, many of the adult members of my family were concerned, especailly the older ones.

Having said that, there is NO way Dave Chappelle would've been on the air the next morning after airing a lengthy, detailed, comedy skit, in which a DARKSKINNED little girl was getting peed on, had this all happened to a buch of white or middle class lightskinned/non black girls. NO WAY!

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But the fact that darkskinned women were included in his circle made Kelly's Color preference a hot issue, loooong before the tapes surfaced.

I just don't believe this, TONYA.

To me...you're ignoring the fact that a huge number of people have made R. Kelly's CDs million sellers throughout this trial...have made him TWICE as popular as he was before the trial began.

He's been hired by all the top stars over the last 18 months to PRODUCE and WRITE tracks on their Cds.

If anything, the HIP HOP community has been showing him much love and support.

So it's not adding up.

As for the Dave Chappelle Show----Black men have been openly degrading us and calling us bitches and ho's ON THE RADIO and on BET....24/7....for 25 years now.

Tupac Shakur was into Dark black women.

Ludicrous has been seen with more than one dark black woman.

Kanye West has also been seen out with dark chocolate beauties.

Nobody shut these men out of the hip hop world for it.

I'm not getting this whole idea that they close ranks on anyone who dates/prefers a dark skinned woman.

In fact....I've noticed the opposite. Where they're hoping SOMEBODY will take the heat off the rest of their asses by PROVING that they're not all colorstruck.

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***So it's not adding up.***

It's adding up you're just not following it correctly:

People actually wonder why much of the masses are looking the other way. It's been said that they're feeble-minded, uneducated, don't read, ignorant, and flat out misinformed.... But (like always) those of us who are still in the thick of it can spot antipathy and a pile of self-hating bullshit before it even gets cold. - Tonya Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2005 - 10:16 pm

I don't agree with his record sales, but that's why he's still selling records. Let's not forget, the masses includes a buch of darkskinned, brown, and poor black women, the very women Kelly lost "respect" over. Also, and perhaps more significantly, he can sing and he's EXTREMELY talented. Had his carrer not taken a hit, no doubt, he'd be on the level of some of the legends by now. So as far as black men are concerned, they support his talent, but that does not mean they respect his preferences.

***He's been hired by all the top stars over the last 18 months to PRODUCE and WRITE tracks on their Cds.... If anything, the HIP HOP community has been showing him much love and support.***

CHA-CHING! He's selling records. But when's the last time you've *SEEN* him coupled with another super star, win an award, been on a televised tour, featured in ads ect..... Sure, you can say that this is because he's in a lot of hot water, but my point is: where's the love? That nigga's selling records -- it's a business; and, as I said, if it were not for his talent and the masses (a bunch of insulted poor, brown/darkskinned females) Kelly would be out of business.

***As for the Dave Chappelle Show----Black men have been openly degrading us and calling us bitches and ho's ON THE RADIO and on BET....24/7....for 25 years now.***

Why did they choose a darskinned female? When's the last time a darkskinned female had a job in hollywood, especially while being sexually tied to a Hip Hop icon? Could it be that they were purposely highlighting Kelly's skin color choices, for entertainment value??? Book it.

***I'm not getting this whole idea that they close ranks on anyone who dates/prefers a dark skinned woman.***

Kola, please. I'm not talking about the KEEN FEATURED darkskinned sistahs -- when a high powered black man (especially a Hip Hop icon) is seen with bona fide looking darkskinned women, like the ones Kelly was kicking it with, he automatically loses STATUS - no matter how beautiful she is. Kelly lost "respect" i.e. STATUS; which affected the way he was viewed by "brothas" and "sistahs" who "knew" he could do better, and thought he was trippin. These "brothas" and "sistahs" did/do not represent the sum total of the masses; in fact, many of them were from the middle & upper classes -- and the rest were dealers, ballers, playahs, and golddiggers -- not the masses.

