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     Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 14522 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
I'm starting a different post because the discussion veered from the original subject on that marathon post about single black women finding husbands. Troy said: "Nafisa_goma I read your posts. Maybe I mis-understood you. You are right however, I do disagree completely with the activity surrounding the goals described by the following quote: "people/families like Kola Boof's family will exist and will become more robust in their determination to stay black" I may want to keep Brown/Black people, but I would not presume to impose my wishes on my children, their children or their children's children. The world is changing. Few people in America live in isolation from other "racial groups". Preventing people from different groups from mixing is backward thinking. Further, Black women who would go with a man because they refuse to consider someone from another race is silly. This is just as silly as the old laws against mixed marriages. But not nearly as silly as the people who think imposing this idea on others." Kola responded: "I'm a stickler for "Accuracy" when it's "ME" being discussed, so allow me to be specific in replying to what YOU wrote. I don't raise my children telling them that they CANNOT mix, date, etc. with OTHER races. What I do...(along with their father)...is raise my children the same way WHITE PEOPLE and other "ORTHODOX PEOPLE" raise children ---I raise them that THEY are the absolute best representation of Human Kind and that "Cultural Blackness" W/O "Physical Blackness" is a Fraud. FROM BIRTH...my boys were taught that WE value/love nothing more on this earth than Indigenous Africa and all things African. That doesn't mean that we have anything against Chinese, Europeans, whoever--what it means is that we are ALREADY "US" and that is the highest that anyone can achieve. My sons are not allowed to watch television. My sons do not believe that Vin Diesel and Alicia Keys are "Black" people--though they are FANS of both. My sons, now 11 and 9 (about to be 10), have an AFFINITY for "chocolate" skin and they do not know why. They just do. If you show my sons "photos" of beautiful people--they will compliment all races of people for their beauty, but they will conclude that the "darkest" people just naturally "EDGE OUT" everyone else by virtue of being OUR IMAGE. My sons are not racist, hateful, prejudice against any race of fellow human beings. They have love and respect for all mankind. What my sons don't have---is the MENTALITY that "erasing" their blackness or campaigning for solidarity with NON-Blacks is an IMPROVEMENT, Advancement or PROGRESS. Like me & their father, my boys see it the opposite. We're not "niggers." But we fully recognize that the majority ARE. AND WE ARE NOT ALONE. There is a growing number of Non-Racist BLACK FAMILIES--including Light Skinned Blacks!!---who are seeking out others who think/feel the same way that they do. Perhaps once NEW YORK is hit as hard as California, you will begin to see a similar response there. OUT HERE---the "Immigrant Africans" (Ethiopian, Senegalese, Ghanian majority) are especially building an "Underground" resistance. Black Americans, including Lightskinned Folks, have joined with us. We don't HATE any human being---but we deserve to EXIST "As Ourselves." There is a huge difference between CO-Existing and becoming EXCTINCT." Cynique comments: "I was moving right along with your declaration, Kola, until I stumbled when you announced that light-skinned people were embracing your cause, something which seemed to please you enormously. Why? Because you need their validation? And just why are yellow people rallying to preserve a skin color other than their own? Do you not see the contradictions here? Could it be that these yellow folks are maladjusted malcontents? And just why have all of these immigrants from the African continent left their homelands to come to American only to end up establishing these benignly racist underground preservation cults. Why come to a country that is diversified if you want to be exclusive. Because you are maladjusted malcontents? Allow me to share my thoughts with you, Kola. The problem I find with your crusade all has to do with the color "brown", a hue which you try to pass off as black. But brown is not black; it is a color with many shades and which, when it comes to skin, is a variable tone which characterizes many people who, like you, are quick to refer to themselves as "chocolate" and "coppery" and "cinnamon" and "mocha" and "bronze" and "tan" and "toast" and “sepia” even "gold" and - well, everything but "licorice"! I'm sure you will insist that blackness is a state of mind, but that won't do. You have to be black to preserve black. There is nothing unique about brown skin. It is found in many races and cultures, and its origin has many histories. Your preserving it a meaningless endeavor. Unless there is a uniformity of skin color in your crusade, your cult is nothing more than a patchwork quilt of hybrids with no common culture, - certain among who are extolling a color that is not their own because they do not have the ebony skin tone which distinguishes them from other races. "Non white is the issue", you will retort. But three-forths of the world is "non-white". Big deal. Your endeavor is a sincere gesture but it lacks authenticity. You are of course free to dream your dreams and, of course, chief among your dreams is the belief that you superior to others. Not." Color is a superficial trait that enables divisiveness. The blend of harmony portends a better tomorrow. | ||
