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Kola
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Post Number: 1537
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This is the world that "I" Kola
come from and remember.
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"African Mothers Brave
Croccodile Attacks to Feed Children"
2005/5/30
By Peter Apps MPONDE, Malawi, Reuters
Malawian women are risking crocodile attacks to fetch water lilies for food after a sudden rain failure early in the year destroyed key crops leaving 7 million short of food across southern Africa.
Compounding the ravages of AIDS, an unexpected dry spell in February and March as the staple maize crop ripened left some areas of Malawi with no crop at all. Villagers face a hard year living on sparse food stocks and whatever else they can scavenge from the land if they are to survive until the 2006 harvest. "I go to the river three times a week," said 20-year-old Ruth Piso who walks some 20 km (12 miles) to the river to fetch water lilies to make a porridge for her three children, even though crocodiles have cost other villagers their lives.
"We are worried, but we are forced to by hunger."
Last year, local leaders say two people died of hunger in a neighboring village, and they fear this year may be worse. Aid workers say the limited crop harvested in recent weeks will not last long even though it should have lasted a whole year. In Piso's village in the southern Chikawa district, many children are listless and visibly malnourished after years of shortages, and locals say this year's crop is already exhausted.
"This should be their time of plenty," said Penelope Howarth, who runs the United Nations World Food Program (WFP) operations in southern Malawi, as she drove past dead maize plants and parched fields where locals had hoped to grow rice.
"We rely on the water plants, but it is not our usual food," local mayor Benson Kamangira told Reuters. "The problem is the crocodiles. They eat many people. Last year, they took two people from the village and one from the neighboring village."
HERE IS THE HEAD of a "cheetah"
that was attacked by a Crocodile
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"Crocodile Attacks on
the Rise for
Nile River Mothers"
Sudan, June 2nd, 2005
A woman and two young children were eaten by a crocodile on the banks of Sudan's Blue Nile River, last week.
The woman and two children aged 3 and 5 were attacked by the crocodile as they were walking along the bank in search of food.
The scene was witnessed by a school teacher who said that the woman, 42 years of age, had gone to fetch some water from the river where she used to wash the family’s clothes. Making the family’s tragedy worse, the two girls were her daughters.
The crocodile has been attacking goats, pigs and oxen drinking at the site in recent weeks. Despite their clumsy appearance, crocodiles can reach speeds of up to 35 km./hour in short bursts on land, a fact unknown to many who allow them to get too close. A favourite ploy by the crocodile is to approach silently, in the water, and suddenly charge up the bank or shore, dragging its prey into the water, where it is torn apart before it is devoured.
Although the eastern flank of Sudan has been
relatively safe and peaceful for the South's black
mothers, authorities say there's been a rise
in Croc attacks on the Blue Nile as Sudanese
women experience a severe man shortage caused
by the civil war between Sudan's Arabic North
and its ancient Southern tribes. With their
husbands missing in action and their sons either
drafted into militia bands or crippled, the
women are forced to seek food to feed their
children, and are not often familiar with the
dangers that lay outside the villages.
Timothy BANCROFT-HINCHEY
PRAVDA.Ru
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MPUMALANGA
Mpuma teen snatched by croc
Posted 10 May 2005
The search continued on Tuesday for 15-year-old Fanyana Mthetwa, who was snatched by a crocodile in the Malelane district on Saturday, Mpumalanga police said.
The missing girl had been fishing with other young mothers on the banks of the Crocodile River on Carbonka Farm when a crocodile lunged from the water and grabbed her, Inspector Leonard Hlathi said.
She reappeared from under the water three times but then disappeared. Employees of the Mpumalanga Parks Board and the police have been searching for Mthetwa since then.
According to Hlathi, that stretch of the river is infested with crocodiles making it impossible to enter the water in the search, but the young mothers who brave the waterway say they have no other way to feed their children.
Sapa
Iafrica.com
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Limpopo woman killed by crocodile
Posted 09 June 2005
A woman died on Sunday morning after being attacked by a crocodile at the Letaba river outside Giyani in Limpopo, police reported.