***In fact....I've noticed the opposite. Where they're hoping SOMEBODY will take the heat off the rest of their asses by PROVING that they're not all colorstruck.***

That's because stone cold bitches like you and others are raising their voices.... Things are changing.... Thanks to you and Marita Golden, mostly.



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Grrrrrl, I don't know honey.

But I know one thing--I had to go to COURT with a lawyer

...to keep my essay "The Authentic Black Men" from being tossed out of my autobiography.

It's a letter to my sons that they're supposed to read when they turn 21. My answer to the Willie Lynch letter.

And I don't know if Black America is ready for that essay---but it sure is coming out.

THASS WHY....

I truly am going to need real true sisters to support this book.....because it's pure black bitch confrontation, with NO APOLOGIES

and that's why I've been trying to calm down lately,

because I know the beat down I may be about to receive.

Not just from Black men, but Black women because of the chapter called "Diary of a Lost Girl"---which is about the Authentic black woman being forced to live in the shadows of the Imitation black women.

I may not even have my discussion board after this book drops, Tonya. So PLEASE...PLEASE tell everybody to support this one on GP.

Cause I'm coming HARD as the rappers say

---and as before

there will be black men and women coming to my book events next spring...looking to kick my ass.

Which is no joke.







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See Why you teasing me! I purposely didn't read the chapters you posted cuz I knew it would be a tease and I want to wait until I get the whole book in my hand. It's dropping this month, right?

"I'm coming HARD.... NO APOLOGIES"

Oh, Lord! LOL!!!

But don't worry, me and my girls will be backing you up. Just like your books were recommended to me by a female friend, I've recommended all your books to every female I know; and they all know about "Diary". This is probably going on all around the country - black females recommending your books to other black females; so don't worry about them kicking your ass at the book event (LOL) -- we got your back.

Tonya
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The book is listed for Dec. 27th

But it won't be out until about Jan. 10th

Unfortunately, I'm on DOOR OF KUSH---a very slow black publishing house, but if it weren't for them, I'd be nowhwere.

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I remember reading a Black female writer commenting on the R.Kelly case. She said, "If R.kelly would have molested children that looked like the Olsen Twins they would have had to put his ass in protective services (meaning someone would have seriously hurt him). And if the child in question would have been a BOY (black or White) we would have had him on 20/20 so fast his head would spend................... but because the child is question is a Black GIRL, no one seems to care"!

And this seems to be true. More AA's have stopped standing behind R.KELLY because of his Jay -Z fued than when they heard the news about the tapes and him pissing on children.

I also remember quite angrily a similar instance when Eminiem had an old song out "dissing Black girls". Of course Black male friends were in the background agging him on! Of all the Black men in the hip hop world, NO ONE, AND I MEAN NO ONE stood up for Black women's honor!!! (including other female Black artist). "Eminem's cool with Black people. He didn't mean it" they all said.

No fast forward around 2 months later when Eminem does a video making fun of Michael Jackson and the Child molestation charge he had at the time. BET, YANKED THE VIDEO FROM ROTATION.

Insulting Black women, people that gave Bob Johnson, 50 Cent, Russel Simmons' etc LIFE, wasn't a big enough deal to yank Eminem. Insulting MJ did it!

Its truly amazing!
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***More AA's have stopped standing behind R.KELLY because of his Jay -Z fued than when they heard the news about the tapes and him pissing on children.***

That's also true, Afroamerican. And if you noticed, the rest of these Hip Hop icons may not be pissing on little girls, but they damn sure don't have a problem pissing on women in general. I'm sure you've heard some of the lyrics. Remember when Biggie Smalls was on his CD bragging about sh*tting on some female?........... SH*TTING!?!?!

So, this pissin and shittin on black women have been going on for years -- I'm just sorry it had to happen to a baby; and I wish they'd stop mistreating black women completely!



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They won't stop.

They have to be made to stop.







Black women have to create a son who will MAKE them stop.

I don't know how many decades it's going to take for them to figure that out.




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