| Thumper Veteran Poster Username: Thumper Post Number: 895 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Hello, What I'm about to say may be off the subject, but could the discussion be based on falsehoods that are so deeply ingrained in American society that we, literally, can not tell our asses from a hole in a ground? I just started reading Equiano, the African by Vincent Carretta. The biography is about Olaudah Equiano. I just came across a line that I had not read before, "The traditional definition of RACE as BLOODLINE was increasingly replaced by the notion of RACE as SPECIES that become dominant in the nineteenth century. This "modern" concept of race, which was secondary during the early colonial American period, become primary." Now, if race is really about bloodlines and not what white folks back in the day defined it as justification for slavery, then where does this leave discussion? | ||
| Abm "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Abm Post Number: 10498 Registered: 04-2004 Rating: N/A |
Thumper, I am not a biologist. So I can imagine the issue is much more complex than I would appear to present here. But does not the fact that an average, healthy INTERracial male-female couple can reproduce as EASILY as an average healthy INTRAracial male-female couple effectively DEFIES any notion of Blacks, Whites and Others being of different SPECIES? | ||
| Thumper Veteran Poster Username: Thumper Post Number: 896 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Hello, ABM: It seems that way to me! I would have thought we had moved beyond that point ever since human organ transplants, as well as skin, blood and the like. Where compatiblity is based on blood types and such and not the complexion or shades of brown of a person's skin. My point: why base an argument or perspective on a lie. If the discussion is involving race, shouln't be on race as defined by bloodlines rather than the other? And if we do use race based on bloodlines then the only thing I will object to is man mating with a goat or such things. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 14525 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
All races stem from 3 different stocks: Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Negroid. People who fall under these respective categories do have different physical characteristics and each group is more predisposed to certain afflictions than the other but there is no difference in their blood types. O, A, B, and AB are how all human blood is categorized. And, of course, all these species have common markers which identify their DNA as human. Skin color is a secondary trait and it is - incidental... | ||
| Thumper Veteran Poster Username: Thumper Post Number: 897 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Hello All, Cynique: I was taught in school about the 3 different stocks being the same as what you listed. However, I have read some old books on race in America in which the Mongoloid classification did not exist. The texts stated that there were only 2 stocks: Caucasoid and Negroid, thats right all of the Asians and Hispanics were Negroes as well. Which is one of the stems America used coming up with the term "colored" and not just "black", because "colored" covered all of the non-white so that non just black folks, but Asian and Hispanics all was lumped under that one banner. So by right, when the census gets started and we can elect to use the Negro term. | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 14527 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Some people theorize that all the races are mutations of the original black one. Who knows???? If it's all about blood lines, then - whatever. Break it down for us, Kola. What's color got to do with it???? | ||
| Nels AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 1341 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Cyn-- "But brown is not black; it is a color with many shades and which, when it comes to skin, is a variable tone which characterizes many people who, like you, are quick to refer to themselves as "chocolate" and "coppery" and "cinnamon" and "mocha" and "bronze" and "tan" and "toast" and “sepia” even "gold" and - well, everything but "licorice"!" For us cashew to light/almost-white complexioned people, that's a mouthful. p.s., I think you forgot "caramel", and at least you didn't list "doo-doo brown". Whew! | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 14528 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Well, since Kola didn't step up, I'll offer some input and beg the indulgence of anyone who cares to wade through this. As usual, the discussion went off on tangents. Bloodline and species were introduced into the subject, clouding the picture somewhat so I'll begin at the beginning... As we all know, Mankind a/k/a Homo Sapiens is of the human species. Humans are all mammals; warm-blooded carnivores with peripheral vision who lack excessive body hair, who walk upright on 2 legs, and who possess an opposing thumb and forefinger which allow them to pick up objects/tools. The females of this species, as opposed to laying eggs, give birth to live infants which they nurse from their breasts. We further know, that creatures of the mammal species do have varied physical differences. Just like how tigers and lions and cheetahs all look different but are all felines, and how lizards and snakes and alligators all look different but are all reptiles. Having established that, what I can't figure out is where bloodlines figure in the picture and how they trump race. Thumper says his "old" book acknowledges only 2 stocks: Caucasoid and Negroid and that all non