Police spokesperson Captain Moatshe Ngoepe said the woman was fishing with several other mothers from the bank of the river when the crocodile grabbed her and pulled her into the water.
Her friends ran back to the village for help.
The crocodile bit the woman on the neck and hand and tore flesh from her buttocks, said Ngoepe. It then let go, but when villagers arrived and pulled the woman from the water, she was already dead.
It was not clear whether she died from blood loss or from the bite to the neck, said Ngoepe.
Sapa
Iafrica.com
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THIS FOOTNOTE IS SHOCKING:
Desert-Adapted Crocs Found in Africa
Hillary Mayell
for National Geographic News
June 18, 2002
The discovery of several small communities of crocodiles living on the southern edge of Africa's Sahara in desert conditions has astonished scientists.
Crocodiles rarely venture far from water. But the crocodiles in Mauritania are living in caves, burrows, and under rocks, near wetlands that dry up and disappear for months at a time.
"It's a really unusual, unexpected, and quite special find," said James Perran Ross, executive director of a crocodile specialist group of the IUCN-World Conservation Union and a research scientist at the Florida Museum of Natural History.
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Kola
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Post Number: 1540
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There is no END...to the bravery and love
of the Black Woman.
Of course, the MEDIA has no
use for stories about Brave Africans
or
beautiful black women
who love their children so
deeply
they would become
daredevils.
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Abm
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Post Number: 3455
Registered: 04-2004
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Kola,
I guess there's no point of my asking where are the men while these women and children brave crocodile attacks. |
Moonsigns
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Abm,
I'm wondering the same thing--where are all the men?
Sad, sad stuff! |
Chrishayden
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Abm and Moonsigns:
I guess dey is layin' 'round on de corner sippin' wine---sarcasm here.
According to the article there is a man shortage due to the civil war. Either the men are dead, in prison camps, running for their lives or at the front.
Really children you must learn to read these things closely and not just scan them. Sometimes it helps to print them out.
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Kola
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ABM, didn't you read the article for SUDAN?
The men have been killed off by the war and other ravages.
One thing we mustn't do...when reading an article about Africa is assume that it's about ALL of that area.
Although several women are in this situation----HUNDREDS of MILLIONS more women are protected and have men supporting them.
As my friend from BOTSWANA said, she has never seen "starving" people in her country or people with no clothes and shoes---until she came to America and that's ALL they show about her country.
It's like showing focusing on the Red Light district of any American city and saying----"THIS IS AMERICA"----and that's all.
Africa is greatly mis-presented by the U.S. media, which is why I insist---the blacks in Africa are STILL better off than the blacks in America.
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But I do remember as a child going to catch Perch in the mornings with my father and all the things we would do to ward off crocodiles.
Now that I'm an adult AND an American---I can't believe that I was actually out there fishing like that---holding a stick with a rock on the end and batting the crocodiles on the nose so that my father could spear and net-drag the fish. I wouldn't DARE do it now, anymore than I would eat my childhood breakfast of deep fried locusts.
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Cynnique
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Would you elaborate as to why you think Blacks in Africa are better off than the ones here, Kola? Are you suggesting that aid to African countries is unnecessary because things are not as they are pictured in the media? |
Kola
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Blacks are better off in Africa for several reasons.
#1---just because people are very poor (as I was), doesn't mean that THEY KNOW they are poor. Especially in areas without T.V. and media---it can be WONDERFUL living the way that I witnessed so many happy Sudanese living (the Dinka, Nuer and Shilluk ESPECIALLY)--very simple and incredibly spiritual in a "natural" rather than organized sense. The "city dwellers" were always so JEALOUS of the laid back happy lives of the rural tribes.
#2---The Africans have their own Countries. They have the possibility of some day getting it together---and there is no glass ceiling on how high they could go politically, as with Blacks in America.
#3---Africans are IMMERSED in their own culture, their own languages, their own beauty, their own societies. It's far superior to living in a society where you are forced into a "Double Consciousness" and dictated to by a Dominant Culture that doesn't allow you to be yourself.
#4----There are MILLIONS of Africans who never come into contact with Whites or Other Races, and therefore, they have no concept of "RACE". Everyone in the world is "BLACK" and that is the only thing---so you experience the nirvana of living in a race-less society where it's the INDIVIDUAL and their devotion to the tribe or family that is focused on.
#5----Africa, remains, the RICHEST paradise on earth for Natural Resources, and if given enough FOREIGN AID could easily develop a Super-Power (like North Korea, Pakistan, Japan, Israel, Iran and China have become through Foreign Aid)....but of course....that is why the WEST keeps the people with a "niggerized/colonized mind" through hand outs and bribery and kill off any "good" leaders who are for the people.
Nigeria and South Africa have both in the last 7 years, sent SATELLITES into space--but soon after they did that, the Europeans pull strings and CLOSED DOWN the "Space Programs" in both Nigeria and South Africa----threatening to cut off AID if they persisted in their space programs.
This is why I support Mugabe in kicking the WHITES OUT of his country. He is too right! And he doesn't care how much his people have to suffer to get rid of the Whites. I agree with him on that one point---that we blacks must be willing to suffer WITHOUT our welfare check if we want true long term change and self-determination.
Don't you agree, Cynique?
#6) Until you've felt the African MOONLIGHT touch your skin---the way sunlight does in summer---you haven't been baptized.
#7) The sheer endless and EPIC beauty of the African continent--the soulfulness and spirituality of the jungles, rivers and forests----the freedom and the feeling for any black person of being "HOME"....is priceless.
#8) When my Black American father went on vacation to Senegal----he couldn't stop talking about how EVERYONE---the plane pilot, the stewardesses, the T.V. anchor people, the Police, the PRESIDENT, the Mayor, the doctors and nurses, the firemen, the people on the streets----EVERYONE was "Black like Him".
He said that he LOVED it just for that.
And lastly---for every SUDAN and every RWANDA and every AIDS CRISIS that the media focuses on---there are HUNDREDS of "Paradises" in Africa. BLACK PARADISES that get no attention, no notice, no publicity.
Most of Africa's 800 million people have enough food, have comfortable living space and are at peace with one another.
Notice that in areas where this is not the case---the WHITE MAN (Arab) was there and has created systems (such as plopping the Oil Companies in South Sudan) that create these unsavory wars and diseases.
THE BRITISH are the ones who brought the Arabs into SUDAN and set them up as rulers----the BRITISH are the ones who Arabized EGYPT and they destroyed INDIA. The EUROPEANS are the ones who gave goods and services to "one tribe"---in exchange for that tribe declaring war on another tribe.
They have ALWAYS set us against each other---promoted bastardization (which breaks down unity)---financed the Warlords to terrorize the people----moved WHOLE villages and tribes to dig up diamonds, oil, everything under the sun and NEVER shared the profits with the people who were born in that land from day of creation.
The Green Monkey has lived in Africa for 200,000 years....yet only in the last 30 has he suddenly and mysteriously become the host of "AIDS".....and Africans have been doing every kind of freaky sex under the sun since before the Caucasoids existed---yet all of a sudden, "AIDS" is being heralded as some natural disease that was.....always there.
Yeah, right.
But it's the squeaking wheel that gets the grease.
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Abm
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I did scan, not read, the article (sorry. Busy morning.).
Kola.
You last posting is BRILLANT! Absolutely...BRILLANT! 
It's the reason why at some point YOU might be deemed the very 'deity' you pursue.
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I read about this Kola:
Nigeria and South Africa have both in the last 7 years, sent SATELLITES into space--but soon after they did that, the Europeans pull strings and CLOSED DOWN the "Space Programs" in both Nigeria and South Africa----threatening to cut off AID if they persisted in their space programs.
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Kola
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Hi Slow Poke.
Yes, when people give you AID, they dictate how you spend it.
The North Koreans, for eternity, have TRICKED the WEST and covered up what they were really spending their money on.
Now BUSH and Co. wants to go to war! LOL
Too late.
This is why the AMOUNT of money given by the Whites to AFRICAN nations is SOOOOO SMALL in comparison to what they give ISRAEL and PAKISTAN and used to give JAPAN.