whites fall under the Negroid heading. "Negroid", however, is word that means "black" so this may have a bearing on why other "scientists" later designated the Monogloid classification to identify types who had yellow or brown skin. Along these lines, I have no problem accepting the contention of some that the Mongoloid and Caucasoid stocks were mutations of the original Negroid one. But recently, however, others dispute this saying the racial stocks had different origins... I'm guessing as, Thumper alludes to when citing information from the book he is reading, that Caucasians while establishing their claims of superiority which were reinforced by their wresting power and gaining control, also decided that they could justify repressing and dominating others because their blood lines were better and they wanted them kept distinct(?) But I still don't get how the blood-line thing is implemented. Especially since blood does not identify what race a person is. Other factors like hair-texture, skeletal proportions, teeth structure and - finally, skin color are what distinguish one racial type from another. This leads us back to square one: color and all of its ramifications. Kola fears that blackness will be bleached out by race-mixing. I reminded her that white is no more powerful than black so when the 2 or mixed, as we all know, the result is not a white person. Black and white dilute each other. If 2 mixed people have a child, that child is still mixed. DNA is constant. Furthermore, having melanin in your skin is just one way to identify black people. That old litmus test of hair type is a powerful manifestation of blackness, as are facial features and body physique. So, if race-mixing becomes prevelant, will the race which eventually evolves be white? To believe this we would have to concede that blackness is a recessive color, that it is not as dominant as white. Is this a legitimate conclusion???? I don't know. These are just my thoughts - the musings of an old lady who is the captive of a frigid January, resigned to hibernating in the confines of cabin fever. I consulted no books or studies or statistics in my postulating. I just drew from what I remember learning in high school biology and college anthropology and later just reading about in books. I'm sure certain classifications have been revised and I am very open to being enlightened. I also like to think of myself as being an embodiment of how light skin color does not erase your black soul. My people vex me, but I have NEVER wanted to be white. | ||
| Nafisa_goma Veteran Poster Username: Nafisa_goma Post Number: 386 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Cynique, when you started this "new post", continuing from a previous Thread, you left out a very strong statement that you made: QUOTE CYNIQUE: What I cant understand, is your insistence that white will wipe out black. Mixing doesn't turn people white, it turns them a beauuuuutiful golden brown. What golden people will produce is a race of golden people, unique in their heritage and free of all of the woes that accompany the strata of color. __________________ Hypocrite Much? That "vision" as written by you confirms what Kola believes is the END GOAL of most Black Americans. It confirms that you are not really Black (being what U call a "Redbone")--otherwise, you couldn't sit up and dream about an entire race of people being wiped out--and replaced by some mixed Golden Race. _____________________ GLARING FACT "Light or Mixed people do not stop at 'golden.'" Tiger Woods, biracial begat White Children Halle Berry, biracial begat White Daughter Michael Jackson, bleached ENGINEERED fully White Children The Jackson Family (Darkskinned Black family) has produced 22 grandchildren---and only 3 look like Black people. In Kola's words: "That's hate, not love." I agree with her. It also coincides with quite a lot of evidence that Kola is right. The overall "subconscious" goal of Black American people is to achieve skin & hair as European as possible. | ||
| Nafisa_goma Veteran Poster Username: Nafisa_goma Post Number: 387 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Name me ONE WHITE American family that has produced 22 Black/Mixed Grandchildren via marriage and sex. Name ONE. | ||
| Nafisa_goma Veteran Poster Username: Nafisa_goma Post Number: 388 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
Kola Boof is not against "interracial relationships"---she's ENJOYED quite a few. What Kola is against is what she calls --"an epidemic of self hate." According to the US Census: . . . 97% of White Americans marry WHITE 96% of Latino Americans marry Latino 97% of ASIAN AMERICANS marry Asian These people must have the same Brain Disorder that Kola has, right Cynique?? _____________________________________________ **Blacks "Co-habitate" 60% more than actually Marry, so I will post those stats. 89% of Black Males who "MARRY" marry BLACK. (But this is a small number of men) 48% of ALL Black Males co-habitate or Marry Non-Black Females 42% of Black Females born after 1980 will NEVER be married. 2.8% of Black Females who "MARRY"---marry WHITE or OTHER race. 12% of Black Females who Co-habitate do so with Non-Black Males. (*This number has grown by more than 300% since 1998) 54% of Biracial Females MARRY WHITE or OTHER. 34% of Biracial Males MARRY WHITE or OTHER. 70% of Black Children are raised in SINGLE MOTHER homes. (*Largest number in WORLD HISTORY) SO YEAH---it's just perfectly normal that all the OTHER RACES love and procreate themselves---and ONLY the Black Race/Group/is breaking its legs to eradicate itself. {Yes, people certainly do have choices, but it's QUITE CLEAR that the "Blacks" are inferior to the other groups---otherwise they wouldn't be trying so hard to make themselves over in the image of the other groups. How any "Intelligent" person can DENY THIS or pretend that it doesn't matter in a historical context---or say that it's just "OK" for Black Americans to breed themselves off the planet is beyond MORAL comprehension. I don't believe that Martin Luther King's "DREAM" was that someday Black People just wouldn't exist, or that their numbers would be so paltry that they'd be at the mercy of every other group in America. Just 20 years ago...Black Americans were the #2 largest group in the USA. Now, every 10 years, their numbers decrease AND they look less and less like the people they decended from. For many of you, that is cause for celebration, but Kola finds it "embarrassing" and "tragic.")} . | ||