They dont' want an African nation to build Nuclear Power or to create Chemist Labs and other SCIENCE MEANS that would give them a footing.
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Abm
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"They dont' want an African nation to build Nuclear Power or to create Chemist Labs and other SCIENCE MEANS that would give them a footing."
Yet the US has over 10,000 nuclear bombs and nearly 20% of US power is produced via nuclear energy.
"...the Europeans pull strings and CLOSED DOWN the "Space Programs" in both Nigeria and South Africa----threatening to cut off AID if they persisted in their space programs."
Yeah the earth's stratosphere is littered with American made/designed satellites and has spent BILLIONS on a faulty 'star wars' defense program.
These are the reasons why Blacks can't take these 'charitable' efforts from the West (including those from White Rock-n-Rollers) too seriously. Because the warm apple pie is always laced with strychnine. |
Cynnique
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Yes, Kola, your prose is beautiful. But I am just as appreciative of being in my natural element here where I am, immersed in my indigenous environment. All I have to do is go sit in my back yard, and soak up sun and watch birds, and see the flowers I have planted start to bloom, and all is right with my world. And in the course of a year, there is nothing like watching the seasons change, like seeing green summer leaves turn to autumn red and gold, or from the warmth of a cozy room, look through a window and watch snow flakes fall and turn the ground white. I do not hear the call of a far-off place but I do become one with the murmur of a good old midwestern wind blowing through the tall elm trees that guard my home. Africa is not my land nor is England nor France nor Ireland. I am were I belong. And I am well aware that the best things in life are free. |
Kola
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But Cynique,
WHERE did I ever write that YOU would be better off in Africa?
Do you see ME going back to live in Africa????
No---I'm too Americanized to survive there now.
But the fact remains, Africa is a better MODEL for Black living worldwide, and for those already living there, it's the best place they could be.
The White Media tries to make us belive otherwise, but there is MORE GOOD ABOUT AFRICA...than BAD...which means that there is a great POTENTIAL for Africa's future.
Just because the Africans are so suffering so miserably, doesn't mean they should give up.
Nobody said anything about you OR ME going to Africa-----in fact, I believe that blacks like you and I can do more for Africa---by BEING HERE and BEING AWARE of what they need done.
OPRAH, who is building schools and hospitals in South Africa and has brought BLACK nappy DOLLS to South African children, is proof of that.
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Cynnique
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Are you saying the media is suggesting that Africans leave their homeland and go live in other countries because they would be better off someplace else? And when you say that Africa is the best model for black living world wide, how else can this be interpreted other than that all blacks should adopt the African way of life. Hurry and answer before ABM jumps in and formats the subject to his viewpoint. |
Kola
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No, Cynique.
I'm saying that the MEDIA doesn't want AMERICAN BLACKS (or Westerners) to want to "be black and proud" or to wish to "identify as African"----by showing them images, ALWAYS, of Africans suffering, Africans killing, raping, etc.
They promote negative stereotypes and attitudes towards Africans just as they do Black Americans.
And what I meant by the African model being best----is that BLACKS of any type live happier and most freely in the company of other blacks. As my father pointed out after returning from SENEGAL. He said that he would love it if Blacks in the U.S. could just have 3 states all to themselves to govern, love and fight with their own kind---separate from White America. He has NEVER stopped bragging on his trip to Senegal and the way BLACK MEN were in charge of EVERYTHING top to bottom.
NOTE that Zora Hurston and Toni Morrison have espoused the same ideas, saying that it's better for Blacks to have their own All-Black world.
Imagine a Black version of the world's best places to live economically----SWEDEN or NORWAY.
Certain countries in Africa are like that---truly Paradises.
One thing I AM saying is that Blacks throughout the Diaspora must never forget is that no matter where you go-----you are an African. You take Africa with you.
We must all learn to BENEFIT from our "shared blackness"---the way that Whites and Asians and Latinos benefit from their shared heritage.
It would be our best strategy, to stick together under the umbrella of race and color.
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Abm
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Kola,
You gottah understand. To SOME Black foks, the most terrifying thought of all is to be freed from massah. |
Cynnique
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Kola, how else can you generate an awareness of the need for other nations to help the sick and impoverished in African countries unless you use the media to show images of the where this is true? And it's so easy to fall back on the old stock arguments claiming that all the media show are negative images of blacks in this country, when actually, I see members of America's black minority depicted in all manner of ways in the media on a daily basis. And, of course, it is debatable as to whether blacks would do better living among themselves, separate from the dominate society. Doing so certainly wouldn't eliminate the problems of class and color and might even exacerbate these differences. As for Zora and Toni's stances, Zora is of another era and I don't see Toni Morrison practicing what she preaches. Furthermore, everything these 2 advocate isn't sacrosanct. Their beliefs are not above being challenged. |
Abm
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Kola, how else can you generate an awareness of the need for other nations to help the sick and impoverished in African countries unless you use the media to show images of the where this is true?
The West focuses exclusively on African problems, not their virtues and successes. Africa has economies that are growing. And is attempting to formulate a continental governing entity equivalent to that of the EU. Yet you NEVER read of that in the NYT and Washington Post. Really. What the White press does is a grotesque form of pornography that allows White to 'get-off' on feeling better about their Whiteness.
And it's so easy to fall back on the old stock arguments claiming that all the media show are negative images of blacks in this country, when actually, I see members of America's black minority depicted in all manner of ways in the media on a daily basis.
Yes. There is a more balanced presentation of AA life. Still. If you believed everything you witnessed in the dominant media, you'd think Blacks were America's only killers, drug dealers, thieves and rapists. And you live in Chicago. Lemme ask you a question: Do you EVER see ANY reporting in the Sun-times or Tribune of Chinese, East Indian and Middle Eastern Chicagoans committing acts of rape, domestic violence, theft and murder? Come on! Do you HONESTLY believe that NONE of that's occurring in THOSE communities?
And, of course, it is debatable as to whether blacks would do better living among themselves, separate from the dominate society. Doing so certainly wouldn't eliminate the problems of class and color and might even exacerbate these differences.
<shakingmyhead> Kola. Thank GOD you've come!
As for Zora and Toni's stances, Zora is of another era and I don't see Toni Morrison practicing what she preaches. Furthermore, everything these 2 advocate isn't sacrosanct. Their beliefs are not above being challenged.
The word of NO human being is above reproach. But Zora and Toni might have been inclined to indulge more of what they've espoused IF the majority of us thought very DIFFERENTLY from YOU. |
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In answer to your question about what is run in Chicago's daily newspapers, the answer to your question is a loud yes! Anything that is sensationalistic and lurid is played up in the news regardless of the ethnicity of the perpetrators. Right now Mayor Daley is being castigated as a corrupt leader of a political machine lining the pockets of Hispanic, Italian and Irish patronage workers. And, whose fault is it that the majority of people think like I do instead of like Toni and Zora? I notice Toni by-passed Oprah's bash honoring outstanding black women so she could rush over to France and participate as a judge at Cannes film festival honoring a bunch of white independent film makers. And Zora sold her soul to Charlotte Mason, a white patron of the arts who dictated Zora's every move. Before you place certain blacks on a pedestal, you need to put them in the context of their totality. |
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Cynique, there is one blaring thing bothing me.
Why did I not know about Nigeria and South Africa launching satellites into outer space?
That's a pretty major news event in my book.
It seems to me that when there's a negative story about Africans, it gets blasted all over the media for days and days, yet I never even conceived that countries in Africa had space programs! I mean, I had no idea that Africa still had Kings and Queens who rule over thousands of people as South Africa's recently departed Rain Queen did. Why is the media so biased in what stories about Africa get covered?
As for Zora, she said that being raised in an all-black town gave her a perspective about herself that she could not have achieved in those days in a segregated setting. She was staunchly opposed to integration, as Morrison seems to be as well, and yet being a believer in separate but equal does not mean that blacks cannot have friendships with whites.
Obviously Zora and Morrison have many close relationships with whites, yet prefer to have the security of their own world to go back to. As Morrison wrote: "Only Blacks are asked to transcend race. No one else." I agree with her.