| Nafisa_goma Veteran Poster Username: Nafisa_goma Post Number: 389 Registered: 01-2006 Rating: N/A |
NOTE FROM KOLA: TO ALL, I couldn't care less about "biology" or who has what bloodlines, etc. MY STANDARD---is that "Black People" exist in the way that we have always existed. Some variation of "Dark skin" with African hair(meaning nappy) and some configuration of African facial features be they Nilotic, Negroid, Bantu, Ethnic Afwerki, Pygmy,etc. ---is to my satisfaction, BLACK. You all walk the same path. Fine. But don't expect me to give a •••• about your "EXCUSES" and "ruminations" about why Black People are the only group of people who can't Honor, Procreate or VALUE themselves. For me, the word that sums it up is "niggerstock." To me, that's what most of our people --GLOBALLY--really are. Now continue with your DENIAL and your delusions. But to me, if our race prefers NOT to give birth to its own image--then we aint shit period. A bunch of Brown-N-Serve Mulattos (later to make fully White Babies) doesn't impress me 1 iota, Cynique. Your RedBone asses are like "Symbols" of White Supremacy. You sat up and wrote your "dream" of a Golden Mixed World and then claim that you're a "Black" woman----no, you're a Plantation Figment, created by White Men to confirm for Black Children that they aren't good enough and need "good hair" and light skin. YOU....have at it. But Kola gone stay Black. And so will her minions. I KNOW how to "make generations." KOLA BOOF | ||
| Cynique "Cyniquian" Level Poster Username: Cynique Post Number: 14529 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Yawnnnnnnnnnnnn. I asked for facts. I got hysterical Bull S h i t. Same ol same ol. On a collision course with self-destruction, Kola continues to think that wishing will make it so. She claims not to harbor hostility against others but her true self emerges if her credibity is challenged. Her angry name-calling and explosive indignation is an indication of her aversion to reality. She is also in denial over how her and her color are just as tainted and illegitimate as she accuses others of being. She hates "red-bones" but craves their approval, and will even declare them "black" if they kiss her azz. Puleeze. This maladjusted malcontent who suffers from delusions of grandeur and multi-personality disorder, is obviously unbalanced.  Hopefully this will be my final confrontation with Kola Boof as this board winds down. "So long" to whomever is left. It's been real. See ya in the funnypapers!  | ||
| Nels AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Nels Post Number: 1342 Registered: 07-2005 Rating: N/A |
Nafisa -- "Now, every 10 years, their numbers decrease AND they look less and less like the people they decended from" It would seem that this would only apply to those who have no other ancestry but sub-Sarahan black ancestry. I.e., not mixed. | ||
| Libralind2 AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Libralind2 Post Number: 1275 Registered: 09-2004 Rating: N/A |
Ya'll need to watch this movie I saw called SKIN. A dark-skinned girl born to white South African parents attempts to explore her identity in the era of apartheid as her government, her parents, and society as a whole struggle with what it means to be a black child of Caucasian descent in a nation deeply divided by race. The year is 1955. Sandra Laing (Sophie Okonedo) has just been born to a pair of white Afrikaner parents, her brown skin and curly hair the surprising result of genetic throwback. As the government's rigid apartheid system struggles with whether to classify Sandra as white or black, the young girl and her parents gradually realize that the complications they face due to her appearance run deep and wide. Sandra lives in a society where the color of your skin determines the outcome of your life, and though she is eventually granted admission to an all-white school, she suffers endless torment from her intolerant classmates. Her father, Abraham (Sam Neill), is having a particularly difficult time accepting his daughter. Despite the fact that tests indicate he is her biological father, the neighbors constantly whisper behind their backs. And while Sandra's mother (Alice Krige) does her best to provide her daughter with understanding and emotional support, those consolations come at a high price for both mother and daughter. Her parents believe it's their daughter's birthright that she live as a white woman, though only after she grows up and falls in love with a black man will the conflicted Sandra finally find the strength to embrace her true identity as an African woman. - Jason Buchanan, All Movie Guide | ||
| Troy AALBC .com Platinum Poster Username: Troy Post Number: 2095 Registered: 01-2004 Rating: N/A |
Yeah is does sound like a fascinating flick: http://aalbc.com/reviews/skin.htm See you on the new board Libralind2. This one will be locked down Sunday night. |