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Cynnique
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I'm not sure blacks are asked to transcend race. Their blackness is too visible to expect them to aspire rising above it. If anything, whites want blacks to stay in their place. And maybe black people have to be more selective in their reading. I knew about the space programs mentioned and was also aware that there are still black kings and queens on the continent. I read a lot of magazines and watch a lot of TV documentaries. The information is out there, but it's not headline news; one has to ferret it out. |
Abm
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Cynique,
Do you see enough of those kinds of stories to assume MOST "Hispanic, Italian and Irish" are stealing money to the degree you hear/read of the MANY alleged evils of Blacks? And, HELL, Daley's cronies have been robbing Chi-town blind for over 15 years! Lemme ask you another question: What kind of new-fangled prison would they have built to bury Daley under were he...BLACK?
And I don't recall putting Toni and Zora on a "pedestal".
Nadine,
The very LAST thing on earth CERTAIN foks want is for Blacks to become competitive in science and technology.
They'd suffer a million Fiffy Cent's before they will ONE African 'Einstein'.
Because if/when Blacks en masse eschew 'pimpin'/ballin' for MATH/PHYSICS, THEIR reign will be over. |
Cynnique
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Yes I do see enough stories to assume negative things about other nationalities. Chicago has always been notorious for the graft and corruption among the Irish and the Italians and the Polish. Chicago is where there are more black TV anchors than white ones, where the Bears' coach is black, where the Chicago Cubs coach is black, where the White Sox GM is black, where the school superintendent is half black, where the Cook County board chairman is black, where Oprah Winfrey reigns supreme, where Barak Obama's career was launched, where the fire Commissioner is black and the recently-retired Poice superintendant was black, and where most of the surnames appearing in negative news stories are Hispanic because they now outnumber blacks in Chicago. Yes, Chicago is still racist but it prefer to keep this fact out of the news and as a result blacks are not disproportionately depicted as rapists and crooks in the media. And we're not talking about how many prisons are being built. We're talking about how blacks are portrayed in the Chicago media. And I never said YOU put Zora and Toni on a pedestal because my post was directed to Kola. |
Kola
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Because if/when Blacks en masse eschew 'pimpin'/ballin' for MATH/PHYSICS, THEIR reign will be over.
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ABM you keep saying that. I think you have a very valid point and Chinweizu has written several essays (too boring for me to read) asserting the same opinion.
I am dreadfully terrible with Math, Science and such---but I will begin to incorporate the importance of those weapons into my own art.
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Kola
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Cynique, perhaps I do put Zora and Toni on a pedestal.
I think the reason, obviously, is because their thinking is powerfully and obviously "Black Womanish"---in an African sense and in a Competent sense.
In Africa--we are losing that eternal voice.
And since it is through the White Woman that the White Man rules the world...I long for the days when through the Black Woman, the Black Man stood fearlessly on his own, the King of the World. Zora and Toni, in so many words, always seem to be saying the same thing to me.
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Abm
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Cynique,
So you think MOST Irish, Italians and Polish foks are corrupt, graft grubbing scum?
No you don't.
But you're right: Chicago's got MORE than it's fairshare of Black (mostly FEMALE) TV anchors (I got a hankerin' for me some Alison Payne something-kinda-awful!).
And Chicago's done a credible job of hiring Black coaches. That's very RECENT...but fair.
But does all you cite counter the negative stereotyping?
Does Diane Burns and Warner Saunders supplant the 'legend' of the Black welfare queen (although MOST public aid recipients are WHITE) and drug addict (though Whites are, by some reports, more likely to consume illegal narcotics than Blacks)?
And do you HONESTLY think when most non-Black Chicagoans think about Blacks, Oprah and Obama come to mind?
The ONLY reason the (NEW) fire commissioner is Black is to counter the fact that the CFD is less than 10% Black (in a city who's most populous ethnic group is Black) and tapes were released of White firemen spewing racist commentary.
If you do NOT believe that negative news reporting in Chicago is disproportionately Black, then I guess that explains it all. |
Abm
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Kola,
If they have the talent/inclination, PLEASE urge your sons to pursue excellence in math/science.
PLEASE! |
Kola
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Many times, without enough dynamic women in his circle---a man cannot rise.
It takes a certain narcissism and confidence and a pinch of "wantonness" for a woman to be dynamic fully within herself. Of course, "love" and "honesty" have to be in it.
Toni and Zora are those kind of women--and we need to replenish our daughters after slavery and colonialism has zapped them into Maid-minded follower drones.
This is why I bear my breasts---to signal to black women that it's time for us to wake up, to be liberated from all our "stations" and "roles". To bring into the world..our very own essence for a change.
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Kola
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LOL , ABM.
It's funny. Thomas is a whiz at Algebra and my oldest son wants to be a Space Man (Cosmonaut?) and he's like a little Math and Science Whiz.
My baby son just likes to be physical outdoors.
They're nothing like me--
---but then again, so very pleasing to me.
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Abm
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Kola,
See. As POWERFUL as the White man is, his power can turn on but a few Black discoveries.
Imagine what would happen if a 19 year old Blue-Black girl who was born in abject poverty in Darfur effectively obliterated Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity.
IMAGINE how THAT feat might affect the thinking of people, not just in African but throughout the world.
Imagine if a young brothah who grew up dodging drive-by bullets in South Central LA cured AIDS!
Imagine THAT $#*+!
THAT would do more to uplift Black foks than every song, jumpshot and touchdown scored by Blacks over the last 100 years...times 10! |
Abm
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Kola,
You're sons are VERY much like you! That creative spirit within you is just manifesting differently within your sons.
There's LITTLE difference between the scientist and the artist. Why?
Because they both are discovers. |
Kola
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True, ABM. True.
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Kola
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Abm
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Kola,
*grinninglikethepervertIam* |
Cynnique
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Yes, I am guilty of harboring stereotypes about other ethnic groups. And all of these other hypenated Americans are doing a very good job of committing the crimes that earn just as much ink as blacks. And gimme a break. The welfare queen myth dates back 25 years ago, and is almost a joke now because nobody really takes it seriously any more. Most people know that welfare cheats come in all colors. I'm done with this subject. |
Abm
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Cynique,
Yes indeed. You are "done". |
Cynnique
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Believe me it's not because you made any salient points. I'm done because I'm tired of wasting my time arguing with a an inconsistent fascillator. |
Moonsigns
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Chris,
Slap my hands....slap my hands.
There may be a man shortage due to war and such, but are they ALL truly GONE? Seems as if there are still young children being fathered--there at least have to be couple men. Even if there are only 3-5 in a village, can't ONE of them take on the duty of fishing and washing, just ONE?
That's my logic, but then again, I know I'm extremely FAR removed from a such a situation.
*humblybackingaway*
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Kola
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MOON--you make a valid point.
It's very sad, and I have ALWAYS said that if more black women thought as much of themselves as White women think of THEMSELVES---we would produce better men.
The truth is....knowing African women....the MEN are fed FIRST, before women and children, and they are pampered and busy fucking the youngest girls in the tribe.
Worldwide, Black women are good for that shit.
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Moonsigns
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Kola,
Worldwide, I think if ALL women had equal access to quality healthcare, contraception, and education, it would change the "face" of oppression as we "see" it.
A lot of women are trapped. It's very sad.
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Kola
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GUESS WHAT?
I found pictures of the Ashanti King and Queen,
a NUBIAN Queen, one of the Kings of Nigeria
and other African Royalty. I POSTED IT in
this new link of photos from Africa:
http://www.thumperscorner.com/discus/messages/2152/5996.html?1119373532
THE ROYALTY IS TOWARDS THE END.
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Watastar
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Greetings, Beautiful Ones. I see that I am about 5 1/2 years late, but um... it's been a minute since I've been on this wonderful site period. Anyway, I am loving so much of these convos.
Yes, it is very interesting (though not at all surprising)that noone really heard ANYTHING about Nigeria or South Africa launching any satelites into space. Does anyone have a good link for that? |
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